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Speaker 1 (00:08):
The Bucks and the Lakers are two teams that are
on the precipice of elevenation. The Rockets in that same
boat as well. The heat loss the memphisis of They're out.
And the big news right now is around the Milwaukee
Bucks as to what they may do when they lose
to Indiana one more time, and I think Indiana will
win one of the next three games and the Bucks
(00:30):
season will come to a close. The first conversation that
takes place is owner GM and Doc Rivers, and I
just don't see that the Bucks are going to part
ways with Doc Rivers unless he wants to leave. Based
on what I would do if I were ownership and
management of the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Should have never been hired in the first place.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well, the person I wanted is sitting next to him
and they didn't hire him.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, we should have hired Joe Brunty.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, but even then, Adrian Griffin shouldn't have been fired.
Correct was that he had the second best record in
the East at the time of being fired.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He shouldn't have been fired.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And if Janni's had a problem, let's set the two
of you in a room and let's figure out what
the problem is. And correct it, and let's be flexible,
and let's meet in the middle, and let's have a
good season. There's no reason why that should shouldn't have happened.
But I don't think the problems are based on whether
Doc or or anybody else's coaching the team. The team
has gotten old very quickly, and they traded Middleton because
(01:28):
of whatever reason, injuries, whatever old. I thought Middleton was
a good player for them for a long time. They
won a championship a couple of years ago, So get
Yannis got you a championship. But I would my second meeting,
after I tell as the owner, after I tell the
GM and the coach, you know, here's what our plans are.
Do you want to be a part of them or not.
(01:50):
The second thing I go is I have a meeting
with Jannis, and I say, we need to rebuild this team.
We're not going to win a championship in the next
three years. He has two more years left on his
contract plus a player option. Well it's two plus the
player yea, yeah plus, and he's going to opt in
because the third year is like sixty something million dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So he's not saying no to that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No matter where he's at UH and so you have
to make the trade. I think you have to trade
on us and you and you tell you on us.
Please don't tell people that you want to leave. Do
us a solid favor and say, you know, I really
want to stay here.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
This is my home.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I raised my family here, knowing full well, because if
you say I want to leave, then that diminishes what
the Bucks can get for you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And if Rudy Gobert can.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Get what he got nine total picks, and was it
Michale Bridges got a bunch of picks too, I think
that you're like, I think five five picks five if
those players can get picks, all right, we're gonna your
Whoever I trade you to is going to give me
a lot of your future draft capital because I'm going
(03:01):
to trade you to a team that can win immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Brian Wright at the Spurs and Mitch Johnson and the
entire team may disagree with me on this, but I
don't think that trading Giannis for Keldon Johnson and Devin
Vessel is an automatic We're gonna win a championship team.
I don't know how Yannis and Wimby share the same
basketball along with deeron Fox. Now maybe they do, and
(03:26):
if the Spurs want to make that trade, they know
more about how they're going to play those guys than
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But the one thing I like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
About the future of the Spurs is they really have
a ten or eleven man rotation. And if you're looking
at a potential roster next year with the Spurs of
Deer and Fox and vasel And and Castle, whoever your
draft pick is, and Wimby, and then you throw in
(03:55):
Harris and Barnes hopefully coming back, Chris Paul coming back.
You have Champinnie is a three point shooter. I think
you need to another three point shooter. Maybe you get
that someplace to bolster the team. You have to make
a decision offentially on whether so Ann is going to
be a part of the future of this team or not.
I like that the fact that you can go eleven
(04:15):
deep on your roster, which prolongs your star players throughout
the regular season. Once the playoffs come around, eleven and
sometimes ten go to the bench and you're basically in
a nine man rotation. But for the entire year, you've
got eleven solid players that can help you win games.
If their Brass thinks that getting Yannis because the Spurs
(04:38):
do have one thing. They have a ton of draft capital,
and there's no way they're going to use all of
those draft picks, So they could trade four or five
picks plus the Vassell and Johnson. And the only reason
I bring up Vssell and Johnson is because it's the
only way the salaries match. There's no other way that
you can do this unless you trade the rest of
the team. Plus you're getting ready to give deer and
(05:00):
Fox his supermax at two hundred and thirty million for
four or five years, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's and I would rather have the Selle and kJ here.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's just me and my observation of this team. But
are those two players worth Yannis? And does seawnnice with
Fox and wimby equal?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Western Conference finals are better?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So that's the evaluation that people that make way more
money than we do get to make a decision on.
But it's really really hard to trade a player who
makes fifty million dollars because if you I looked at Miami,
you would have to give up out of Bayou r hero. Well,
that doesn't help Miami by getting rid of one of
those players to get And that's the same thing with
(05:47):
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
If you trade Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
To a team, you've got to get fifty million dollars
in compensation back the other.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Way to balance out the salary cap.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
If you trade him to Dallas, you're going to have
to get rid of Kyrie Irving, who's insured in we
don't know when he's going to play again. Or you're
going to have to get rid of Anthony Davis, which
negates having a rebounder and a defensive presence if you
trade him to If you trade him to Houston, you're
going to have to you don't have any young players.
Fred van Fleet's the only guy on your team that
really makes any money. Everybody else is under twenty million.
(06:18):
It's really hard to move a player to a team
that's going to be competitive. If you trade him to
the Lakers, you're going to have to get rid of
big contracts, and they don't have any big contracts except
for Luca and Lebron. If you trade him to Golden State,
you got Curry and Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They make all the money on that team.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The rest of the guy's combined are going to be
hard to get you to fifty million, So it's going
to take some really creative things with the salary cap
in order to actually move Yannis and to move him
to a team that not only has a chance to
win a championship, but has the draft capital that the
Bucks need. The Bucks are over the cap, they can
get under the cap in a hurry by trading Yannis,
(06:58):
and if I were them, I would see if I
could find somebody that would take a chance on Lillard
for the future. Nobody's probably going to trade for Lillard
because of the Achilles injury and not knowing when he's
gonna play, if and when he's gonna play, and maybe
not at all until at least the All Star Break
next year, so that's kind of a stretch. But Lillard's
in the fifty million dollar range as well, and he's
(07:20):
going to make over sixty million dollars by the time
his contract is up, so that's really difficult. It's really
hard to move those two players. But the only way
the Bucks can be competitive three, four, five, six years
from now is to do that. And if Jannis just
wants to be part of bad teams for the next
three or four years. Okay, then we'll keep you here
and we'll figure out a way. But I don't want
(07:40):
you to play three years here and then opt out
and go someplace else and I get nothing for you,
because then I'm even in a bigger situation. And the
path back to being great takes a while. If you
go back to the seventies, when the Bucks traded Kareem
abdul Chabbard to the Lakers, they got junior Bridgeman, Brian Winners,
and a ton of draft picks. And the Bucks will
really really good with Don Nelson coaching them. From about
(08:03):
nineteen seventy five to about nineteen eighty five, they didn't
beat Philadelphia or Boston. That's was always, you know, the
team that they couldn't beat. But they were competitive. Their
games were good. They played in the Mecca in Milwaukee
and it was sold out for every game, and they
were a competitive team. And the Bucks can get healthy
quickly if they can move off of Giannis, which is
easier said than done.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, it's it's it's definitely gonna take a lot of pieces.
I mean, if you're Milwaukee, you have to figure out
if you want to keep Giannis. Okay, well, then we
clearly have to move off with Damian Lillard. We have
to blow this up. We have to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But who's going to take Lillard with an achilles injury
at thirty whatever years old and exactly and two more
years on a deal that's going to pay him sit
fifty five and sixty two million?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, exactly. So that's where I lean more towards what
you're saying. Is you tell Jannis, hey, do you want
to stick around? Do you want to try to give
this a new go. We'll try to, you know, maybe
work a couple of deals, try to add some players,
or do you want to try to go somewhere else?
And if he says, hey, I want to try to
(09:10):
go somewhere else, I you know, I will.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Give you the benefit of I'll try to get you
to a team that matters. I'm not shipping you to Washington,
r Charlotte or New Orleans. But I'll send you someplace
that's got a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well, do the whole We we mutually agreed to part
ways to a certain.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Ext But you make sure that Giannis doesn't put on
Twitter or have his agent put on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I want out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, that's what Milwaukee doesn't want because then the draft
capital that you need to get him becomes substantially less.
You still have to match the money, but now instead
of giving you five picks, I'm only going to give
you two.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And I need picks. And the Bucks need.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
To restock with good players in good scouting, and and
that's gonna that's the way they're going to have to
do that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is the unfortunate part that right now the Spurs
don't have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But they usually are in a good.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Good precedent of not worrying about this because this is
the issue. You have Jannis and Dame, two players this
coming season that are going to be totally one hundred
and eight million dollars of the cap. That's the biggest
issue is if you have situations like this now, how
(10:23):
else are you going to try to build the roster?
Like you mentioned, Yeah, Kyle Kuzma, when he decides to play,
he's a decent player, but he's not going to put
you over the top. The thing that the Spurs deal
with right now that is there they are in the
good boat of they are not shelling out yet the
humongous contracts and maybe down the road when Wemby gets paid.
(10:47):
You know, we we have heartedly joke about it, but
at some point there's going to be a player in
the NBA that is making ninety five one hundred million
dollars a season, which is just gonna be it's not
too far away.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's not too far away, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We'll tell you more about this and the All Star Game,
what it's going to look like next year that's coming
up next.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's five point thirty one on the tickets.
The Bucks and the Lakers are two teams that are
on the precipice of elevenation. The Rockets in that same
boat as well. The heat loss the memphisis of They're out.
And the big news right now is around the Milwaukee
Bucks as to what they may do when they lose
to Indiana one more time, and I think Indiana will
win one of the next three games and the Bucks
(00:30):
season will come to a close. The first conversation that
takes place is owner GM and Doc Rivers, and I
just don't see that the Bucks are going to part
ways with Doc Rivers unless he wants to leave. Based
on what I would do if I were ownership and
management of the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Should have never been hired in the first place.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well, the person I wanted is sitting next to him
and they didn't hire him.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, we should have hired Joe Brunty.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, but even then, Adrian Griffin shouldn't have been fired.
Correct was that he had the second best record in
the East at the time of being fired.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He shouldn't have been fired.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And if Janni's had a problem, let's set the two
of you in a room and let's figure out what
the problem is. And correct it, and let's be flexible,
and let's meet in the middle, and let's have a
good season. There's no reason why that should shouldn't have happened.
But I don't think the problems are based on whether
Doc or or anybody else's coaching the team. The team
has gotten old very quickly, and they traded Middleton because
(01:28):
of whatever reason, injuries, whatever old. I thought Middleton was
a good player for them for a long time. They
won a championship a couple of years ago, So get
Yannis got you a championship. But I would my second meeting,
after I tell as the owner, after I tell the
GM and the coach, you know, here's what our plans are.
Do you want to be a part of them or not.
(01:50):
The second thing I go is I have a meeting
with Jannis, and I say, we need to rebuild this team.
We're not going to win a championship in the next
three years. He has two more years left on his
contract plus a player option. Well it's two plus the
player yea, yeah plus, and he's going to opt in
because the third year is like sixty something million dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So he's not saying no to that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
No matter where he's at UH and so you have
to make the trade. I think you have to trade
on us and you and you tell you on us.
Please don't tell people that you want to leave. Do
us a solid favor and say, you know, I really
want to stay here.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
This is my home.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I raised my family here, knowing full well, because if
you say I want to leave, then that diminishes what
the Bucks can get for you.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And if Rudy Gobert can.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Get what he got nine total picks, and was it
Michale Bridges got a bunch of picks too, I think
that you're like, I think five five picks five if
those players can get picks, all right, we're gonna your
Whoever I trade you to is going to give me
a lot of your future draft capital because I'm going
(03:01):
to trade you to a team that can win immediately.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Brian Wright at the Spurs and Mitch Johnson and the
entire team may disagree with me on this, but I
don't think that trading Giannis for Keldon Johnson and Devin
Vessel is an automatic We're gonna win a championship team.
I don't know how Yannis and Wimby share the same
basketball along with deeron Fox. Now maybe they do, and
(03:26):
if the Spurs want to make that trade, they know
more about how they're going to play those guys than
I do.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
But the one thing I like.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
About the future of the Spurs is they really have
a ten or eleven man rotation. And if you're looking
at a potential roster next year with the Spurs of
Deer and Fox and vasel And and Castle, whoever your
draft pick is, and Wimby, and then you throw in
(03:55):
Harris and Barnes hopefully coming back, Chris Paul coming back.
You have Champinnie is a three point shooter. I think
you need to another three point shooter. Maybe you get
that someplace to bolster the team. You have to make
a decision offentially on whether so Ann is going to
be a part of the future of this team or not.
I like that the fact that you can go eleven
(04:15):
deep on your roster, which prolongs your star players throughout
the regular season. Once the playoffs come around, eleven and
sometimes ten go to the bench and you're basically in
a nine man rotation. But for the entire year, you've
got eleven solid players that can help you win games.
If their Brass thinks that getting Yannis because the Spurs
(04:38):
do have one thing. They have a ton of draft capital,
and there's no way they're going to use all of
those draft picks, So they could trade four or five
picks plus the Vassell and Johnson. And the only reason
I bring up Vssell and Johnson is because it's the
only way the salaries match. There's no other way that
you can do this unless you trade the rest of
the team. Plus you're getting ready to give deer and
(05:00):
Fox his supermax at two hundred and thirty million for
four or five years, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's and I would rather have the Selle and kJ here.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That's just me and my observation of this team. But
are those two players worth Yannis? And does seawnnice with
Fox and wimby equal?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Western Conference finals are better?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So that's the evaluation that people that make way more
money than we do get to make a decision on.
But it's really really hard to trade a player who
makes fifty million dollars because if you I looked at Miami,
you would have to give up out of Bayou r hero. Well,
that doesn't help Miami by getting rid of one of
those players to get And that's the same thing with
(05:47):
Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
If you trade Kevin Durant.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
To a team, you've got to get fifty million dollars
in compensation back the other.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Way to balance out the salary cap.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
If you trade him to Dallas, you're going to have
to get rid of Kyrie Irving, who's insured in we
don't know when he's going to play again. Or you're
going to have to get rid of Anthony Davis, which
negates having a rebounder and a defensive presence if you
trade him to If you trade him to Houston, you're
going to have to you don't have any young players.
Fred van Fleet's the only guy on your team that
really makes any money. Everybody else is under twenty million.
(06:18):
It's really hard to move a player to a team
that's going to be competitive. If you trade him to
the Lakers, you're going to have to get rid of
big contracts, and they don't have any big contracts except
for Luca and Lebron. If you trade him to Golden State,
you got Curry and Draymond Green and Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
They make all the money on that team.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The rest of the guy's combined are going to be
hard to get you to fifty million, So it's going
to take some really creative things with the salary cap
in order to actually move Yannis and to move him
to a team that not only has a chance to
win a championship, but has the draft capital that the
Bucks need. The Bucks are over the cap, they can
get under the cap in a hurry by trading Yannis,
(06:58):
and if I were them, I would see if I
could find somebody that would take a chance on Lillard
for the future. Nobody's probably going to trade for Lillard
because of the Achilles injury and not knowing when he's
gonna play, if and when he's gonna play, and maybe
not at all until at least the All Star Break
next year, so that's kind of a stretch. But Lillard's
in the fifty million dollar range as well, and he's
(07:20):
going to make over sixty million dollars by the time
his contract is up, so that's really difficult. It's really
hard to move those two players. But the only way
the Bucks can be competitive three, four, five, six years
from now is to do that. And if Jannis just
wants to be part of bad teams for the next
three or four years. Okay, then we'll keep you here
and we'll figure out a way. But I don't want
(07:40):
you to play three years here and then opt out
and go someplace else and I get nothing for you,
because then I'm even in a bigger situation. And the
path back to being great takes a while. If you
go back to the seventies, when the Bucks traded Kareem
abdul Chabbard to the Lakers, they got junior Bridgeman, Brian Winners,
and a ton of draft picks. And the Bucks will
really really good with Don Nelson coaching them. From about
(08:03):
nineteen seventy five to about nineteen eighty five, they didn't
beat Philadelphia or Boston. That's was always, you know, the
team that they couldn't beat. But they were competitive. Their
games were good. They played in the Mecca in Milwaukee
and it was sold out for every game, and they
were a competitive team. And the Bucks can get healthy
quickly if they can move off of Giannis, which is
easier said than done.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, it's it's it's definitely gonna take a lot of pieces.
I mean, if you're Milwaukee, you have to figure out
if you want to keep Giannis. Okay, well, then we
clearly have to move off with Damian Lillard. We have
to blow this up. We have to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But who's going to take Lillard with an achilles injury
at thirty whatever years old and exactly and two more
years on a deal that's going to pay him sit
fifty five and sixty two million?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah, exactly. So that's where I lean more towards what
you're saying. Is you tell Jannis, hey, do you want
to stick around? Do you want to try to give
this a new go. We'll try to, you know, maybe
work a couple of deals, try to add some players,
or do you want to try to go somewhere else?
And if he says, hey, I want to try to
(09:10):
go somewhere else, I you know, I will.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Give you the benefit of I'll try to get you
to a team that matters. I'm not shipping you to Washington,
r Charlotte or New Orleans. But I'll send you someplace
that's got a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Well, do the whole We we mutually agreed to part
ways to a certain.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Ext But you make sure that Giannis doesn't put on
Twitter or have his agent put on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
I want out.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, that's what Milwaukee doesn't want because then the draft
capital that you need to get him becomes substantially less.
You still have to match the money, but now instead
of giving you five picks, I'm only going to give
you two.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
And I need picks. And the Bucks need.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
To restock with good players in good scouting, and and
that's gonna that's the way they're going to have to
do that.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This is the unfortunate part that right now the Spurs
don't have to deal with.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
But they usually are in a good.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Good precedent of not worrying about this because this is
the issue. You have Jannis and Dame, two players this
coming season that are going to be totally one hundred
and eight million dollars of the cap. That's the biggest
issue is if you have situations like this now, how
(10:23):
else are you going to try to build the roster?
Like you mentioned, Yeah, Kyle Kuzma, when he decides to play,
he's a decent player, but he's not going to put
you over the top. The thing that the Spurs deal
with right now that is there they are in the
good boat of they are not shelling out yet the
humongous contracts and maybe down the road when Wemby gets paid.
(10:47):
You know, we we have heartedly joke about it, but
at some point there's going to be a player in
the NBA that is making ninety five one hundred million
dollars a season, which is just gonna be it's not
too far away.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
It's not too far away, all right.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We'll tell you more about this and the All Star Game,
what it's going to look like next year that's coming
up next.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's five point thirty one on the tickets.
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