July 9, 2025 • 11 mins
Chet Holmgren signs a massive extension with the OKC Thunder.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
So today the Thunder announced that they are going to
resign chet Holmgren and give him an extension that will
pay him fifty million dollars a year for the foreseeable future.
Five years. Is his is his contract. There's super max
forty one million. A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Man, that's a lot of money for a guy that's
basically one good season.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So here's here's something that I think the Thunder are
the Boys in the Desert's favorite to repeat his champions
and generally speaking, every year that somebody wins the championship,
they're the odds on favorite anyway to win next year.
First and yeah, but even then, I think that there
was them in Miami, so they were either first or
second favorite. I don't think the Spurs were ever the favorites. Yeah,
(00:52):
they were, they were after even after. I think they
were the favorites going into the fourteen to fifteen season,
and I think they were the second favorites going in
to thirteen fourteen. And if it hadn't been for Ray
Allen getting crazily lucky, then that wouldn't have happened either.
Still too soon, but anyway, if you look at their roster,
and I think there's a lot of parallels between the
(01:13):
Thunder and the Celtics, And we talked about this to
start the show earlier. But look at it from this perspective,
going into this next season, this twenty five twenty six season,
Shay's at thirty eight million, and next year he's at
forty million, forty point one million. His extension does not
take effect till twenty seven twenty eight. That's a good
(01:33):
thing too, because actually in next season, Homegrenn and potentially
Jalen Williams could be making more than Shae does for
one year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Crazy, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The big money for Shay doesn't take effect till twenty
seven to twenty eight, and then at sixty three point seven,
sixty eight point eight, seventy three point eight, and seventy
eight point nine. I'd like to make a million dollars
a game, Andy, I would just like, I don't even
need that million dollars. Would be a give me like
a thousand dollars a day, and I'm happy. I'm happy,
all right. So, uh, next year, after next after this season,
(02:08):
and the next season, this is the window right now
for and actually I think this next season, the twenty
five to twenty six season. If Oklahoma City does not
repeat as a champion, they're going to have some financial
decisions to make because and this is good for the
rest of the league because it may mean that other
(02:29):
teams in the.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
League get some of their really good players.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So next year, everybody that is currently on their roster,
with the exception of somebody named aj Mitchell that I
don't even think got in games.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And os Man Dang who was Osmani Dang? Who was hurt?
Usman is Usman Jane.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I need to talk to
him about that, because North Texas had a player years
ago and it was Osmani and it was spelled exactly
the same way as this one is Usman Jing if
that's when he wants to pronounce it. But the guy
that had a very exact same spelling did it differently.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I'm not taking trust. I don't trust him Usman
j Okay Usman Jang.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So anyway, those two guys will not be on the
roster in twenty six twenty seven, but Shay at forty
point eight, Hartenstein at twenty eight, and Dort at seventeen
and change and check going now to fifty million, basically
forty nine million fifty million a year, and Jayalen Williams
(03:35):
potentially at forty because I think that's what his deal
could be going into this time. A year from now,
going into the twenty six twenty seven season, Oklahoma City
would be at almost two hundred and forty million dollars
a payroll, and right now the second aprons at two
oh eight, and it may go up to two fifteen
or two twenty, but it's not going to two forty,
(03:56):
and they're gonna have to make a decision do we
sign in trade Jalen Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Do we maxim out now?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And then the twenty seven to twenty eight seasons is
when the contracts of Cason Wallace and if they still
want to keep Hartenstein and Dort expire. So here's that
I brought this up yesterday and on Monday, you can
have two and my two would be Shay and j
dub And there's two reasons why I would look at
(04:26):
I think wing players who can score are more important
than players who play similarly to the way that Homegroun does,
and HomeGrid would be a good centerpiece for another team.
But I would Key and Also j dub is going
to make forty million instead of fifty million, and so
that's ten million dollars of help. But I think if
(04:47):
the Thunder, whether they win or lose the championship next year,
they may be in the same fire sale that the
Celtics are in this year to avoid paying that second
Apron tax and all there choices and freezing of trades
and stuff that come along with being in the second Aprin.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, the two are the ones that you can look
at potentially would maybe be shipped out, or because they
are team options, they could just not get picked up.
More than likely is you look at Isaiah Hartenstein at
twenty eight point five million and then lewinz Dort at
seventeen point seven. I mean, right there, that's what forty million,
(05:25):
forty five.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, forty five million, So that drop.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But here here's the question I have. Would you rather
have Shae Holmgren and Jay dub and nine rookies, nine
players who either rookies or g leaguers making minimum salary
or if you remove Shaef, if you remove a Homegren
and trade him, and even at fifty million, I think
(05:49):
I think Holmegren as long as he doesn't get hurt
is tradable. He gets hurt, he blows an ACL he
has an achilles injury, which is the trend these days,
all bets are off. But if he goes to another
season healthy and as well as he did for most
of the playoffs, the first part of the Indiana Series,
he didn't play well. The back half of it, he did,
I still think he's tradable. So would you rather have Shae,
(06:10):
Jadub and Holmgren and a bunch of rookies and minimum
salary players, or would you rather have Shae and Jadub
and keep Case and Wallace and keep Dort and keep
Hart and sign because I think you need bodies. And
if you can have five or six guys that you
can trust and then put the g leaguers around him
and the minimum salary players and the mid level exception players,
(06:31):
you can still be competitive. And coming up in about
three or four years, I think the Spurs are going
to be in a similar in a similar boat, because
you know Wimby's going to get extended, and that's sixty
five million a year if he makes all the parameters,
and you probably are going to sign Fox this summer.
If that happens, and he's going to start next year
at fifty seven million, and when we get to when
(06:54):
we get to twenty seven, twenty eight, and to twenty
eight twenty nine, that number is going to be north
of two hundred million dollars on the payroll. And it's
going to be really really difficult to keep everybody here
and not have to pay a second apron tax. Here's
something to think about. Oh no, and this is kind
of the irony. I think of all of this Major
(07:16):
League Baseball rosters who have a have a forty man roster.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Basically they're getting major league money.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There's fourteen that are optioning back and forth all the time,
but they're twenty six guys twenty six man rosters. In
Major League Baseball, there's only a few teams that are
over one hundred and eighty five million dollars a hundred
ninety million. That's usually where a lot of teams are
comfortable with. Now there's the Dodgers and the Yankees and
all those into third salaries. You can say they're over
two hundred million, But can you imagine a basketball team
(07:45):
that has twelve players, thirteen players on it is making
over two hundred million, and there are baseball teams with
twenty six who are not at that number.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know, one of those teams more than likely right
now would be let's say, what is it, Colorado Rockies,
probably are.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They're cheap, the Rockies, the A's, the Pirates, the usual
suspects who never spend their money. Yeah, anyway, we're looking
and the NBA is in good good shape financially. The
TV contracts are set for ten years, all the streaming stuff.
But I I'm going to be really interested in ten
years to see if this is if the investment all
(08:25):
of these outlets made is the right one. My biggest
concern with the NBA is that there's going to be
so many national TV games next year that are going
to be national exclusive, and you're not going to be
able to have your hometown TV broadcast do more than
about sixty sixty five games. Every team is going to
be on national TV, and if it's a if it's
(08:46):
a national TV window, you may not be able to
even you probably won't even play.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On those nights.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, looking at it as well, you know you're talking
about all the different aprons. The next potential collective bargaining
agreement that could come in to play would be the
twenty nine to thirty season because that's when this current
seven year, seven year agreement takes place or runs through.
So maybe at that point we could start to see
(09:13):
maybe a little bit of finagling of the aprons.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Maybe the aprons go.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Away, but well, something's going to happen because the players
want to get Basically, here's the deal. There's two things
I think that have to happen. When you look at
collective boring agreements, half the basketball related income has to
go to the players. The players know that they're never
going to get fifty point one percent. There was a
time years ago it was fifty seven forty three in
favor of the players, and then when they held out
(09:39):
in twenty eleven or twelve, whenever it was, they finally
got it down to fifty to fifty, and the fifty
to fifty split is the fairest way to do this.
The players are needed because they're the product, and the
owners are needed because they're the billionaires. But it's always
going to be fifty to fifty on basketball related income.
But there are teams that don't mind going over a
cap if it's a soft Cap because they have the
(10:02):
TV contracts that LA New York, Chicago, Toronto, even the
Spurs have had in the past to be able to
offset some of that payment, or they're in a big
enough market where they get additional non basketball revenue that
isn't shared and so they don't mind. Or or for example,
the Spurs may sell their court side seats for twenty
five hundred a game and LA may sell them for
(10:24):
five thousand a game just because the market will bear it.
I'm not sure that's the pricing. I'm just throwing the
numbers out. It's probably so there's always going to be
teams that are not that in the name of wanting
to win, are going to spend more.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And those teams that are going to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Go over caps have to have some kind of a
tax or a penalty to prevent them from doing it
all the time. Otherwise you're going to have the same
eight teams always win. Something that Dion Sanders talked about
today in the Big twelve Media Days, which we'll share
with you in a little bit, but I think the
thunder have one year. If they don't win it next year,
even if they do this time next year, there's going
(11:02):
to be a fire sale in Oklahoma City, and I
think the Spurs are. Assuming that Fox signs, assuming that
Wimby signs, and assuming that Castle signs, you're going to
have three guys making one hundred and sixty million bucks
at some point, and you're not going to be able
to do that and feel a competitive team without paying
second apron tax. All Right, We've got some baseball stuff
(11:24):
to get to in just a little bit here, and
we also have an Angel Rey story and a lot more.
We'll get to all of that coming up. It's the
Andy Everage Show. On the ticket
So today the Thunder announced that they are going to
resign chet Holmgren and give him an extension that will
pay him fifty million dollars a year for the foreseeable future.
Five years. Is his is his contract. There's super max
forty one million. A lot of money.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Man, that's a lot of money for a guy that's
basically one good season.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
So here's here's something that I think the Thunder are
the Boys in the Desert's favorite to repeat his champions
and generally speaking, every year that somebody wins the championship,
they're the odds on favorite anyway to win next year.
First and yeah, but even then, I think that there
was them in Miami, so they were either first or
second favorite. I don't think the Spurs were ever the favorites. Yeah,
(00:52):
they were, they were after even after. I think they
were the favorites going into the fourteen to fifteen season,
and I think they were the second favorites going in
to thirteen fourteen. And if it hadn't been for Ray
Allen getting crazily lucky, then that wouldn't have happened either.
Still too soon, but anyway, if you look at their roster,
and I think there's a lot of parallels between the
(01:13):
Thunder and the Celtics, And we talked about this to
start the show earlier. But look at it from this perspective,
going into this next season, this twenty five twenty six season,
Shay's at thirty eight million, and next year he's at
forty million, forty point one million. His extension does not
take effect till twenty seven twenty eight. That's a good
(01:33):
thing too, because actually in next season, Homegrenn and potentially
Jalen Williams could be making more than Shae does for
one year.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Crazy, Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The big money for Shay doesn't take effect till twenty
seven to twenty eight, and then at sixty three point seven,
sixty eight point eight, seventy three point eight, and seventy
eight point nine. I'd like to make a million dollars
a game, Andy, I would just like, I don't even
need that million dollars. Would be a give me like
a thousand dollars a day, and I'm happy. I'm happy,
all right. So, uh, next year, after next after this season,
(02:08):
and the next season, this is the window right now
for and actually I think this next season, the twenty
five to twenty six season. If Oklahoma City does not
repeat as a champion, they're going to have some financial
decisions to make because and this is good for the
rest of the league because it may mean that other
(02:29):
teams in the.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
League get some of their really good players.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So next year, everybody that is currently on their roster,
with the exception of somebody named aj Mitchell that I
don't even think got in games.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And os Man Dang who was Osmani Dang? Who was hurt?
Usman is Usman Jane.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna I need to talk to
him about that, because North Texas had a player years
ago and it was Osmani and it was spelled exactly
the same way as this one is Usman Jing if
that's when he wants to pronounce it. But the guy
that had a very exact same spelling did it differently.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
So I'm not taking trust. I don't trust him Usman
j Okay Usman Jang.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So anyway, those two guys will not be on the
roster in twenty six twenty seven, but Shay at forty
point eight, Hartenstein at twenty eight, and Dort at seventeen
and change and check going now to fifty million, basically
forty nine million fifty million a year, and Jayalen Williams
(03:35):
potentially at forty because I think that's what his deal
could be going into this time. A year from now,
going into the twenty six twenty seven season, Oklahoma City
would be at almost two hundred and forty million dollars
a payroll, and right now the second aprons at two
oh eight, and it may go up to two fifteen
or two twenty, but it's not going to two forty,
(03:56):
and they're gonna have to make a decision do we
sign in trade Jalen Williams.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Do we maxim out now?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And then the twenty seven to twenty eight seasons is
when the contracts of Cason Wallace and if they still
want to keep Hartenstein and Dort expire. So here's that
I brought this up yesterday and on Monday, you can
have two and my two would be Shay and j
dub And there's two reasons why I would look at
(04:26):
I think wing players who can score are more important
than players who play similarly to the way that Homegroun does,
and HomeGrid would be a good centerpiece for another team.
But I would Key and Also j dub is going
to make forty million instead of fifty million, and so
that's ten million dollars of help. But I think if
(04:47):
the Thunder, whether they win or lose the championship next year,
they may be in the same fire sale that the
Celtics are in this year to avoid paying that second
Apron tax and all there choices and freezing of trades
and stuff that come along with being in the second Aprin.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, the two are the ones that you can look
at potentially would maybe be shipped out, or because they
are team options, they could just not get picked up.
More than likely is you look at Isaiah Hartenstein at
twenty eight point five million and then lewinz Dort at
seventeen point seven. I mean, right there, that's what forty million,
(05:25):
forty five.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, forty five million, So that drop.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But here here's the question I have. Would you rather
have Shae Holmgren and Jay dub and nine rookies, nine
players who either rookies or g leaguers making minimum salary
or if you remove Shaef, if you remove a Homegren
and trade him, and even at fifty million, I think
(05:49):
I think Holmegren as long as he doesn't get hurt
is tradable. He gets hurt, he blows an ACL he
has an achilles injury, which is the trend these days,
all bets are off. But if he goes to another
season healthy and as well as he did for most
of the playoffs, the first part of the Indiana Series,
he didn't play well. The back half of it, he did,
I still think he's tradable. So would you rather have Shae,
(06:10):
Jadub and Holmgren and a bunch of rookies and minimum
salary players, or would you rather have Shae and Jadub
and keep Case and Wallace and keep Dort and keep
Hart and sign because I think you need bodies. And
if you can have five or six guys that you
can trust and then put the g leaguers around him
and the minimum salary players and the mid level exception players,
(06:31):
you can still be competitive. And coming up in about
three or four years, I think the Spurs are going
to be in a similar in a similar boat, because
you know Wimby's going to get extended, and that's sixty
five million a year if he makes all the parameters,
and you probably are going to sign Fox this summer.
If that happens, and he's going to start next year
at fifty seven million, and when we get to when
(06:54):
we get to twenty seven, twenty eight, and to twenty
eight twenty nine, that number is going to be north
of two hundred million dollars on the payroll. And it's
going to be really really difficult to keep everybody here
and not have to pay a second apron tax. Here's
something to think about. Oh no, and this is kind
of the irony. I think of all of this Major
(07:16):
League Baseball rosters who have a have a forty man roster.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Basically they're getting major league money.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
There's fourteen that are optioning back and forth all the time,
but they're twenty six guys twenty six man rosters. In
Major League Baseball, there's only a few teams that are
over one hundred and eighty five million dollars a hundred
ninety million. That's usually where a lot of teams are
comfortable with. Now there's the Dodgers and the Yankees and
all those into third salaries. You can say they're over
two hundred million, But can you imagine a basketball team
(07:45):
that has twelve players, thirteen players on it is making
over two hundred million, and there are baseball teams with
twenty six who are not at that number.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, I can definitely see that.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know, one of those teams more than likely right
now would be let's say, what is it, Colorado Rockies,
probably are.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They're cheap, the Rockies, the A's, the Pirates, the usual
suspects who never spend their money. Yeah, anyway, we're looking
and the NBA is in good good shape financially. The
TV contracts are set for ten years, all the streaming stuff.
But I I'm going to be really interested in ten
years to see if this is if the investment all
(08:25):
of these outlets made is the right one. My biggest
concern with the NBA is that there's going to be
so many national TV games next year that are going
to be national exclusive, and you're not going to be
able to have your hometown TV broadcast do more than
about sixty sixty five games. Every team is going to
be on national TV, and if it's a if it's
(08:46):
a national TV window, you may not be able to
even you probably won't even play.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On those nights.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, looking at it as well, you know you're talking
about all the different aprons. The next potential collective bargaining
agreement that could come in to play would be the
twenty nine to thirty season because that's when this current
seven year, seven year agreement takes place or runs through.
So maybe at that point we could start to see
(09:13):
maybe a little bit of finagling of the aprons.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Maybe the aprons go.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Away, but well, something's going to happen because the players
want to get Basically, here's the deal. There's two things
I think that have to happen. When you look at
collective boring agreements, half the basketball related income has to
go to the players. The players know that they're never
going to get fifty point one percent. There was a
time years ago it was fifty seven forty three in
favor of the players, and then when they held out
(09:39):
in twenty eleven or twelve, whenever it was, they finally
got it down to fifty to fifty, and the fifty
to fifty split is the fairest way to do this.
The players are needed because they're the product, and the
owners are needed because they're the billionaires. But it's always
going to be fifty to fifty on basketball related income.
But there are teams that don't mind going over a
cap if it's a soft Cap because they have the
(10:02):
TV contracts that LA New York, Chicago, Toronto, even the
Spurs have had in the past to be able to
offset some of that payment, or they're in a big
enough market where they get additional non basketball revenue that
isn't shared and so they don't mind. Or or for example,
the Spurs may sell their court side seats for twenty
five hundred a game and LA may sell them for
(10:24):
five thousand a game just because the market will bear it.
I'm not sure that's the pricing. I'm just throwing the
numbers out. It's probably so there's always going to be
teams that are not that in the name of wanting
to win, are going to spend more.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
And those teams that are going to.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Go over caps have to have some kind of a
tax or a penalty to prevent them from doing it
all the time. Otherwise you're going to have the same
eight teams always win. Something that Dion Sanders talked about
today in the Big twelve Media Days, which we'll share
with you in a little bit, but I think the
thunder have one year. If they don't win it next year,
even if they do this time next year, there's going
(11:02):
to be a fire sale in Oklahoma City, and I
think the Spurs are. Assuming that Fox signs, assuming that
Wimby signs, and assuming that Castle signs, you're going to
have three guys making one hundred and sixty million bucks
at some point, and you're not going to be able
to do that and feel a competitive team without paying
second apron tax. All Right, We've got some baseball stuff
(11:24):
to get to in just a little bit here, and
we also have an Angel Rey story and a lot more.
We'll get to all of that coming up. It's the
Andy Everage Show. On the ticket
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