October 16, 2025 • 24 mins
Aly’s friend just found out her boyfriend isn’t allowed at the wedding she’s in — all because they’re not married! Mike and Aly dive into the awkward invite rules and ask listeners: would you still go, or skip the wedding altogether?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You and your wife have been married for like seven
years now, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yep, but we were together. We've been together since two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Okay, that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Uh yeah, well easy, easy, I proposed an adequate amount
of time. All right, we'll suck to well love that.
But yes, so we were single for or like not
married for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
When you guys were dating, like not officially engaged, not
officially married, was there stuff that you had to miss
out on because you didn't have the piece of paper
saying like we're married. We lived together, We've committed our
lives together in a spiritual legal kind of way.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The biggest thing I can think of is when there
were like gatherings and she grew up.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In Owego, so it's like a drive to get there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So if you go to her family stuff and she
was it was like Christmas will say, and there was
an overnight she was going to stay out there, I
would either have to leave or sleep in a like
a weird room by myself, Like we couldn't sleep in
the same room, but I'd have to leave nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So then I'm driving all the way back.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So I didn't get to like experience Christmas Morning with
her for the longest time because her parents were very
particular about that. Yeah, which which is whatever, but that
was the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is like, you're not married yet.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, the holidays are tough even when you are married.
Just splitting the time up between the two families and
trying to find a schedule that works for everybody. That's hard.
But I have a friend who has been with her.
I don't know what to call him because they've been
together for so long that I'm like, he's not your boyfriend,
Like that doesn't feel like enough, you know, but he's
(01:34):
not your fiance or husband because they have no plans
of getting married. They're just gonna be together. Oh okay,
you know, for the rest of forever probably, So it's
like it's almost like life partner. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Common law is common law step When does that start?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I do we have that in Michigan. I think it's
like nine years or something like that. I don't know,
but they haven't been together quite a decade, but you know,
five six years at this point.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, And recently she was supposed to stand up in
a friend's wedding and that's a pretty big deal, right,
like you're involved in the actual day, Yeah, Bryan address,
and he was not invited. Why because they're not married.
That was like the specific reason that was given. You
(02:21):
guys are not married. We had to keep the guest
list like kind of you know, we can't invite everybody.
We've got a number in mind, which I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But she's not She's going to be at the main
table yep. And he's gonna be one person in any table.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it's not that he's not really taking up space
because they're not taking up two spots, they're really only
taking up one.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He could go to any table. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I just felt like that was so ridiculous, like
because you guys have been together for It's not like
he's been your boyfriend for two months, right, like this
you guys live together, you have a life together, like
you're you've taken in his children as your own, Like
this is a serious, serious relationship. But because the legality
(03:08):
of it wasn't there, Like it was wild to me.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I'm trying, yeah it is, and I'm trying to
think about how like the reasoning and maybe the spot
was the reasoning.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
The reasoning, so in.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
My in my now that I am married and my
wife and I have been married for for seven years,
we go on on trips with her family every year,
her my in laws for Christmas will basically get an
airbnb somewhere and we just got to figure out how
to get there, right, We've got to pay for all
that stuff. But like there's you know, uh, people in
(03:41):
our families, both or in her family that is, that
aren't married, and for the longest time, they weren't allowed
to come to this trip.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They're not allowed to come. It out and it's the
same situation.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's like we don't want you to sleeping in the
same bed, like it's it's just they're very particular about that,
and that's fine. But also I started to think about, like,
why wouldn't they you know, outside of that, why wouldn't
they want him to come that we do a big
group family picture. Oh so we all wear these matching
shirts and like it's a big group picture and they're
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they've never said this, so I don't know this to
be true, but like they would they wouldn't like we'd
have to cut them out of the picture if they
weren't there.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I don't know that that's the reason why.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think it's more of a like a religious reason,
which is again I don't I'm not saying anything bad about.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It, but and these types of events, it's like, Okay,
it's you're spending the money to do this, or you're
planning this, or it's your sort of yes, exactly party,
So it's your rules. And I do totally respect that,
Like when people plan a wedding and they have to
make rules like this, I do think it's kind of like,
you know what, it's your day, do whatever is going
to make you feel.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But do you think it has to do with that's
what I was getting. Do you think it has to
do with photos? Like she he would be in every
one of their biggest day of the year or ever
biggest one of the biggest days of their life photo.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If I'm close enough with someone where they're standing up
in my wedding, I probably know a little something about
their relationship. And you know, I know these people. I've
known these people since they started their relationship. Pretty safe
bet that you can put him in the photo. I
don't think. I don't know that the photo would have
been a reason why he I.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Got somebody in my wedding photos who is no longer
in our lives. But it doesn't hurt anything, it's not.
But we don't post anything that has that person in it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But just like people who are married can get divorced
and then all of a sudden, all of the family
photo like, that's.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
True, that's true, that's true, It's very true.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is being legally married enough of a reason to either
include someone or not include someone?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It very much feels and I don't know these people
that you're talking about, but it very much feels like
an excuse just to that let them cup.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But I don't know why that would be.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't either have you ever been uninvited or excluded
from something because you just like you weren't legally married
or you didn't meet the rules and regulations in your relationship?
Good morning be Natty three? Who's this? And where are
you from?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Jenny from Holland what's up?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Jenny uh So in.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
My wedding picture? So there are people in my wedding
picture that are no longer part of like our family.
And we asked, like my sister Grandma, who's like amazing
about this because she's very particular, like are you going
to be in our family, because like cousins had boyfriends
there and they were like yes, yes, yes, and two
(06:38):
months later they're gone. And it's the only picture we
were able to get of all of like the entire
family on my husband's side, like Grandma, Grandpa, all the aunts,
all the uncles, all the cousins, like, and we like,
we can't do that picture anymore now that people passed away.
And so that's where I'm like, yeah, like sometimes these
(07:00):
rules are like really im foreign to help. But at
the same time, I'm like, yeah, maybe if you have
that together that long, you're kind of stuck now.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It used to bug me, uh when I was first
dating my wife, because I'd have to step and not
bug me, but like I didn't understand it fully. I
used to have to step out of family photos or
step out of pictures, and then like there weren't a
lot of pictures of me at their family things. There
was a lot of pictures of everybody, but I was
always just kind of like not in it. And I
learned over the year, Oh, it's because like their grandfather was,
(07:32):
you know, was only going to be around for so
long and they wanted that moment with them and it
didn't didn't really matter that I wasn't in the picture.
But like if I had not been invited because of
those things, that would have been a big deal.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'd say I totally get that, and I think that's fine.
Like even if people are married legally into the family
and you just want to get like a family photo
with blood relatives or immediate family, like, I think that's
totally fine. I'd be happy to step out of the
way to do that. I just think like marriage as
a precursor, Like people can get divorced. It happens all
(08:07):
the time. Like that's not necessarily a fail safe to
like Okay, you're gonna be in this picture forever or
you're not invited to that, Like it just seems I know,
it's more official and more of a commitment than just dating.
But when you're together for like five or six years,
I'm like, okay, same difference.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, usually it means yeah, they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But you never know.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's why it feels like, that's why it feels like
in your situation, not you, but like the person you
know that there's something more there.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
There's something else.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, something we don't know, and I don't I don't
know fully what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well I may never know.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Thanks for the call this.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Morning, Jenny, Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Bye six one six two four two ninety three, ninety three.
Have you ever been excluded from something because you weren't married,
or maybe there's a crazier reason why you were excluded
from something.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I tried to exclude somebody from our wedding who was
not because they weren't married, but because they were a
wild card, and she ended up being She came because
I didn't have a choice. She ended up dressing and
wearing outfits that looked like she was in the wedding party,
(09:29):
but she was not in the wedding party. Like asked
in advance to Colors. We didn't think about it. She
put a dress on that looked almost like she was
in the wedding Like just what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And you saw that from a mile away, you were like,
this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Be I mean, you know when you could feel it,
you know, when there's like a while you there's a difference,
there's a difference, there's like silly you know, never know
what they're gonna say, and they're fun and they're they're spontaneous,
and then there's like, we might have a moment with
this person at our one day that's just a us, right,
the one moment that's just about us, and they may there.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And she just don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
She started a fight.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh, it was bad, It was bad, And my wife
just kept going, just ignore, who cares?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's our day?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Wow, you got a good wife.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Uh, she was.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She was the one who kept saying that because I
kept going, what is what? And she just kept going,
it's our day?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Have you ever been excluded from some sort of event
or something because you weren't legally married?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yes, yes, not really, Yeah, yeah kind of kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I dated my wife for almost eight years before we
before somebody proposed.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I know it was a minute.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think that that is like such a wild reason,
especially these days, like not everybody gets married doesn't mean
that they won't be together for a long time or
like part of your inner circle or your family.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In fact, I have a friend her and her I
don't I struggle to call him her boyfriend because they've
been together for so long at this point that he
feels more than that, but they just they don't want
to get married. They like where they're at. They both
decided on this, and I'm happy they're happy, so I
don't really care. But like, sometimes when you're not legally married,
(11:17):
like these weird rules come up where it's like you
can't be in the family photo or you can't you know,
come to the wedding because you're not legally married.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I didn't think about the fact that they never wanted
to get married, Like they don't ever want to They
don't believe in the sanction of marriage. Yeah, which is
great for them. But somebody who's getting married, well then
she's your friends. Though in the wedding. None of this
makes sense. There's something more we don't know. I don't
know what it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Is, but it feels like there's something more.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I mean, we may never know. Okay, we may never know,
but I just thought that that was so interesting because
what like, what if you are in that position, like
you're you can't be in this family photo or you
can't come to this wedding because you guys don't have
like the piece of paper. It doesn't mean they're not
going to be together, right, And then on the flip side,
like people who are married and have taken that step.
(12:12):
It's not like there's sometimes married people split up. So
it's like, is marriage enough of a reason to like
exclude people from things?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I don't think exclude. No.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, That's why it feels it feels personal because I
don't I can't think of I'm trying to think of
a reason.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where that would be like.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Acceptable, other than like, hey, maybe you can't because my
family inlaws do this. They plan an entire trip, so
it's their thing, really, right, and we're just all kind
of going and so for the longest time, and this
has changed in the last year or so, they wouldn't
if you weren't married to the person.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The person couldn't bring somebody with them to the.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Vacation.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I think a lot of it has to do
with they're sleeping in the same rooms. There's not an
extra you know. Maybe some religious reasons too, which nobody
really had a problem with.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I also think there's other things like the picture
that go into it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And you know, your your house, your trip, your wedding,
your rules.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I respect that saying but I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
In your case, I don't understand it at all because
the person who's the friend is in the wedding m
h so they have to be there mm hmm. And
the other the person they're dating, who have they been
dating for a while.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I've been dating for like six years.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, he's not going to take up fourteen two seats,
two plates, he's taking up one because she'll be at
the main table.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, so he could ease.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean if you really wanted, like if you didn't
want to, you put him at a table.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And so like twenty years from now, they're still together
and like they're because they're not like legally married. Oh well,
he's not allowed to be in our family photo. Like
that's wild, that's wild. Yes, I agree. I'm not saying
that that will happen, but I'm just saying, like, this
is so interesting to me how people decide to make
rules like this, And has this ever happened to you?
Have you ever been excluded or like rules in this
(14:12):
sort of realm? Good morning B ninety three? Who's this?
And where are you from?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Dora from Kalamazoo?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What's up, Dora?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
So this doesn't have athing to do with being married,
but it's a similar situation. My grandfather once told me
that I couldn't attend a family reunion because I didn't
carry his family's last name. My mom had to politely
remind him that I was still family because I was
her daughter, but because I didn't carry his family's last name,
(14:39):
I couldn't come to the family reunion because apparently I
wasn't family just.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Because of your last name was different?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Interesting, Yes, because I carried my dad's last name and
not his family's last name.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh wow.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But he was in his older years and I think
he was starting to forget things.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Ah okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
But it was still funny, like it made us.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
All last Yeah, yeah, did you go anyways?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I did, Absolutely, I did.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, good, Well, thanks for the call, Dora. Appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Thank you every good day.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Do you start getting into like territory where you make
all of these like rules and then it's like, okay,
we'll respect your rules, but you got to carry the
same energy for everybody. Then, yeah, if you're going to
have rules, the rules have to be for everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah. I think the only one I start thinking about,
like my daughter when she starts or any of the
kids really when they start dating, which we hopefully have
a few years before that happens. But if there's ever,
I don't think I would ever say they they couldn't
come on whatever trip we go on, they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Sleep in the same room if they weren't married.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I would That would probably be the only one that
I'd be like, all right, and there's no reason why.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like Jimmy and I, like we're in our thirties, yeah,
and we've been dating for two years and we're not married.
We hope to be someday. Yeah, yeah, but we stay
in the same room we have since we started dating.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, but you're you're thirty, my daughter would, So what's
the age limit kids? If you're living in my house,
if you're not an adult, okay, yeah, if you're an adult,
I can't, Like I'm not gonna once you're moved out
of the house, Like I know this is such a
cliche thing, like like my house, my rules, Like once
(16:16):
you're out of the house and you're moved out and
you're an adult, you're doing you're paying your own bills,
Like at that point, you do you and I respect
what that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But if I'm still if I'm still you know, dadding.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right, and we bring and we bring no, but there's
a you know what I mean, Like it stays at
eighteen nineteen little I don't know Frederico or whoever she
brings home, Giovanni, whoever she decides to bring home. When
they she's like, dad, I want to take him on
our universal trip. Well, we'll talk to his parents, right,
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and then he will sleep on the couch and you
will sleep in the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do respect a rule, like I I that's my
only one, your house, your trip, like you're spending your money,
like I will respect your rules. But it just when
it when you start making exceptions for certain people.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I can't do that. That's where it gets kind of hairy.
Have you ever been excluded for like a weird reason,
like well, you're not married, but you've been together for
like five six years, but he still can't be in
the photo or she still can't come on the trip
or whatever. And you start getting up there and you're like, Okay,
how many years is it going to take of us
being together? Where what if you don't plan to get married,
(17:33):
when do they start making their way into the family photo.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Then I'm still lucky. I'm being married for seven years.
I think I'm still lucky to be in the photo.
I'm being honest with you, So.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I'm actually going to stay anonymous.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, totally fair.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
So I have been with my boyfriend for five years,
and on the fourth year of us being together, for Christmas,
his sister had a like thing made for his mom
that had all of the kids and some of his
siblings are married. One had just been married for two
(18:10):
months and only been dating the girl for six months
prior to marriage, so a total of eight months. And
I was not included on this like portrait thing that
she had made. But this other person that had only
been in the family for eight months was what.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, did you ever find out why?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I did not ask, And that's like, that's part of
the reason I'm staying anonymous. I never asked.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
I never expressed that.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I kind of hurt my feelings because I'm like, yeah, yeah,
But I think what is even crazier is that they
weren't even married for a year.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, that's a word of worce.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Like,
sometimes you're together for such a long time, but you
don't have the official marriage certificate and you're together for
way longer than people who do have it, and it's.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Like okay, right, yeah, No, So when you said that,
I was like, I feel that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I feel that, and I think I'm sensitive to this
because of the situation that I'm in right, Like I'm
totally projecting where I am at in my relationship because
I you know, like my relationship with Yimmy, I feel
like is heading in the direction of like we are
going to get married one day, he is going to
be part of the family for the rest of time. Sure,
(19:36):
but like right now, we're we haven't been dating for
two years yet, we're just shy of that. Yeah, but
these family memories that we have together, the trips we
go on and the time that we spend together, we
like to document those with photos. And my grandmother is
you know, she's ninety five. I don't want to look
back on these precious years that we have left together
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and him not be in those photos.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, And I'm so I dated just so I can
you see where I'm coming from here. I dated my
wife for eight years before we got we ended up
getting married. I was never in any of like there
was always separate photos.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
There was one with me in it and then one
with me not in it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And when it came to their grandparents, it was all
the grandkids and I was never in any of them.
And for the longest time it like bothered me, like
they don't want me here. They you know, they don't
think this is gonna last. And at one point we
had kids and weren't married still and in.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
That still it still felt that way.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I think from their point of view, it's just
like they are just trying to document because you can
do two pictures you want to do too, like a picture,
like you could do one picture with grandma and then
do another one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
With the great point, Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You can do two pictures.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I that I don't think there was a right
way for everybody. You might you might get married tomorrow
or you might get married six years from now, either way,
like you're supposed to treat everybody who comes into your
life like they're gonna be there forever and and hope
they are, and if they don't, they don't. And I'm
sure cause I think I think I tried to figure
(21:15):
it out for years, like why are they like this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm sure they looked at it from an outsider's.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Perspective, like they've seen the people, the guys that my
wife had dated before that, sure, and they've seen those
people go, and they've seen them heartbroken, and they've probably
the first couple of times, welcomed them in and did
all these things. And then so they're like almost guarded.
Is what I felt like, you know what I mean.
And I don't know that to be true or not
to be true, but that's what I felt like it was.
(21:40):
Is maybe they've seen, you know, guys that you've dated
and that you know it didn't either it worked and
they really thought they were gonna stay and then they
didn't and then.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Or maybe it happens. It happens to people.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It happens to every single person in the world, and
there's no right or wrong way to handle it. I
just don't think not being married should cancel out everything.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't think it's's saying there's ways to do it
where even if you've been dating three weeks, Jimmy could
be in a picture and then all right, I mean
you just why don't you take the picture this time.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, and I think anybody with a head on their
shoulders would understand that. Like, but to be included in
at least one photo and then take another photo, it's
kind of like, oh, that's nice that they included me,
Like they can kind of see that this might be
something something real deal.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, and it's it's it feels so much better because again,
it took years and years and years I think for
me to be to be not welcomed but almost like Okay,
they're gonna go think you earned it kind of Yeah,
But I feel like it feels so much better when
you immediately welcome the person, because then down the road
(22:46):
he'll be like, you've welcomed me since day one, thank you.
Like it feels I don't know, Yeah, on me projecting,
that's me projecting.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's right. We all, Yeah, that's all we have. That's
the only context we have.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Good morning, Welcome to the ninety three Morning Show. What's
your name and where are you from?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
This is Joey for playing Well listen, I've been listening
to your photo thing. So as as a photographer, I
always take one with everybody and then without and then
I've also had people send me photos afterwards, we like this,
when can you craft this one out?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Because they're out of the picture.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Now, I always take one with and without and I
leave it on the proteger point of view so it
doesn't feel bad on the people. Okay, Like, hey, guys,
is just what I do. I do it to go
with it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So I have heard this before that photographers, especially like
family photographers, are wedding photographers. You guys kind of have
like a sixth sense of like looking at a relationship
and being like that one's gonna last, that one isn't?
Can you tell?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, you kind of tell.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You what's the sign?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Is not always? Not always. That's why you just always
go with the program. And that way it takes it
off with the family like, well, gosh, we want to
do in here, but well you said you're.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Out, not our quote. Okay, So there you have to
have all these years have picked up like a sign
or something that stands out where you're like, I know
they're gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Okay? When they're when they're gonna make it? You know what,
when you photograph a wedding, you can tell they're gonna
make it.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
And then when you tell once is like they're not
even smiling.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
In the picture.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
They don't want to be meet as the family, and
so you always put them on the end.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh see, you can feel it inside inside
You and your wife have been married for like seven
years now, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yep, but we were together. We've been together since two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Okay, that's a long time.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Uh yeah, well easy, easy, I proposed an adequate amount
of time. All right, we'll suck to well love that.
But yes, so we were single for or like not
married for a long time.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
When you guys were dating, like not officially engaged, not
officially married, was there stuff that you had to miss
out on because you didn't have the piece of paper
saying like we're married. We lived together, We've committed our
lives together in a spiritual legal kind of way.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
The biggest thing I can think of is when there
were like gatherings and she grew up.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In Owego, so it's like a drive to get there.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
So if you go to her family stuff and she
was it was like Christmas will say, and there was
an overnight she was going to stay out there, I
would either have to leave or sleep in a like
a weird room by myself, Like we couldn't sleep in
the same room, but I'd have to leave nine times
out of ten.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
So then I'm driving all the way back.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So I didn't get to like experience Christmas Morning with
her for the longest time because her parents were very
particular about that. Yeah, which which is whatever, but that
was the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Is like, you're not married yet.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, the holidays are tough even when you are married.
Just splitting the time up between the two families and
trying to find a schedule that works for everybody. That's hard.
But I have a friend who has been with her.
I don't know what to call him because they've been
together for so long that I'm like, he's not your boyfriend,
Like that doesn't feel like enough, you know, but he's
(01:34):
not your fiance or husband because they have no plans
of getting married. They're just gonna be together. Oh okay,
you know, for the rest of forever probably, So it's
like it's almost like life partner. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Common law is common law step When does that start?
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I do we have that in Michigan. I think it's
like nine years or something like that. I don't know,
but they haven't been together quite a decade, but you know,
five six years at this point.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, And recently she was supposed to stand up in
a friend's wedding and that's a pretty big deal, right,
like you're involved in the actual day, Yeah, Bryan address,
and he was not invited. Why because they're not married.
That was like the specific reason that was given. You
(02:21):
guys are not married. We had to keep the guest
list like kind of you know, we can't invite everybody.
We've got a number in mind, which I totally understand.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But she's not She's going to be at the main
table yep. And he's gonna be one person in any table.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So it's not that he's not really taking up space
because they're not taking up two spots, they're really only
taking up one.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He could go to any table. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I just felt like that was so ridiculous, like
because you guys have been together for It's not like
he's been your boyfriend for two months, right, like this
you guys live together, you have a life together, like
you're you've taken in his children as your own, Like
this is a serious, serious relationship. But because the legality
(03:08):
of it wasn't there, Like it was wild to me.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
So I'm trying, yeah it is, and I'm trying to
think about how like the reasoning and maybe the spot
was the reasoning.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
The reasoning, so in.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
My in my now that I am married and my
wife and I have been married for for seven years,
we go on on trips with her family every year,
her my in laws for Christmas will basically get an
airbnb somewhere and we just got to figure out how
to get there, right, We've got to pay for all
that stuff. But like there's you know, uh, people in
(03:41):
our families, both or in her family that is, that
aren't married, and for the longest time, they weren't allowed
to come to this trip.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
They're not allowed to come. It out and it's the
same situation.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's like we don't want you to sleeping in the
same bed, like it's it's just they're very particular about that,
and that's fine. But also I started to think about, like,
why wouldn't they you know, outside of that, why wouldn't
they want him to come that we do a big
group family picture. Oh so we all wear these matching
shirts and like it's a big group picture and they're
(04:13):
they've never said this, so I don't know this to
be true, but like they would they wouldn't like we'd
have to cut them out of the picture if they
weren't there.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I don't know that that's the reason why.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I think it's more of a like a religious reason,
which is again I don't I'm not saying anything bad about.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
It, but and these types of events, it's like, Okay,
it's you're spending the money to do this, or you're
planning this, or it's your sort of yes, exactly party,
So it's your rules. And I do totally respect that,
Like when people plan a wedding and they have to
make rules like this, I do think it's kind of like,
you know what, it's your day, do whatever is going
to make you feel.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But do you think it has to do with that's
what I was getting. Do you think it has to
do with photos? Like she he would be in every
one of their biggest day of the year or ever
biggest one of the biggest days of their life photo.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
If I'm close enough with someone where they're standing up
in my wedding, I probably know a little something about
their relationship. And you know, I know these people. I've
known these people since they started their relationship. Pretty safe
bet that you can put him in the photo. I
don't think. I don't know that the photo would have
been a reason why he I.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Got somebody in my wedding photos who is no longer
in our lives. But it doesn't hurt anything, it's not.
But we don't post anything that has that person in it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But just like people who are married can get divorced
and then all of a sudden, all of the family
photo like, that's.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
True, that's true, that's true, It's very true.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Is being legally married enough of a reason to either
include someone or not include someone?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It very much feels and I don't know these people
that you're talking about, but it very much feels like
an excuse just to that let them cup.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
But I don't know why that would be.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I don't either have you ever been uninvited or excluded
from something because you just like you weren't legally married
or you didn't meet the rules and regulations in your relationship?
Good morning be Natty three? Who's this? And where are
you from?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Jenny from Holland what's up?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Jenny uh So in.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
My wedding picture? So there are people in my wedding
picture that are no longer part of like our family.
And we asked, like my sister Grandma, who's like amazing
about this because she's very particular, like are you going
to be in our family, because like cousins had boyfriends
there and they were like yes, yes, yes, and two
(06:38):
months later they're gone. And it's the only picture we
were able to get of all of like the entire
family on my husband's side, like Grandma, Grandpa, all the aunts,
all the uncles, all the cousins, like, and we like,
we can't do that picture anymore now that people passed away.
And so that's where I'm like, yeah, like sometimes these
(07:00):
rules are like really im foreign to help. But at
the same time, I'm like, yeah, maybe if you have
that together that long, you're kind of stuck now.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It used to bug me, uh when I was first
dating my wife, because I'd have to step and not
bug me, but like I didn't understand it fully. I
used to have to step out of family photos or
step out of pictures, and then like there weren't a
lot of pictures of me at their family things. There
was a lot of pictures of everybody, but I was
always just kind of like not in it. And I
learned over the year, Oh, it's because like their grandfather was,
(07:32):
you know, was only going to be around for so
long and they wanted that moment with them and it
didn't didn't really matter that I wasn't in the picture.
But like if I had not been invited because of
those things, that would have been a big deal.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I'd say I totally get that, and I think that's fine.
Like even if people are married legally into the family
and you just want to get like a family photo
with blood relatives or immediate family, like, I think that's
totally fine. I'd be happy to step out of the
way to do that. I just think like marriage as
a precursor, Like people can get divorced. It happens all
(08:07):
the time. Like that's not necessarily a fail safe to
like Okay, you're gonna be in this picture forever or
you're not invited to that, Like it just seems I know,
it's more official and more of a commitment than just dating.
But when you're together for like five or six years,
I'm like, okay, same difference.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, usually it means yeah, they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But you never know.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's why it feels like, that's why it feels like
in your situation, not you, but like the person you
know that there's something more there.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
There's something else.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, something we don't know, and I don't I don't
know fully what it is.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Well I may never know.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Thanks for the call this.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Morning, Jenny, Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Bye six one six two four two ninety three, ninety three.
Have you ever been excluded from something because you weren't married,
or maybe there's a crazier reason why you were excluded
from something.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I tried to exclude somebody from our wedding who was
not because they weren't married, but because they were a
wild card, and she ended up being She came because
I didn't have a choice. She ended up dressing and
wearing outfits that looked like she was in the wedding party,
(09:29):
but she was not in the wedding party. Like asked
in advance to Colors. We didn't think about it. She
put a dress on that looked almost like she was
in the wedding Like just what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And you saw that from a mile away, you were like,
this is gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Be I mean, you know when you could feel it,
you know, when there's like a while you there's a difference,
there's a difference, there's like silly you know, never know
what they're gonna say, and they're fun and they're they're spontaneous,
and then there's like, we might have a moment with
this person at our one day that's just a us, right,
the one moment that's just about us, and they may there.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
And she just don't want to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
She started a fight.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh, it was bad, It was bad, And my wife
just kept going, just ignore, who cares?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's our day?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Wow, you got a good wife.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Uh, she was.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
She was the one who kept saying that because I
kept going, what is what? And she just kept going,
it's our day?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Have you ever been excluded from some sort of event
or something because you weren't legally married?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yes, yes, not really, Yeah, yeah kind of kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I dated my wife for almost eight years before we
before somebody proposed.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I know it was a minute.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I think that that is like such a wild reason,
especially these days, like not everybody gets married doesn't mean
that they won't be together for a long time or
like part of your inner circle or your family.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
In fact, I have a friend her and her I
don't I struggle to call him her boyfriend because they've
been together for so long at this point that he
feels more than that, but they just they don't want
to get married. They like where they're at. They both
decided on this, and I'm happy they're happy, so I
don't really care. But like, sometimes when you're not legally married,
(11:17):
like these weird rules come up where it's like you
can't be in the family photo or you can't you know,
come to the wedding because you're not legally married.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I didn't think about the fact that they never wanted
to get married, Like they don't ever want to They
don't believe in the sanction of marriage. Yeah, which is
great for them. But somebody who's getting married, well then
she's your friends. Though in the wedding. None of this
makes sense. There's something more we don't know. I don't
know what it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Is, but it feels like there's something more.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I mean, we may never know. Okay, we may never know,
but I just thought that that was so interesting because
what like, what if you are in that position, like
you're you can't be in this family photo or you
can't come to this wedding because you guys don't have
like the piece of paper. It doesn't mean they're not
going to be together, right, And then on the flip side,
like people who are married and have taken that step.
(12:12):
It's not like there's sometimes married people split up. So
it's like, is marriage enough of a reason to like
exclude people from things?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I don't think exclude. No.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
No, That's why it feels it feels personal because I
don't I can't think of I'm trying to think of
a reason.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Where that would be like.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Acceptable, other than like, hey, maybe you can't because my
family inlaws do this. They plan an entire trip, so
it's their thing, really, right, and we're just all kind
of going and so for the longest time, and this
has changed in the last year or so, they wouldn't
if you weren't married to the person.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
They couldn't.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
The person couldn't bring somebody with them to the.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Vacation.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And I think a lot of it has to do
with they're sleeping in the same rooms. There's not an
extra you know. Maybe some religious reasons too, which nobody
really had a problem with.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
But I also think there's other things like the picture
that go into it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And you know, your your house, your trip, your wedding,
your rules.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I respect that saying but I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
In your case, I don't understand it at all because
the person who's the friend is in the wedding m
h so they have to be there mm hmm. And
the other the person they're dating, who have they been
dating for a while.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I've been dating for like six years.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, he's not going to take up fourteen two seats,
two plates, he's taking up one because she'll be at
the main table.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, so he could ease.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean if you really wanted, like if you didn't
want to, you put him at a table.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
And so like twenty years from now, they're still together
and like they're because they're not like legally married. Oh well,
he's not allowed to be in our family photo. Like
that's wild, that's wild. Yes, I agree. I'm not saying
that that will happen, but I'm just saying, like, this
is so interesting to me how people decide to make
rules like this, And has this ever happened to you?
Have you ever been excluded or like rules in this
(14:12):
sort of realm? Good morning B ninety three? Who's this?
And where are you from?
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Dora from Kalamazoo?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
What's up, Dora?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
So this doesn't have athing to do with being married,
but it's a similar situation. My grandfather once told me
that I couldn't attend a family reunion because I didn't
carry his family's last name. My mom had to politely
remind him that I was still family because I was
her daughter, but because I didn't carry his family's last name,
(14:39):
I couldn't come to the family reunion because apparently I
wasn't family just.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Because of your last name was different?
Speaker 7 (14:45):
Interesting, Yes, because I carried my dad's last name and
not his family's last name.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Oh wow.
Speaker 7 (14:51):
But he was in his older years and I think
he was starting to forget things.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Ah okay, okay.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
But it was still funny, like it made us.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
All last Yeah, yeah, did you go anyways?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I did, Absolutely, I did.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, good, Well, thanks for the call, Dora. Appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Thank you every good day.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Do you start getting into like territory where you make
all of these like rules and then it's like, okay,
we'll respect your rules, but you got to carry the
same energy for everybody. Then, yeah, if you're going to
have rules, the rules have to be for everybody.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah. I think the only one I start thinking about,
like my daughter when she starts or any of the
kids really when they start dating, which we hopefully have
a few years before that happens. But if there's ever,
I don't think I would ever say they they couldn't
come on whatever trip we go on, they wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Sleep in the same room if they weren't married.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I would That would probably be the only one that
I'd be like, all right, and there's no reason why.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Like Jimmy and I, like we're in our thirties, yeah,
and we've been dating for two years and we're not married.
We hope to be someday. Yeah, yeah, but we stay
in the same room we have since we started dating.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yes, but you're you're thirty, my daughter would, So what's
the age limit kids? If you're living in my house,
if you're not an adult, okay, yeah, if you're an adult,
I can't, Like I'm not gonna once you're moved out
of the house, Like I know this is such a
cliche thing, like like my house, my rules, Like once
(16:16):
you're out of the house and you're moved out and
you're an adult, you're doing you're paying your own bills,
Like at that point, you do you and I respect
what that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But if I'm still if I'm still you know, dadding.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Right, and we bring and we bring no, but there's
a you know what I mean, Like it stays at
eighteen nineteen little I don't know Frederico or whoever she
brings home, Giovanni, whoever she decides to bring home. When
they she's like, dad, I want to take him on
our universal trip. Well, we'll talk to his parents, right,
(16:51):
and then he will sleep on the couch and you
will sleep in the bedroom.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I do respect a rule, like I I that's my
only one, your house, your trip, like you're spending your money,
like I will respect your rules. But it just when
it when you start making exceptions for certain people.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I can't do that. That's where it gets kind of hairy.
Have you ever been excluded for like a weird reason,
like well, you're not married, but you've been together for
like five six years, but he still can't be in
the photo or she still can't come on the trip
or whatever. And you start getting up there and you're like, Okay,
how many years is it going to take of us
being together? Where what if you don't plan to get married,
(17:33):
when do they start making their way into the family photo.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Then I'm still lucky. I'm being married for seven years.
I think I'm still lucky to be in the photo.
I'm being honest with you, So.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I'm actually going to stay anonymous.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, totally fair.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
So I have been with my boyfriend for five years,
and on the fourth year of us being together, for Christmas,
his sister had a like thing made for his mom
that had all of the kids and some of his
siblings are married. One had just been married for two
(18:10):
months and only been dating the girl for six months
prior to marriage, so a total of eight months. And
I was not included on this like portrait thing that
she had made. But this other person that had only
been in the family for eight months was what.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, did you ever find out why?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I did not ask, And that's like, that's part of
the reason I'm staying anonymous. I never asked.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
I never expressed that.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I kind of hurt my feelings because I'm like, yeah, yeah,
But I think what is even crazier is that they
weren't even married for a year.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Yeah, that's a word of worce.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
So see, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Like,
sometimes you're together for such a long time, but you
don't have the official marriage certificate and you're together for
way longer than people who do have it, and it's.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Like okay, right, yeah, No, So when you said that,
I was like, I feel that.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I feel that, and I think I'm sensitive to this
because of the situation that I'm in right, Like I'm
totally projecting where I am at in my relationship because
I you know, like my relationship with Yimmy, I feel
like is heading in the direction of like we are
going to get married one day, he is going to
be part of the family for the rest of time. Sure,
(19:36):
but like right now, we're we haven't been dating for
two years yet, we're just shy of that. Yeah, but
these family memories that we have together, the trips we
go on and the time that we spend together, we
like to document those with photos. And my grandmother is
you know, she's ninety five. I don't want to look
back on these precious years that we have left together
(20:00):
and him not be in those photos.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, And I'm so I dated just so I can
you see where I'm coming from here. I dated my
wife for eight years before we got we ended up
getting married. I was never in any of like there
was always separate photos.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
There was one with me in it and then one
with me not in it.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And when it came to their grandparents, it was all
the grandkids and I was never in any of them.
And for the longest time it like bothered me, like
they don't want me here. They you know, they don't
think this is gonna last. And at one point we
had kids and weren't married still and in.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
That still it still felt that way.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But I think from their point of view, it's just
like they are just trying to document because you can
do two pictures you want to do too, like a picture,
like you could do one picture with grandma and then
do another one.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
With the great point, Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
You can do two pictures.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And I that I don't think there was a right
way for everybody. You might you might get married tomorrow
or you might get married six years from now, either way,
like you're supposed to treat everybody who comes into your
life like they're gonna be there forever and and hope
they are, and if they don't, they don't. And I'm
sure cause I think I think I tried to figure
(21:15):
it out for years, like why are they like this.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm sure they looked at it from an outsider's.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Perspective, like they've seen the people, the guys that my
wife had dated before that, sure, and they've seen those
people go, and they've seen them heartbroken, and they've probably
the first couple of times, welcomed them in and did
all these things. And then so they're like almost guarded.
Is what I felt like, you know what I mean.
And I don't know that to be true or not
to be true, but that's what I felt like it was.
(21:40):
Is maybe they've seen, you know, guys that you've dated
and that you know it didn't either it worked and
they really thought they were gonna stay and then they
didn't and then.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Or maybe it happens. It happens to people.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It happens to every single person in the world, and
there's no right or wrong way to handle it. I
just don't think not being married should cancel out everything.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I don't think it's's saying there's ways to do it
where even if you've been dating three weeks, Jimmy could
be in a picture and then all right, I mean
you just why don't you take the picture this time.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, and I think anybody with a head on their
shoulders would understand that. Like, but to be included in
at least one photo and then take another photo, it's
kind of like, oh, that's nice that they included me,
Like they can kind of see that this might be
something something real deal.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
Yeah, and it's it's it feels so much better because again,
it took years and years and years I think for
me to be to be not welcomed but almost like Okay,
they're gonna go think you earned it kind of Yeah,
But I feel like it feels so much better when
you immediately welcome the person, because then down the road
(22:46):
he'll be like, you've welcomed me since day one, thank you.
Like it feels I don't know, Yeah, on me projecting,
that's me projecting.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's right. We all, Yeah, that's all we have. That's
the only context we have.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Good morning, Welcome to the ninety three Morning Show. What's
your name and where are you from?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Hey?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
This is Joey for playing Well listen, I've been listening
to your photo thing. So as as a photographer, I
always take one with everybody and then without and then
I've also had people send me photos afterwards, we like this,
when can you craft this one out?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Because they're out of the picture.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Now, I always take one with and without and I
leave it on the proteger point of view so it
doesn't feel bad on the people. Okay, Like, hey, guys,
is just what I do. I do it to go
with it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
So I have heard this before that photographers, especially like
family photographers, are wedding photographers. You guys kind of have
like a sixth sense of like looking at a relationship
and being like that one's gonna last, that one isn't?
Can you tell?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, you kind of tell.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You what's the sign?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Is not always? Not always. That's why you just always
go with the program. And that way it takes it
off with the family like, well, gosh, we want to
do in here, but well you said you're.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Out, not our quote. Okay, So there you have to
have all these years have picked up like a sign
or something that stands out where you're like, I know
they're gonna make it.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
What is that?
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Okay? When they're when they're gonna make it? You know what,
when you photograph a wedding, you can tell they're gonna
make it.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
And then when you tell once is like they're not
even smiling.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
In the picture.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
They don't want to be meet as the family, and
so you always put them on the end.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh see, you can feel it inside inside
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