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May 21, 2025 • 14 mins
Has Angel Reese embraced the villain role?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Power.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Number three of the program commences on this Wednesday. Thank
you for being a part of the show. Thanks to
Doc Garrett for joining us. We're going to talk fishing
in about fifteen minutes with Ryan Towns from the concert
the CCA Star Tournament.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Get all that coming up in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Start this hour with the Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark's stuff.
And I had a thought about this over the last
few days.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
And by the way.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I heard Colin say this today that it's only one game,
but the game that the Fever played at home at
what is it?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Bank Great Stadium? Now, what's what's what do they call?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
No, it's I thought they it used to be Cambridge?
It's still? Is it? Is that still Cambridge Field House?
Is that still the name of the Indian Arena? What
is it? Shane Gamebridge? Cambridge? Gamebridge, Cambridge. It's a financial company,
I think.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
But the the number of people that were there for
the first Indiana Fever game was more than the average
that the Pacers had during the regular season. The Pacers
are playoff time, the Pacers will sell.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
At the building every night.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I wouldn't be too concerned about that stat However, I
got to thinking about the Angel.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Rees Caitlin Clark thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I do think there's an insane amount of jealousy
that Angel Rees has towards Caitlin Clark. Don't say, yeah,
it's pretty evident that there's some jealousy, but I think
that we're starting to see more and more people that
were anti Caitlin Clark because of her notoriety in college
kind of gravitating toward her, and so many people kind

(01:36):
of getting this feeling that, you know, she's the one
that's got us our planes and this is the one
that we got to upgrade our hotels and salaries are improving,
and it's all because of her. And it doesn't matter
that there are other great players. I don't care what
the catalyst is to get you paid. I don't care
what the catalyst is to get you notoriety. Just ride

(01:58):
with it, just enjoy it. But I think Angel Rees
thinks that she's a better player than Caitlin Clark. And
Angel Reese is a good enough player to play in
the WNBA. She happened to be on a better team
in college that beat LSU, or that LSU beat them
beat Iowa. But I don't know that Caitlin Clark is
an inferior player to her.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And if you listen to all.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
The general managers and coaches in the WNBA, and I'll
be honest, I still watch it a little bit. I
don't follow it as hardcore as I did back when
I was part of the Stars broadcast, but I still
keep an eye on it and I still watch games
from time to time. But I would say that Angel
Wilson is the best player. I think I ins is
pretty good. I think Breonna Stewart's in that boat. And

(02:41):
Caitlin Clark is certainly a candidate to be first team
All WNBA, and if she doesn't get that for some reason,
it's likely because she didn't play in enough games or
had some injuries along the way, and maybe good enough
to get second team or something along those lines. She's
a top eight to nine player in the league, but
she's probably not the best player in the league, maybe
not top three. But she's certainly gaining on all of that.

(03:03):
But when you but I was, I've been wondering if
Angel Reese has decided, you know what, I can't beat
her and I'm not joining her, so I'm just gonna
be the villain I'm gonna be Draymond Green. I'm gonna
be Rick Mahorn, I'm gonna be Bill Ambier, I'm gonna
stir up the pot. I'm gonna be who else has

(03:25):
I guess been in that in that boat before? H Yeah,
but Rodman didn't get a lot of technical fouls and
he was Rod Moses.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah whatever I mean, you said Rashid Wallace. But Rashid
Wallace was just he's a better player too. He was
just more along the lines that he got teed because
he would argue with the rest but not necessarily would
be the quote unquote villain guy.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I just with Angel Reese, I do think it is
a bit on her part to where she is jealous.
I mean we talked about it earlier, if if not
for her doing at least for me the taunting of
Caitlin Clark when it wasn't warranted whatsoever to me. You know,

(04:09):
win with dignity, lose with dignity, and she's sitting there
following her and it's like, okay, now you're just making
it about yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Well, I don't think that.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I don't think that Caitlyn Clark ever had any issue
with Angel Reads and I could go back to two
years ago when Iowa won Iowa lost to LSU in
the championship game in US three years ago. I guess,
wasn't it so two seasons ago is when when LSU

(04:40):
beat Iowa And everybody knew when that when that matchup
happened that LSU had more players.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't remember their entire roster, but.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
The notoriety was, can Caitlyn Clark single handedly beat LSU?
And she could not. Not very many teams did that year.
That was a really good team that Kim milk had.
And remember I think there was a stretch during that
season where Kim Molkie actually suspended Angel Reeves for violation
of team rules. Yes, and so she came back in

(05:11):
time for the tournament and they did what they did.
And so I don't judge Angel Rees for lack of talent,
but maybe she's obviously not liking the fact that she
didn't get the same notoriety that Caitlin Clark did get
over it. For whatever reason, people like Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Caitlyn Clark ever said Angel Rees can't play. I don't
think she's ever said I don't like Angel Reese, and
I don't know that. I don't know why you take
your frustration out on the player when the players never
had any animosity towards you. It's just everybody else has
praised her. What is she supposed to do? Go, I
don't want the praise. No, I'm not that good. Angel

(05:54):
rees is better. I mean, no athletes ever gonna admit
that somebody else is better than they are. They're going
to work to be just as good as they possibly can.
So it's outside sources that have basically made Angel Reeves great,
and it should be those outside sources that are outside
sources that make Clark great. It should be those outside
sources that she's upset with, not Kaitlin Clark herself.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I just love the fact that she that Caitlin Clark
is doing taking the high road, and she's basically at
this point, just to a certain extent, the saying she she's.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Killing killing Angel Reese. She's killing her with kindness.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
At this point, she's not saying anything negative whatsoever, And
I think that irritates the fact that Angel Reese doesn't
get to have that kind of retaliation from her so
she can say, Hey, I finally got her now you
get to see who the true Caitlin Clark is because
look at the rest of the league. Besides who was

(06:54):
it was it Tarassi or Sue Bird that wound up
eating their own words, And actually he said, yeah, I
was wrong on that scene that Caitlin Clark's not going
to dominate in this league.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I forget which one of those it was.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Asia Wilson hasn't said anything negative about her, Sabrina I
and ask you.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
FISA rights duty.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Brianna Stewart, I mean, Brittany, some of the bigger the veterans.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I haven't heard anything.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
There's only one player, the only one player has a
vendetta against her, and so I'm wondering if that's just
her way of getting notoriety for herself, because well, my
team's not as good as hers is anymore, and she's
developing into one of the top players in the league,
and there's probably some limits as to how much better
that I'm going to get.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
I being Angel Race.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Here's the other thing too, she was She was quoted
the other day as saying that my w NBA salary
does not cover my eight thousand dollars department in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I believe that was I want to say, either
late last year or sometime within the past year.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So okay, I understand that you wouldn't be in an
eight thousand dollars a month a condo apartment if you
didn't have the outside income, because you wouldn't qualify for it.
Seeing that you need to usually make two to three
times the rent to be able to I think that's
the standard for renting apartments and houses. That would mean
you need to make about twenty thousand a month, which

(08:23):
you probably do with all the endorsements that you have
now and your NBA and your WNBA salary.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I want the WNBA to succeed. I've wanted them to
succeed since they got started in nineteen ninety seven. I
have championed that team when nobody else did in the
In the early two thousands, I got to hang around,
you know, Becky and Vicki Johnson and Dan hugheson that
Tire organization for thirteen seasons, and they were fabulous people.
But the league still loses thirty forty million dollars a

(08:51):
year in revenue. The NBA makes ten billion. You are
getting what you're getting because the NBA is subsidizing it,
and you're and I hope that there is a time,
and I think the league is going to have to
expand about twenty four teams before that. It's gonna it's
gonna get to a point where it can make money.
But at some point in time, it's gonna break even.
And sometime after that it's gonna it's gonna start generating

(09:13):
revenue and profit. And I listen, I don't know what
the NBA rating. I think if an NBA game gets
tener and eleven million people, that's a good number. Now
the WNBA got two and a half for regular season game,
that's a start. And at some point those salaries are
going to go up because viewership is going to go up,
and everybody's gonna it is gonna bit on contracts based

(09:34):
on what the viewership is. But here's the one thing
the WNBA has never done. They have never been good marketers.
They kind of get in their own way. They rehash
the same story year in and year out, and they
really need to get better at their own marketing. And
like I said, Donna Raunder was the original president of
the league and she would come on TV with Andrew

(09:56):
and with me on radio every year when we were
on a setting someplace, and her message was great and
her message was clear, but it wasn't working and it
was the same message year after year after year as
what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yeah, we're growing, and they have grown, but.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
They haven't ever taken that big step that they got
with Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
So here's my challenge for them.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Let's say Caitlyn Clark is a once in a generation
player and is fifteen years into the league. That means
that she's got thirteen more seasons. Her career is going
to be over with about twenty thirty eight. Who's the
next Caitlyn Clark? What's going to sustain this? And let's
start making sure that we market everybody other than everybody

(10:44):
else along with Caitlyn Clark, so that if and when
she decides not to play or can't play for whatever reason,
or decides to start a family and take two seasons off,
whatever it is, let's make sure that this doesn't die
just because she's not playing. Collins is all the time
on his show. Every Caitlin Clark game should be on TV,
and I think right now all but two are and

(11:06):
before they play those two games. Those will probably get
picked up somewhere as well, and that should happen. But
we've also got to find other players. It's not in
the NBA. It's not just Steph Curry, it's not just Lebron,
it's not just Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's not just Shay.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's not Jalen Brunson or Jason Tatum, it's all of them.
The NBA markets ten or twelve guys. The WNBA right
now is marketing one. And we got to market all
of the star players and get those of them the
notoriety necessary so that this isn't a one hit wonder.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, you know, that's why I lean more towards it's
on the lines of she's just flat out jealous. So
that's the route she's gonna take because here are the
other players in that draft. And granted she got hurt.
I think it was like two or three games in.
But you hear angel Rees seeing anything negative about Cameron Brink.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
No, the third overall player, but Cameron Brink is.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
We should be marketing Cameron brink for as much as
they are marketing Kaitlyn Clark. And she's in Los Angeles,
so that should even be a bigger media drop.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
She she's a part of h was it New Balance?

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I think you know because she's with uh in that
commercial with Otani and Cooper Flagg. But you don't hear
saying anything negative about Cameron Brink.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
You don't. Obviously she's not gonna say.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Anything negative about her own teammate Kamilla Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
How do you uh? Cardiso and then Rakia Jackson J C.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Sheldon. It's a jealousy thing. Let's just say next year
or the year after, assuming she comes out after her
junior year, which would be this coming season. Juju Watkins
clearly is gonna be the number one overall pick, assuming
she's completely healthy coming back from that acl Is she
gonna be start bad mouthing Juju Watkins if Juju Watkins

(12:57):
overtakes Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, I think she's I think there's a jealousy factor there,
But I think she's decided I'm gonna be the villain
because at least that keeps me relevant and I have
the notoriety and I can I can get my off
the field stuff, and everybody's playing for the same salary. Basically,
when you're a first round draft pick that's gonna change
and that's going to increase.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
In years to come, which to me is just sad.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
It's said that you want to take that route of
being petty instead of just.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Work on your game to be better.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
You know, and yes you're a good player, but work
on your game to even be greater than just settling
for fifteen and ten.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Start to work on your shooting.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
I mean Lisa Leslie, one of the Wall the Route
saying Hey, we're going to work on your layups.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Be better. Yeah, quit missing layups. That'll help he aimed to.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Be better statistic wise.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
That way you can say, yeah, uh, Caitlin Clark may
be winning scoreboard money wise, but guess what I'm winning
on the court. I'm getting w scoreboard for me, scoreboard
for the Chicago Sky because we're getting championships.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
All right.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Coming up with the next segment, we're gonna tell you
how you can win a bunch of prizes if you
want to go fishing this this summer and more coming
up in the back half hour of the program as well.
Ryan Towns joins us next, it's the Indie Average show
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