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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Trash talking in the NBA has been going on since
the NBA begin I think it's a ritual thing. Michael
and I were talking during the break about when Tim
was in the NBA, guys like Garnett and Paul Pierce
and Shaq and all those guys always talked about how
they could not get under Tim duck and skin and
(00:24):
he would just look at him with this blank stare,
like really, and then go dunk on him, or he
would say things like hey, you're too slow, or nice shot,
or you know, better luck next time, something like that,
and they would end up being more upset with him
than they were getting to him. But Luka Dacic has
been a trash talker since he got in the league
to other players, obviously, to referees, and to a lot
(00:48):
of fans. And I don't have a problem with that
as long as it doesn't lead to a fight, and
sometimes it does, and there's a fine line that you
have a walk. But I think that anytime that you play,
you know, you with your friends in a pickup game
and you duck on them or you school on them,
(01:09):
you score on them, or something like that, you're gonna
let him know that, hey, I got to you that time.
Uh Luca has has always played emotionally. He is a
member and probably a charter member of the I've never
committed a foul in my life club, and so he
chirps at referees the whole game, and most of the
referees have gotten used to it, and they ignore him
(01:30):
until he crosses the line and then they tee him up,
which happened early in the game yesterday. And a lot
of times players will take intentional technical fouls because.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They want to set the tone.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And typically if you get called for a cheap foul
early on in the game and you complain about it,
they probably will be a little bit. They'll probably think
of to themselves, well, should I have called that foul
or should I have not called that foul? And then
they may not they may give you a makeup call
later in the game, and that's the I think that's
one of the things that the players are looking at.
(02:02):
Coaches get technical fouls on purpose a lot of times
to wake up their own team their sleep walking through
the game. They're not doing the right things offensively or defensively,
and so they start yelling at the rest and they
get teed up. Sometimes they get teed up twice and
get sent into the locker rooms because they don't want
to be there.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm met up my team tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They're not doing what I told him to do, so
I'll get kicked out and make a point. But last
night in the Thunder game against the Lakers, the Lakers
had a two point lead when Luka Dacic made a
basket and cursed at a fan, and referee jt Or
thought the curse was in his direction for not calling
(02:41):
an an one or whatever Luca was complaining about, and
so he tied him up a second time and sent
him to the showers. I agree with you that he
shouldn't have gotten the first tea, and if you get
the first tea, you probably need to keep your mouth
shut the rest of the game. But I also think
that officials need to pay attention to the moment. And
(03:01):
this was a close game and it was going back
and forth, and the fans in Oklahoma City, although I'm
sure they wanted to win, would have felt better about
the win if Luca have played the whole game and
nobody came to watch. You guys, officiate, you're there to
make sure people don't get in fights your people. You're
(03:21):
there to make sure the game is officiated correctly. But
in the final minutes of a game or final quarter
of a game, when the game is going back and
forth and it's got the makings of a classic regular
season game with playoff atmosphere, you don't kick out the
star players.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And you.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
May say, hey, I don't know whether that was for
me or a fan, but cut it out and then
if it happens again, then I can understand you doing it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But there's got to be you got to.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Know where you're at, and if you throw out somebody,
that doesn't matter, nobody cares. But when you throw out
the best player on the roster because that's the way
he's always played. Again, while by the letter of the law,
the official didn't do anything wrong, but also by the
fact that you're an entertainment industry trying to put on
(04:09):
a product for entertainment for people that are paying a
lot of money to watch play, I think you have
to be judicious when you get that second technical and
kick somebody out of a game.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, to completely disagree on that, I don't. I don't
care how much you're paying the rules or the rules
because The first one that happened was at the four
h two mark.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was a veteran crew.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The crew chief for last night's game was Tony Brothers,
and he was asked in the pool.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
In the pool report that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The first one that came at the four h two mark,
remaining in the third quarter, it was said that it
was direct he looked directly at an official and used
vulgar language.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
End quote.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Those are still human beings.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Just because you're he paid the first one, I think
as legit.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, so regardless, you have to know if you're Luca Danchets, hey,
I probably shouldn't make any type of gesture or anything
in that guy's direction.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I need, I need to know better. But he doesn't
because this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Is what Luca does as a second technical. He makes
the basket, he's running down the court, he turns his
head and talks to the fan, but within the sight
line of the official who assumed that the the issue
is with him. And I mean, I don't even know
what he said, but it's probably not FCC comply it
if he did say it, or whatever he did say.
(05:36):
But I think the officials have to understand that they're
they're that this is what if this was Game seven
of the finals.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, regardless, you know, just because.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The stars have always gotten star treatment, yes.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
But just because it's a star.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know, if he has one technical and then he
punches somebody, oh God forbid, we can't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Now, you know, if he punches somebody, you can throw
him out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
No, because you know that's Luca Doncis.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We can't get throw him out for a punch.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You can throw him out for excessive What did Tony
Brothers say about the second technical?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Uh, that that's why he rang up, ring him up
again because he used vulgar language.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Which go watch the NBA courtside for the rest of
your life and for the going a time machine for
every game that's ever been played. Players are using vulgar
language on the court.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
But he was using vulgar language directed at him.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But a thought thought that's the key word. It wasn't
directed to him.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Regardless, It doesn't matter if he thought or not. He's
adhering to the letter, which he would.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
He assumed that jt Or is not going to lose
a playoff game because he didn't throw Luke out of
a game.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, exactly, he might.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
He might lose a playoff game because he did. But
because I think you got to be one thousand percent
sure that that comment is directed at you before you
you tee him up and kick him out of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, I know that referees take a lot of verbal punishment,
but regardless of if you because we saw Look, we
saw a mistake that happened earlier this year within the
Spurs game when they were playing the seventy six ers,
when veteran veteran referee Jennis Schroeder, I want to say,
(07:20):
she ejected Joel embiide I believe, and then she she
was like, hey, I blanked up my bad because she
thought he flopped or something or another. And they basically
rescinded that. But if you're gonna go say, hey, we're
gonna go to the monitor to review to.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Seat, no, I don't think we're going need to go
to monitor.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
The most egregious situation ever that San Antonio Spurs fans
complain about is when Joey Crawford kicked out Tim Duncan
for laughing at a joke that somebody's in on the bench,
and Joey assumed that he was laughing at him. Well,
Tim duncould never done that, and Joey was in a
bad mood, and it really tarnished Joey's legacy because he's
still one of the greatest officials in the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
History of the league.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He's just persona on God and San Antonio because how
dare you throw out Tim Duncan for laughing? And yeah,
Tim didn't say anything that was vulgar, But I think
you have to make sure that when Lucas says something
else during the game. I think Luke after he got
the first he was not going to say another word
to the officials, and the officials should know that he's
not And kind of think to yourself, was that intended
(08:25):
for me another message or was that at somebody else?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Or was he just blowing off steam?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But why should a referee have to sit here and think, oh,
I have to worry about what.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
This particular Maybe just let one go and then tee him.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Up the next time. Yeah, again, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Who it is.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The rules have always been different for stars. Michael Jordan's
got hover many points he has, and about half those
points he got because he traveled going to the basket. Yeah,
and everybody else would have been called for the play
that James Harden has mastered is called traveling in college,
in high school, in junior high in an aau.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
But it's James Harden.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So he can travel to get my room to step
back and shoot a three, And now every kid on
the planet thinks he should shoot it that way, and
every time they do it in an organized game, it's
a travel But James Harden gets away with it because
he's a star.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well again, Usually when tea's happen by by a player,
they will sit there and go at the referee, And
after the tea happens, the referee for the most part,
will sit there and listen to them and say.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Hey, you got teed up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to what your argument is,
and they're gonna give you a little bit of leeway.
But after a while they're gonna say, Okay, it's enough enough, yep, right.
Luca just doesn't do that. He doesn't do that. Unfortunately.
That's that's the biggest knock I have on him this year.
And he is actually with that. I don't think he'll
get there, but he's right thirteen, he's at fourteen. Yeah, yeah,
(09:55):
he probably won't even play the last go. Well, they're
jockey for a position, so he's got to play. If
he gets too more, he will be automatically suspended for
the next game, which could be a playoff, which.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Could be a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And I believe once they get into the playoffs, if
you have sixteen, it's every other tech it's suspension.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
If miss does it reset when you get to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Or not, I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I have to look that one, don't There is the
situation to work.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think if you get like three or four during
a playoff series, that's that's a suspension too.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Maybe like that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Here's one thing I'm hoping by June. I want there
are so many people out there, and I like all
these shows, so I'm not, you know, disseingrating the disintegrating
the shows. But Dan Patrick, Colin Cowhert, Doug Gottlieb, everybody
is saying, man, it's going to be the Lakers and
the Celtics in the in the in the NBA Finals,
(10:47):
And I am so hoping it's it's it's Cleveland and
Oklahoma City, just because I think people are underestimating those teams.
We're going to find out if they can play in
the playoffs, but I think we need new blood in there.
And Colin and those guys will say, well, we know
we need stars for ratings, we need stars cities for ratings. Well,
they got stars in Oklahoma City and they got stars
(11:09):
in Cleveland, and the New York and LA markets may
not care, but I think that would be a great
series because I think those are two good teams.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Okay, yeah, they do. In the postseason.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
It's players are given a one game suspension after receiving
the seventh total technical in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
If you're getting seventies.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
In, well, Luca could get there quickly if he was
in a bad mood, very well could all right. Steve
Kerr weighs in on the Malone firing, the Michael Malone firing,
and he does say some things that I think are
very true about today's owners. We'll talk about that next.
It's the Andy Everett Show on the Ticket
Trash talking in the NBA has been going on since
the NBA begin I think it's a ritual thing. Michael
and I were talking during the break about when Tim
was in the NBA, guys like Garnett and Paul Pierce
and Shaq and all those guys always talked about how
they could not get under Tim duck and skin and
(00:24):
he would just look at him with this blank stare,
like really, and then go dunk on him, or he
would say things like hey, you're too slow, or nice shot,
or you know, better luck next time, something like that,
and they would end up being more upset with him
than they were getting to him. But Luka Dacic has
been a trash talker since he got in the league
to other players, obviously, to referees, and to a lot
(00:48):
of fans. And I don't have a problem with that
as long as it doesn't lead to a fight, and
sometimes it does, and there's a fine line that you
have a walk. But I think that anytime that you play,
you know, you with your friends in a pickup game
and you duck on them or you school on them,
(01:09):
you score on them, or something like that, you're gonna
let him know that, hey, I got to you that time.
Uh Luca has has always played emotionally. He is a
member and probably a charter member of the I've never
committed a foul in my life club, and so he
chirps at referees the whole game, and most of the
referees have gotten used to it, and they ignore him
(01:30):
until he crosses the line and then they tee him up,
which happened early in the game yesterday. And a lot
of times players will take intentional technical fouls because.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They want to set the tone.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And typically if you get called for a cheap foul
early on in the game and you complain about it,
they probably will be a little bit. They'll probably think
of to themselves, well, should I have called that foul
or should I have not called that foul? And then
they may not they may give you a makeup call
later in the game, and that's the I think that's
one of the things that the players are looking at.
(02:02):
Coaches get technical fouls on purpose a lot of times
to wake up their own team their sleep walking through
the game. They're not doing the right things offensively or defensively,
and so they start yelling at the rest and they
get teed up. Sometimes they get teed up twice and
get sent into the locker rooms because they don't want
to be there.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm met up my team tonight.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
They're not doing what I told him to do, so
I'll get kicked out and make a point. But last
night in the Thunder game against the Lakers, the Lakers
had a two point lead when Luka Dacic made a
basket and cursed at a fan, and referee jt Or
thought the curse was in his direction for not calling
(02:41):
an an one or whatever Luca was complaining about, and
so he tied him up a second time and sent
him to the showers. I agree with you that he
shouldn't have gotten the first tea, and if you get
the first tea, you probably need to keep your mouth
shut the rest of the game. But I also think
that officials need to pay attention to the moment. And
(03:01):
this was a close game and it was going back
and forth, and the fans in Oklahoma City, although I'm
sure they wanted to win, would have felt better about
the win if Luca have played the whole game and
nobody came to watch. You guys, officiate, you're there to
make sure people don't get in fights your people. You're
(03:21):
there to make sure the game is officiated correctly. But
in the final minutes of a game or final quarter
of a game, when the game is going back and
forth and it's got the makings of a classic regular
season game with playoff atmosphere, you don't kick out the
star players.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And you.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
May say, hey, I don't know whether that was for
me or a fan, but cut it out and then
if it happens again, then I can understand you doing it.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But there's got to be you got to.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Know where you're at, and if you throw out somebody,
that doesn't matter, nobody cares. But when you throw out
the best player on the roster because that's the way
he's always played. Again, while by the letter of the law,
the official didn't do anything wrong, but also by the
fact that you're an entertainment industry trying to put on
(04:09):
a product for entertainment for people that are paying a
lot of money to watch play, I think you have
to be judicious when you get that second technical and
kick somebody out of a game.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well, to completely disagree on that, I don't. I don't
care how much you're paying the rules or the rules
because The first one that happened was at the four
h two mark.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was a veteran crew.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The crew chief for last night's game was Tony Brothers,
and he was asked in the pool.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
In the pool report that.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
The first one that came at the four h two mark,
remaining in the third quarter, it was said that it
was direct he looked directly at an official and used
vulgar language.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
End quote.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Those are still human beings.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Just because you're he paid the first one, I think
as legit.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Yeah, so regardless, you have to know if you're Luca Danchets, hey,
I probably shouldn't make any type of gesture or anything
in that guy's direction.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I need, I need to know better. But he doesn't
because this.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Is what Luca does as a second technical. He makes
the basket, he's running down the court, he turns his
head and talks to the fan, but within the sight
line of the official who assumed that the the issue
is with him. And I mean, I don't even know
what he said, but it's probably not FCC comply it
if he did say it, or whatever he did say.
(05:36):
But I think the officials have to understand that they're
they're that this is what if this was Game seven
of the finals.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Well, regardless, you know, just because.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
The stars have always gotten star treatment, yes.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
But just because it's a star.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You know, if he has one technical and then he
punches somebody, oh God forbid, we can't.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Now, you know, if he punches somebody, you can throw
him out.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
No, because you know that's Luca Doncis.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We can't get throw him out for a punch.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You can throw him out for excessive What did Tony
Brothers say about the second technical?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Uh, that that's why he rang up, ring him up
again because he used vulgar language.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Which go watch the NBA courtside for the rest of
your life and for the going a time machine for
every game that's ever been played. Players are using vulgar
language on the court.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
But he was using vulgar language directed at him.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But a thought thought that's the key word. It wasn't
directed to him.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Regardless, It doesn't matter if he thought or not. He's
adhering to the letter, which he would.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
He assumed that jt Or is not going to lose
a playoff game because he didn't throw Luke out of
a game.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, exactly, he might.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
He might lose a playoff game because he did. But
because I think you got to be one thousand percent
sure that that comment is directed at you before you
you tee him up and kick him out of the game.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Well, I know that referees take a lot of verbal punishment,
but regardless of if you because we saw Look, we
saw a mistake that happened earlier this year within the
Spurs game when they were playing the seventy six ers,
when veteran veteran referee Jennis Schroeder, I want to say,
(07:20):
she ejected Joel embiide I believe, and then she she
was like, hey, I blanked up my bad because she
thought he flopped or something or another. And they basically
rescinded that. But if you're gonna go say, hey, we're
gonna go to the monitor to review to.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Seat, no, I don't think we're going need to go
to monitor.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
The most egregious situation ever that San Antonio Spurs fans
complain about is when Joey Crawford kicked out Tim Duncan
for laughing at a joke that somebody's in on the bench,
and Joey assumed that he was laughing at him. Well,
Tim duncould never done that, and Joey was in a
bad mood, and it really tarnished Joey's legacy because he's
still one of the greatest officials in the.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
History of the league.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
He's just persona on God and San Antonio because how
dare you throw out Tim Duncan for laughing? And yeah,
Tim didn't say anything that was vulgar, But I think
you have to make sure that when Lucas says something
else during the game. I think Luke after he got
the first he was not going to say another word
to the officials, and the officials should know that he's
not And kind of think to yourself, was that intended
(08:25):
for me another message or was that at somebody else?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Or was he just blowing off steam?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But why should a referee have to sit here and think, oh,
I have to worry about what.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
This particular Maybe just let one go and then tee him.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Up the next time. Yeah, again, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Who it is.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The rules have always been different for stars. Michael Jordan's
got hover many points he has, and about half those
points he got because he traveled going to the basket. Yeah,
and everybody else would have been called for the play
that James Harden has mastered is called traveling in college,
in high school, in junior high in an aau.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
But it's James Harden.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So he can travel to get my room to step
back and shoot a three, And now every kid on
the planet thinks he should shoot it that way, and
every time they do it in an organized game, it's
a travel But James Harden gets away with it because
he's a star.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well again, Usually when tea's happen by by a player,
they will sit there and go at the referee, And
after the tea happens, the referee for the most part,
will sit there and listen to them and say.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Hey, you got teed up.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to what your argument is,
and they're gonna give you a little bit of leeway.
But after a while they're gonna say, Okay, it's enough enough, yep, right.
Luca just doesn't do that. He doesn't do that. Unfortunately.
That's that's the biggest knock I have on him this year.
And he is actually with that. I don't think he'll
get there, but he's right thirteen, he's at fourteen. Yeah, yeah,
(09:55):
he probably won't even play the last go. Well, they're
jockey for a position, so he's got to play. If
he gets too more, he will be automatically suspended for
the next game, which could be a playoff, which.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Could be a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And I believe once they get into the playoffs, if
you have sixteen, it's every other tech it's suspension.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
If miss does it reset when you get to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Or not, I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I have to look that one, don't There is the
situation to work.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think if you get like three or four during
a playoff series, that's that's a suspension too.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Maybe like that.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Here's one thing I'm hoping by June. I want there
are so many people out there, and I like all
these shows, so I'm not, you know, disseingrating the disintegrating
the shows. But Dan Patrick, Colin Cowhert, Doug Gottlieb, everybody
is saying, man, it's going to be the Lakers and
the Celtics in the in the in the NBA Finals,
(10:47):
And I am so hoping it's it's it's Cleveland and
Oklahoma City, just because I think people are underestimating those teams.
We're going to find out if they can play in
the playoffs, but I think we need new blood in there.
And Colin and those guys will say, well, we know
we need stars for ratings, we need stars cities for ratings. Well,
they got stars in Oklahoma City and they got stars
(11:09):
in Cleveland, and the New York and LA markets may
not care, but I think that would be a great
series because I think those are two good teams.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Okay, yeah, they do. In the postseason.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
It's players are given a one game suspension after receiving
the seventh total technical in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
If you're getting seventies.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
In, well, Luca could get there quickly if he was
in a bad mood, very well could all right. Steve
Kerr weighs in on the Malone firing, the Michael Malone firing,
and he does say some things that I think are
very true about today's owners. We'll talk about that next.
It's the Andy Everett Show on the Ticket
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