April 17, 2025 • 6 mins
"What happens when the Mavericks and Stars can’t share an arena anymore?" This intriguing question kicks off an episode of The Ben and Skin Show as they dive into the potential split between the Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars, exploring the implications for both teams and the city of Dallas.In this episode, the team discusses the fractured relationship between the Mavericks and the Stars, who currently share the American Airlines Center. With the Mavericks expressing a desire to build a basketball-only facility, the hosts speculate on the future of the Stars and the economic viability of staying in Dallas. Their banter is filled with humor and camaraderie, making for an entertaining listen.The episode also touches on broader themes of sports business and city planning, drawing parallels to the hosts' own experiences and memories. The banter is both hilarious and thought-provoking, making this a must-listen for fans of the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All rights the Been and Skin Show. So here's the situation.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Mavericks and the Stars have a lease agreement to
be at the American Airlines Center through twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So that's cool. Best friends, right, love each other.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Pretty good article this morning the Dallas Morning News, and
it's about what might be a fractured relationship here. Oh,
not only are the Mavericks not getting along with their
fans very well.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's a strange thing to say. It's a tough time.
It's real.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
That's how I like to get along with the other
people that are paying rent. So this is interesting because
the city of Dallas has had some comments, really within
the last two weeks about their desire to keep the
Mavericks in Dallas proper, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Proper, which does not include where Texas Stadium used to
be exactly. That's Dallas County, but it's not Dallas proper.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
To see, if Dallas is not going to allow the
Mavericks new arena to end up being built in Irving,
this is not gonna happen. But they've said nothing about
the Stars. And this is what ours president and CEO
Brad Alberts told the Dallas Morning News. Business is business.
We probably knew that the end was coming long before.
Now we have to figure out if staying here is
(01:12):
economically viable for us in the next ten to twenty years.
It's not where we've come, oh, it's where we're going. Okay,
he said, it's their deal. I think they expressed for
a few years now their desire to build a basketball
only facility, which means they have to go out on
their own. So that's the assumption we're working with under
today and that's what we're gonna do now. In that
(01:36):
always say a secret private press conference, wasn't I'm glad
press conference.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm glad you're saying this because I was eating about
what Rick Welts said.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, say it well, he said, first of all,
within the next twelve months, they want to identify and
secure a thirty to fifty acre you know area to
make the new arena. They want to get that locked
inep soon. And the stars are like, let us know,
we would like to know. They'd like let us know
because we need to know. We're not gonna have a
(02:03):
roommate or we'd like to come with you there. It's
not possible. Right, Here's one thing, and you may be
getting this. Here's one thing Rick Welt said. He said
the last two arenas that were built in the NBA
were basketball only arenas, so he's saying, we're building a
basketball so he got it. The last two arenas that
were built for the sheer purpose of being basketball and hockey,
(02:26):
I mean basketball and hockey together was Detroit in twenty seventeen,
and then before that you have to go all the
way back to the American Airline Center.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Wow. So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Of the thirteen markets that have both hockey and basketball
on a professional level, only eleven still share an arena.
And it's just it's been it's been going this way,
so it's not going to be some strange thing if
the Mavericks and Stars aren't playing in the same place,
and they're not going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's very clear they're not going to be. What if
it was Star's Wings.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, yeah, that's a good players because they're coming to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They were going to do that thing in the Convention Center.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Where are they going to do with the statues we
have Madonna from Madonna Madonna and Novitsky.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
She's right, like, what the hell are we doing? Guys?
This is stupid. I hate it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And the road out in front is called Navitsky Way.
Does the road come with you? Yeah, the new one
will be Navitzki Way. Wherever it is.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Everything it's weird. It is very strange. The Stars are like,
we'd love to stay here. Yeah, the Stars want the
American Airlines. Somebody's going to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Keep it right and honestly, like so, I'm assuming the
Dumont's own the arena. I'm assuming when they bought the team,
they bought the steak in the arena two, which I
don't know the answer to, but I'm assuming they do.
So they could have the Stars either buy them out,
or they could continue to revenue share because it's going
to keep having concerts and things like that, right. I mean,
(03:49):
I'm speaking out of my ass. I'm not businessman here,
but it feels like there's ways to resolve this and
the Stars can take over them.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And a part of this relationship is on a couple
of things, agreeing on okay, hey, the rent that has
to be paid, but also okay, so we want to
do some upgrades, and Rick Welts did say we do
plan to invest in improvements to the American Airline center,
you know, to improve the fan experience.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, probably would go to suits and premium levels and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, but you know, they spend a bunch of money
on the roof a couple of years ago to stop
it from me, Like, that's still gonna happen because again
we have another six years of being there together. But
taking the comments from the star CEO and just kind
of compare them to I know, it's I don't even
know that. It was like a just reading it felt like, yeah,
well they're gonna do what they want, so screw them,
(04:38):
and it just I don't like the fracture, but it's
it's real.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Why couldn't they take the dirt statue with them to
wherever they go, leave the Madonna statue there, and just
turn that street into Turco Trail.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, so that's perfect, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
doesn't have to be in a bit ski way now,
I'd work for everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They're gonna put a roundabout in there, though, and that's
going to confuse all the drivers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Dirk may not let anyone name the street after him. Yeah,
he might be out. Yeah, I'd rather know one used
to my name. Actually, I'm just gonna keep that statue
at my house retiring piece.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You know what would be cocky is he left that
in Novitsky Way and called the new street. Dirk Drive
had a couple of streets for him, just for him.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Notice none of that or any of the Cowboys streets
named after their players.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Stadium is a highway.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But if you go over to the Star, there's a
John John Stephen, Little John Steven Junction.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Kids. Yeah, yeah, there's a Lacewell Circle. You know, it's incredible.
It's in Green Bay, the home of the draft.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Mike McCarthy has a street, and I just assumed he
would get a street here.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It didn't happen. No, I never assumed that McCarthy way. Though,
then it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
There you have it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Uh, there is a little stadium talk for that ass
coming up next. Uh, let's talk about the MAVs big
win against Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What does it mean? We'll discuss next
All rights the Been and Skin Show. So here's the situation.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
The Mavericks and the Stars have a lease agreement to
be at the American Airlines Center through twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So that's cool. Best friends, right, love each other.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Pretty good article this morning the Dallas Morning News, and
it's about what might be a fractured relationship here. Oh,
not only are the Mavericks not getting along with their
fans very well.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's a strange thing to say. It's a tough time.
It's real.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
That's how I like to get along with the other
people that are paying rent. So this is interesting because
the city of Dallas has had some comments, really within
the last two weeks about their desire to keep the
Mavericks in Dallas proper, Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Proper, which does not include where Texas Stadium used to
be exactly. That's Dallas County, but it's not Dallas proper.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
To see, if Dallas is not going to allow the
Mavericks new arena to end up being built in Irving,
this is not gonna happen. But they've said nothing about
the Stars. And this is what ours president and CEO
Brad Alberts told the Dallas Morning News. Business is business.
We probably knew that the end was coming long before.
Now we have to figure out if staying here is
(01:12):
economically viable for us in the next ten to twenty years.
It's not where we've come, oh, it's where we're going. Okay,
he said, it's their deal. I think they expressed for
a few years now their desire to build a basketball
only facility, which means they have to go out on
their own. So that's the assumption we're working with under
today and that's what we're gonna do now. In that
(01:36):
always say a secret private press conference, wasn't I'm glad
press conference.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I'm glad you're saying this because I was eating about
what Rick Welts said.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, say it well, he said, first of all,
within the next twelve months, they want to identify and
secure a thirty to fifty acre you know area to
make the new arena. They want to get that locked
inep soon. And the stars are like, let us know,
we would like to know. They'd like let us know
because we need to know. We're not gonna have a
(02:03):
roommate or we'd like to come with you there. It's
not possible. Right, Here's one thing, and you may be
getting this. Here's one thing Rick Welt said. He said
the last two arenas that were built in the NBA
were basketball only arenas, so he's saying, we're building a
basketball so he got it. The last two arenas that
were built for the sheer purpose of being basketball and hockey,
(02:26):
I mean basketball and hockey together was Detroit in twenty seventeen,
and then before that you have to go all the
way back to the American Airline Center.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Wow. So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Of the thirteen markets that have both hockey and basketball
on a professional level, only eleven still share an arena.
And it's just it's been it's been going this way,
so it's not going to be some strange thing if
the Mavericks and Stars aren't playing in the same place,
and they're not going to be.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's very clear they're not going to be. What if
it was Star's Wings.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, yeah, that's a good players because they're coming to Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
They were going to do that thing in the Convention Center.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Where are they going to do with the statues we
have Madonna from Madonna Madonna and Novitsky.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
She's right, like, what the hell are we doing? Guys?
This is stupid. I hate it.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
And the road out in front is called Navitsky Way.
Does the road come with you? Yeah, the new one
will be Navitzki Way. Wherever it is.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Everything it's weird. It is very strange. The Stars are like,
we'd love to stay here. Yeah, the Stars want the
American Airlines. Somebody's going to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Keep it right and honestly, like so, I'm assuming the
Dumont's own the arena. I'm assuming when they bought the team,
they bought the steak in the arena two, which I
don't know the answer to, but I'm assuming they do.
So they could have the Stars either buy them out,
or they could continue to revenue share because it's going
to keep having concerts and things like that, right. I mean,
(03:49):
I'm speaking out of my ass. I'm not businessman here,
but it feels like there's ways to resolve this and
the Stars can take over them.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And a part of this relationship is on a couple
of things, agreeing on okay, hey, the rent that has
to be paid, but also okay, so we want to
do some upgrades, and Rick Welts did say we do
plan to invest in improvements to the American Airline center,
you know, to improve the fan experience.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, probably would go to suits and premium levels and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, but you know, they spend a bunch of money
on the roof a couple of years ago to stop
it from me, Like, that's still gonna happen because again
we have another six years of being there together. But
taking the comments from the star CEO and just kind
of compare them to I know, it's I don't even
know that. It was like a just reading it felt like, yeah,
well they're gonna do what they want, so screw them,
(04:38):
and it just I don't like the fracture, but it's
it's real.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Why couldn't they take the dirt statue with them to
wherever they go, leave the Madonna statue there, and just
turn that street into Turco Trail.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, so that's perfect, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
doesn't have to be in a bit ski way now,
I'd work for everybody.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They're gonna put a roundabout in there, though, and that's
going to confuse all the drivers.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Dirk may not let anyone name the street after him. Yeah,
he might be out. Yeah, I'd rather know one used
to my name. Actually, I'm just gonna keep that statue
at my house retiring piece.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
You know what would be cocky is he left that
in Novitsky Way and called the new street. Dirk Drive
had a couple of streets for him, just for him.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Notice none of that or any of the Cowboys streets
named after their players.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Stadium is a highway.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But if you go over to the Star, there's a
John John Stephen, Little John Steven Junction.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Kids. Yeah, yeah, there's a Lacewell Circle. You know, it's incredible.
It's in Green Bay, the home of the draft.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Mike McCarthy has a street, and I just assumed he
would get a street here.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It didn't happen. No, I never assumed that McCarthy way. Though,
then it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
There you have it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Uh, there is a little stadium talk for that ass
coming up next. Uh, let's talk about the MAVs big
win against Sacramento.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
What does it mean? We'll discuss next
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