December 9, 2025 • 13 mins
What’s the wildest fight you’ve ever seen at a sporting event? That’s how this episode kicks off—and trust us, the stories only get crazier from there.
Join Bama Brown and Big Puma as they dive into a whirlwind of topics that blend sports, music, and life lessons. From jaw-dropping brawls at small-town dirt tracks to the inside scoop on Willie Nelson’s legendary financial comeback, this episode is packed with unforgettable moments and candid conversations.
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Join Bama Brown and Big Puma as they dive into a whirlwind of topics that blend sports, music, and life lessons. From jaw-dropping brawls at small-town dirt tracks to the inside scoop on Willie Nelson’s legendary financial comeback, this episode is packed with unforgettable moments and candid conversations.
You’ll hear:
- The truth about grassroots racing rivalries—why local dirt tracks make NASCAR look tame.
- South by Southwest secrets—does anyone really make it big from SXSW anymore?
- Willie Nelson’s wisdom—how losing millions taught him not to care about money (and how he got it all back with interest!).
- A nostalgic look at music icons like Hanson, Spoon, and the Bodines, plus a hilarious take on Ashley Judd’s iconic “sick of it” scene from Heat.
Don’t miss out—subscribe now to The Bama Brown Experience on your favorite podcast platform. If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review and share it with a friend who loves great stories. Your support keeps the conversation going!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, hi everybody, Man Brown, would you along with my
cohort and my co host, my my homie who sometimes
when things are not good at the house he lets
me say over his place. Uh, it's the big Cat Puma.
You guys are live tonight with your podcast, the most
popular sports podcast on internet anywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think, yeah, well again, there's there's a lot of qualifiers.
Probably they're the most popular podcast done by a long haired,
six foot four hippie who played half a semester of
college of basketball. But yes, all of all of the qualifiers. Aside,
I completely agree with you. Yeah, marketing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Marketing was not your major, was it?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
As you said yesterday, I mean the hell if you
miss an episode, trust me, you didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's not like any other show promotion where if you
miss this you miss a lot. Yeah you missing trust me?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, trust me, I'm a bullshit different days. Yeah, well,
at least we're honest about it. I think that's the
I think that's the key difference here. Yeah we are.
We are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Let's see, it's Tuesday, so we are live doing the
radio show. As you mentioned yesterday, I should throw that
out there as well. Over on ticket seven sixty here
in San Antonio. Always can find it on the iHeart app.
And then we'll be live on YouTube tonight doing some
normal Tuesday high jinks at sports Cave Live.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Come hang out with us.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
He does so much stuff. I remember when I was young,
I enjoyed doing this. It was a lot of fun.
But this is I'm down to just the one thing now.
You know, I'm not on radio anymore. I like this
podcast over because a big cat, because it Sam. I
enjoy doing this with you.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is the one I have the most fun doing
because I don't have to worry about middle aged dudes
blowing up my dms because I said something about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The sports team that they read.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You know, like we're just having fun, Like we're talking
about heads and people that have robbed the same store
thirty days.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
A road like this, this is way more fun than worrying.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
About the stupid cowboys or the longhorned playoff chances or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Guy sent me a video of a local stock car race.
I don't know where it was, local North Carolina. I'm sure.
I mean the entire stands, women, kids are in the
biggest brawl you ever seen in your life. Hell yeah,
And he said, well, as long as it was something
important a NASCAR not even a NASCAR, right, I mean
(02:30):
a local dirt track. I've seen some awesome fights.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was going to say, that's where you get the
real fights, because those dudes you want to talk about,
you know, the NASCAR bad blood, A lot of that
has played up fake to try to get eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
On the product. You go to some of these.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
One of the biggest fights I ever saw in my
life was at a dirt track in Stephenville, Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That was Stephenville's dirt Yeah, that was a famous dirt
track man.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So that's what I grew up going to.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It was about, you know, less than thirty miles away
from my old podunk small that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
On the highway there. I remember seeing. It is a
quarter mile dirt track and it's got nice stands. I mean,
it's a neat neat that's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Those are fun good nights. Those are good Friday nights.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I saw where eighty two million Americans traveled over Thanksgiving.
I pity every one of you. I hope y'all had,
especially with all the issues that were going on with
I think all that's kind of settled down now. From
the from the uh, from the airports.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, it seems like they've gotten at least some
level of normalcy back. But I wouldn't have I wouldn't
have wanted to be one of the eighty two million
to test that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, God, no, I don't on the road or otherwise.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
One of my favorite movies, Heat is Heat Too is on? Uh.
This is going to have Leonardo DiCaprio and Kristen bale
On on Heat Too. Already committed to it, filming it
as we speak. Heat won, I swear. One of my
favorite things is my daughter laughs about It Too is Uh?
(04:05):
When it had Ashley Judd, who, oh my gosh, she's
smoking hot in that. She's smoking hot in any of
our movies, man, but in this one she really had uh.
And she's you know, Robert de Niro catches her in
the motel with Frank Zara, you know, slimy deal, and
he goes, you need it, you're gonna go back to him,
(04:26):
and she goes, I'm sick of it, sick of it.
My daughter hasful, she'll go sick of it, sick of it.
You know, there's that good drop.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, that's a good drop to have.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A good drop, just sick of it. I was like, Uh, anyway,
that's pretty Uh, that's pretty cool south By.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
What's the timeline on Heat too?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Next? Next year? It won't be this year. It definitely
well this year. I mean we're December, but I'm thinking
I think it may even be twenty seven. I don't know,
hopefully twenty six. I sure would like to to see it. Uh.
South By has got their announcement out of the artists,
and I'm just gonna make my statement, why don't you
announce an artist that actually got something out of south By?
(05:06):
That would be a pretty cool thing, any kind of
record contract, anything that they actually made money on. Otherwise
it's just a bunch of guys making a bunch of
money with clubs, and the artists are doing it because
they're gonna have a future. Get you'll end up with something,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I hate, I hate, I hate to be that guy.
But it wasn't that long ago that I remember going
to south By and you could actually see a lot
of really good shows for free.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Absolutely walk into a bar and be like, oh damn,
that's such and such, so and so playing like I
can't believe I saw a third Eye Blind one year
for free at south By because we were just randomly
walking bar to bar.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I knew, you know, as I was in rock and
rolling country radio for thirty eight years, I knew a
lot of record reps. And I'd ask you, I, God,
has anybody ever gotten anything from the from south By?
You know, it's it's a it's just a big vacation
for a lot of And he told me, he said,
the only one that I know of. He said, the Hansens.
Remember the Hansens and people, yeah, yeah, said the Hansons
(06:13):
are in the drist Scol and they called this rep,
called this rep. And this rep was pretty high up.
And he and they're in the bar in the Driscoll, which,
by the way, is where Matthew McConaughey got discovered. He
was the bartender in the Driscoll. And the guy that
was shooting Days in Confew said, man, I want you
to read for this movie. Yeah, that's how That's how
(06:35):
Matthew got discovered. But the Hansons, the three of them
are in the drist Scole and the guy he tells,
meet me in the bar and he's like, the guy said,
he's literally walking out of the bar and the three
of them get there when they're supposed to. This guy's
already leaving. You know, he's in the record rep. Got
no respect for anybody. And he goes, okay, you got
(06:58):
thirty seconds sing and they sang the B Bop just
the course, and he goes he's listening to it. He goes,
all right, you got a deal and here's card. Call
this number Monday. And that turned into one of them.
I mean, they had a big, huge hit and did
pretty well money wise. I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
About to say, I mean, it's still twenty it's twenty
twenty five, and we still remember who they are.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, I don't think they had I don't think
they had more than you know, you'll see those Austin bands.
You know, Fastball had that one song, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That, Yeah, the way, like, where are we.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Going to give me? Give me one? You know. I
have a good friend of mine that the Alex went
to school with their daughter, and their daughter is just wonderful.
The Boatings, the band of the.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Boatings talking about them, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They're in They're in Dripping Springs And I got to
catch up with them at this wedding. Hadn't seen them
for and I said, are y'all you know is uh
his wife? I said, what are y'all? I said, do
y'all still touring? And she said, we got a hundred
twenty dates book for next year. There's still a touring band, man,
And I mean, maybe it's their thirtieth anniversary and they
(08:07):
still make a living, you know, doing the They had
a couple of really super hits, you know, they did
really well.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So yeah, the other, you know, now that you say that,
the other I think the band I've probably seen the
most at south By over the last twenty years is
uh Spoon.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They always will be playing somewhere and usually it's a
free show. Yeah, you can pop over, We'll drive. We've
driven over from San Antonio half a dozen times to
see them when they're doing a free show at auditorium
or somewhere over there. Every now and there's still something worth,
but it seems like most of it has been taken
over by you know, corporate interest. Charging three hundred dollars
(08:51):
for a wristband to get act.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
They don't they don't pay that. They start these guys
out in debt. You know, you got to pay for
the bus and the bands and all the equipment, and
then you you're working against it and you don't ever
get caught up a lot of times, and you might
until you start writing or getting credit for the writing
or producing when you produce. That's how they cut you
a little extra money. But manners, guys, it just I mean,
(09:14):
they starred death great musicians that are my favorite. Willie
Nelson's story and he told me this. He said he
had written Hello Walls and tried to sell it to
Jim ed Brown for one hundred dollars. He said. Jim
Brown said, goddamn, Willy, I'll loan you one hundred dollars
and you keep that song. And he did, and he
made I want to say, he made a hundred grand
(09:35):
on it, you know, in the grand scheme of things.
But okay, it's been so long since Willy told me
that story. But it's not a name dropper to you, O.
People know I know Willy. But you can't work radio
thirty eight years in Austin and not know Willy. I mean,
what's the name.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Of the guy, the Nashville guy that made it a real,
real big hit, one of the godfathers of the opry
of nash Uh Pharaoh far and fair and young.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, I think it was fair, fair and young. Yeah, Hello,
woes for you. That's a great song man. And then
Willy of course did it that Willy's had one hundred
and fifty albums. I think it was he told me
one time. But he said, back then, you know, starving
to death man, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And so cranking them out.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But that's one of the things he said. I learned
not to care about money, and that way, when I
lost it all, it didn't bother me. But I'll tell
this this is I know this for a fact too,
that it was Uh, who's the guys that do the uh,
the guys that handle their money. I'm not gonna say
their name. That way doesn't turn into a thing. The
company that deal did all his money for him. They
(10:43):
invested it in cattle. Uh, they were investing it to
lose money. You know. He was supposed to lose money
that year, so he didn't have to pay the taxes. Sure,
we're talking to millions of dollars. Well, Willie didn't keep
up with that. He had these guys and they lost
a whole bunch of it and screwed up the tax thing,
and that's I mean, it was all on them. And
(11:03):
he never said a word to them or about them
to anyone publicly. That's Willie. He would he goes, I'm
not going to do aug them or anything. And then
he finally, he finally because the other thing he really
cared about was golf and weed, you know, and coach
Royle bought his golf course at the auction and gave
it back to him. Once he's got my golf course back,
what I care?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You know, what else do you need?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
God, he had his own Wii. He's always good. But
he said, uh, he said, he goes, but I it's
somehow I saw an ad or something. I can't remember
the whole story. He got mad about them losing his
money and not trying to fix it, and so he
had his guy call them and it would be a
company you'd recognize the name to handle his financials and
(11:46):
handled me as the financials for people. And he said,
I my guys called him and said, you know, will
he's tired but not having extra cash, why don't you
make good on and before he goes public and tells
every everybody what you did, because it was totally their
screw up, not his Yeah, and they gave will He
told me this a face to fate. He said. Not
(12:08):
only did they give me all my money back, he
said that I lost. He said, they paid.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Me interest with interest.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Baby, I want to say, it's and you don't know
what Willy's worth it and never but it was over
fifty million dollars. I mean it was a lot of money.
It doesn't sur he won. And at one time he
had a hundred houses in Austin and they and they
hadn't paid the taxes on it. One year, all the
property tax in the city of Austin was in trouble
(12:34):
because Willy hadn't paid his property tax. That's years ago.
And then of course they got it all caught up.
But still, it's that kind of stuff. Man, when somebody's
counting you money for you to watch out because they
have a huge one for me, one for you, two
for me, one for you.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, we saw the same thing happen over here
in San Antonio with Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean, oh exactly. Yeah, Ad guys are screwed him
over too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean that's it's pretty common, and you just don't
a lot of the guys you don't hear. You don't
hear about it because it's it's a bit of like
I don't want people knowing that I got screwed over.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Right, same thing happened to Earl you know, the Earl Campbell.
They had stole a bunch of his money and couldn't
prove it, you know, in the end, or you know,
because these guys are trusting people. Well appreciate you. Listen.
We'll come back tomorrow, maybe do some more of this
Well, hi everybody, Man Brown, would you along with my
cohort and my co host, my my homie who sometimes
when things are not good at the house he lets
me say over his place. Uh, it's the big Cat Puma.
You guys are live tonight with your podcast, the most
popular sports podcast on internet anywhere.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I think, yeah, well again, there's there's a lot of qualifiers.
Probably they're the most popular podcast done by a long haired,
six foot four hippie who played half a semester of
college of basketball. But yes, all of all of the qualifiers. Aside,
I completely agree with you. Yeah, marketing.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Marketing was not your major, was it?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
As you said yesterday, I mean the hell if you
miss an episode, trust me, you didn't miss anything.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's not like any other show promotion where if you
miss this you miss a lot. Yeah you missing trust me?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, trust me, I'm a bullshit different days. Yeah, well,
at least we're honest about it. I think that's the
I think that's the key difference here. Yeah we are.
We are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Let's see, it's Tuesday, so we are live doing the
radio show. As you mentioned yesterday, I should throw that
out there as well. Over on ticket seven sixty here
in San Antonio. Always can find it on the iHeart app.
And then we'll be live on YouTube tonight doing some
normal Tuesday high jinks at sports Cave Live.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Come hang out with us.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
He does so much stuff. I remember when I was young,
I enjoyed doing this. It was a lot of fun.
But this is I'm down to just the one thing now.
You know, I'm not on radio anymore. I like this
podcast over because a big cat, because it Sam. I
enjoy doing this with you.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is the one I have the most fun doing
because I don't have to worry about middle aged dudes
blowing up my dms because I said something about.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
The sports team that they read.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
You know, like we're just having fun, Like we're talking
about heads and people that have robbed the same store
thirty days.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
A road like this, this is way more fun than worrying.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
About the stupid cowboys or the longhorned playoff chances or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Guy sent me a video of a local stock car race.
I don't know where it was, local North Carolina. I'm sure.
I mean the entire stands, women, kids are in the
biggest brawl you ever seen in your life. Hell yeah,
And he said, well, as long as it was something
important a NASCAR not even a NASCAR, right, I mean
(02:30):
a local dirt track. I've seen some awesome fights.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was going to say, that's where you get the
real fights, because those dudes you want to talk about,
you know, the NASCAR bad blood, A lot of that
has played up fake to try to get eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
On the product. You go to some of these.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
One of the biggest fights I ever saw in my
life was at a dirt track in Stephenville, Texas.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
That was Stephenville's dirt Yeah, that was a famous dirt
track man.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So that's what I grew up going to.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
It was about, you know, less than thirty miles away
from my old podunk small that's right.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
On the highway there. I remember seeing. It is a
quarter mile dirt track and it's got nice stands. I mean,
it's a neat neat that's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Those are fun good nights. Those are good Friday nights.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I saw where eighty two million Americans traveled over Thanksgiving.
I pity every one of you. I hope y'all had,
especially with all the issues that were going on with
I think all that's kind of settled down now. From
the from the uh, from the airports.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
You know, it seems like they've gotten at least some
level of normalcy back. But I wouldn't have I wouldn't
have wanted to be one of the eighty two million
to test that.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
No, God, no, I don't on the road or otherwise.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
One of my favorite movies, Heat is Heat Too is on? Uh.
This is going to have Leonardo DiCaprio and Kristen bale
On on Heat Too. Already committed to it, filming it
as we speak. Heat won, I swear. One of my
favorite things is my daughter laughs about It Too is Uh?
(04:05):
When it had Ashley Judd, who, oh my gosh, she's
smoking hot in that. She's smoking hot in any of
our movies, man, but in this one she really had uh.
And she's you know, Robert de Niro catches her in
the motel with Frank Zara, you know, slimy deal, and
he goes, you need it, you're gonna go back to him,
(04:26):
and she goes, I'm sick of it, sick of it.
My daughter hasful, she'll go sick of it, sick of it.
You know, there's that good drop.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, that's a good drop to have.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A good drop, just sick of it. I was like, Uh, anyway,
that's pretty Uh, that's pretty cool south By.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
What's the timeline on Heat too?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Next? Next year? It won't be this year. It definitely
well this year. I mean we're December, but I'm thinking
I think it may even be twenty seven. I don't know,
hopefully twenty six. I sure would like to to see it. Uh.
South By has got their announcement out of the artists,
and I'm just gonna make my statement, why don't you
announce an artist that actually got something out of south By?
(05:06):
That would be a pretty cool thing, any kind of
record contract, anything that they actually made money on. Otherwise
it's just a bunch of guys making a bunch of
money with clubs, and the artists are doing it because
they're gonna have a future. Get you'll end up with something,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I hate, I hate, I hate to be that guy.
But it wasn't that long ago that I remember going
to south By and you could actually see a lot
of really good shows for free.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Absolutely walk into a bar and be like, oh damn,
that's such and such, so and so playing like I
can't believe I saw a third Eye Blind one year
for free at south By because we were just randomly
walking bar to bar.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I knew, you know, as I was in rock and
rolling country radio for thirty eight years, I knew a
lot of record reps. And I'd ask you, I, God,
has anybody ever gotten anything from the from south By?
You know, it's it's a it's just a big vacation
for a lot of And he told me, he said,
the only one that I know of. He said, the Hansens.
Remember the Hansens and people, yeah, yeah, said the Hansons
(06:13):
are in the drist Scol and they called this rep,
called this rep. And this rep was pretty high up.
And he and they're in the bar in the Driscoll, which,
by the way, is where Matthew McConaughey got discovered. He
was the bartender in the Driscoll. And the guy that
was shooting Days in Confew said, man, I want you
to read for this movie. Yeah, that's how That's how
(06:35):
Matthew got discovered. But the Hansons, the three of them
are in the drist Scole and the guy he tells,
meet me in the bar and he's like, the guy said,
he's literally walking out of the bar and the three
of them get there when they're supposed to. This guy's
already leaving. You know, he's in the record rep. Got
no respect for anybody. And he goes, okay, you got
(06:58):
thirty seconds sing and they sang the B Bop just
the course, and he goes he's listening to it. He goes,
all right, you got a deal and here's card. Call
this number Monday. And that turned into one of them.
I mean, they had a big, huge hit and did
pretty well money wise. I think I'm.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
About to say, I mean, it's still twenty it's twenty
twenty five, and we still remember who they are.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, I don't think they had I don't think
they had more than you know, you'll see those Austin bands.
You know, Fastball had that one song, you know.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
That, Yeah, the way, like, where are we.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Going to give me? Give me one? You know. I
have a good friend of mine that the Alex went
to school with their daughter, and their daughter is just wonderful.
The Boatings, the band of the.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Boatings talking about them, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
They're in They're in Dripping Springs And I got to
catch up with them at this wedding. Hadn't seen them
for and I said, are y'all you know is uh
his wife? I said, what are y'all? I said, do
y'all still touring? And she said, we got a hundred
twenty dates book for next year. There's still a touring band, man,
And I mean, maybe it's their thirtieth anniversary and they
(08:07):
still make a living, you know, doing the They had
a couple of really super hits, you know, they did
really well.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So yeah, the other, you know, now that you say that,
the other I think the band I've probably seen the
most at south By over the last twenty years is
uh Spoon.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They always will be playing somewhere and usually it's a
free show. Yeah, you can pop over, We'll drive. We've
driven over from San Antonio half a dozen times to
see them when they're doing a free show at auditorium
or somewhere over there. Every now and there's still something worth,
but it seems like most of it has been taken
over by you know, corporate interest. Charging three hundred dollars
(08:51):
for a wristband to get act.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
They don't they don't pay that. They start these guys
out in debt. You know, you got to pay for
the bus and the bands and all the equipment, and
then you you're working against it and you don't ever
get caught up a lot of times, and you might
until you start writing or getting credit for the writing
or producing when you produce. That's how they cut you
a little extra money. But manners, guys, it just I mean,
(09:14):
they starred death great musicians that are my favorite. Willie
Nelson's story and he told me this. He said he
had written Hello Walls and tried to sell it to
Jim ed Brown for one hundred dollars. He said. Jim
Brown said, goddamn, Willy, I'll loan you one hundred dollars
and you keep that song. And he did, and he
made I want to say, he made a hundred grand
(09:35):
on it, you know, in the grand scheme of things.
But okay, it's been so long since Willy told me
that story. But it's not a name dropper to you, O.
People know I know Willy. But you can't work radio
thirty eight years in Austin and not know Willy. I mean,
what's the name.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Of the guy, the Nashville guy that made it a real,
real big hit, one of the godfathers of the opry
of nash Uh Pharaoh far and fair and young.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, I think it was fair, fair and young. Yeah, Hello,
woes for you. That's a great song man. And then
Willy of course did it that Willy's had one hundred
and fifty albums. I think it was he told me
one time. But he said, back then, you know, starving
to death man, you know.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And so cranking them out.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But that's one of the things he said. I learned
not to care about money, and that way, when I
lost it all, it didn't bother me. But I'll tell
this this is I know this for a fact too,
that it was Uh, who's the guys that do the uh,
the guys that handle their money. I'm not gonna say
their name. That way doesn't turn into a thing. The
company that deal did all his money for him. They
(10:43):
invested it in cattle. Uh, they were investing it to
lose money. You know. He was supposed to lose money
that year, so he didn't have to pay the taxes. Sure,
we're talking to millions of dollars. Well, Willie didn't keep
up with that. He had these guys and they lost
a whole bunch of it and screwed up the tax thing,
and that's I mean, it was all on them. And
(11:03):
he never said a word to them or about them
to anyone publicly. That's Willie. He would he goes, I'm
not going to do aug them or anything. And then
he finally, he finally because the other thing he really
cared about was golf and weed, you know, and coach
Royle bought his golf course at the auction and gave
it back to him. Once he's got my golf course back,
what I care?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
You know, what else do you need?
Speaker 1 (11:25):
God, he had his own Wii. He's always good. But
he said, uh, he said, he goes, but I it's
somehow I saw an ad or something. I can't remember
the whole story. He got mad about them losing his
money and not trying to fix it, and so he
had his guy call them and it would be a
company you'd recognize the name to handle his financials and
(11:46):
handled me as the financials for people. And he said,
I my guys called him and said, you know, will
he's tired but not having extra cash, why don't you
make good on and before he goes public and tells
every everybody what you did, because it was totally their
screw up, not his Yeah, and they gave will He
told me this a face to fate. He said. Not
(12:08):
only did they give me all my money back, he
said that I lost. He said, they paid.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Me interest with interest.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Baby, I want to say, it's and you don't know
what Willy's worth it and never but it was over
fifty million dollars. I mean it was a lot of money.
It doesn't sur he won. And at one time he
had a hundred houses in Austin and they and they
hadn't paid the taxes on it. One year, all the
property tax in the city of Austin was in trouble
(12:34):
because Willy hadn't paid his property tax. That's years ago.
And then of course they got it all caught up.
But still, it's that kind of stuff. Man, when somebody's
counting you money for you to watch out because they
have a huge one for me, one for you, two
for me, one for you.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, we saw the same thing happen over here
in San Antonio with Tim Duncan.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean, oh exactly. Yeah, Ad guys are screwed him
over too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean that's it's pretty common, and you just don't
a lot of the guys you don't hear. You don't
hear about it because it's it's a bit of like
I don't want people knowing that I got screwed over.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Right, same thing happened to Earl you know, the Earl Campbell.
They had stole a bunch of his money and couldn't
prove it, you know, in the end, or you know,
because these guys are trusting people. Well appreciate you. Listen.
We'll come back tomorrow, maybe do some more of this
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