December 3, 2025 • 7 mins
“Are the Dallas Cowboys actually better off without Micah Parsons?” That’s the fiery question Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray tackle in this can’t-miss episode of The Ben and Skin Show.The crew dives deep into the ripple effects of the blockbuster trade, breaking down whether the Cowboys’ current roster—with Quinnen Williams and Overshown anchoring the defense—sets them up for a stronger future. You’ll hear passionate takes on Jerry Jones’ recent moves, the surprising resurgence of Jadeveon Clowney, and why Dak Prescott’s MVP-caliber season might be the ultimate game-changer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come on, surprise. We do know that Trayvon Diggs is
out for tomorrow's game. There's a lot of talk about
(00:22):
him maybe getting out there, but he's going to be
out for tomorrow's night's game. Tyler Geyton, your right tackle,
your left tackle will be out for tomorrow night's game
will be the Nate Thomas game. Nate Thomas, the Travis
Frederick Blocking Hunger Charity Foundation Long Drive Champion.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Huge man.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hit like three point fifty incredible, and he's played well
when he's played, he's played very good. Your game time
decisions will be Jadeveon Clowney and Malie Hooker, two guys.
They need to keep the defense, you know, doing what
the defense has been doing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Do you guys agree that currently Quinnin Williams and over
shown are two of their five best defensive players?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, yeah, they're two best, right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, And clown he's their best pass rusher probably, I
mean Dona mes Ricky has been good, but clown he's
been pretty awesome. Yeah, one year mid season you want
to get off the couch. Deal been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It does make me wonder if why does he like
for the last five years he goes and plays one
season and then bounces. So I'm like, why is that?
Because I'm center thinking do they want to bring him back?
But I'm like, man, he's got this tendency to do
one thing and fly like a lot of it's probably
it's like pretty decent. Maybe I can hit my incentives.
Maybe that drives him a little bit. And I don't
(01:33):
know's he's in. He's he's old now, so yeah, I
just think he doesn't want to play till October.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I don't think he wants to go to camp, right.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, man, they are in such a great situation
and Jerry Jones deserves so much credit. We kill Jerry
all the time, but some of these moves have really
paid off. And if you like, I still think it.
You know, it screwed their season, especially at the beginning
of the season by trading Micah on the eve of
the launch of the season. He's their best player. But
(02:03):
I really like the way things are now and I wish,
you know, and if Overshown had been healthy and they
had Quinn Williams from the jump, I mean, maybe maybe
we're not talking about what a long shot it is
for them to make the postseason. Maybe they're you know,
maybe they're winning the NFC East right now, but I
really feel good about where they are and where they're going.
But have you guys stopped to just like look at
(02:25):
what the overall net net of the trade is now?
Like if you look at not now, just the way
what they gave up and then what they acquired and
then gave up to get Quinn Williams. But if as
the dust settles, like the overall net net of are
they better off now, especially if they're able to sign
George Pickens with that money that they were going to
(02:48):
have to pay Micah? Are they better off without Micah?
Basically as what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I think a lot of it's going to come down
too to see what happens no offense kt with the Packers.
I mean, I really don't think it's outrageous that that
the Cowboys have a better or the Packers have a
better first round pick than the Cowboys and they get
both of them.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's not crazy at all. I don't think it's remaining
five games is tough.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And I think if that happens, then you're gonna feel
really good about how it ultimately worked out.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Honestly, both teams are fine, because they each have quarterbacks
who are top five MVP candidates, right, So there's something
I think that goes into it. Jordan Love and Dak
Prescot have been incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Also, Mattiraflus should get credit after we dumped on him
for two months, and he should have been dumped on.
But like to come back from all that time off
and lose a defensive player who was getting snaps in
marsh On Neeland rist in Peace. But to sit there
and play Kenny Clark, Quinn Williams and Osa and you
didn't have to, it's not the conventional thing to do.
(03:43):
To play them all at once has been great. Now,
here's two things the Cowboys need to prove, because I
do I am a big believer in this one. You
haven't done it on the road yet. The Raiders game
does not count as a home That was a Cowboy
home game. Yeah, and the Raid at home, but the
Chiefs and Eagles weed the signature road victory in Detroit.
Detroit needs this game, yeah, very badly too. The second
(04:04):
thing that I still not sure that they've done. They
have done it, but I'm not sure that another team
has tried it. No one's really tried to run the
ball on him yet. So while we think they could
probably stop it, why hasn't anyone tried it? Probably because
they're like Quinn Williams is there, it's not gonna be
good for us, But I still need to see it
proven by a team who is like, no, we are
going to push you around, and that hasn't quite happened yet.
(04:27):
And the lines are a team who probably would try
to do that. Yeah, you can't lose this game. They're
gonna be missing their starting corner, their best starting corner,
their tight end is out, their backup tight end is questionable.
They uh, and he loved throwing to his tight end.
Tom Kennedy is a guy who they throw the ball to.
Now let's pull him off the practice squad and like,
(04:49):
no one's ever gonna cover him. They also, uh, their
center was gonna try to come back, but he failed
a physical, so he can't come back. He was like
a really good player, And I'm on rond Saint Brown
is a game time decision. I think they're just saying
that I don't think he's gonna play. It was a
bad ankle injury that he had. You kind of you're
the healthy team. Now, like, that's a very small injury
report for a team who's playing your third game in
(05:13):
eleven days. We got two guys that are out and
one we don't care that he's out in Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know, you said something there, and it's kind of
weird to talk about this thing because it's an intangible
but I do think a big factor in there coming
together was how the team pulled together around the Kneelan death.
Because there's things that happen in teams journeys that you
(05:38):
that are hard to account for, and then people start
looking around and believing in one another differently, and it's
an abstract thing and it's hard to prove, and so
you know, it's whatever. We're just theorizing on something. But
if you look at the timing of all of it,
them having the break, him passing, and then adding to
the team and then getting those guys back, that's a
(06:00):
lot of re energizing and feeling differently about yourself collectively,
and then looking around the room and going all right,
we're gonna play for each other. We're gonna play for
our fallen teammate for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And I think it helps when you're sixty million dollar
players having this type of season DA's having.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, he's third in the odds to win MVP.
I mean, and you know he has been. You know,
he came he was a brunner up to Lamar Jackson
a couple of years ago, had the catastrophic injury, you know,
came back. He's got the huge contract, and it would
be real easy for him to just not be as
good and not care as much or whatever. But dude,
(06:36):
that guy is everything you want out of your franchise quarterback.
And I didn't think you know, each quarterback who comes
down the line is gonna get more money, obviously, but
I never thought that that contract was gonna look as
good as it does. I mean, he's worth every penny.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Man, Tomorrow night, it's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Can't wait, can't wait, babe?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Coming up next in the weekly Weekday Update, where you
gonna take us Kevin well a lady and Roy said
he was trampled by some geese.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yep.
Come on, surprise. We do know that Trayvon Diggs is
out for tomorrow's game. There's a lot of talk about
(00:22):
him maybe getting out there, but he's going to be
out for tomorrow's night's game. Tyler Geyton, your right tackle,
your left tackle will be out for tomorrow night's game
will be the Nate Thomas game. Nate Thomas, the Travis
Frederick Blocking Hunger Charity Foundation Long Drive Champion.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Huge man.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Hit like three point fifty incredible, and he's played well
when he's played, he's played very good. Your game time
decisions will be Jadeveon Clowney and Malie Hooker, two guys.
They need to keep the defense, you know, doing what
the defense has been doing.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Do you guys agree that currently Quinnin Williams and over
shown are two of their five best defensive players?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yes, yeah, they're two best, right.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, And clown he's their best pass rusher probably, I
mean Dona mes Ricky has been good, but clown he's
been pretty awesome. Yeah, one year mid season you want
to get off the couch. Deal been pretty good.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It does make me wonder if why does he like
for the last five years he goes and plays one
season and then bounces. So I'm like, why is that?
Because I'm center thinking do they want to bring him back?
But I'm like, man, he's got this tendency to do
one thing and fly like a lot of it's probably
it's like pretty decent. Maybe I can hit my incentives.
Maybe that drives him a little bit. And I don't
(01:33):
know's he's in. He's he's old now, so yeah, I
just think he doesn't want to play till October.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, I don't think he wants to go to camp, right.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know, man, they are in such a great situation
and Jerry Jones deserves so much credit. We kill Jerry
all the time, but some of these moves have really
paid off. And if you like, I still think it.
You know, it screwed their season, especially at the beginning
of the season by trading Micah on the eve of
the launch of the season. He's their best player. But
(02:03):
I really like the way things are now and I wish,
you know, and if Overshown had been healthy and they
had Quinn Williams from the jump, I mean, maybe maybe
we're not talking about what a long shot it is
for them to make the postseason. Maybe they're you know,
maybe they're winning the NFC East right now, but I
really feel good about where they are and where they're going.
But have you guys stopped to just like look at
(02:25):
what the overall net net of the trade is now?
Like if you look at not now, just the way
what they gave up and then what they acquired and
then gave up to get Quinn Williams. But if as
the dust settles, like the overall net net of are
they better off now, especially if they're able to sign
George Pickens with that money that they were going to
(02:48):
have to pay Micah? Are they better off without Micah?
Basically as what I'm asking.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I think a lot of it's going to come down
too to see what happens no offense kt with the Packers.
I mean, I really don't think it's outrageous that that
the Cowboys have a better or the Packers have a
better first round pick than the Cowboys and they get
both of them.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's not crazy at all. I don't think it's remaining
five games is tough.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And I think if that happens, then you're gonna feel
really good about how it ultimately worked out.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Honestly, both teams are fine, because they each have quarterbacks
who are top five MVP candidates, right, So there's something
I think that goes into it. Jordan Love and Dak
Prescot have been incredible.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Also, Mattiraflus should get credit after we dumped on him
for two months, and he should have been dumped on.
But like to come back from all that time off
and lose a defensive player who was getting snaps in
marsh On Neeland rist in Peace. But to sit there
and play Kenny Clark, Quinn Williams and Osa and you
didn't have to, it's not the conventional thing to do.
(03:43):
To play them all at once has been great. Now,
here's two things the Cowboys need to prove, because I
do I am a big believer in this one. You
haven't done it on the road yet. The Raiders game
does not count as a home That was a Cowboy
home game. Yeah, and the Raid at home, but the
Chiefs and Eagles weed the signature road victory in Detroit.
Detroit needs this game, yeah, very badly too. The second
(04:04):
thing that I still not sure that they've done. They
have done it, but I'm not sure that another team
has tried it. No one's really tried to run the
ball on him yet. So while we think they could
probably stop it, why hasn't anyone tried it? Probably because
they're like Quinn Williams is there, it's not gonna be
good for us, But I still need to see it
proven by a team who is like, no, we are
going to push you around, and that hasn't quite happened yet.
(04:27):
And the lines are a team who probably would try
to do that. Yeah, you can't lose this game. They're
gonna be missing their starting corner, their best starting corner,
their tight end is out, their backup tight end is questionable.
They uh, and he loved throwing to his tight end.
Tom Kennedy is a guy who they throw the ball to.
Now let's pull him off the practice squad and like,
(04:49):
no one's ever gonna cover him. They also, uh, their
center was gonna try to come back, but he failed
a physical, so he can't come back. He was like
a really good player, And I'm on rond Saint Brown
is a game time decision. I think they're just saying
that I don't think he's gonna play. It was a
bad ankle injury that he had. You kind of you're
the healthy team. Now, like, that's a very small injury
report for a team who's playing your third game in
(05:13):
eleven days. We got two guys that are out and
one we don't care that he's out in Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know, you said something there, and it's kind of
weird to talk about this thing because it's an intangible
but I do think a big factor in there coming
together was how the team pulled together around the Kneelan death.
Because there's things that happen in teams journeys that you
(05:38):
that are hard to account for, and then people start
looking around and believing in one another differently, and it's
an abstract thing and it's hard to prove, and so
you know, it's whatever. We're just theorizing on something. But
if you look at the timing of all of it,
them having the break, him passing, and then adding to
the team and then getting those guys back, that's a
(06:00):
lot of re energizing and feeling differently about yourself collectively,
and then looking around the room and going all right,
we're gonna play for each other. We're gonna play for
our fallen teammate for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And I think it helps when you're sixty million dollar
players having this type of season DA's having.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I mean, he's third in the odds to win MVP.
I mean, and you know he has been. You know,
he came he was a brunner up to Lamar Jackson
a couple of years ago, had the catastrophic injury, you know,
came back. He's got the huge contract, and it would
be real easy for him to just not be as
good and not care as much or whatever. But dude,
(06:36):
that guy is everything you want out of your franchise quarterback.
And I didn't think you know, each quarterback who comes
down the line is gonna get more money, obviously, but
I never thought that that contract was gonna look as
good as it does. I mean, he's worth every penny.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Man, Tomorrow night, it's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Can't wait, can't wait, babe?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
All right?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Coming up next in the weekly Weekday Update, where you
gonna take us Kevin well a lady and Roy said
he was trampled by some geese.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yep.
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