July 9, 2025 • 11 mins
Andy has more to say on his views on culture vs money in college athletics.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Talking about the comments Dion Sanders made today at the
Big twelve media session going on this week up in
Frisco and saying that he would like to see a
salary cap for college sports, and I think we all
would like that. But because there is no rules in place,
and you can't have rules because of anti trust legislation,
then until we get that, you can't make rules because
(00:27):
they're all not enforceable in a court. If somebody wants
to make more than what you're saying that they can make,
you don't have a choice until you get some rules
in place that can hold up with a lawsuit. So
I think the other thing that Dion said and that
you have to put in is when somebody's paying twenty
five to thirty million for a freshman class, and I
(00:49):
think you put the word freshmen in air quotes because
that's not what the Power four schools are doing. Power
for schools especially, but even the non Power for schools
are all poaching each other's place because everybody in the
Power four is not equal. Amongst all Power four teams, Texas, Georgia,
(01:09):
OU Alabama, Florida, Georgia, maybe Tennessee have a huge advantage
over South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, et cetera. In
the Big twelve, Texas Tech has made it very clear
that we're going to have We're going to spend the
most money. And now it's going to be up to
bring them young into Colorado, into Arizona and Arizona State
(01:31):
and everybody else to see if they can outspend them.
And if they can't, or if there's not a cap
at some point, then it's going to be difficult.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They're going to steal each other's players.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Now, Listen, I think that there's coaches that create great culture,
but culture only goes so far.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And we've talked many times.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think what we're seeing at UTSA is an according
to Hoyle miracle basically because there is something in the
air out there that just says, I'm not leading Jeff
Traylor and I've never seen this phenomenon. How I mean,
I know that people don't like this comparison because they're
(02:10):
two completely different human beings. Uh and and but when
I was in college, I got to stay, I got
to be around Barry Switzer a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well you shouldn't, because if you were around him, too.
You would have been you would have had you would
have had the same kool aid experience. He had this
personality amongst young kids. And listen, I was in college
when jimil Holloway was in college, and Spencer Tillman was
in college, and Bosworth and Casillas and all those guys,
we're all in the same same age.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And the ara that he carried himself with his remembering
who you were all the time, it created a culture
where you didn't ever want to let him down. And
I remember, on probably three or four different occasions, I
would be out, We'd be going out to a restaurant
(03:03):
with my friends with a group of people, and Barry
would be in the in the bar by himself, and
he would recognize me and acknowledge me in front of them,
and you would have thought that I was like royalty
because the King of Oklahoma acknowledged who I was. And
I would and I wouldn't even I would be like
(03:23):
at the door with my back turn and he'd go
hey Andy, and I go, oh, hey, coach, how's going.
And everybody that's around me has just got their tongues because.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Jesus has basically just come down from the Mount.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I get that, you know, but and it's completely different
with Jeff, But just this, you know, you have a
five minute conversation with him, and I'm sixty years old,
and I'm like, put me in the game, coach, let's go.
And and I think that there are players on this town. No,
there are players on this team that could have got
paid a lot more to go someplace else. And that
(03:57):
is the amazing exception to the culture that he is created.
So if you are the fourth wide receiver at UT
and SMU is going to pay you a million dollars
to leave Texas and go to SMU because they've got
that much money, can Steve's Sarkisian's culture keep that guy
(04:19):
there just because it's Steve's Sarkisian.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Maybe he can. Maybe can.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't know, but I do know that if somebody
is getting is offered thirty grand or forty grand or
one hundred grand and they can live without the money,
they're choosing the culture. But that's really really rare. And
I think we're going to continue to see this. And
that's why I hope that when they create whatever rules
they create, once anti trust exemption is in place, and
(04:48):
I think it will eventually be I don't know how
long it's going to take, but that's what that's going
to save college football and college sports is to have
anti trust exemption. But once that's in place, we have
to make it to where once an athlete signs an agreement,
they can leave, but they got to there have to
be buyouts. And if you are if you're a point
(05:09):
guard or a quarterback or a wide receiver or whatever,
and you sign an nil deal with the school, and
we're gonna pay you X amount of money over one year,
two years, three years, whatever the contract is that you
agree on. Want to sign a one year deal, We'll
sign a one year deal. But if you leave before
your contract is up, then you have to pay a
(05:30):
portion of that contract or all of that contract back.
So if I give you four years in five hundred
grand to come to school a and after the second
year somebody else wants to pay you more, okay, then
you wwt me two hundred fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Gonna or I don't have to pay you that, or
the contract ends when you leave, or there's but I
still think there has to be a little bit of
a buyout too. I may pay you one hundred and
twenty five one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and
twenty five, but oh by the way, if you quit
in the middle of this, you got to pay me
something back of the two fifty I've already given you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And that's because that's what the coaches have to do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
If if Mike Elko leaves Texas A and M to
go someplace else, Texas A and M either gets money
from Mike Elko or the school that's coaching him, or
for any other coach, there's always a buyout to get
the coach that's under contract. So if you sign a
four year deal with me for security and somebody offers
you more, that's great. But I get a percentage of
(06:26):
the more so that I can go out and replace
you with someone else. And listen, I'm starting to see
and we'll get into this when we get closer to
the basketball season. But for example, UTSA basketball last year
had fourteen new faces on their roster. I think they're
going to have eleven or twelve new faces on their
roster this year. And from all that I can gather,
(06:47):
these are really good players. Some have come from schools
where they can get to play. Some have come from
power for schools. I think there's a couple of major
college basketball players that are coming. The problem is is,
no matter how good they are, they've got a mesh
with another team, and they've got thirteen games in the
non conference season to do that before it matters as
(07:07):
to whether they're going to go to the NC DOUBLEA
Tournament or not, because it's your conference season and your
conference tournament. So if you can get you or maybe
it's thirty games. Once you play your thirty games, if
you can make a run in the tournament and you're in,
well okay, well next year we're gonna startle over again.
It's kind of like getting junior college players. About the
time that you've got them all mesh together and you're
(07:27):
ready to really have a roster that you can build
on for a long time, their eligibility runs out, and
in this case in basketball, especially about the time that
they're all playing together and getting good, it's the NC
DOUBLEA Tournament and if you didn't make it, well, there's
twenty five other schools that are going to outbid you
for those players. And so yeah, you can leave, but
you got to pay to leave. Just like a coach
(07:48):
has to pay to leave. And that's what I think
Dion's getting at, and he's one hundred percent right. But
I wish that somebody at the NC DOUBLEA and the
guy that runs it used to be a congressmen I
think are pretty high up in the government. He needs
to find somebody and go, guys, we need our anti
trust exemption and we needed it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know, when you're talking about like how you're trying
to compare a little bit too with with uh Switzer
and with with Coach Traylor is and I get, I
get the comparison. Is the one thing that Coach Traylor
talks about is when he's going into a living room
or going to meet the parents of a particular player
that he wants to recruit, he is instilling the trust
(08:31):
saying I am going to be in charge of your child,
I am going to look out for your child. I
am going to treat him as if he is my
own child. And that's the same the same feeling or
aora that I get to when you talk about with
with with Barry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Switzerland, and especially especially with Barry Switzer, because he grew
up in a very poor part of of of Arkansas,
and he was around a lot of African American families
and he understood their plight, and he was he was
the first, one of the first people in the Old
Big Eight and Oklahoma was one of the first schools
to start to incorporate African American players on their rosters.
(09:07):
And he can speak their language. He understood what was
going on, and he was a He never thought he
was too big for it exactly. He always was able
to go to a mother like the best example of
that is when he was recruiting Ricky Dixon in Dallas,
and all Ricky Dixon's mom had ever heard is Barry
Switzer's a drunk. He likes to womanize, he has affairs.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He's not a good guy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And so the first thing he did when he when
she opened the door, as he said, are you cooking
sweet potato pie? And Ricky Dixon's mother said, what would
you know about about sweet potato pie? And he said, well,
I think my friend in Arkansas has the best. I
won't know unless I taste yours invitation to come in
and taste the sweet potato pie. And ten minutes later,
(09:53):
Ricky Dixon was going to you, Yeah, well, and that's
the and I don't and Jeff's not the Jeff's a
lot different. It's a completely but it's a culture that
you create that creates an environment where people want to
be a part of that environment.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Just being able to connect with those people.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The one thing that you know, I know you appreciate,
but also couldn't stand was Mac Brown. You know, anytime
mack Brown would talk, it was as if he was
talking streets, yes into your soul.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It was like, I'm gonna go play for that guy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Mac Brown is the best ever at end of quarter,
end of half interviews because he would get up Aaron
Andrews would walk up to him and he would say
Aaron and talk to Aaron like it was the recruit
that he was getting to recruit. He'd look in that
camera and he'd tell that guy in the couch, it
wasn't we need to play better in the second half,
it's you need to come and help me on this team.
(10:43):
He was talking to recruits and he figured that out
and he was He's one of the few people that
ever embraced that and did it better than everybody else.
But when but when mac Brown said, you know, come early,
where Bern Oraine screamed out, and tell all your friends
to show up too, because people were not going to
UT games for a while before he got there. He
created a culture that people wanted to be a part of,
(11:05):
regardless of whether they were getting paid or not. And
it's very unique when you get that coach, and it's
very unique when when you have that kind of charisma
and the people just want to be a part of it.
And I don't know how how how Barry did it,
and I don't know how Jeff does it, but they
did it, and they did they did it differently, but
(11:25):
did it the same at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Big Red and Barbacoa, Sir, That's how Coach Trayler does it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think it's way more than that, all right, Los
Palopus as well as Luke Cornett will soon find out.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Emirates Cup News if you care. Next, it's the Andy
Everage Show on the ticket.
Talking about the comments Dion Sanders made today at the
Big twelve media session going on this week up in
Frisco and saying that he would like to see a
salary cap for college sports, and I think we all
would like that. But because there is no rules in place,
and you can't have rules because of anti trust legislation,
then until we get that, you can't make rules because
(00:27):
they're all not enforceable in a court. If somebody wants
to make more than what you're saying that they can make,
you don't have a choice until you get some rules
in place that can hold up with a lawsuit. So
I think the other thing that Dion said and that
you have to put in is when somebody's paying twenty
five to thirty million for a freshman class, and I
(00:49):
think you put the word freshmen in air quotes because
that's not what the Power four schools are doing. Power
for schools especially, but even the non Power for schools
are all poaching each other's place because everybody in the
Power four is not equal. Amongst all Power four teams, Texas, Georgia,
(01:09):
OU Alabama, Florida, Georgia, maybe Tennessee have a huge advantage
over South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, et cetera. In
the Big twelve, Texas Tech has made it very clear
that we're going to have We're going to spend the
most money. And now it's going to be up to
bring them young into Colorado, into Arizona and Arizona State
(01:31):
and everybody else to see if they can outspend them.
And if they can't, or if there's not a cap
at some point, then it's going to be difficult.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
They're going to steal each other's players.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Now, Listen, I think that there's coaches that create great culture,
but culture only goes so far.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
And we've talked many times.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think what we're seeing at UTSA is an according
to Hoyle miracle basically because there is something in the
air out there that just says, I'm not leading Jeff
Traylor and I've never seen this phenomenon. How I mean,
I know that people don't like this comparison because they're
(02:10):
two completely different human beings. Uh and and but when
I was in college, I got to stay, I got
to be around Barry Switzer a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I feel sorry for you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well you shouldn't, because if you were around him, too.
You would have been you would have had you would
have had the same kool aid experience. He had this
personality amongst young kids. And listen, I was in college
when jimil Holloway was in college, and Spencer Tillman was
in college, and Bosworth and Casillas and all those guys,
we're all in the same same age.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
And the ara that he carried himself with his remembering
who you were all the time, it created a culture
where you didn't ever want to let him down. And
I remember, on probably three or four different occasions, I
would be out, We'd be going out to a restaurant
(03:03):
with my friends with a group of people, and Barry
would be in the in the bar by himself, and
he would recognize me and acknowledge me in front of them,
and you would have thought that I was like royalty
because the King of Oklahoma acknowledged who I was. And
I would and I wouldn't even I would be like
(03:23):
at the door with my back turn and he'd go
hey Andy, and I go, oh, hey, coach, how's going.
And everybody that's around me has just got their tongues because.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Jesus has basically just come down from the Mount.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
I get that, you know, but and it's completely different
with Jeff, But just this, you know, you have a
five minute conversation with him, and I'm sixty years old,
and I'm like, put me in the game, coach, let's go.
And and I think that there are players on this town. No,
there are players on this team that could have got
paid a lot more to go someplace else. And that
(03:57):
is the amazing exception to the culture that he is created.
So if you are the fourth wide receiver at UT
and SMU is going to pay you a million dollars
to leave Texas and go to SMU because they've got
that much money, can Steve's Sarkisian's culture keep that guy
(04:19):
there just because it's Steve's Sarkisian.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Maybe he can. Maybe can.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I don't know, but I do know that if somebody
is getting is offered thirty grand or forty grand or
one hundred grand and they can live without the money,
they're choosing the culture. But that's really really rare. And
I think we're going to continue to see this. And
that's why I hope that when they create whatever rules
they create, once anti trust exemption is in place, and
(04:48):
I think it will eventually be I don't know how
long it's going to take, but that's what that's going
to save college football and college sports is to have
anti trust exemption. But once that's in place, we have
to make it to where once an athlete signs an agreement,
they can leave, but they got to there have to
be buyouts. And if you are if you're a point
(05:09):
guard or a quarterback or a wide receiver or whatever,
and you sign an nil deal with the school, and
we're gonna pay you X amount of money over one year,
two years, three years, whatever the contract is that you
agree on. Want to sign a one year deal, We'll
sign a one year deal. But if you leave before
your contract is up, then you have to pay a
(05:30):
portion of that contract or all of that contract back.
So if I give you four years in five hundred
grand to come to school a and after the second
year somebody else wants to pay you more, okay, then
you wwt me two hundred fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Gonna or I don't have to pay you that, or
the contract ends when you leave, or there's but I
still think there has to be a little bit of
a buyout too. I may pay you one hundred and
twenty five one hundred and twenty five, one hundred and
twenty five, but oh by the way, if you quit
in the middle of this, you got to pay me
something back of the two fifty I've already given you.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And that's because that's what the coaches have to do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
If if Mike Elko leaves Texas A and M to
go someplace else, Texas A and M either gets money
from Mike Elko or the school that's coaching him, or
for any other coach, there's always a buyout to get
the coach that's under contract. So if you sign a
four year deal with me for security and somebody offers
you more, that's great. But I get a percentage of
(06:26):
the more so that I can go out and replace
you with someone else. And listen, I'm starting to see
and we'll get into this when we get closer to
the basketball season. But for example, UTSA basketball last year
had fourteen new faces on their roster. I think they're
going to have eleven or twelve new faces on their
roster this year. And from all that I can gather,
(06:47):
these are really good players. Some have come from schools
where they can get to play. Some have come from
power for schools. I think there's a couple of major
college basketball players that are coming. The problem is is,
no matter how good they are, they've got a mesh
with another team, and they've got thirteen games in the
non conference season to do that before it matters as
(07:07):
to whether they're going to go to the NC DOUBLEA
Tournament or not, because it's your conference season and your
conference tournament. So if you can get you or maybe
it's thirty games. Once you play your thirty games, if
you can make a run in the tournament and you're in,
well okay, well next year we're gonna startle over again.
It's kind of like getting junior college players. About the
time that you've got them all mesh together and you're
(07:27):
ready to really have a roster that you can build
on for a long time, their eligibility runs out, and
in this case in basketball, especially about the time that
they're all playing together and getting good, it's the NC
DOUBLEA Tournament and if you didn't make it, well, there's
twenty five other schools that are going to outbid you
for those players. And so yeah, you can leave, but
you got to pay to leave. Just like a coach
(07:48):
has to pay to leave. And that's what I think
Dion's getting at, and he's one hundred percent right. But
I wish that somebody at the NC DOUBLEA and the
guy that runs it used to be a congressmen I
think are pretty high up in the government. He needs
to find somebody and go, guys, we need our anti
trust exemption and we needed it yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know, when you're talking about like how you're trying
to compare a little bit too with with uh Switzer
and with with Coach Traylor is and I get, I
get the comparison. Is the one thing that Coach Traylor
talks about is when he's going into a living room
or going to meet the parents of a particular player
that he wants to recruit, he is instilling the trust
(08:31):
saying I am going to be in charge of your child,
I am going to look out for your child. I
am going to treat him as if he is my
own child. And that's the same the same feeling or
aora that I get to when you talk about with
with with Barry.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Switzerland, and especially especially with Barry Switzer, because he grew
up in a very poor part of of of Arkansas,
and he was around a lot of African American families
and he understood their plight, and he was he was
the first, one of the first people in the Old
Big Eight and Oklahoma was one of the first schools
to start to incorporate African American players on their rosters.
(09:07):
And he can speak their language. He understood what was
going on, and he was a He never thought he
was too big for it exactly. He always was able
to go to a mother like the best example of
that is when he was recruiting Ricky Dixon in Dallas,
and all Ricky Dixon's mom had ever heard is Barry
Switzer's a drunk. He likes to womanize, he has affairs.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He's not a good guy.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And so the first thing he did when he when
she opened the door, as he said, are you cooking
sweet potato pie? And Ricky Dixon's mother said, what would
you know about about sweet potato pie? And he said, well,
I think my friend in Arkansas has the best. I
won't know unless I taste yours invitation to come in
and taste the sweet potato pie. And ten minutes later,
(09:53):
Ricky Dixon was going to you, Yeah, well, and that's
the and I don't and Jeff's not the Jeff's a
lot different. It's a completely but it's a culture that
you create that creates an environment where people want to
be a part of that environment.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Just being able to connect with those people.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The one thing that you know, I know you appreciate,
but also couldn't stand was Mac Brown. You know, anytime
mack Brown would talk, it was as if he was
talking streets, yes into your soul.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It was like, I'm gonna go play for that guy.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Mac Brown is the best ever at end of quarter,
end of half interviews because he would get up Aaron
Andrews would walk up to him and he would say
Aaron and talk to Aaron like it was the recruit
that he was getting to recruit. He'd look in that
camera and he'd tell that guy in the couch, it
wasn't we need to play better in the second half,
it's you need to come and help me on this team.
(10:43):
He was talking to recruits and he figured that out
and he was He's one of the few people that
ever embraced that and did it better than everybody else.
But when but when mac Brown said, you know, come early,
where Bern Oraine screamed out, and tell all your friends
to show up too, because people were not going to
UT games for a while before he got there. He
created a culture that people wanted to be a part of,
(11:05):
regardless of whether they were getting paid or not. And
it's very unique when you get that coach, and it's
very unique when when you have that kind of charisma
and the people just want to be a part of it.
And I don't know how how how Barry did it,
and I don't know how Jeff does it, but they
did it, and they did they did it differently, but
(11:25):
did it the same at the same time.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Big Red and Barbacoa, Sir, That's how Coach Trayler does it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think it's way more than that, all right, Los
Palopus as well as Luke Cornett will soon find out.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Emirates Cup News if you care. Next, it's the Andy
Everage Show on the ticket.
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