November 26, 2025 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Depending on where the American Conference championship game is played.
I think that's gonna determine who the champion is. If
North Texas gets to play a game at home on
a Friday night and packs up that stadium, uh, and
that and they would likely play two Lane or Memphis
if they if I'm not sure how these tie breakers
all work, I actually think that if Memphis or if
not Memphis, two Lane in our Navy. If if Navy wins,
(00:28):
I think there they have a rematch with North Texas.
I'm not sure how the Tulane thing factors in, but
they all have one loss. I don't think Tou Lane
will lose. I don't think North Texas will lose.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And if Navy beats Memphis, you're gonna have a three
way tie for the top, and one of those teams
is going to be there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So right now the tie So right now, in terms
of like how the standings are, standings are obviously North
Texas at the top because they have the better overall record.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yea, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
North Texas's only loss was to South Florida. Navy's only
loss was to Two Lane's only loss was to UTSA.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So that and I and.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't be lost to North Texas and so Navy lost,
so Navy would be out right, Yeah, theoretically yes, so
they'd be because they're oh and one against the common
opponents exactly, and Tulane and didn't play in North Texas,
so it'd be too Lane. So who gets the home field,
two Lane or North Texas?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And now North Texas would get that because they have
the better overall record because they're.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Ten and one to Lane and two, so it would
be in in Denton, so I think.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And even though the polls have TWU Lane listed as
the twenty second best team in the country, that stops
next week and North Texas takes that spot. If North
Texas were to beat them in the championship game, and
North Texas still has to beat the pesky Temple team
and Memphis, Uh, Memphis is still a pretty good team,
and what they will see how they do against Navy.
I think Navy's thinking that they're gonna get there, but
(01:46):
they're probably gonna need Toulane to lose.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And I think Tulane, who's too.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
To Lane, got left tow Lane plays, I got ab
TWU Lane plays doesn't have them on this week.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh Charlotte. Charlotte, Well, they're win that game by one
hundred I think right now, Andy, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean, obviously Navy plays Memphis, nackad factor and stuff,
but really don't sleep on Temple because theyre one went
away from both.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, but I don't think Temple is going to North
Texas and winning. UTSA should have beaten Temple by four scorers,
and if they were playing this time of the year,
they probably would have.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think Temple was.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A better than they've been, but they're still not ready
for prime time.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Not just that in Texas State too. If you played Texas,
Texas State.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Was sped up for that game, but that's not a
conference game. The two big losses to North Texas and
South Florida. But anyway, Eric Morris is going to get
the coach as long as North Texas is playing, and
then he's going to pack his bags and go one
hundred miles or two hundred miles up the road to
still Water. And I think that when people know where
my loyalty is between the OU and O s U
(02:47):
stuff I was. I grew up in Oklahoma. I'm an
OU person. I didn't care if Oklahoma State one lost
or draw. I thought it was funny when they would
get blown out, but they were a terrible team in
the seventies and eighties. I can remember playing golf with
a guy one time and he was talking about Oklahoma
State and he kept saying, we we OI and I'm like,
what's this we stuff? I don't want Oklahoma State to
(03:10):
ever win? Well, they're gonna beat O you this week,
and I went, hope they're not. Oh, yeah they are.
It's guaranteed, it's guaranteed win. I said, what a bet.
I'll bet you five bucks. I think we bet five
bucks on whether oh you would beat os U. And
I said, just to make it fair for you, I'll
bet you another five bucks and i'll give you Oklahoma
State in fifty.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You doubled down.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So he wanted to bet me straight up for five bucks,
and so then I said, I'll give you. I'll give
you a side bet as you get Oklahoma State in
fifty points to give a parlay. Okay, So basically, well
what to parlay? It was you could win both, or
you could win none, or you could win one. Oh
you won the game seventy to three, and so I
(03:50):
won ten Bucks, and he was like, I guess we're
not there.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, said, yeah, I told you weren't. You're not very good.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But Oklahoma State in the early eighties bribe Hartley to
go to school there, and they got good for a while.
And I don't know how legit the Thurm and Thomas
and Barry Sanders acquisitions were, but during that time they
were pretty decent, more so with Sanders than Thomas. Sanders
was a little bit later. But they can never beat
Ou and they can never beat Nebraska, and so they
(04:17):
were at best the third or fourth best team in
the Big Eight. And I think when Les Miles was
there and beat Bob Stoops back to back, that was
kind of another renaissance for Oklahoma State. And Mike Gundy,
to me, was the best coach they've ever had, mainly
because he wanted to be there. Everybody else has used
that job as a stepping stone. Jimmy Johnson went to
Miami and then the Cowboys, and Les Miles went to
(04:40):
LSU and everybody else. That's never been a job where
you go to stay forever, except that's what Myke Gundy
wanted to do. You wanted to make stillwater. His home
and live there forever. I think Eric Morris, and I
don't know him, I think this is an opportunity to
padg your your bank account because I just don't think
you can win there unless you've gotten a real hard
(05:02):
commitment from the alumni, the boosters, and the administration that
you're in l NIL is going to be five to
seven times more than the right than it is right now.
When you've got Brigham Young, which basically has an unlimited
expense account because they can just ask for more and
get it. When you have Baylor in Texas Tech and
(05:23):
Houston with Tillman Fatita's money, YEP, and Cody Campbell at
Texas Tech, you have got to match what they're spending
on their rosters, or at least get in the ballpark,
or you're not going to get those rosters. I don't
know that Eric Morris can build enough of a culture
in this era where the cat's already at the back.
One of the reasons why UTSA has been successful in
(05:44):
keeping players, and my guess is that will that's at
some point will end because I think there's a lot
of guys on this team that said, Okay, we'll give
you another year to see what we can do. But
at some point and you're twenty twenty one, twenty two
years old, and somebody is offering you five or six
hundred thousand dollars to go play football someplace else, how
do you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Say no to that? When you can put that in
the bank and.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Let it grow, you know, go buy yourself a car
if that's what you want, or take fifty grand out
to pay your bills for the next several years because
you're don't have much as a college student. But by
the time you graduate, you can be a multimillionaire if
you invest it correctly and get with the right financial
guys and learn to tell people know you can make
you you can pad your life. And that way, when
(06:28):
you do get done with football, whenever that may be,
then you have a lot of options as to what
you want to do with your future, and you have
time to think about it. You don't have to go
get a job immediately, and the job market doesn't pay
enough right now to make a living anyway, So the
interest off of whatever you make off that investment is
certainly something that can supplement that. But I think Oklahoma
State's got a big uphill battle here when that job opened,
(06:51):
I said, and back in September, and I'll continue to
do this. The only way Oklahoma State is going to
make this or any other higher successful is if up
the any on the nil. And if you are gonna
up the anti on the nil, why do you do
it for my Gandy? Mike Gundy is the most loyal
individual coach I've ever seen. He's had plenty of opportunities
(07:11):
to go coach someplace else, but he liked the community,
he liked where he lived, he liked his mansion in Stillwater,
and he wanted to be there. Had you given Mike
Gundy and I owe money at the level that you're
gonna have to get Eric Morris, or at least what
I think he may have gotten promised, then why didn't
you do it for the guy that will be there forever?
Because I can assure you, if you give him fifteen
(07:34):
million dollars for the next three years and they win
the Big twelve and they go to the CFP, whether
they win a game in the CP or HUT, and
there's an SEC job, whether there's an ACC job that
has a big, bigger blue bloodline that has an opportunity
to now up that roster to twenty five to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Thirty five million. He's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And and here's one of the things I've been kind
of educated by coaches recently. Most head coaches don't have
to pay for a there's a car dealership in town
that gives them a vehicle and sometimes one for their
wife as well, so there's no car payment. I guess
there's a little token insurance on that, but for the
most part, they get a car, they buy a house,
(08:14):
and they buy enough of a house so that they
have an interest situation where they can have something to
write off, so they pay a little bit less tax
at the end of the year. They never go on vacation,
and when they do go on vacation, their phone in
their computer goes with them, so it's not a very
long vacation. Their vacations are Thursday to Monday in July,
(08:34):
and maybe they get two of those before the training
camp starts back up. They're responsible for over one hundred athletes,
all from different backgrounds, all from different areas of the country,
sometimes the world. That they got to keep tabs on.
That phone can never not be turned off. That phone
is sitting by their bed the whole time. This is
not the glamorous lifestyle. So if you're going to give
(08:54):
somebody three and a half million dollars or seven million dollars,
the wife and the and the kids are the ones
they're going to spend it. The coach at that point
is just doing it for status. I mean, I think
Lane Kiffen wants the LSU job because Mississippi is not
going to pay him a hundred million and LSU is
and he can just have I'm the highest paid coach
in the world. Let's see if we can go in here.
But I don't know that he can win any more
(09:15):
at LSU than he has this year at ole Miss.
He's got ole Miss in a spot right now that
they've never ever been before. So I believe that that's
an opportunity for ole Miss with if they can get
past these distractions. He may not coach after the Egg
Bowl this week, So if he can't coach the championship
game or the if he gets the SEC Championship game
(09:38):
or the CFP, then how quickly do they fall from grace?
So for the most part, I think coaches don't measure
their worth based on how much money they have because
they never spend anyway, the wife is usually taking care
of the books along with the agent. They live in
a nice house, they drive a nice car, They're on
the phone all day long, and they're trying to win.
But here's the thing I think that is the a
(10:00):
nominator between almost every successfully good coach is that they
are competitive. They love the art of competition. And when
you get into a game and you look across the
way and go, there's no chance we're beating this team
because their players are better than ours, that's when they
doubt whether or not that the school or that the
(10:20):
place that they're at.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is the best place to be.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And I think I think Oklahoma State has been in
that boat now since T Boone Pickens died. There's no
money coming in. T Boon would have been great in
the nil world because he would have emptied that hedge
fund to pay you players to go to Oklahoma State.
Now there isn't anybody up there that's going to do that.
The governor apparently are the governor elect or the one
that they think is going to be governor at some
(10:43):
point thinks that is a OSU graduate and he's the
one that I think kind of nudge the people in
Oklahoma State to move off of Gundy. But it's not
going to matter who coaches the team if you're not
going to fund it, and you can't fund it with
the salary that you make as governor or the tax
stars that you have bring in from the state. You've
got to be able to find boosters and people that
(11:05):
have that money to do this. And throwing money at
a coach whatever Eric Morris gets is probably enough. But
as soon as he figures out I can't compete here,
he's going to look for someplace else to compete. So
that's one of the things I'm looking at with this job.
And again, I don't think it's about the money. I
think it's about the opportunity to be competitive and to win.
(11:26):
All Right, we'll talk about adventures in broadcasting that Mark
talked about yesterday in the segment with Sam and Shane
and a couple of the things to get to the
top of the hour before our NFL picks, it's the
Andy average show on the ticket
Depending on where the American Conference championship game is played.
I think that's gonna determine who the champion is. If
North Texas gets to play a game at home on
a Friday night and packs up that stadium, uh, and
that and they would likely play two Lane or Memphis
if they if I'm not sure how these tie breakers
all work, I actually think that if Memphis or if
not Memphis, two Lane in our Navy. If if Navy wins,
(00:28):
I think there they have a rematch with North Texas.
I'm not sure how the Tulane thing factors in, but
they all have one loss. I don't think Tou Lane
will lose. I don't think North Texas will lose.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And if Navy beats Memphis, you're gonna have a three
way tie for the top, and one of those teams
is going to be there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So right now the tie So right now, in terms
of like how the standings are, standings are obviously North
Texas at the top because they have the better overall record.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yea, and.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
North Texas's only loss was to South Florida. Navy's only
loss was to Two Lane's only loss was to UTSA.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So that and I and.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I don't be lost to North Texas and so Navy lost,
so Navy would be out right, Yeah, theoretically yes, so
they'd be because they're oh and one against the common
opponents exactly, and Tulane and didn't play in North Texas,
so it'd be too Lane. So who gets the home field,
two Lane or North Texas?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
And now North Texas would get that because they have
the better overall record because they're.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Ten and one to Lane and two, so it would
be in in Denton, so I think.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And even though the polls have TWU Lane listed as
the twenty second best team in the country, that stops
next week and North Texas takes that spot. If North
Texas were to beat them in the championship game, and
North Texas still has to beat the pesky Temple team
and Memphis, Uh, Memphis is still a pretty good team,
and what they will see how they do against Navy.
I think Navy's thinking that they're gonna get there, but
(01:46):
they're probably gonna need Toulane to lose.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And I think Tulane, who's too.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
To Lane, got left tow Lane plays, I got ab
TWU Lane plays doesn't have them on this week.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh Charlotte. Charlotte, Well, they're win that game by one
hundred I think right now, Andy, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I mean, obviously Navy plays Memphis, nackad factor and stuff,
but really don't sleep on Temple because theyre one went
away from both.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, but I don't think Temple is going to North
Texas and winning. UTSA should have beaten Temple by four scorers,
and if they were playing this time of the year,
they probably would have.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I think Temple was.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
A better than they've been, but they're still not ready
for prime time.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Not just that in Texas State too. If you played Texas,
Texas State.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Was sped up for that game, but that's not a
conference game. The two big losses to North Texas and
South Florida. But anyway, Eric Morris is going to get
the coach as long as North Texas is playing, and
then he's going to pack his bags and go one
hundred miles or two hundred miles up the road to
still Water. And I think that when people know where
my loyalty is between the OU and O s U
(02:47):
stuff I was. I grew up in Oklahoma. I'm an
OU person. I didn't care if Oklahoma State one lost
or draw. I thought it was funny when they would
get blown out, but they were a terrible team in
the seventies and eighties. I can remember playing golf with
a guy one time and he was talking about Oklahoma
State and he kept saying, we we OI and I'm like,
what's this we stuff? I don't want Oklahoma State to
(03:10):
ever win? Well, they're gonna beat O you this week,
and I went, hope they're not. Oh, yeah they are.
It's guaranteed, it's guaranteed win. I said, what a bet.
I'll bet you five bucks. I think we bet five
bucks on whether oh you would beat os U. And
I said, just to make it fair for you, I'll
bet you another five bucks and i'll give you Oklahoma
State in fifty.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You doubled down.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So he wanted to bet me straight up for five bucks,
and so then I said, I'll give you. I'll give
you a side bet as you get Oklahoma State in
fifty points to give a parlay. Okay, So basically, well
what to parlay? It was you could win both, or
you could win none, or you could win one. Oh
you won the game seventy to three, and so I
(03:50):
won ten Bucks, and he was like, I guess we're
not there.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yes, said, yeah, I told you weren't. You're not very good.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
But Oklahoma State in the early eighties bribe Hartley to
go to school there, and they got good for a while.
And I don't know how legit the Thurm and Thomas
and Barry Sanders acquisitions were, but during that time they
were pretty decent, more so with Sanders than Thomas. Sanders
was a little bit later. But they can never beat
Ou and they can never beat Nebraska, and so they
(04:17):
were at best the third or fourth best team in
the Big Eight. And I think when Les Miles was
there and beat Bob Stoops back to back, that was
kind of another renaissance for Oklahoma State. And Mike Gundy,
to me, was the best coach they've ever had, mainly
because he wanted to be there. Everybody else has used
that job as a stepping stone. Jimmy Johnson went to
Miami and then the Cowboys, and Les Miles went to
(04:40):
LSU and everybody else. That's never been a job where
you go to stay forever, except that's what Myke Gundy
wanted to do. You wanted to make stillwater. His home
and live there forever. I think Eric Morris, and I
don't know him, I think this is an opportunity to
padg your your bank account because I just don't think
you can win there unless you've gotten a real hard
(05:02):
commitment from the alumni, the boosters, and the administration that
you're in l NIL is going to be five to
seven times more than the right than it is right now.
When you've got Brigham Young, which basically has an unlimited
expense account because they can just ask for more and
get it. When you have Baylor in Texas Tech and
(05:23):
Houston with Tillman Fatita's money, YEP, and Cody Campbell at
Texas Tech, you have got to match what they're spending
on their rosters, or at least get in the ballpark,
or you're not going to get those rosters. I don't
know that Eric Morris can build enough of a culture
in this era where the cat's already at the back.
One of the reasons why UTSA has been successful in
(05:44):
keeping players, and my guess is that will that's at
some point will end because I think there's a lot
of guys on this team that said, Okay, we'll give
you another year to see what we can do. But
at some point and you're twenty twenty one, twenty two
years old, and somebody is offering you five or six
hundred thousand dollars to go play football someplace else, how
do you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Say no to that? When you can put that in
the bank and.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Let it grow, you know, go buy yourself a car
if that's what you want, or take fifty grand out
to pay your bills for the next several years because
you're don't have much as a college student. But by
the time you graduate, you can be a multimillionaire if
you invest it correctly and get with the right financial
guys and learn to tell people know you can make
you you can pad your life. And that way, when
(06:28):
you do get done with football, whenever that may be,
then you have a lot of options as to what
you want to do with your future, and you have
time to think about it. You don't have to go
get a job immediately, and the job market doesn't pay
enough right now to make a living anyway, So the
interest off of whatever you make off that investment is
certainly something that can supplement that. But I think Oklahoma
State's got a big uphill battle here when that job opened,
(06:51):
I said, and back in September, and I'll continue to
do this. The only way Oklahoma State is going to
make this or any other higher successful is if up
the any on the nil. And if you are gonna
up the anti on the nil, why do you do
it for my Gandy? Mike Gundy is the most loyal
individual coach I've ever seen. He's had plenty of opportunities
(07:11):
to go coach someplace else, but he liked the community,
he liked where he lived, he liked his mansion in Stillwater,
and he wanted to be there. Had you given Mike
Gundy and I owe money at the level that you're
gonna have to get Eric Morris, or at least what
I think he may have gotten promised, then why didn't
you do it for the guy that will be there forever?
Because I can assure you, if you give him fifteen
(07:34):
million dollars for the next three years and they win
the Big twelve and they go to the CFP, whether
they win a game in the CP or HUT, and
there's an SEC job, whether there's an ACC job that
has a big, bigger blue bloodline that has an opportunity
to now up that roster to twenty five to.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Thirty five million. He's gonna go.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And and here's one of the things I've been kind
of educated by coaches recently. Most head coaches don't have
to pay for a there's a car dealership in town
that gives them a vehicle and sometimes one for their
wife as well, so there's no car payment. I guess
there's a little token insurance on that, but for the
most part, they get a car, they buy a house,
(08:14):
and they buy enough of a house so that they
have an interest situation where they can have something to
write off, so they pay a little bit less tax
at the end of the year. They never go on vacation,
and when they do go on vacation, their phone in
their computer goes with them, so it's not a very
long vacation. Their vacations are Thursday to Monday in July,
(08:34):
and maybe they get two of those before the training
camp starts back up. They're responsible for over one hundred athletes,
all from different backgrounds, all from different areas of the country,
sometimes the world. That they got to keep tabs on.
That phone can never not be turned off. That phone
is sitting by their bed the whole time. This is
not the glamorous lifestyle. So if you're going to give
(08:54):
somebody three and a half million dollars or seven million dollars,
the wife and the and the kids are the ones
they're going to spend it. The coach at that point
is just doing it for status. I mean, I think
Lane Kiffen wants the LSU job because Mississippi is not
going to pay him a hundred million and LSU is
and he can just have I'm the highest paid coach
in the world. Let's see if we can go in here.
But I don't know that he can win any more
(09:15):
at LSU than he has this year at ole Miss.
He's got ole Miss in a spot right now that
they've never ever been before. So I believe that that's
an opportunity for ole Miss with if they can get
past these distractions. He may not coach after the Egg
Bowl this week, So if he can't coach the championship
game or the if he gets the SEC Championship game
(09:38):
or the CFP, then how quickly do they fall from grace?
So for the most part, I think coaches don't measure
their worth based on how much money they have because
they never spend anyway, the wife is usually taking care
of the books along with the agent. They live in
a nice house, they drive a nice car, They're on
the phone all day long, and they're trying to win.
But here's the thing I think that is the a
(10:00):
nominator between almost every successfully good coach is that they
are competitive. They love the art of competition. And when
you get into a game and you look across the
way and go, there's no chance we're beating this team
because their players are better than ours, that's when they
doubt whether or not that the school or that the
(10:20):
place that they're at.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is the best place to be.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And I think I think Oklahoma State has been in
that boat now since T Boone Pickens died. There's no
money coming in. T Boon would have been great in
the nil world because he would have emptied that hedge
fund to pay you players to go to Oklahoma State.
Now there isn't anybody up there that's going to do that.
The governor apparently are the governor elect or the one
that they think is going to be governor at some
(10:43):
point thinks that is a OSU graduate and he's the
one that I think kind of nudge the people in
Oklahoma State to move off of Gundy. But it's not
going to matter who coaches the team if you're not
going to fund it, and you can't fund it with
the salary that you make as governor or the tax
stars that you have bring in from the state. You've
got to be able to find boosters and people that
(11:05):
have that money to do this. And throwing money at
a coach whatever Eric Morris gets is probably enough. But
as soon as he figures out I can't compete here,
he's going to look for someplace else to compete. So
that's one of the things I'm looking at with this job.
And again, I don't think it's about the money. I
think it's about the opportunity to be competitive and to win.
(11:26):
All Right, we'll talk about adventures in broadcasting that Mark
talked about yesterday in the segment with Sam and Shane
and a couple of the things to get to the
top of the hour before our NFL picks, it's the
Andy average show on the ticket
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.