June 18, 2025 • 8 mins
Tensions rise in the Indiana Fever vs. Connecticut Sun.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Caitlin Clark was playing basketball last night and then she
got poked in the eye, and then she got run over,
and then Sophia Cunningham made sure she closedlined a player
going to the basket in their in their game last night.
I don't think this is the way that the w
n b A wants business to be conducted. And Stephanie
(00:27):
white Wash was quite adamant last night about they need
to start calling fouls, uh before it gets further out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And but Caitlin Clark has kind of taking the high
road on all of this, and I think it's uh,
you know, it's pretty cool that she just goes back
out there about her business and takes care of playing
basketball and making three pointers. And she's turning into the
player that most people thought she would be.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh. And this was this game last night was against
A Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's a lot of a lot of animosity between those
two teams for a number of reasons.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But they do have Sophia.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Sophie Cunningham is now a part of the Fever, a
player they got this year. And as I said last hour,
when she was six years old, Cord this is what
Colin had to say, today.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I didn't research this. I just took his word for it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Probably a dangerous thing to do, but apparently she won
some black belt competition when she was six years old
in karate.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So they now have their enforcer to.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Protect Kaitlin Clark against anyone that's going to try anything.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I would.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I would at this point. You know, Kaitlin Clark is
doing she's being professional. Like I said, when it comes
to Angel Resent or anybody else, she's just hey, it's
a basketball player or whatever. Things are gonna things are
gonna happen and things like that. I would really love
her at this point kind of try to be a
little bit of the villain and be like all right,
y'all are going to be this way and go Ricky
(01:57):
Henderson and just be third person Kitln.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's gonna score thirty on you.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, Kaitlyn's gonna drop forty. Yeah you want to, you
wanna pot Kaitlyn in the eye. Kaitlyn's gonna drop fitty
on you now.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, it's too bad Ricky Henderson's not still alive. He
could give her some advice on how to how to
go third person.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That would be hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Just yeah, yeah, we should DM her and say starting
starting doing interviews in third person like Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Would be funny, that would just I can just imagine it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But again this is again if they if if is
it Kathy Ingle, bri Engilbert Ingelbert, the commissioner of the
w n B A if she listened to us more often,
you know, we give her good ideas, You give her
good ideas how to run the league and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Director of common sense.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, there is a way that this doesn't happen almost
every single game or once a week or something like that,
because this is this is the negative side that you
don't want your league to get recognition for. Is oh, well,
player X just to you know, sucker punch, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It's no. You want to be able to see hey
again the other day.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Angel Reese gets her first career triple double, Caitlin Clark
is back drops thirty or whatever, Breonna Stewart in the
in the New York Liberty or winning so many games.
You want it to be the positive side. You want
that to be your leading story. Not a fight, not
a scrum or an altercation.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There are the The WNBA has been around since nineteen
ninety seven. Yeah, and I've had several conversations with trainers, coaches,
players who I talk about can get Will the game
ever be vertical? Shaquille O'Neil once said they should lower
the goal to nine and a half feet so the
players would dunk. But the players still don't have the
(03:48):
upper body strength or that matter of the lower body
strength to elevate to that level and play the game vertically.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad game. It has
played with a ton of fundamentals. It is played with precision,
and when you have the best basketball athletes in the
world playing it as you do in the WNBA, I
think it is It may be a throwback to an
(04:10):
older age of men's basketball, when people played below the
rim and played fundamentally, but it's done with athleticism because
you see the ball movement, you see the screenings. And
I've always thought this about the overwhelming majority of people
who call themselves basketball fans. There's two types of basketball fans.
About thirty percent of them are basketball people, they just
(04:32):
love the nuances of the game. But about seventy percent
of the fans are personality driven. Personality driven fans and
that's why Indiana and Oklahoma City are having terrible television
ratings except in Indianapolis and in Oklahoma City, where they're
just in Oklahoma, Indiana, they're off the charts. And I
(04:52):
would imagine San Antonio being really is usually high up
in the ratings anyway when it comes to the finals.
And so you have the basketball purists that are still
watching the games no matter who's playing. But because there's
no drama between Shay and Halliburton and those guys, and
there's just not a lot of controversial things going on,
(05:13):
you're going to get lower ratings. And if you go
back and look at the WNBA every year, it's gotten
a little bit better in terms of athleticism, in terms
of being able to score points, the movement of the game.
They went from halves to quarters about two or three
or four years into the league. That was a much
better situation for them. It's always been, it's always evolved
(05:36):
into something better than it was. Yes, Asia Wilson was
a great player before Caitlyn Clark got there and nobody noticed.
But guess what, Becky Hammond and Vicki Johnson were terrific
players in the mid two thousands, early two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, and not a lot of people cared.
I remember a game against Sacramento where we had sixteen
thousand people in the AT and T Center. It was
(05:57):
amazing and the game was amazing, and the Stars won
it in the last seconds of the game. It's a
playoff game, but people said, yeah, it's a WNBA because
of the physicality of the NBA that physiologically women don't
do as much as guys do. That's one of the
reasons why guys were turned off on it, and a
(06:20):
lot of women basketball fans will typically watch the men
play before they'll watch the women. But what Caitlin Clark
has done is get more and more guys to watch
the game and more and more women to watch the game.
If you go back from ninety seven to twenty twenty three,
before she came into the league, I would say that
the number one fan of the WNBA were NBA players.
(06:45):
I never went to an NBAWNBA game that there usually
was it multiple NBA players from that city or other
cities watching those WNBA games. There was always Lakers watching
the Sparks. There was Spurs players watching the Stars. Before
the Sonics went to Oklahoma City. There were Sonics players
and Russell Wilson sitting in the front row at a
Storm game. But what Caitlin Clark did was bring everybody
(07:08):
else to the forefront. And a lot of those veteran
players are saying, well, we told you our game was good.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It took her to get you here.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It doesn't matter what it took to get you there.
Embrace the fact that they're there, because if she goes away,
as we've noticed the three weeks that she was on
the injured list, then the fans go away. She is
she is becoming the needle of the w NBA.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Again, why should it matter at this point? Is is
she's the reason that we're watching. Yeah, so be grateful
that we're watching now, so now we can actually watch
some of these other players. That's the thing. But again
we go back to like how you said, because you
have four daughters, pettiness.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the pettiness of some of these these women.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well there, it's just it's it's I've always said this.
Guys can get in a fistfight at lunch and be
drinking beers together at five o'clock in the afternoon, if
not sooner.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh, Yeah, the other day you were twoing my head
off for a ten minutes and then minutes later after that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
All right, girls can look crossways with somebody and not
talk to the other person.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
For two months, if forever.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And it's just it's a different thing, and it's I'm
certainly being generalizations here, but I've had plenty of examples
of generalizations over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah. I could yell at Shane right now and then
at the end of the show would be like, all right, dude,
have a good one, see you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
All right, let's talk about some college stuff, including Pat
Hallmark's deal and the Florida schools have made a decision
on how much they're paying athletes on the tickets
Caitlin Clark was playing basketball last night and then she
got poked in the eye, and then she got run over,
and then Sophia Cunningham made sure she closedlined a player
going to the basket in their in their game last night.
I don't think this is the way that the w
n b A wants business to be conducted. And Stephanie
(00:27):
white Wash was quite adamant last night about they need
to start calling fouls, uh before it gets further out
of hand.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And but Caitlin Clark has kind of taking the high
road on all of this, and I think it's uh,
you know, it's pretty cool that she just goes back
out there about her business and takes care of playing
basketball and making three pointers. And she's turning into the
player that most people thought she would be.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh. And this was this game last night was against
A Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's a lot of a lot of animosity between those
two teams for a number of reasons.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But they do have Sophia.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Sophie Cunningham is now a part of the Fever, a
player they got this year. And as I said last hour,
when she was six years old, Cord this is what
Colin had to say, today.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I didn't research this. I just took his word for it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Probably a dangerous thing to do, but apparently she won
some black belt competition when she was six years old
in karate.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So they now have their enforcer to.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Protect Kaitlin Clark against anyone that's going to try anything.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I would.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I would at this point. You know, Kaitlin Clark is
doing she's being professional. Like I said, when it comes
to Angel Resent or anybody else, she's just hey, it's
a basketball player or whatever. Things are gonna things are
gonna happen and things like that. I would really love
her at this point kind of try to be a
little bit of the villain and be like all right,
y'all are going to be this way and go Ricky
(01:57):
Henderson and just be third person Kitln.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
It's gonna score thirty on you.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, Kaitlyn's gonna drop forty. Yeah you want to, you
wanna pot Kaitlyn in the eye. Kaitlyn's gonna drop fitty
on you now.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, it's too bad Ricky Henderson's not still alive. He
could give her some advice on how to how to
go third person.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That would be hilarious.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Just yeah, yeah, we should DM her and say starting
starting doing interviews in third person like Ricky Henderson.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Would be funny, that would just I can just imagine it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But again this is again if they if if is
it Kathy Ingle, bri Engilbert Ingelbert, the commissioner of the
w n B A if she listened to us more often,
you know, we give her good ideas, You give her
good ideas how to run the league and things like that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Director of common sense.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, there is a way that this doesn't happen almost
every single game or once a week or something like that,
because this is this is the negative side that you
don't want your league to get recognition for. Is oh, well,
player X just to you know, sucker punch, Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It's no. You want to be able to see hey
again the other day.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Angel Reese gets her first career triple double, Caitlin Clark
is back drops thirty or whatever, Breonna Stewart in the
in the New York Liberty or winning so many games.
You want it to be the positive side. You want
that to be your leading story. Not a fight, not
a scrum or an altercation.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
There are the The WNBA has been around since nineteen
ninety seven. Yeah, and I've had several conversations with trainers, coaches,
players who I talk about can get Will the game
ever be vertical? Shaquille O'Neil once said they should lower
the goal to nine and a half feet so the
players would dunk. But the players still don't have the
(03:48):
upper body strength or that matter of the lower body
strength to elevate to that level and play the game vertically.
But that doesn't mean it's a bad game. It has
played with a ton of fundamentals. It is played with precision,
and when you have the best basketball athletes in the
world playing it as you do in the WNBA, I
think it is It may be a throwback to an
(04:10):
older age of men's basketball, when people played below the
rim and played fundamentally, but it's done with athleticism because
you see the ball movement, you see the screenings. And
I've always thought this about the overwhelming majority of people
who call themselves basketball fans. There's two types of basketball fans.
About thirty percent of them are basketball people, they just
(04:32):
love the nuances of the game. But about seventy percent
of the fans are personality driven. Personality driven fans and
that's why Indiana and Oklahoma City are having terrible television
ratings except in Indianapolis and in Oklahoma City, where they're
just in Oklahoma, Indiana, they're off the charts. And I
(04:52):
would imagine San Antonio being really is usually high up
in the ratings anyway when it comes to the finals.
And so you have the basketball purists that are still
watching the games no matter who's playing. But because there's
no drama between Shay and Halliburton and those guys, and
there's just not a lot of controversial things going on,
(05:13):
you're going to get lower ratings. And if you go
back and look at the WNBA every year, it's gotten
a little bit better in terms of athleticism, in terms
of being able to score points, the movement of the game.
They went from halves to quarters about two or three
or four years into the league. That was a much
better situation for them. It's always been, it's always evolved
(05:36):
into something better than it was. Yes, Asia Wilson was
a great player before Caitlyn Clark got there and nobody noticed.
But guess what, Becky Hammond and Vicki Johnson were terrific
players in the mid two thousands, early two thousand and eight,
two thousand and nine, and not a lot of people cared.
I remember a game against Sacramento where we had sixteen
thousand people in the AT and T Center. It was
(05:57):
amazing and the game was amazing, and the Stars won
it in the last seconds of the game. It's a
playoff game, but people said, yeah, it's a WNBA because
of the physicality of the NBA that physiologically women don't
do as much as guys do. That's one of the
reasons why guys were turned off on it, and a
(06:20):
lot of women basketball fans will typically watch the men
play before they'll watch the women. But what Caitlin Clark
has done is get more and more guys to watch
the game and more and more women to watch the game.
If you go back from ninety seven to twenty twenty three,
before she came into the league, I would say that
the number one fan of the WNBA were NBA players.
(06:45):
I never went to an NBAWNBA game that there usually
was it multiple NBA players from that city or other
cities watching those WNBA games. There was always Lakers watching
the Sparks. There was Spurs players watching the Stars. Before
the Sonics went to Oklahoma City. There were Sonics players
and Russell Wilson sitting in the front row at a
Storm game. But what Caitlin Clark did was bring everybody
(07:08):
else to the forefront. And a lot of those veteran
players are saying, well, we told you our game was good.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It took her to get you here.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It doesn't matter what it took to get you there.
Embrace the fact that they're there, because if she goes away,
as we've noticed the three weeks that she was on
the injured list, then the fans go away. She is
she is becoming the needle of the w NBA.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Again, why should it matter at this point? Is is
she's the reason that we're watching. Yeah, so be grateful
that we're watching now, so now we can actually watch
some of these other players. That's the thing. But again
we go back to like how you said, because you
have four daughters, pettiness.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the pettiness of some of these these women.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Well there, it's just it's it's I've always said this.
Guys can get in a fistfight at lunch and be
drinking beers together at five o'clock in the afternoon, if
not sooner.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Oh, Yeah, the other day you were twoing my head
off for a ten minutes and then minutes later after that.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
All right, girls can look crossways with somebody and not
talk to the other person.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
For two months, if forever.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And it's just it's a different thing, and it's I'm
certainly being generalizations here, but I've had plenty of examples
of generalizations over the years.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah. I could yell at Shane right now and then
at the end of the show would be like, all right, dude,
have a good one, see you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, we're good, We're good.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
All right, let's talk about some college stuff, including Pat
Hallmark's deal and the Florida schools have made a decision
on how much they're paying athletes on the tickets
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