May 19, 2025 • 15 mins
In this unforgettable episode of The Bama Brown Experience, Bama sits down with the ever-charismatic Big Puma from The Sports Cave to swap war stories from the wild world of radio, share hard-earned wisdom, and laugh through the chaos of careers built on live mics and unpredictable moments.
From topless bar sponsorships to being accused of payola at a rodeo, Bama recounts some of the most outrageous - and oddly inspiring - moments of his broadcasting journey. You’ll hear about:
Tune in now to hear how a joke, a truck dealership, and a missed satellite deal all shaped the legend of Bama Brown. Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who needs a laugh—or a little career advice wrapped in comedy.
From topless bar sponsorships to being accused of payola at a rodeo, Bama recounts some of the most outrageous - and oddly inspiring - moments of his broadcasting journey. You’ll hear about:
- 🎤 A joke that nearly cost him his job… until it didn’t.
- 💼 The $100,000 opportunity he walked away from—and the brutal honesty that followed.
- 🧠 The workplace lawsuit that turned a Darth Vader insult into a $40,000 payday.
- 🐱 Why cats might be the new currency for workplace insults.
Tune in now to hear how a joke, a truck dealership, and a missed satellite deal all shaped the legend of Bama Brown. Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who needs a laugh—or a little career advice wrapped in comedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well, hey and Hattie to you Bama Brown on the
Bama Brown Experience.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I have my own shows. So that tells you just
how bad a shape this country, as in, when you
just give anybody a show.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You hear that young man laughing in the background. That's
a big cat Puma who has a sports cave.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How do we get that, buddy? Oh man?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
If if you haven't, if you as a Texas Radio
Hall of Famer, having your own show is a bad
sign for this country, then I don't know what me
having my own show is because.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Credible, it's the sports show everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So how do I if I want to own? It's live tonight?
Right it is?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah we are. We are officially live Monday and Wednesday
nights on YouTube. But you can always catch the audio
versions of the show anywhere you get your podcast. Just
search for the Sports Cave with Biggest Puma.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And you do that show live from Jugs Topless Bar,
don't you?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And that you're still working.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Out of that deal and they are our biggest sponsor.
Yeah yeah, the Topless Bar in the Bear County Crematorium.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Just a big shout out to Lacey who will be
on stage shortly here. Yeah, she'll be up any minute, okay,
And she loves you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's her true love. It isn't just yeah, it's not
because you're giving her money. She really loves you and
you could change your life. Yeah, be sure and ask
her about that. Now. Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
If this don't work out, buddy, we're in good shape
because McDonald's is going to hire seventy five thousand workers
this summer.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So I feel like they've they've been running skeleton crews
for far too long. It shouldn't take that long to
get some chicken nuggets.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The one over there by Bashtrop's total kaos total chaos.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It is total chaos.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
But it was got the kiosk, you know where you
just go in and you don't even talk to a person.
You can kiosk your order and you don't have to
talk to somebody who's unhappy and underpaid.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
They were somewhere else anyway, good luck.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Plus are minuses to the kiosk because you can you
can get certain order combinations on the kiosk that you
can you know, like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
ask the attendant or the you know, cash register employee
to make me a big mac on an egg mcmut
or on an English muffit, you know, but you can
(02:18):
do all of that through the kiosk and you don't
feel like nearly as much of a jerk.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I got a feeling with seventy five thousand workers the question.
So there was no convictions. You's gonna be asking a
lot of these interviews, just charges, but no convictions you.
So yeah, come on board, make your ex right there,
all right. So I thought this was interesting. This tells
you about the workplace in this day and age. So
(02:46):
Lona Rooke, I believes her name. She's up in Pennsylvania.
She was awarded by jury forty thousand dollars because a
coworker said, you're attitude, you're like a Darth Vader and
she she said, yeah, okay, well she suit her and
(03:08):
one for calling, you know, just an insult of Darth Vader.
And that reminds me of a program director we had
that was such a jerk that every time he would
walk in the room, my partner Rob would start playing
the Darth Vader song the Dune and.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Forty thousand dollars every time apparently.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And he never caught on.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Now, one time did he go, you know, because he
just turned the music and he just knew there was
music in the background. But now once did he go,
why is it? Why aren't their country coming out? Why
is it the Darth Vader? Every time he walked into booth,
that's never caught on.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I'm still struggling if being called Darth Vader is worth
forty thousand dollars some of the stuff I've been called
at a different jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Worth just on this show, this show alone.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I'm keeping running notes over here.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I can't give you any cash, But how would you
feel about some cats?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I gave you a cat?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean somewhat fair.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, Oh they're good. They're sweet, They're so sweet. But
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I was trying to think of all the things that
I've had said to me, said about me, said straight
to me, you know. And I remember one time I
was accused of Heyola, I was at the rodeo and
this was this was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Program director did this.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So that's yeah, that's exactly right. There was. I've had
one out of twenty five that have been out of
twenty five that have been great. The other twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wow. Anyway, so they're.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Having the Rodeo grounds out there, and they lost their
sponsor and Bennie Boyd Dodge was one of their sponsors.
And I've been Benny spokesperson for you know, thirty something years.
So Benny says, yeah, I'll write the check, because that's
that's the kind of guy he is. He's just it's
about the kids with him. It's not about promote. He
doesn't need any marketing or promotion, trust me. And so
he writes me go check. But so the rodeo people
(05:11):
felt so obligated that they hung up a bunch of Bennie.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Boyd banners around the Rodeo arena. Huh. So, I mean,
there's it's too much.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And then they shot a video, asked Bennie to sit
for a video and do a and read a deal
about the Rodeo Scholarship fund and all that. And so
in Benny's shy, he doesn't he's one. He doesn't want attention.
I mean, he's you know. And so I'm intro in
the band. Then we got what six seven thousand people
there at this thing. The band is getting ready to
(05:42):
come on and play, and I'm there to introduce the band,
and I go, but first, folks, we have a video
we want to show you from Benny Boyd and it's
Bennie talking and then with all the banners, and with that,
I went. At the end of it, I went, well,
if y'all buy a truck from Bennie had really help
us out. And everybody laughed really hard because I delivered
(06:04):
it well. It was a funny line and it was
obvious to everybody in this rodeo arena. Oh my god,
too much. It's just too much, you know. So the
next day I'm at the radio station and I come
walking down the hallway and this program director jumps right in.
My shit, I need to see you right now. I go, okay,
so I'll walk in. Oh sure, I'll walk in. And
I mean I never got yelled at. You know, I
(06:25):
hadn't done anything that I knew of. He goes, last
night on that stage you for Paola, you plugged Bennie Boyd.
And I started laughing and I said, dude, the last
thing Bennie boy did he does that stage was plugging.
That was a joke, I said, And everybody laughed, and
he goes, well, I didn't laugh, and you know who
(06:45):
else didn't laugh? And I go oho, and he goes
the guy with IBM that's paying for that stage. He
didn't laugh at all. And I went, well, I wasn't
doing any plug for Bennie. It was the exact opposite.
And he goes, well, nobody laughed around me, and I said, well,
everybody I heard laughed really hard. And he said you
don't on that stage. We on that stage, and I said, Jason,
and his name was Jason Bowick. I said, Jason, if
(07:08):
I tell a stupid joke, or I cussed at Rona,
I do something that deserves to get yelled at, I'll
take it.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
If it was a joke that fell flat, i'd take it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But I said, you accusing me of Paolo was about
get your ass with And I was serious, I said,
I said, I got a few things I do, but
I don't. I don't take bribes to talk about somebody
on the air, especially.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I mean, he just completely well.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I knew he didn't hear the joke because he was
working in the back, but as I said, that's enough because.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He was yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I said, you don't get to yell at me
after that, And about that time, Dusty, our boss, came
walking down. He heard the yelling, so he walked in
and he said, what everybody calmed down? I said, we're calm.
I said, he just accusing me of Paola, and Dusty goes, well,
the guy from IBM, he really got upset and I said, man,
(08:01):
if I didn't even know IBM.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Sponsored the stage, I said, I will.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Go there tonight on my own time, and I'll do
the biggest ad for IBM you ever heard in your life.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I said, I had no idea. I don't but I
think be an ad, not a joke. Like I told.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I was like, hey, IBM sponsoring his stage, great company,
great people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I didn't you know. I just didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And but what was awesome And this is what's what's
great boom on this one. This is the one time
God looked down on me and said, you know what,
I'm gonna throw you one. The vice president at the
time we were clear Channel. The vice president of clear Channel
lived in Austin and was at that rodeo that night,
and he walks up and he's very seldom in the office,
(08:44):
but he walked up and he said the line of.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The night man that by Trump for me anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He said that like killed and he's above both these
other guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I said, so you got it. It was a
funny joke. He goes, wow, man, it was hilarious. And
I knew. I knew his name was John. His name
is John, and I knew John really well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And I said, thank you, John, And I just looked
at both these other two my buddy and then this
PD asshole, and I said, just grinned at him and
turn them walked.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Out because I was like, I think this meeting's over.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, no words were needed, just didn't need.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
To go thank you for getting the job the joke, John,
and then I turned and walked out. So in about
twenty minutes after both of them explained to Cohen John
what had what had aspired at the deal? Collen is
what John is? John Cullen, all right, there's anyway John
comes walking in back there where I'm getting ready to
(09:40):
at my desk, getting ready to do my show, and
John goes, well actually, and I go.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, no, no, no, no, you don't get to them.
You don't get to come back in. After they went
in there and crying to you about to have him guy,
I go, you said it was funny. You got the joke.
You can't even.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Being the vice president of the company nationwide, you can't
get to yell at me now, because that's not fair.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, it was a joke. Everybody knew of the joke.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I bem guy Bob offered to fix it. But so
I go, but you can't start yelling at me for
because I didn't know. And he said, all right, I'll
let it go.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So he let it go.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But he had plenty of other opportunities to yell at me.
He uh, here's another good John story. He this is
totally true story. They were putting together satellite shows, you know,
where you'd have multiple markets, and I'd approached this guy
that worked for our company, and I said, hey, Rob
and I were thinking about maybe we take on a
(10:33):
few more, the smaller markets, you know, and the guy goes, man,
I got five you could take right now. So when
I get back to the station, I've kind of I
had already kind of run this by Rob, but at
the time Gary didn't want to work any harder or
other partner. And then the program director said, I ain't
going for this at all, because all y'all are going
to do is worry about your satellite show and you
(10:53):
ain't gonna care about my case one on one show anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I go, no, man, that's not true. We can
do this, we can do both. You know. No, I
ain't doing it, ain't going for it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I had to go and call the guy after
I had the idea, I had to call a guy
that was over.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This deal and say, yeah, we can't do the satellite deal.
That's for all.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Feeling in the world when you commit and then have
to crawl back and behind.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I mean, and crawl was the word. And Allen was
a great guy. But Alan goes, all right, I want
to get this straight. In the age of all the
smaller markets in Austin at the time was market fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The markets twenty and above are all going this way.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
But he said, in the age of smaller markets, you're
telling me you don't want to do a salite, you
don't want to increase in pay, you don't want all
these things. And I went, yeah, that's what I'm telling you,
and he goes okay. So within twenty minutes my phone
rings and it's John Cullen, this big boss, the vice
president of the company. He goes, I need to see
(11:52):
you in my office, which was across town in about
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I go okay, So I got my car, I drove
over there. I'll walk in.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And when I walk in the door, he goes, no, no, no, no, no,
stay right there. It's just stay right there. I just
want to look at the stupidest son ititch in the.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Country right now.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I just want to hold that pose in the doorframe
because I knew John as well. John, by the way,
his initials JC for Jesus Christ. That's how big John
was in this coming. He goes, hey, stay right here.
I just want to I just want the light.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Behind you to look at her, the stupidest son of
a bitch.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Not just in radio, but I think in corporate America
right now, in the planet.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That guy right there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It was your idea, and then you decided you didn't
want to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I said, okay, well here it is. This is
the deal.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I said, I couldn't get the program director on board,
I couldn't get the GM on board. And I said
I couldn't get one of.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
My co hosts on board. I said I had one.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Co host and said if anybody else wants to do it,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I said, that's what I had.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Unless you want to get on the email and tell
everybody we're doing this, give them an order and say
you're to be doing this. You're gonna make more money,
You're gonna work a little harder, but not that much harder.
And he said, well, if you and I'll never forget this.
And I've never forgotten this. So this is twenty some
years ago. He said, if you really wanted it, it
would have happened. So remember that. That said, if you
(13:16):
take away anything from this show today, if you really
want it, it'll happen. If you can't give it one
hundred and ten percent. And I could have.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I could have told it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I could have started my own and done my own
satellite show and told these other guys to piss off
and go, look, you don't want to be on, you
don't have to, you don't want you're not. I can
do it in the booth back there after my show.
And if I'd really wanted it, it would have happened.
And I mean it worked out fine like I did.
But that was one of those things John was great about.
(13:49):
The same guy that said he's you know, he said,
that's funniest line I heard. He said, stay right, just
stay right there. I just want to look at you
for a minute. I just want to see the stupidest.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
He goes. Maybe be the stupidest person the planet. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There's probably some you know, some terrorists blowing himself up
somewhere for some cause that you know, nobody cares about.
But right now, I think for radio anyway, this I'm
looking at you.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, outside of those guys, here is the stupidest.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, the five markets, he goes, I got five markets.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'll put you on tomorrow. You don't even do anything,
just go in there and do it, and you'll get
the money. You know from that, you'll get the money
from the advertisers. Uh. To put it in perspective, it
costs me one hundred grand a year. Probably it would
have made in addition to my salary.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So he's right.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, and you know, as a good manager, he tears
you down and then gives you some of the best
advice you probably have ever.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Absolutely, and I still I saw him well, I saw
him a couple of years ago and we had a
great laugh together, good times. And then I saw his
uh guy worked with him who's over Texas for I Heart.
They work close together and we were I told him
that story and he remembered that story and he said,
he said that was the classic classic story man of
(15:06):
that and he goes, I think you did okay, So
I guess we did okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well ended up with a podcast anyway, So thanks for
listening
Speaker 1 (15:13):
To the Maamma Brown Experience on the iHeart Podcast Network
Well, hey and Hattie to you Bama Brown on the
Bama Brown Experience.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I have my own shows. So that tells you just
how bad a shape this country, as in, when you
just give anybody a show.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You hear that young man laughing in the background. That's
a big cat Puma who has a sports cave.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
How do we get that, buddy? Oh man?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
If if you haven't, if you as a Texas Radio
Hall of Famer, having your own show is a bad
sign for this country, then I don't know what me
having my own show is because.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Credible, it's the sports show everybody's talking about.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So how do I if I want to own? It's live tonight?
Right it is?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah we are. We are officially live Monday and Wednesday
nights on YouTube. But you can always catch the audio
versions of the show anywhere you get your podcast. Just
search for the Sports Cave with Biggest Puma.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
And you do that show live from Jugs Topless Bar,
don't you?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And that you're still working.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Out of that deal and they are our biggest sponsor.
Yeah yeah, the Topless Bar in the Bear County Crematorium.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Just a big shout out to Lacey who will be
on stage shortly here. Yeah, she'll be up any minute, okay,
And she loves you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
That's her true love. It isn't just yeah, it's not
because you're giving her money. She really loves you and
you could change your life. Yeah, be sure and ask
her about that. Now. Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
If this don't work out, buddy, we're in good shape
because McDonald's is going to hire seventy five thousand workers
this summer.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
So I feel like they've they've been running skeleton crews
for far too long. It shouldn't take that long to
get some chicken nuggets.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
The one over there by Bashtrop's total kaos total chaos.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It is total chaos.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
But it was got the kiosk, you know where you
just go in and you don't even talk to a person.
You can kiosk your order and you don't have to
talk to somebody who's unhappy and underpaid.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
They were somewhere else anyway, good luck.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Plus are minuses to the kiosk because you can you
can get certain order combinations on the kiosk that you
can you know, like, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
ask the attendant or the you know, cash register employee
to make me a big mac on an egg mcmut
or on an English muffit, you know, but you can
(02:18):
do all of that through the kiosk and you don't
feel like nearly as much of a jerk.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
So yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I got a feeling with seventy five thousand workers the question.
So there was no convictions. You's gonna be asking a
lot of these interviews, just charges, but no convictions you.
So yeah, come on board, make your ex right there,
all right. So I thought this was interesting. This tells
you about the workplace in this day and age. So
(02:46):
Lona Rooke, I believes her name. She's up in Pennsylvania.
She was awarded by jury forty thousand dollars because a
coworker said, you're attitude, you're like a Darth Vader and
she she said, yeah, okay, well she suit her and
(03:08):
one for calling, you know, just an insult of Darth Vader.
And that reminds me of a program director we had
that was such a jerk that every time he would
walk in the room, my partner Rob would start playing
the Darth Vader song the Dune and.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Forty thousand dollars every time apparently.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And he never caught on.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Now, one time did he go, you know, because he
just turned the music and he just knew there was
music in the background. But now once did he go,
why is it? Why aren't their country coming out? Why
is it the Darth Vader? Every time he walked into booth,
that's never caught on.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
I'm still struggling if being called Darth Vader is worth
forty thousand dollars some of the stuff I've been called
at a different jobs.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Worth just on this show, this show alone.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, I'm keeping running notes over here.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I can't give you any cash, But how would you
feel about some cats?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I gave you a cat?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, I mean somewhat fair.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, Oh they're good. They're sweet, They're so sweet. But
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I was trying to think of all the things that
I've had said to me, said about me, said straight
to me, you know. And I remember one time I
was accused of Heyola, I was at the rodeo and
this was this was a jerk.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Program director did this.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So that's yeah, that's exactly right. There was. I've had
one out of twenty five that have been out of
twenty five that have been great. The other twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Wow. Anyway, so they're.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Having the Rodeo grounds out there, and they lost their
sponsor and Bennie Boyd Dodge was one of their sponsors.
And I've been Benny spokesperson for you know, thirty something years.
So Benny says, yeah, I'll write the check, because that's
that's the kind of guy he is. He's just it's
about the kids with him. It's not about promote. He
doesn't need any marketing or promotion, trust me. And so
he writes me go check. But so the rodeo people
(05:11):
felt so obligated that they hung up a bunch of Bennie.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Boyd banners around the Rodeo arena. Huh. So, I mean,
there's it's too much.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And then they shot a video, asked Bennie to sit
for a video and do a and read a deal
about the Rodeo Scholarship fund and all that. And so
in Benny's shy, he doesn't he's one. He doesn't want attention.
I mean, he's you know. And so I'm intro in
the band. Then we got what six seven thousand people
there at this thing. The band is getting ready to
(05:42):
come on and play, and I'm there to introduce the band,
and I go, but first, folks, we have a video
we want to show you from Benny Boyd and it's
Bennie talking and then with all the banners, and with that,
I went. At the end of it, I went, well,
if y'all buy a truck from Bennie had really help
us out. And everybody laughed really hard because I delivered
(06:04):
it well. It was a funny line and it was
obvious to everybody in this rodeo arena. Oh my god,
too much. It's just too much, you know. So the
next day I'm at the radio station and I come
walking down the hallway and this program director jumps right in.
My shit, I need to see you right now. I go, okay,
so I'll walk in. Oh sure, I'll walk in. And
I mean I never got yelled at. You know, I
(06:25):
hadn't done anything that I knew of. He goes, last
night on that stage you for Paola, you plugged Bennie Boyd.
And I started laughing and I said, dude, the last
thing Bennie boy did he does that stage was plugging.
That was a joke, I said, And everybody laughed, and
he goes, well, I didn't laugh, and you know who
(06:45):
else didn't laugh? And I go oho, and he goes
the guy with IBM that's paying for that stage. He
didn't laugh at all. And I went, well, I wasn't
doing any plug for Bennie. It was the exact opposite.
And he goes, well, nobody laughed around me, and I said, well,
everybody I heard laughed really hard. And he said you
don't on that stage. We on that stage, and I said, Jason,
and his name was Jason Bowick. I said, Jason, if
(07:08):
I tell a stupid joke, or I cussed at Rona,
I do something that deserves to get yelled at, I'll
take it.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
If it was a joke that fell flat, i'd take it.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But I said, you accusing me of Paolo was about
get your ass with And I was serious, I said,
I said, I got a few things I do, but
I don't. I don't take bribes to talk about somebody
on the air, especially.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I mean, he just completely well.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I knew he didn't hear the joke because he was
working in the back, but as I said, that's enough because.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
He was yelling at me.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
And I said, you don't get to yell at me
after that, And about that time, Dusty, our boss, came
walking down. He heard the yelling, so he walked in
and he said, what everybody calmed down? I said, we're calm.
I said, he just accusing me of Paola, and Dusty goes, well,
the guy from IBM, he really got upset and I said, man,
(08:01):
if I didn't even know IBM.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Sponsored the stage, I said, I will.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Go there tonight on my own time, and I'll do
the biggest ad for IBM you ever heard in your life.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I said, I had no idea. I don't but I
think be an ad, not a joke. Like I told.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I was like, hey, IBM sponsoring his stage, great company,
great people.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I didn't you know. I just didn't know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
And but what was awesome And this is what's what's
great boom on this one. This is the one time
God looked down on me and said, you know what,
I'm gonna throw you one. The vice president at the
time we were clear Channel. The vice president of clear Channel
lived in Austin and was at that rodeo that night,
and he walks up and he's very seldom in the office,
(08:44):
but he walked up and he said the line of.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The night man that by Trump for me anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
He said that like killed and he's above both these
other guys, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And I said, so you got it. It was a
funny joke. He goes, wow, man, it was hilarious. And
I knew. I knew his name was John. His name
is John, and I knew John really well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And I said, thank you, John, And I just looked
at both these other two my buddy and then this
PD asshole, and I said, just grinned at him and
turn them walked.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Out because I was like, I think this meeting's over.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, no words were needed, just didn't need.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
To go thank you for getting the job the joke, John,
and then I turned and walked out. So in about
twenty minutes after both of them explained to Cohen John
what had what had aspired at the deal? Collen is
what John is? John Cullen, all right, there's anyway John
comes walking in back there where I'm getting ready to
(09:40):
at my desk, getting ready to do my show, and
John goes, well actually, and I go.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
No, no, no, no, no, you don't get to them.
You don't get to come back in. After they went
in there and crying to you about to have him guy,
I go, you said it was funny. You got the joke.
You can't even.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Being the vice president of the company nationwide, you can't
get to yell at me now, because that's not fair.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
You know, it was a joke. Everybody knew of the joke.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I bem guy Bob offered to fix it. But so
I go, but you can't start yelling at me for
because I didn't know. And he said, all right, I'll
let it go.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So he let it go.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But he had plenty of other opportunities to yell at me.
He uh, here's another good John story. He this is
totally true story. They were putting together satellite shows, you know,
where you'd have multiple markets, and I'd approached this guy
that worked for our company, and I said, hey, Rob
and I were thinking about maybe we take on a
(10:33):
few more, the smaller markets, you know, and the guy goes, man,
I got five you could take right now. So when
I get back to the station, I've kind of I
had already kind of run this by Rob, but at
the time Gary didn't want to work any harder or
other partner. And then the program director said, I ain't
going for this at all, because all y'all are going
to do is worry about your satellite show and you
(10:53):
ain't gonna care about my case one on one show anymore.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And I go, no, man, that's not true. We can
do this, we can do both. You know. No, I
ain't doing it, ain't going for it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So I had to go and call the guy after
I had the idea, I had to call a guy
that was over.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
This deal and say, yeah, we can't do the satellite deal.
That's for all.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Feeling in the world when you commit and then have
to crawl back and behind.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I mean, and crawl was the word. And Allen was
a great guy. But Alan goes, all right, I want
to get this straight. In the age of all the
smaller markets in Austin at the time was market fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The markets twenty and above are all going this way.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
But he said, in the age of smaller markets, you're
telling me you don't want to do a salite, you
don't want to increase in pay, you don't want all
these things. And I went, yeah, that's what I'm telling you,
and he goes okay. So within twenty minutes my phone
rings and it's John Cullen, this big boss, the vice
president of the company. He goes, I need to see
(11:52):
you in my office, which was across town in about
fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I go okay, So I got my car, I drove
over there. I'll walk in.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And when I walk in the door, he goes, no, no, no, no, no,
stay right there. It's just stay right there. I just
want to look at the stupidest son ititch in the.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Country right now.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I just want to hold that pose in the doorframe
because I knew John as well. John, by the way,
his initials JC for Jesus Christ. That's how big John
was in this coming. He goes, hey, stay right here.
I just want to I just want the light.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Behind you to look at her, the stupidest son of
a bitch.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Not just in radio, but I think in corporate America
right now, in the planet.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
That guy right there.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
It was your idea, and then you decided you didn't
want to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And I said, okay, well here it is. This is
the deal.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I said, I couldn't get the program director on board,
I couldn't get the GM on board. And I said
I couldn't get one of.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
My co hosts on board. I said I had one.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Co host and said if anybody else wants to do it,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I said, that's what I had.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Unless you want to get on the email and tell
everybody we're doing this, give them an order and say
you're to be doing this. You're gonna make more money,
You're gonna work a little harder, but not that much harder.
And he said, well, if you and I'll never forget this.
And I've never forgotten this. So this is twenty some
years ago. He said, if you really wanted it, it
would have happened. So remember that. That said, if you
(13:16):
take away anything from this show today, if you really
want it, it'll happen. If you can't give it one
hundred and ten percent. And I could have.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
I could have told it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I could have started my own and done my own
satellite show and told these other guys to piss off
and go, look, you don't want to be on, you
don't have to, you don't want you're not. I can
do it in the booth back there after my show.
And if I'd really wanted it, it would have happened.
And I mean it worked out fine like I did.
But that was one of those things John was great about.
(13:49):
The same guy that said he's you know, he said,
that's funniest line I heard. He said, stay right, just
stay right there. I just want to look at you
for a minute. I just want to see the stupidest.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
He goes. Maybe be the stupidest person the planet. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
There's probably some you know, some terrorists blowing himself up
somewhere for some cause that you know, nobody cares about.
But right now, I think for radio anyway, this I'm
looking at you.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, outside of those guys, here is the stupidest.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, the five markets, he goes, I got five markets.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'll put you on tomorrow. You don't even do anything,
just go in there and do it, and you'll get
the money. You know from that, you'll get the money
from the advertisers. Uh. To put it in perspective, it
costs me one hundred grand a year. Probably it would
have made in addition to my salary.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So he's right.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Well, and you know, as a good manager, he tears
you down and then gives you some of the best
advice you probably have ever.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Absolutely, and I still I saw him well, I saw
him a couple of years ago and we had a
great laugh together, good times. And then I saw his
uh guy worked with him who's over Texas for I Heart.
They work close together and we were I told him
that story and he remembered that story and he said,
he said that was the classic classic story man of
(15:06):
that and he goes, I think you did okay, So
I guess we did okay.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well ended up with a podcast anyway, So thanks for
listening
Speaker 1 (15:13):
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