July 7, 2025 • 21 mins
Aly’s seat got kicked by a kid on a flight… and the parents stayed silent. Should she have said something to the parents?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Be ninety three Morning Show. I'm Ali Mack.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
You were talking earlier about this girl who was feeling
kind of sidelined by her boyfriend because he came and
pick her up from the airport and the dog got
to sit in the front seat.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, dog very anxious riding in the car. So he's like,
it's a fifteen minute drive. I'm just gonna let the
dog sit in the front seat. You sit in the
back seat, and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I feel like that's not fair to the dog
because the dog has an intellect. Like, dogs don't mature
past the age what do they say, it's like a
two year old kid. Oh really forever, like stuck in
a dog body. Okay, they don't mature past that age
in humans kind of. And I was thinking about this,
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and I was like, you can't hold non adults and
non humans to adult human expectations. Sure, perfect example of this.
I'm flying out to that batch party in Denver a
couple weeks ago, and I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Our flight was like early on Thursday morning, but not
like super early, So we got some coffee. We're just
kind of like easing into our day. We've got like
a whole day in Denver before anybody gets there. So
I'm just trying to like relax on this flight. Now.
I am totally fine with kids on a flight, Like
I don't mind sitting next to kids, I don't mind
them sitting in front of me or behind me, Like
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that doesn't bother me. I've got nieces and nephews. I
know that kids are gonna do what kids are gonna do.
Here's what bothers me, uh uh. The parents that make
no effort to try to be sort of like the
buffer between kids and other people, Like this is public transportation.
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At the end of the day, kids are gonna do
what kids are gonna do, Right, But as an adult,
I do think that it is your responsibility to mediate
and at least say the things and go through the
motions like you're trying.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, this is such a tough spot to be in
as a parent, because yes, you should, Yeah you should.
And there's an overwhelmingly, at least for me as a parent,
amount of anxiety that goes into that when you're doing
that because you don't want to you don't want to
cause a scene, right, and you're trying to control a
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situation and like you said, a two year old that
can't control big emotions at this point, so you're trying
to figure it out the best way you can. And
then what will happen is sometimes you'll get to that overwhelmed,
over stimulated stage where you just kind of kind of
lose it yourself a little, and then that's when people
look at you.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I get snappy, I get hungry, I get tired when
I'm traveling, like you know, yeah, that's just being a human.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, we witnessed to go along with this.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
We witness somebody to do this at Sandy Pines, but
the weekend over the top, like yelling at their child,
and somebody in the group was like, geez, how could
you do that? And I'm like they probably got pushed
to a point like there's never a moment where you
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But in those situations, you do have to do something.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We're all human.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes, you do have to do.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Something though, because not doing something is ten, in my opinion,
ten times worse than doing something. Not just letting it
happen and letting them, letting them run through their tantrum.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Thank you does not help anybody.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'm sitting on the aisle behind me, there is a
mom and it's like a three seat row and it's
a mom and like her two kids. I didn't realize
that her husband was sitting like directly across the aisle
from her, this is the row behind.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Me, and did nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He did nothing, which, like I only figured out as
we were getting off the plane, and then like all
my anger shifted towards him, like you couldn't help out
at all, like this, clearly she's overwhelmed. Yeah, but like
this probably about two year old kid kicked the back
of my seat the entire flight.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And that's the fear, right, it is two hours.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Two hours, two and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
What did you do?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Did you turn around saying I did nothing?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You didn't even turn around and give a look?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No? Who no, because it's not worth it, you know,
like I'm just gonna make the mom feel bad. Clearly
she's in over her head. She's not having a good time.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Is it just the one kid?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No, there was another kid as well, who was probably
like a couple of years older. Okay, it was fine
and the yeah, they weren't loud, like they weren't screaming,
they weren't throwing a fit. They were just like trying
to keep the kids occupied, and the two year old
was kept occupied by just kicking the back of my seat.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now, you gotta I would have given a look because
as much as as that feels like you're kind of
taking out on the mom, the mom's gotta know that,
Like it's a bother, right she knows, probably, but you
gotta at least look at her because then she goes, hey, hey, hey, stop,
you know you're you're you're bugging the name or the
person in front of us to the kid.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
That's what I'm saying, like, at the at the bare minimum,
at least say it out loud and go through the
motion and like pretend like, is the kid gonna stop
kicking my seat?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Probably not because it's a kid. But this is what
I mean, Like, you can't hold kids to adult expectations,
but I do hold adults to adult expectations.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, there's a lot that I would have been angry
about there. The dad didn't stand up once or at
least I hate pass them over this way. No, I mean, technically,
what two year old who no under so when the
kid was in their lap? Right mm hm oh yeah, yeah,
that's another thing. I don't know that you can move
the kid to the dad's seat.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah you can. I did it. Yes you can, you
absolutely can.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And they did have a dedicated seat for the two
year old. Like it was just the mom and the
two kids in this in the row of three seats
behind me.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
There's so many things AM angry, but there were I know,
so many things.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'm angry about it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And then this two hour flight ends and I'm like
some relief. They in the row behind me, they got
off in front of us, They skipped us, they got
off before us. I was so mad. I was like, okay,
strike seventeen thousand, you guys. And then they said nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That to me is is and.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
The dad was happy as a clam.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
You guys did so good.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm no product you could did good.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, though that is there's a lot of front there's
a moment in every dad knows this where you have
to step in, or vice versa. There's a moment where
the mom knows you have to step in like the person.
Usually there's a pause break we have in my house.
I don't know if they do this in everybody's house,
but in my house, there's a level that we hit
for each one of us, where if the other person
is not going to be able to maintain their composure
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or can't handle the situation.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You gotta tap out.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You gotta tap out.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it's your here, let me handle it. But you
can feel it, Yeah, the same way you can feel
that situation building and building and building it in the
environment around you.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you feel it with your partner.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I oh, that makes me. And then to go in
front of you, that upsets me even more. Anybody who
races to the front of the plane after getting off
or after we land, you should be banned from riding
a plane.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that and then there was there was just one
more thing that happened as we were all getting off.
I will share this with you next. Has sent me
over the edge. But I just want to tie the
bow on this experience that I had. Again, I do
want to preface this by saying, I am an aunt
to young kids. They're all under seven, so I understand
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what traveling with little kids in tails. I don't feel
like it's fair to hold little kids to adult standards
and adult expectations, But the adults with the kids, I
do feel like there is a certain amount of responsibility
to at least go through the motions and say, oh,
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I'm so sorry, Oh is this bothering you? Or like
just you know, be a little bit aware. I know
it's stressful. I know there's a lot going on, but
kicking someone's seat for two and a half hours while
you're sitting in your mom's lap, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, there's a level too, And.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
At that point, I just I'm ready to take your
kid and just have them sit on my lap because
that would be more enjoyable than getting my seat pelted
for two and a half hours.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
There's a there's such a I'm torn on this, not
because I don't feel for you at all, because I
would have definitely have. I think parents need to say
something or do something when they're when their child is
doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And it's their second child, so it's not like they
don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They know, they know what they're dealing with, you know
what I mean, it's the second one. But I also
have been in that overwhelmed, over stimulated. This is where
I'm more upset with the husband than I am the
actual mom.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
He had a great time, he took a little nap,
he had a drink, but.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know his he might have been sick. There's
there's factors, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I know. I'm just I'm.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Trying to throw out all all all scenarios here to
try to feel and empathize a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I do think it's on them.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I do think I think it's more on the husband
than anybody, not even the mom really, yes, because an overstimulated,
uh over or.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Tired mom will we'll just sit there and just go
just whatever. You're not running.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
The other kid was an angel, like it was older,
sat for the higher flight just like kind of read books,
did the iPad for a little while, didn't make a
like sound like was so so good.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I've learned that the second child is is feral.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
What I hear?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, the second first one you're kind of learning and
growing together and they become like a very independent, like
leader type. The second one just feral, just and they
become they come into their own, they become sweet. Like
my six year olds is an angel now, yeah, but
he went through it, and that just what I imagine
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is happening in this scenario with them, is they got
the two year old to sit and not climb all
over mom and not climb into the other seats, and
I guess, yeah, I could see that, but you still
have to do That's where I think the dad. That's
why I'm angry upset with the dad in this one,
because the dad has to step in and at least
move the kicking over to the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Then like you get a break at least.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I mean, I'm not saying you should allow, but you
have to, like you have to do something.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So the seat for two and a half hours straight,
I mean, there really were no breaks. And then you know,
they were sitting behind me and my friend. There's an
order to getting off the plane, and they went ahead
of us, like they didn't even give us a chance,
you know what I mean, and like there are there
are four of you. To their credit, they did not
have any luggage. They didn't bring any carry on so
(10:24):
I'm like, okay, that's smart. They probably checked their bag.
They didn't even give us a chance to get out
in front of them, and we probably would have been faster.
And then you know the jet bridge when you like
get off the plane and there's that like little jet
bridge tunnel to get to the airport, they're in front
of us in the jet bridge and both of their
kids are walking. We cannot get around them, and they
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are going so slow this pick the kid up, pick
the kid up? Like it was just I was at
my limit already after this two and a half hour flight,
and then that was just like the cherry on top
because of course, of course, like do you have no
awareness at all? And I hate to, like, you know,
hate on people and not have any empathy like I
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really do. I do have empathy for parents traveling with kids.
I get that it's stressful. I really don't mind sitting
by kids on airplanes.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This is a different scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But I don't want to sit in front of this
kid again.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is a different scenario.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Don't And they race to the front of the plane,
which I think is even equally as annoying, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
We're gonna be faster than you. Yeah, you know, we
we are two adults and we have carry on bags, Like,
just let us get out before you we're gonna be
just let us get out of your way, you know
what I mean? Six one six two four to two
three ninety three. If you want to call and shame
me or not.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Being I don't think you are. I don't think you
need to be shaved at all.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Again, I think the dad's if if I look at
this whole scenario, the dad's what everybody should be angry
at in this this scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The kid is that what is the solution? Like they're
just there, isn't one. It's public transportation. At the end
of the day. You can't hold kids to adult standards.
I get that, but dang, can we do something? Can
we just say out loud like sorry about that? We
were talking about something earlier this morning, and it reminded
me when I was on the flight to the batch
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trip that I took to Denver a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Supposed to be a relaxing flight out there. Usually I
get like the first flight out in the morning. This
time we didn't. We just kind of eased our way
into the day, went to the airport. We had like
a whole day in Denver before anyone was going to
get there. So this was going to be like the
relaxing flight in watch some stuff online, maybe take a
little snooze, have some coffee. Sure, and my seat was
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kicked continuously for like two and a half hours straight
by a girl kid behind me not a grown up.
And I am very much okay with kids traveling. They
need to get places too. Sure, I don't mind if
kids sit by me, I don't mind if kids sit
in front of me, behind me, whatever. I don't hold
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kids to adult standards because I don't think that that's fair.
But I do hold adults to adult standards. And the
parents is what I was really shocked at. They did
not apologize, They did not acknowledge this. They did not
tell this kid to stop, or if they did, I
didn't hear it, and I was listening for it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, because that's yeah, that's the thing they that's the
immediate thing they should do, because you gotta at least
attempt You're not always going to get the results that
you want, but you gotta at least attempt it. And
then you mentioned like that was the mom right sitting
with the little one. Yeah, Then there was another kid
there as well, Yeah, who's probably like what six seven
years old?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And then the dad, who is I think is actually
the most at fault here.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He was sitting in the same row as them. This
was behind us, but across the aisle. He had a
great time. He took a nap watched some stuff on
his phone, like he was checked out. Yeah, And I
was like, come on, man, especially because my best friend
and I were sitting in the same row traveling together
and the seat between us. I was sitting on the aisle,
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she was sitting by the window. The seat in between
us was empty, completely empty, So like, kick that seat,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, six one, six, two four two ninety three, Good.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Morning, Welcome to the ninety three Morning show. What's your
name away from?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Hi, my name's Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm from Hudsonville.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I was just calling about the two year old that
was kicking Alley's seat throughout the flight.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I would probably move over to the seat next to
her that was empty, But I also.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have a two year old, so I having kids. But
after hearing the seat was empty, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, I probably would have moved over if that
was bothering me the whole time.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Was such a good shout that did not even occur
to me. I was my own problem that day, wasn't I.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know what, It's all good? Traveling with kids is
terrible awful.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I was just gonna say, don't you know the anxiety.
Couldn't you feel the anxiety when she just started saying
like this kid started kids started kicking the seat like
you automatically, as a parent, you feel like, oh my gosh,
I'm bothering everybody around me, even though you aren't.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes, yes, that's what we had when we flew with
our two year old.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It was awful. So I feel for you, but I
also feel for the parents.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I know that's the hardest part because I don't want
to make the parents feel bad and what's already a
stressful situation. But at the same time, like I kind
of feel like I need to say something.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, oh for sure, I would hope someone would say something.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is there something going on that I didn't catch?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, but I hope that was their final destination and
they were not like getting a catch.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, what do you what do you do with your
two year old?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
When when they started doing something like that, Because my
go to is an iPad, I'm being if I'm being
very honest, I'll sit him down for a minute in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm not saying it's the best scenario, but that's what
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, I think we limit scream time, but when you
need it, that's the best time that they're so zone in.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Oh we're like type A parents.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's plane right, I mean ife, it happens for five
minutes and we miss it. We're like no, no, no, don't
you know, don't do that. But so I feel and
I really struggle going to get this back tenfold if
I ever have kids.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
That doesn't make you a I don't think that makes
you a type A parent either. I think every parent
should have a sense of when your kid is crossing
a line, like you got to do something.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
One would hope. Yeah, thanks, Caitlin, have a great day
if you want to weigh in on this six one
six two four two ninety three ninety three. Has anyone
ever been through this as a parent and do you
have any like fail proof travel hacks that are like, oh,
turn on the iPad or like oh, keep them occupied,
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like the things that are like kind of out there
kind of deep hacks but actually work.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Good morning, Welcome to the B ninety three Morning Show.
What's your name and where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
My name's Brandy from Cloma.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Brandy.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
What do you do as a parent or as somebody
riding on the on the plane.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh, let me tell you a story I had a
couple of years ago. I was flying from Michigan to
California to these kids, probably fine and seven years old.
I'm a dad or across the aisle diagonal in front
of us with an instant, but they're sitting together. The
kids start fighting over a handheld device and ended up
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hitting me. Oh and after my dirty glare, I finally
did the mom thing and I looked at both of
them and I said, you know you're not get off
or I'm sitting in between you, and I make sure
it was loud enough that the parents could hear me.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh man, that stuck with them forever. I promise you that,
I promise.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They knocked it off and the rest of the flight
was very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I remember my early days as a parent. So I
have three kids.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I have a ten year old, a six year old
almost six year old, and a two year old. But
I remember that first one and you're kind of figuring
it out and you're trying to get it together or whatever,
and you have an older parent or a parent who's
been doing it for a minute step in and do
that to you, and you go never again, never again.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And Mama Dad just looked at me and they didn't
say anything your oh, es, I'm playing with your infancts.
I was like, you kidding me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
See, that's what I'm talking about. You can't hold kids
to adult standards, but parents are adults and they need
to be held to an adult standard. You at least
need to go through the motion and say, oh my gosh,
are they bothering you? I'm so sorry? Do you want
to switch seats? Something exactly?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Or about one parent with two kids the other parents
sit with one.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's why I'm mad a dad on this one. I
think Dad didn't step in and help with the situation.
I think mom it sounds like like anyways, from what
I'm getting from the story, Mom was probably just tired
and overwhelmed and just was letting it play out, and
I think dad had to step in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Thanks for the call, Brandy, appreciate it. Bye bye bye
six one six two four to two ninety three ninety three.
Has anyone ever said anything like Brandy intervened? Because the
parents weren't sitting in that row or right nearby, they
were kind of diagonal. I didn't say anything because I
just I don't want to add to the stress of
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whatever you've got going on. So I just took it
and just was annoyed the whole flight. But the was
there a possibility that the mom didn't even notice this
that I find that really hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You, No, the mom not like the only the only
thing I can think of is overwhelmed and overstimulated, where
you just you then your brain shuts down or you're
going to overreact like you're good. That's where you people
parents yells because usually those things happen overstimulated or overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, and you don't want that either.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You don't want that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So she may have just shut it off and was
just like, there's nothing I can do. That's again where
dad is supposed to step in and relief her, and
if it was the other way around, mom would step in.
That's the only thing I can think of when it
comes to whether or not I've said anything before. I'm
usually managing my own my own kids and trying to
get them. But there was a time where I'm sitting
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and we have the It's me and Milo sitting by
each other, and my wife and my two other kids
are sitting in the road in front of us, and
the kid behind us was putting his feet through the
little center thing, and it was doing it to a
point yeah, where it got to be like too much.
And then my son thought it was funny, so he
started doing it to my wife and I this is
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the only time I've been in front of you who's
in front of me, and this is the only time
I've ever I've ever done anything like this, But it worked.
I loudly said, Milo, we don't do that. We don't
put our feet in between the seats.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh perfect.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then that person behind us was like, oh, hey,
so and so, you know, because they didn't think it
was that big of a deal because I hadn't made
a big deal out of it. But that in teaching
my own kid, I actually taught I guess I taught
the adult
Be ninety three Morning Show. I'm Ali Mack.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:02):
You were talking earlier about this girl who was feeling
kind of sidelined by her boyfriend because he came and
pick her up from the airport and the dog got
to sit in the front seat.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Yeah, dog very anxious riding in the car. So he's like,
it's a fifteen minute drive. I'm just gonna let the
dog sit in the front seat. You sit in the
back seat, and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
And I feel like that's not fair to the dog
because the dog has an intellect. Like, dogs don't mature
past the age what do they say, it's like a
two year old kid. Oh really forever, like stuck in
a dog body. Okay, they don't mature past that age
in humans kind of. And I was thinking about this,
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and I was like, you can't hold non adults and
non humans to adult human expectations. Sure, perfect example of this.
I'm flying out to that batch party in Denver a
couple weeks ago, and I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Our flight was like early on Thursday morning, but not
like super early, So we got some coffee. We're just
kind of like easing into our day. We've got like
a whole day in Denver before anybody gets there. So
I'm just trying to like relax on this flight. Now.
I am totally fine with kids on a flight, Like
I don't mind sitting next to kids, I don't mind
them sitting in front of me or behind me, Like
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that doesn't bother me. I've got nieces and nephews. I
know that kids are gonna do what kids are gonna do.
Here's what bothers me, uh uh. The parents that make
no effort to try to be sort of like the
buffer between kids and other people, Like this is public transportation.
(01:38):
At the end of the day, kids are gonna do
what kids are gonna do, Right, But as an adult,
I do think that it is your responsibility to mediate
and at least say the things and go through the
motions like you're trying.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah, this is such a tough spot to be in
as a parent, because yes, you should, Yeah you should.
And there's an overwhelmingly, at least for me as a parent,
amount of anxiety that goes into that when you're doing
that because you don't want to you don't want to
cause a scene, right, and you're trying to control a
(02:14):
situation and like you said, a two year old that
can't control big emotions at this point, so you're trying
to figure it out the best way you can. And
then what will happen is sometimes you'll get to that overwhelmed,
over stimulated stage where you just kind of kind of
lose it yourself a little, and then that's when people
look at you.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I get snappy, I get hungry, I get tired when
I'm traveling, like you know, yeah, that's just being a human.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, we witnessed to go along with this.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
We witness somebody to do this at Sandy Pines, but
the weekend over the top, like yelling at their child,
and somebody in the group was like, geez, how could
you do that? And I'm like they probably got pushed
to a point like there's never a moment where you
want to do that.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
But in those situations, you do have to do something.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We're all human.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes, you do have to do.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Something though, because not doing something is ten, in my opinion,
ten times worse than doing something. Not just letting it
happen and letting them, letting them run through their tantrum.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Thank you does not help anybody.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'm sitting on the aisle behind me, there is a
mom and it's like a three seat row and it's
a mom and like her two kids. I didn't realize
that her husband was sitting like directly across the aisle
from her, this is the row behind.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Me, and did nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
He did nothing, which, like I only figured out as
we were getting off the plane, and then like all
my anger shifted towards him, like you couldn't help out
at all, like this, clearly she's overwhelmed. Yeah, but like
this probably about two year old kid kicked the back
of my seat the entire flight.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And that's the fear, right, it is two hours.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Two hours, two and a half hours.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
What did you do?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Did you turn around saying I did nothing?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
You didn't even turn around and give a look?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No? Who no, because it's not worth it, you know,
like I'm just gonna make the mom feel bad. Clearly
she's in over her head. She's not having a good time.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Is it just the one kid?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
No, there was another kid as well, who was probably
like a couple of years older. Okay, it was fine
and the yeah, they weren't loud, like they weren't screaming,
they weren't throwing a fit. They were just like trying
to keep the kids occupied, and the two year old
was kept occupied by just kicking the back of my seat.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now, you gotta I would have given a look because
as much as as that feels like you're kind of
taking out on the mom, the mom's gotta know that,
Like it's a bother, right she knows, probably, but you
gotta at least look at her because then she goes, hey, hey, hey, stop,
you know you're you're you're bugging the name or the
person in front of us to the kid.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
That's what I'm saying, like, at the at the bare minimum,
at least say it out loud and go through the
motion and like pretend like, is the kid gonna stop
kicking my seat?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Probably not because it's a kid. But this is what
I mean, Like, you can't hold kids to adult expectations,
but I do hold adults to adult expectations.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, there's a lot that I would have been angry
about there. The dad didn't stand up once or at
least I hate pass them over this way. No, I mean, technically,
what two year old who no under so when the
kid was in their lap? Right mm hm oh yeah, yeah,
that's another thing. I don't know that you can move
the kid to the dad's seat.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah you can. I did it. Yes you can, you
absolutely can.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And they did have a dedicated seat for the two
year old. Like it was just the mom and the
two kids in this in the row of three seats
behind me.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
There's so many things AM angry, but there were I know,
so many things.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I'm angry about it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And then this two hour flight ends and I'm like
some relief. They in the row behind me, they got
off in front of us, They skipped us, they got
off before us. I was so mad. I was like, okay,
strike seventeen thousand, you guys. And then they said nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That to me is is and.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
The dad was happy as a clam.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
You guys did so good.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm no product you could did good.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, though that is there's a lot of front there's
a moment in every dad knows this where you have
to step in, or vice versa. There's a moment where
the mom knows you have to step in like the person.
Usually there's a pause break we have in my house.
I don't know if they do this in everybody's house,
but in my house, there's a level that we hit
for each one of us, where if the other person
is not going to be able to maintain their composure
(06:26):
or can't handle the situation.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You gotta tap out.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
You gotta tap out.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it's your here, let me handle it. But you
can feel it, Yeah, the same way you can feel
that situation building and building and building it in the
environment around you.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, you feel it with your partner.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I oh, that makes me. And then to go in
front of you, that upsets me even more. Anybody who
races to the front of the plane after getting off
or after we land, you should be banned from riding
a plane.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
And that and then there was there was just one
more thing that happened as we were all getting off.
I will share this with you next. Has sent me
over the edge. But I just want to tie the
bow on this experience that I had. Again, I do
want to preface this by saying, I am an aunt
to young kids. They're all under seven, so I understand
(07:14):
what traveling with little kids in tails. I don't feel
like it's fair to hold little kids to adult standards
and adult expectations, But the adults with the kids, I
do feel like there is a certain amount of responsibility
to at least go through the motions and say, oh,
(07:35):
I'm so sorry, Oh is this bothering you? Or like
just you know, be a little bit aware. I know
it's stressful. I know there's a lot going on, but
kicking someone's seat for two and a half hours while
you're sitting in your mom's lap, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, there's a level too, And.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
At that point, I just I'm ready to take your
kid and just have them sit on my lap because
that would be more enjoyable than getting my seat pelted
for two and a half hours.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
There's a there's such a I'm torn on this, not
because I don't feel for you at all, because I
would have definitely have. I think parents need to say
something or do something when they're when their child is
doing that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
And it's their second child, so it's not like they
don't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
They know, they know what they're dealing with, you know
what I mean, it's the second one. But I also
have been in that overwhelmed, over stimulated. This is where
I'm more upset with the husband than I am the
actual mom.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
He had a great time, he took a little nap,
he had a drink, but.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know his he might have been sick. There's
there's factors, there's so much.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I know. I'm just I'm.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Trying to throw out all all all scenarios here to
try to feel and empathize a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I do think it's on them.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I do think I think it's more on the husband
than anybody, not even the mom really, yes, because an overstimulated,
uh over or.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Tired mom will we'll just sit there and just go
just whatever. You're not running.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
The other kid was an angel, like it was older,
sat for the higher flight just like kind of read books,
did the iPad for a little while, didn't make a
like sound like was so so good.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I've learned that the second child is is feral.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
What I hear?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, the second first one you're kind of learning and
growing together and they become like a very independent, like
leader type. The second one just feral, just and they
become they come into their own, they become sweet. Like
my six year olds is an angel now, yeah, but
he went through it, and that just what I imagine
(09:34):
is happening in this scenario with them, is they got
the two year old to sit and not climb all
over mom and not climb into the other seats, and
I guess, yeah, I could see that, but you still
have to do That's where I think the dad. That's
why I'm angry upset with the dad in this one,
because the dad has to step in and at least
move the kicking over to the other side of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Then like you get a break at least.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I mean, I'm not saying you should allow, but you
have to, like you have to do something.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So the seat for two and a half hours straight,
I mean, there really were no breaks. And then you know,
they were sitting behind me and my friend. There's an
order to getting off the plane, and they went ahead
of us, like they didn't even give us a chance,
you know what I mean, and like there are there
are four of you. To their credit, they did not
have any luggage. They didn't bring any carry on so
(10:24):
I'm like, okay, that's smart. They probably checked their bag.
They didn't even give us a chance to get out
in front of them, and we probably would have been faster.
And then you know the jet bridge when you like
get off the plane and there's that like little jet
bridge tunnel to get to the airport, they're in front
of us in the jet bridge and both of their
kids are walking. We cannot get around them, and they
(10:45):
are going so slow this pick the kid up, pick
the kid up? Like it was just I was at
my limit already after this two and a half hour flight,
and then that was just like the cherry on top
because of course, of course, like do you have no
awareness at all? And I hate to, like, you know,
hate on people and not have any empathy like I
(11:07):
really do. I do have empathy for parents traveling with kids.
I get that it's stressful. I really don't mind sitting
by kids on airplanes.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This is a different scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
But I don't want to sit in front of this
kid again.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is a different scenario.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Don't And they race to the front of the plane,
which I think is even equally as annoying, Like.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
We're gonna be faster than you. Yeah, you know, we
we are two adults and we have carry on bags, Like,
just let us get out before you we're gonna be
just let us get out of your way, you know
what I mean? Six one six two four to two
three ninety three. If you want to call and shame
me or not.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Being I don't think you are. I don't think you
need to be shaved at all.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Again, I think the dad's if if I look at
this whole scenario, the dad's what everybody should be angry
at in this this scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The kid is that what is the solution? Like they're
just there, isn't one. It's public transportation. At the end
of the day. You can't hold kids to adult standards.
I get that, but dang, can we do something? Can
we just say out loud like sorry about that? We
were talking about something earlier this morning, and it reminded
me when I was on the flight to the batch
(12:16):
trip that I took to Denver a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It was.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Supposed to be a relaxing flight out there. Usually I
get like the first flight out in the morning. This
time we didn't. We just kind of eased our way
into the day, went to the airport. We had like
a whole day in Denver before anyone was going to
get there. So this was going to be like the
relaxing flight in watch some stuff online, maybe take a
little snooze, have some coffee. Sure, and my seat was
(12:45):
kicked continuously for like two and a half hours straight
by a girl kid behind me not a grown up.
And I am very much okay with kids traveling. They
need to get places too. Sure, I don't mind if
kids sit by me, I don't mind if kids sit
in front of me, behind me, whatever. I don't hold
(13:06):
kids to adult standards because I don't think that that's fair.
But I do hold adults to adult standards. And the
parents is what I was really shocked at. They did
not apologize, They did not acknowledge this. They did not
tell this kid to stop, or if they did, I
didn't hear it, and I was listening for it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Well, because that's yeah, that's the thing they that's the
immediate thing they should do, because you gotta at least
attempt You're not always going to get the results that
you want, but you gotta at least attempt it. And
then you mentioned like that was the mom right sitting
with the little one. Yeah, Then there was another kid
there as well, Yeah, who's probably like what six seven
years old?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And then the dad, who is I think is actually
the most at fault here.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He was sitting in the same row as them. This
was behind us, but across the aisle. He had a
great time. He took a nap watched some stuff on
his phone, like he was checked out. Yeah, And I
was like, come on, man, especially because my best friend
and I were sitting in the same row traveling together
and the seat between us. I was sitting on the aisle,
(14:09):
she was sitting by the window. The seat in between
us was empty, completely empty, So like, kick that seat,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, six one, six, two four two ninety three, Good.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Morning, Welcome to the ninety three Morning show. What's your
name away from?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Hi, my name's Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm from Hudsonville.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
I was just calling about the two year old that
was kicking Alley's seat throughout the flight.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I would probably move over to the seat next to
her that was empty, But I also.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have a two year old, so I having kids. But
after hearing the seat was empty, I'm like.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, I probably would have moved over if that
was bothering me the whole time.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Was such a good shout that did not even occur
to me. I was my own problem that day, wasn't I.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know what, It's all good? Traveling with kids is
terrible awful.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I was just gonna say, don't you know the anxiety.
Couldn't you feel the anxiety when she just started saying
like this kid started kids started kicking the seat like
you automatically, as a parent, you feel like, oh my gosh,
I'm bothering everybody around me, even though you aren't.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes, yes, that's what we had when we flew with
our two year old.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It was awful. So I feel for you, but I
also feel for the parents.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I know that's the hardest part because I don't want
to make the parents feel bad and what's already a
stressful situation. But at the same time, like I kind
of feel like I need to say something.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, oh for sure, I would hope someone would say something.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is there something going on that I didn't catch?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yeah, but I hope that was their final destination and
they were not like getting a catch.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes, what do you what do you do with your
two year old?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
When when they started doing something like that, Because my
go to is an iPad, I'm being if I'm being
very honest, I'll sit him down for a minute in
that moment.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm not saying it's the best scenario, but that's what
I do.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, I think we limit scream time, but when you
need it, that's the best time that they're so zone in.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Oh we're like type A parents.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's plane right, I mean ife, it happens for five
minutes and we miss it. We're like no, no, no, don't
you know, don't do that. But so I feel and
I really struggle going to get this back tenfold if
I ever have kids.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
That doesn't make you a I don't think that makes
you a type A parent either. I think every parent
should have a sense of when your kid is crossing
a line, like you got to do something.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
One would hope. Yeah, thanks, Caitlin, have a great day
if you want to weigh in on this six one
six two four two ninety three ninety three. Has anyone
ever been through this as a parent and do you
have any like fail proof travel hacks that are like, oh,
turn on the iPad or like oh, keep them occupied,
(17:01):
like the things that are like kind of out there
kind of deep hacks but actually work.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Good morning, Welcome to the B ninety three Morning Show.
What's your name and where are you from?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (17:12):
My name's Brandy from Cloma.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Brandy.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
What do you do as a parent or as somebody
riding on the on the plane.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Oh, let me tell you a story I had a
couple of years ago. I was flying from Michigan to
California to these kids, probably fine and seven years old.
I'm a dad or across the aisle diagonal in front
of us with an instant, but they're sitting together. The
kids start fighting over a handheld device and ended up
(17:41):
hitting me. Oh and after my dirty glare, I finally
did the mom thing and I looked at both of
them and I said, you know you're not get off
or I'm sitting in between you, and I make sure
it was loud enough that the parents could hear me.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Oh man, that stuck with them forever. I promise you that,
I promise.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
They knocked it off and the rest of the flight
was very peaceful.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I remember my early days as a parent. So I
have three kids.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I have a ten year old, a six year old
almost six year old, and a two year old. But
I remember that first one and you're kind of figuring
it out and you're trying to get it together or whatever,
and you have an older parent or a parent who's
been doing it for a minute step in and do
that to you, and you go never again, never again.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And Mama Dad just looked at me and they didn't
say anything your oh, es, I'm playing with your infancts.
I was like, you kidding me.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
See, that's what I'm talking about. You can't hold kids
to adult standards, but parents are adults and they need
to be held to an adult standard. You at least
need to go through the motion and say, oh my gosh,
are they bothering you? I'm so sorry? Do you want
to switch seats? Something exactly?
Speaker 4 (18:49):
Or about one parent with two kids the other parents
sit with one.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
That's why I'm mad a dad on this one. I
think Dad didn't step in and help with the situation.
I think mom it sounds like like anyways, from what
I'm getting from the story, Mom was probably just tired
and overwhelmed and just was letting it play out, and
I think dad had to step in.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Thanks for the call, Brandy, appreciate it. Bye bye bye
six one six two four to two ninety three ninety three.
Has anyone ever said anything like Brandy intervened? Because the
parents weren't sitting in that row or right nearby, they
were kind of diagonal. I didn't say anything because I
just I don't want to add to the stress of
(19:31):
whatever you've got going on. So I just took it
and just was annoyed the whole flight. But the was
there a possibility that the mom didn't even notice this
that I find that really hard to believe.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You, No, the mom not like the only the only
thing I can think of is overwhelmed and overstimulated, where
you just you then your brain shuts down or you're
going to overreact like you're good. That's where you people
parents yells because usually those things happen overstimulated or overwhelmed.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, and you don't want that either.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You don't want that.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
So she may have just shut it off and was
just like, there's nothing I can do. That's again where
dad is supposed to step in and relief her, and
if it was the other way around, mom would step in.
That's the only thing I can think of when it
comes to whether or not I've said anything before. I'm
usually managing my own my own kids and trying to
get them. But there was a time where I'm sitting
(20:22):
and we have the It's me and Milo sitting by
each other, and my wife and my two other kids
are sitting in the road in front of us, and
the kid behind us was putting his feet through the
little center thing, and it was doing it to a
point yeah, where it got to be like too much.
And then my son thought it was funny, so he
started doing it to my wife and I this is
(20:43):
the only time I've been in front of you who's
in front of me, and this is the only time
I've ever I've ever done anything like this, But it worked.
I loudly said, Milo, we don't do that. We don't
put our feet in between the seats.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh perfect.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
And then that person behind us was like, oh, hey,
so and so, you know, because they didn't think it
was that big of a deal because I hadn't made
a big deal out of it. But that in teaching
my own kid, I actually taught I guess I taught
the adult
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