April 2, 2025 • 12 mins
From NIL, to the Transfer Portal & how it can better adapt to modern times.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I saw a video today from Jim or for Dad.
He was with the Spurs for a little bit, I
think as a draft pick, and I don't think he
ever got in games, did he.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, Yeah, he wasn't a draft pick. He was a
it looks like a preseason preseason.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, this was on the team for a little bit,
and everybody was because he had a good run when
he was in college and everybody thought he should become
the next great thing and he wasn't. But I don't
even what he's doing now.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
But I think he's still with the Shanghai Sharks. Maybe
it could be, but he was on this.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Instagram video or TikTok video or something where he said
I got three ideas where we could change the transfer portal.
Number one I totally agree with, and we have to
change the dates. I don't think that the transfer portal
should open until the Tuesday after.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
The championship game.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This portal stuff going on right now, with players transferring
when they're still playing for teams, or putting their names
in the portal while they're still on a team is
one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
It's bad for morale, it's bad for the team that
you're currently on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's just an absolutely ridiculous concept that and seelboys come
up with. Yes, if coaches want to leave during the tournament,
I don't care, but players need to wait till the
tournament's over. And the Will Wade thing, and I think
we're going to see more of that because you all
compare the Will Wade thing to the Dusty Maye thing
from a couple of years ago. Dusty may could have
(01:32):
gotten to a bigger school earlier than he did, but
because his team went so far in the in the
tournament when they went to the final four, fau that
he never had a chance to even have a conversations
with him. Look at last year, Austin klanch got got hired,
but he couldn't get here until mid April because of
the his ties to Alabama and so all of those
(01:55):
things we need to we need to not do any
We certainly don't need player movement until the season ends.
So let's go April third to April twenty fifth. That's
the transfer portal for basketball, or April seventh, whatever, Next
Tuesday seventh or eighth, whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Next Tuesday is The second thing says is.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That I think he said, I think you should be
able to transfer freely the one time, the second time
you have to sit out a year. Well, that was
the original intention of the nc DOUBLEA, and that's what
happened last year when a judge in West Virginia, a
West Virginia basketball player wanted to make a second transfer
and wanted to challenge the legality of him not being
(02:33):
able to transfer as often.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
As he wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And as soon as a judge says temporary restraining order,
the NCAA caved. Remember, the NCAA does not want to
fight at court battle. They don't want to mess with
the litigation. They don't want the lawyer time, they don't
want what the court costs time. They're not going to
challenge anything because honestly, they don't have anything to stand
on when it comes to the legalities of the way
(02:57):
the world works right now. They do not need do
not a collective bargaining agreement with the players. They are
Anything that you do to restrain trade is can be
considered an anti trust law exemption.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Thing is the Sherman and I trust laws. You can't
do that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You can't tell people they can't go to work or
that they can't go someplace else to better themselves. The
third thing that Jimmer says is that athletes when they
sign letters of intent, should they take in I owe
money or even if they don't, sign two year contracts
or sign a one year contract with a school option
not a player option for the second year. If I
(03:37):
want you to stay, you have to stay. If I
don't care if you leave, then I can let you leave.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Again, that's going to have to be collectively bargained. You cannot,
and I think I don't think NCAA student athletes want
to get into a collective bargaining agreement because it's going
to be a blanket agreement with all five hundred thousand
of them, and there's going to be about a thousand
people don't like the deal, and there's going to be
about four hun or ninety nine thousand that love it
(04:04):
because they're not getting that much from an nil standpoint anyway,
and they may or may not want to transfer five
times in six years. So but I do like the
two year deal thing. And as I said earlier this
week to me, I think we need to start signing
these letters of intent as contracts and as players negotiate
(04:25):
what their INIL or their revenue share number is going
to be, that there needs to be a buyout should
that player leave, and kind of explain it easily. If
if UTSA has a player that wants to leave, whatever
NIO money they got, he has to pay fifty percent
(04:45):
of it back or the school that's taking him has
to pay UTSA fifty percent back. And so you sign
a two year deal and after two years you want
to leave, Okay, well you've got.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
A twenty thousand dollars buyout.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
We gave you forties as twenty Either you pay it
back or the school pays it back. That's school that
you're transferring to. To me, that would be the fairest
and best way to do this. And I think a
lot of times here's how I think this would work
if we got that to year thing going. I think
there's a lot of players that just want to get paid.
(05:20):
They don't care if they play or not. So if
you're on a team and you're playing some and you're
making three thousand dollars in NIL and school B says
we'll pay you thirty how much am I going to
get to play?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, not that much. You're going to be the eighth
guy or ninth guy or tenth guy.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All right, for twenty seven thousand dollars more, I'll go
sit on the bench and practice.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I'm getting paid to practice. I need the money. Let's
go do that.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You also have players that are playing for Team A
regardless of what they're getting paid, and they're not getting
playing time. Now, some of them have a delusion that
that they're not as good as they think they are.
So maybe they go to another school and they get
paid and they whether they play or not, they don't care.
And then you've got are some of those players drop
(06:05):
down a class instead of playing in Conference USA or
the American Conference, they go into Division two, or they
go into the NAIA, or they go someplace else where
they can actually play in that situation. If they actually
end up going to a school that's not a Division
one school, then maybe there's no buyout necessary.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
A lot of players come.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
To a school thinking that they're the best thing that's
ever happened, and they realize quickly how good they're not.
But I do think in order to I think it
would prevent a lot of schools from taking a shot
at somebody or stashing players so they don't have to
play against them. I'll give you another example. PJ Carter
was on the UTSA team last year. He goes to
(06:47):
Memphis this year and I don't know what he got paid,
but it was substantially more than UTSA could afford to
pay him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now he's in the transfer portal again.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now the speculation is is that Penny didn't think he
was as good as he was. It's okay, if you
get in the portal, go find someplace else. We're not
giving you an all money next year. Or it could
be he played well enough that instead of playing for Memphis,
he could go play for Troy, and Troy would say, well,
this would be one of the best players in our
league if he was on our team. But he's the
eighth or ninth guy at Memphis. Is he worth sixty thousand?
(07:18):
But if Troy's got to pay Memphis in order to
get him, then they may think twice about whether they
want him or not. So I think in order to
make it fair, I agree with Jim Or we need
to change the dates and make them all April dates.
You can't get in the portal until the until the
NCAA tournament is over and then number two. I think
(07:40):
we got to sign contracts and number and have buyouts.
Whether you transfer once twice, three times sitting out, he
is not going to hold up in court, and nobody
wants to fight that battle.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I'm just gonna go ahead and say, Jimmerferdeck clearly listens
to us, because that's everything that you just said.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That he said is everything we've been saying for like
what the past about two weeks, two or three weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I would say even longer, but I mean, I'm I
would be on board with it in favor of it.
I mean we when we talk to Coach Claunch and
coach and Coach Trailer and even Coach Aston as well.
Is as much as we want to blame the kids,
it's not the kid's fault. It's the administrations. It's it's
(08:25):
the way that the academic Like you mentioned, the calendars
don't match. The calendars don't match as much as we want.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Especially the football calendar. The basketball calendar would be easy
to match. Just have it after the tournament. The kids
are still in school in April, yes, and they and
they still have to take finals in May and they
can go to the next school in June or go
to get to summer school by you know, June fifteenth
or whenever summer school starts. It's the football calendar that's
messed up because we're having players transfer in December so
(08:52):
they can sign up on January seventeenth when we still
have games going.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The big thing that I'm that I'm in is the
original I guess you could say penalty for transferring, which
they got rid of, is if you transfer so many times. Okay,
clearly you're only in it for the money, which that's fine,
but you have to know that you're not going to
be playing for X amount of games. But then that's
(09:18):
where you get into the question. Yeah, we're not getting
directing the trade or whatever. But I'm all in favor
of contracts, and I truly believe that in the next
ten years, probably five ten years, we're gonna get to
that point to where, and I bring it up all
the time, is there are no longer going.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
To be student athletes or athletes students.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's just going to be the football players, the ones
that are getting the hundreds of thousands of million dollar contracts.
They're not going to be students. They are just going
to be employees of said university.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know if it's ever been publicized, but what
is quinn yours in il deal?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Four million dollars?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, I know when he went to Ohio State it
was reportedly a million.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Right in Texas maybe more allegedly. No, no, no, no, when
he originally.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Went, but when he came back to Texas, when he
came back, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, But here's the thing is I mean, I think
arch is getting four yeah, but he's He's Arch is
a true nil deal. He's doing endorsements, he's not getting
he's not getting basically handed money to nothing. He has
to actually do a commercial every now and then, as
Coyn did. But there's players out there that are just
(10:34):
going to get paid just to play on the team,
whether they do any extracurricular activity, whether they show up
at a birthday party, whether they do anything for the collective.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The revenue shares just.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, you got a scholarship and you got free room
and board. Oh and here's twenty five thousand more or
two hundred and fifty thousand more, depending on what your
status is. But last year, Jeff Traylor mentioned at a
Quarterback Club event that the highest paid player was thirty
six thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That was Joe what Joe Evans got.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He turned down five hundred and seventy five from Miami
and they begged him to go.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
They it was in his best interest to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But so thirty six thousand is what UTSA could pay
its highest player. Well, Memphis is paying players a million
dollars and two million dollars and three million dollars because
they've got FedEx and South Florida and Tulane have have
these huge collectives because of the infrastructure in their cities,
and they're paying players more. I think conferences have to
have a I don't know if you First of all,
(11:31):
they're going to have a revenue sharing cap because every
team's going to be around three hundred around three million.
But I think every team needs to have a collective
cap as well, because otherwise you're going to be very
top heavy. How does Temple compete with with Memphis. It's
hard enough for UTSA in the seventh largest city in America.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
To compete with them. Temple's not doing it.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They're like the fiftieth most important sporting event in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And I think Charlotte is in the same boat.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And Boca Ratona is a really rich community, but more
people care about their Bentley than they do about the
FAU basketball or football teams, So we got to get
that balance. But I think Jimmer's got some good ideas there,
all right. Coming up next, we got some NFL news
to get to and we'll talk about that next. It's
the Indie Everette Show on the tickets
I saw a video today from Jim or for Dad.
He was with the Spurs for a little bit, I
think as a draft pick, and I don't think he
ever got in games, did he.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
No, Yeah, he wasn't a draft pick. He was a
it looks like a preseason preseason.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, this was on the team for a little bit,
and everybody was because he had a good run when
he was in college and everybody thought he should become
the next great thing and he wasn't. But I don't
even what he's doing now.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
But I think he's still with the Shanghai Sharks. Maybe
it could be, but he was on this.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Instagram video or TikTok video or something where he said
I got three ideas where we could change the transfer portal.
Number one I totally agree with, and we have to
change the dates. I don't think that the transfer portal
should open until the Tuesday after.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
The championship game.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
This portal stuff going on right now, with players transferring
when they're still playing for teams, or putting their names
in the portal while they're still on a team is
one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard of.
It's bad for morale, it's bad for the team that
you're currently on.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
It is.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It's just an absolutely ridiculous concept that and seelboys come
up with. Yes, if coaches want to leave during the tournament,
I don't care, but players need to wait till the
tournament's over. And the Will Wade thing, and I think
we're going to see more of that because you all
compare the Will Wade thing to the Dusty Maye thing
from a couple of years ago. Dusty may could have
(01:32):
gotten to a bigger school earlier than he did, but
because his team went so far in the in the
tournament when they went to the final four, fau that
he never had a chance to even have a conversations
with him. Look at last year, Austin klanch got got hired,
but he couldn't get here until mid April because of
the his ties to Alabama and so all of those
(01:55):
things we need to we need to not do any
We certainly don't need player movement until the season ends.
So let's go April third to April twenty fifth. That's
the transfer portal for basketball, or April seventh, whatever, Next
Tuesday seventh or eighth, whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Next Tuesday is The second thing says is.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That I think he said, I think you should be
able to transfer freely the one time, the second time
you have to sit out a year. Well, that was
the original intention of the nc DOUBLEA, and that's what
happened last year when a judge in West Virginia, a
West Virginia basketball player wanted to make a second transfer
and wanted to challenge the legality of him not being
(02:33):
able to transfer as often.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
As he wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And as soon as a judge says temporary restraining order,
the NCAA caved. Remember, the NCAA does not want to
fight at court battle. They don't want to mess with
the litigation. They don't want the lawyer time, they don't
want what the court costs time. They're not going to
challenge anything because honestly, they don't have anything to stand
on when it comes to the legalities of the way
(02:57):
the world works right now. They do not need do
not a collective bargaining agreement with the players. They are
Anything that you do to restrain trade is can be
considered an anti trust law exemption.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Thing is the Sherman and I trust laws. You can't
do that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
You can't tell people they can't go to work or
that they can't go someplace else to better themselves. The
third thing that Jimmer says is that athletes when they
sign letters of intent, should they take in I owe
money or even if they don't, sign two year contracts
or sign a one year contract with a school option
not a player option for the second year. If I
(03:37):
want you to stay, you have to stay. If I
don't care if you leave, then I can let you leave.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Again, that's going to have to be collectively bargained. You cannot,
and I think I don't think NCAA student athletes want
to get into a collective bargaining agreement because it's going
to be a blanket agreement with all five hundred thousand
of them, and there's going to be about a thousand
people don't like the deal, and there's going to be
about four hun or ninety nine thousand that love it
(04:04):
because they're not getting that much from an nil standpoint anyway,
and they may or may not want to transfer five
times in six years. So but I do like the
two year deal thing. And as I said earlier this
week to me, I think we need to start signing
these letters of intent as contracts and as players negotiate
(04:25):
what their INIL or their revenue share number is going
to be, that there needs to be a buyout should
that player leave, and kind of explain it easily. If
if UTSA has a player that wants to leave, whatever
NIO money they got, he has to pay fifty percent
(04:45):
of it back or the school that's taking him has
to pay UTSA fifty percent back. And so you sign
a two year deal and after two years you want
to leave, Okay, well you've got.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
A twenty thousand dollars buyout.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
We gave you forties as twenty Either you pay it
back or the school pays it back. That's school that
you're transferring to. To me, that would be the fairest
and best way to do this. And I think a
lot of times here's how I think this would work
if we got that to year thing going. I think
there's a lot of players that just want to get paid.
(05:20):
They don't care if they play or not. So if
you're on a team and you're playing some and you're
making three thousand dollars in NIL and school B says
we'll pay you thirty how much am I going to
get to play?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well, not that much. You're going to be the eighth
guy or ninth guy or tenth guy.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All right, for twenty seven thousand dollars more, I'll go
sit on the bench and practice.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
I'm getting paid to practice. I need the money. Let's
go do that.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
You also have players that are playing for Team A
regardless of what they're getting paid, and they're not getting
playing time. Now, some of them have a delusion that
that they're not as good as they think they are.
So maybe they go to another school and they get
paid and they whether they play or not, they don't care.
And then you've got are some of those players drop
(06:05):
down a class instead of playing in Conference USA or
the American Conference, they go into Division two, or they
go into the NAIA, or they go someplace else where
they can actually play in that situation. If they actually
end up going to a school that's not a Division
one school, then maybe there's no buyout necessary.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
A lot of players come.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
To a school thinking that they're the best thing that's
ever happened, and they realize quickly how good they're not.
But I do think in order to I think it
would prevent a lot of schools from taking a shot
at somebody or stashing players so they don't have to
play against them. I'll give you another example. PJ Carter
was on the UTSA team last year. He goes to
(06:47):
Memphis this year and I don't know what he got paid,
but it was substantially more than UTSA could afford to
pay him.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Now he's in the transfer portal again.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now the speculation is is that Penny didn't think he
was as good as he was. It's okay, if you
get in the portal, go find someplace else. We're not
giving you an all money next year. Or it could
be he played well enough that instead of playing for Memphis,
he could go play for Troy, and Troy would say, well,
this would be one of the best players in our
league if he was on our team. But he's the
eighth or ninth guy at Memphis. Is he worth sixty thousand?
(07:18):
But if Troy's got to pay Memphis in order to
get him, then they may think twice about whether they
want him or not. So I think in order to
make it fair, I agree with Jim Or we need
to change the dates and make them all April dates.
You can't get in the portal until the until the
NCAA tournament is over and then number two. I think
(07:40):
we got to sign contracts and number and have buyouts.
Whether you transfer once twice, three times sitting out, he
is not going to hold up in court, and nobody
wants to fight that battle.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I'm just gonna go ahead and say, Jimmerferdeck clearly listens
to us, because that's everything that you just said.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
That he said is everything we've been saying for like
what the past about two weeks, two or three weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I would say even longer, but I mean, I'm I
would be on board with it in favor of it.
I mean we when we talk to Coach Claunch and
coach and Coach Trailer and even Coach Aston as well.
Is as much as we want to blame the kids,
it's not the kid's fault. It's the administrations. It's it's
(08:25):
the way that the academic Like you mentioned, the calendars
don't match. The calendars don't match as much as we want.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Especially the football calendar. The basketball calendar would be easy
to match. Just have it after the tournament. The kids
are still in school in April, yes, and they and
they still have to take finals in May and they
can go to the next school in June or go
to get to summer school by you know, June fifteenth
or whenever summer school starts. It's the football calendar that's
messed up because we're having players transfer in December so
(08:52):
they can sign up on January seventeenth when we still
have games going.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
The big thing that I'm that I'm in is the
original I guess you could say penalty for transferring, which
they got rid of, is if you transfer so many times. Okay,
clearly you're only in it for the money, which that's fine,
but you have to know that you're not going to
be playing for X amount of games. But then that's
(09:18):
where you get into the question. Yeah, we're not getting
directing the trade or whatever. But I'm all in favor
of contracts, and I truly believe that in the next
ten years, probably five ten years, we're gonna get to
that point to where, and I bring it up all
the time, is there are no longer going.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
To be student athletes or athletes students.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's just going to be the football players, the ones
that are getting the hundreds of thousands of million dollar contracts.
They're not going to be students. They are just going
to be employees of said university.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What do you think.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I don't know if it's ever been publicized, but what
is quinn yours in il deal?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Four million dollars?
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Well, I know when he went to Ohio State it
was reportedly a million.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Right in Texas maybe more allegedly. No, no, no, no, when
he originally.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Went, but when he came back to Texas, when he
came back, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Okay, But here's the thing is I mean, I think
arch is getting four yeah, but he's He's Arch is
a true nil deal. He's doing endorsements, he's not getting
he's not getting basically handed money to nothing. He has
to actually do a commercial every now and then, as
Coyn did. But there's players out there that are just
(10:34):
going to get paid just to play on the team,
whether they do any extracurricular activity, whether they show up
at a birthday party, whether they do anything for the collective.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The revenue shares just.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Okay, you got a scholarship and you got free room
and board. Oh and here's twenty five thousand more or
two hundred and fifty thousand more, depending on what your
status is. But last year, Jeff Traylor mentioned at a
Quarterback Club event that the highest paid player was thirty
six thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That was Joe what Joe Evans got.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
He turned down five hundred and seventy five from Miami
and they begged him to go.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
They it was in his best interest to leave.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
But so thirty six thousand is what UTSA could pay
its highest player. Well, Memphis is paying players a million
dollars and two million dollars and three million dollars because
they've got FedEx and South Florida and Tulane have have
these huge collectives because of the infrastructure in their cities,
and they're paying players more. I think conferences have to
have a I don't know if you First of all,
(11:31):
they're going to have a revenue sharing cap because every
team's going to be around three hundred around three million.
But I think every team needs to have a collective
cap as well, because otherwise you're going to be very
top heavy. How does Temple compete with with Memphis. It's
hard enough for UTSA in the seventh largest city in America.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
To compete with them. Temple's not doing it.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
They're like the fiftieth most important sporting event in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
And I think Charlotte is in the same boat.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
And Boca Ratona is a really rich community, but more
people care about their Bentley than they do about the
FAU basketball or football teams, So we got to get
that balance. But I think Jimmer's got some good ideas there,
all right. Coming up next, we got some NFL news
to get to and we'll talk about that next. It's
the Indie Everette Show on the tickets
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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