August 6, 2025 • 17 mins
"Have you ever wanted to challenge your boss to a fight?"In this explosive episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive into one of the wildest media stories to hit the Metroplex in years — a Reddit-fueled controversy that escalates into a real-life fight challenge between a former radio host and his ex-boss.What starts as a discussion about toxic online communities and deleted comments on the Ticket subreddit quickly spirals into a full-blown saga involving lawsuits, personal vendettas, and a proposed Fight Night showdown. Former Ticket host Jake Kemp throws down the gauntlet, offering \$10,000 for charity and calling out his old boss with the kind of intensity that feels straight out of a Jake Paul promo.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I beef stew Are you kidding me, Ristine freaking million?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm gonna ask you a ton of dumb for a
second because I said I was getting angry, but now
you're getting a little heated beef.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Brisk it up, get off it, roast beef. Now I
go home and still watch more. Now you know after
three hours?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yes I do.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, you don't tell me what I do and what
I don't don't tell me. I watch the damn game
Mongolian beef. Why are you arguing with me on about this?
Cod You make it a freaking on the parable to
about stuff. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Beef's for me?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yes, beef is for dinner.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You're driving around on a hump day in the five
o'clock hour, maybe you're off work, and maybe you just
don't like your boss. There's a lot of eagle listeners
out there that don't like their boss.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Who likes their boss like? It's very rare.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
We had a very unique situation when we first got
into radio in that we were hired by Bruce Gilbert,
a guy who universally everyone likes and uh at times
we worked for Brian Perdy, who was. We didn't work
directly for him, but he was our boss's boss. He
was a lovely guy. And here right now at the Eagle,
(01:10):
you know our program director, Elliott. We've got to know him.
He's down in Houston, but we meet with him, you know,
once a week. He's a great guy. And his direct
bosses this dude, Eddie Martini, and he's as cool as
his name is. Yeah, he is, right, I mean, doesn't
everybody want to hang out with a guy named Eddie Martinez?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Erdie Martini. Don Davis was cool too, I love Don.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, So we're kind of lucky now, lucky. We've had
some situations though, where we've had horrible bosses too, right,
And I think everyone you know. The other thing too,
is no person, unless they're totally submissive, wants to be
told what to do. So just in general, the hierarchy
of work establishes something where it's like, why is this
(01:53):
grown man telling me what to do?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think if you were to survey most Americans, most
people would say they don't think their boss is qualified.
I think they're smarter than their boss. They most people
hate their boss.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, job.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, So it's always interesting when you see something spill
out into a public forum. And for us, this kind
of touches us because we all worked with the people
that we're about to talk about and at the station
where all this is originating. And it also directly involves
our friend kt funtweets are the producer of this show
(02:30):
because basically, if you're involved in you know, spending time
online and forums and Facebook groups and all those things.
We talk about this all the time. Hell, we talked
about the political strategist Steve Bannon said we won the
election in the comment section, like he's been very vocal
about that. He also uses the phrase flood the zone
(02:52):
with s like in the modern world, we're just gonna
jam up all communications so people are emotional, they don't
know what's going on, and that's how we're going to win.
And that's a whole strategy that's employed on the Internet
now and in Facebook groups and all this stuff, and
especially at a place like Reddit. Well over the weekend
the Ticket at the sports talk station in town there, Reddit,
(03:14):
their subreddit got all crazy because a moderator was accusing
the program director over at the Ticket of becoming the
new moderator. And our buddy KT, who used to work
at the Ticket He was pulled into it because apparently
one of his old comments was deleted, So it suddenly
made us very aware of like, oh my god, what
(03:35):
is going on here?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So why And I'm just going to be fourth right here.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I don't think I've ever once been inside the ticket subreddit.
I don't think. I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe
I have, but I've I don't know that I've ever
been in the bit and skin subreddit.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Isn't it, man?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Is it pretty great?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I've gone into Reddit a couple of times, I just
because I like social media, exploring all this stuff, and
if there's a place where there have been in skin
supporters or whatever we can interact with, I want to engage.
But I think I, personally, for whatever it's worth, have
found Reddit to be more toxic than other social media platforms.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's why I didn't. That's why I don't go there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I'm not saying there's not value there, and I'm not
saying like there's not criticism of me then in there
is that is valid that I could learn something from.
But in general, like when I first started doing the
mav TV broadcast, the amount of hatred that came at me.
I'd never experienced it, and I was unprepared for it.
So I was like, Ooh, I don't need this in
my life, so I just eliminated it. I was like,
(04:34):
I don't need strangers to tell me I suck. I've
got things I'm trying to achieve. So there's a lot
of great things in there that I'm sure I've missed
out on. But I just did it that way because
that's what I needed to do to go do my job.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
It's just another way for fans to connect really, like, yeah,
it could be negative, but they are connecting on their
own level and cool.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Ben'll tell you. I mean I cut off from
Facebook for like a decade. Yeah, and I didn't go
back in there until he was telling me how great
the Freak been in skin Facebook Freak group was.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And honestly, that's cultivated by having people that are mods. Yeah,
because if people go in there to attack what we're
building or growing, it's like, dude, this is a party,
Like you can go crap on this somewhere else, but
you just walked in and took a dump on the
rug next to the punch bowl. Yeah, we're all having
a good time celebrating something here. And so I feel
like Reddit is a place where anything goes, and you know,
(05:22):
I don't know on Facebook, at least your mods can
cultivate a more productive environment.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, and in a place like the Ticket where everybody
kicks each other and then nu's constantly almost to a fault,
the moderators just let all that stuff go. And so
this became a story because suddenly, out of nowhere there
was anonymous mods that were going in there deleting negative information,
and so everyone started making assertions and saying, well, this
must be this guy, this must be this guy.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
True or not, suddenly everyone in this Reddit group was
accusing the program director at the Ticket of being the
new moderator that was deleting stuff. So then this led
to all this other commentary by what this could or
couldn't mean, and coming up next a buddy of oli
of ours who has left the Ticket and they got
sued by Cumulus. It was a big public story. You
(06:09):
can go read about it if you want to. It's
covered by the Dallas Morning News, it was covered by
the Washington Post, et cetera, et cetera. Suddenly there was
a lot of commentary about it, and it led to
one of our friends challenging his former boss to a fight,
and we'll play you the audio of that next Ben
and Skin Show, ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's time for this akill. That thing's big, that's right, Cynthia.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We're talking about this big story of social media chaos
and reddit chaos in a station we used to all
work at where basically people that run the ticket subreddit
are accusing the program director over there of being an
anonymous mod and deleting old comments that were negative. Whether
that's true or not, who who knows if anybody's going
(07:01):
to know, But it's become a thing, and so it's
forced all these people to comment on it, and it
led to this topic that we wanted to talk about,
which is how badly would you want to fight your boss?
Because one guy who's a buddy of ours, Jake Kemp,
they do a podcast called The Dumb Zone. We've had
Jake on our show before. Jake's done stuff for The Mavericks,
(07:23):
he writes for d magazine. He's been a prominent media
figure here for a long time. Him and his buddy
Dan McDowell. When they left the station to go start
their own podcast. They got sued by Cumulus and it
became a really big story, and so it was all
over the news.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So you know, if you follow media, I mean, we
all knew.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
These people, so we were reading it and it was
a national story, became a labor story in the Washington Post.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right, So if you follow all this, you kind of
know a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, Jake has got a podcast with another one of
our friends named TC, and him and TC were talking
about all this. And keep in mind the guy who's
talking the audio you're gonna hear Jake Kemp. Keep in
mind his former company sued him, okay, and it was
a brutal lawsuit for Jake and Dan. They won the lawsuit,
(08:17):
but it all became public record, and so all the
people that are in this subreddit, for example, they could
have read all of this in the Dallas Morning News
or they could have I remember one guy went and
took all the court findings and posted it so you
could go read the entire court case if you desired
to read it. So you need that context to understand
this audio. So what you're gonna hear is you're gonna
(08:39):
hear we're gonna play the second clip KT It's Jake
and it's TC on their own podcast, and Jake is
talking about how he feels about his former boss, who
was involved in a lawsuit that went on for well
over a year and was very detrimental to his mental
and financial health.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
He's been public about this.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Here's how he feels about the situation with his former boss.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I hope you're doing good, buddy.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It just be really fun to see his little ass
without him being my boss. Because he's a little boy.
Let's smack the out of you. I probably's not supposed
to say that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But the one dangling partisple I would like to address.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You can't walk You just can't walk around like you're
that tough and get like outed like this over and
over as a little weasel and skate on it. Let's
get into it, Bud. And I promise you whatever you
think you can put out there on me, I promise
you what we have is worse.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
See the one. Let's see little boy, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So there's got to be so many people that have
wanted this to fight their boss, and so he's challenging
him not to a fistfight in a parking lot. He's
challenging him to go to an already established promotional event
that they have caled Fight Night, which they've had forever.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Right, Well, they're about to get to that, Okay at
this point in the podcast, we haven't gotten there yet.
That's just Jake saying. He's basically saying, catch me outside.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, yeah, what have I you saw it? What would
happen if you saw me?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And and Jake is basically he's letting all of his
emotions spill out and say, man, it would be very
different if we saw each other in public.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Right like when Troy he and they mentioned advice like
Troy and the Skip Bayless have.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You ever heard that audio bit?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It was Dan McDowell asked Troy Aikman, what would happen
if you ever saw Skip Bayless?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What he said? Because Skip had said Troy was gay
and it was like, I don't know he was.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
He was basically saying, I can't really say what I
would or wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Do, just had whatever emotion would take over would take over.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And we've all had people in our lives that we
you know, we felt that way about. You know, Hopefully
the older you get, the better you can control it.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think also like Jake, Jake's been to rehab all right,
and he's gotten some clarity in his life. He doesn't
drink anymore, looking for positivity and all that stuff. I
feelink he's a good place as a person. And he
said i'd be disingenuous stuff. I said that I don't
hate him. Yeah, Like that's the one thing I can't
let go.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And the thing about this is it's just so different
for them because when you go through a lawsuit with somebody, yeah,
and it's like they're not rich guys. They don't have
a team of lawyers that they can just pay forever,
like a lot of these people that sue each other,
Like remember like Ross pro Junior and Mark Cuban were
constantly suing each other.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They have teams of lawyers that they can just pay
all day.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Right, Sometimes the lawsuit is not about winning, it's just
about draining. You're trying to drain somebody, and it's so personal.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's personal, and that's what Cumulus's strategy probably was. You know,
I've talked to lawyers about this and they are like,
I don't know why they do did this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They weren't going to win this lawsuit. But I think
to Ben's.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Point, it was that's why you take it personal if
it's happening to you, because it's like, I didn't do
anything personally to your company. I just wanted to leave
and go do something else. Why are you being vindictive
towards me? That's a normal way to feel when you're
involved in a dispute with someone. So that led to
j some emotion there, but then he took it to
(12:02):
another level.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So they have an event, a fight night.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
A lot of places have fight nights, right, I think
it really probably started at fraternities, but the ticket did it.
And I remember when this happened. I didn't go to it.
In fact, I don't think I've ever been to a
fight night because Ben and I had left the ticket
by the time the fight night stuff started happening. But
there was a listener named Mike and Duncanville that used
to call that station and talk trash to everybody, and
(12:26):
he talked a lot of trash to Jake, a lot
of trash, to the point where Jake finally said, man,
you seem to have a problem with me. Why don't
we do something about it. Let's fight and fight night,
and so Mike and Duncanville agreed, so their main bout.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Were you at this, Christina?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I was packed? Okay did you watch the fight?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Man, I can't really remember because I was working it.
You know, I'm like backstage and like helping do things.
So I actually missed the main event, but I do
remember it just being chaos and packed because everyone wanted
to see this fight.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Right here, give out sports agreta that you've listened to.
This is ultimately the host fighting the listener.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So good. So what happened? Jake beat the crap out
good and fought a guy back in the day.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, it was. And from what I was told, I
was in there in very short order. He demolished the guy.
And then and so what And I don't know if
this is in the sound clip or not, but when Jake,
Jake put himself in this frame of mind of I'm
about to go destroy this person, and Catlin saw him
before the fight was like are you okay? And Jake
(13:30):
ignored him because he was like, get out of my way.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm about to get I'm about to go take care
of business.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so when Jake is communicating through this podcast to
jeff he's kind of implying, Hey, you've seen this before,
you know what this is. So then he comes up
with this idea that's going to help.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The ticket's gangster.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
According to Jake, by the way, this is his idea,
and go ahead and play this about fight night.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I have the answer. I'm going to try to help
your station. Jeffrey, the biggest fight night you ever had
was in twenty sixteen when you saw you know, you
saw me bring the people out right. You probably also
remember kind of trying to talk to me before I
walked into the ring that night, and you were like,
(14:17):
what's wrong with you? Well, if you want to do
that again in like three weeks at Bee the nine
year anniversary, we'll get the waivers, dispensation whatever, you know,
they let us box if you want to have the
biggest event your station has ever had, and you can
run that back up to Dan and be like, look
what I did. It's a big event. Let's fight I'll
do I'll put up ten k from the dumb zone,
(14:39):
you put up ten k from whatever, and the winner
gets the charity. And yeah, let me know, you definitely
know how to find me. Hook it up, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's it for tonight. The high School described rovers back
part of this one. I'm tcing Jake, we do that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thank you for watch.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That podcast.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Is it's just banner by the way, Yeah, Patreon subscribe
to that and get that full episode.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's good. Who are those YouTubers that are fighters now?
Jake Paul?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, that very much felt like Jake Paul the Hey,
you've seen me bring the he said, you've seen me
bring the people out.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, that's all of it is so super gangster, but
it is, uh, it is quite a challenge, right, Yeah,
so you wonder and so many of us would love, love,
love to fight our boss or some boss along the way.
You know, we've had, we've had a few that we
would love to step into a ring with. And I
know so many people can relate to this because they've
(15:39):
wanted to fight their boss. The chances of a boss
accepting this are small.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Especially said Stetud work for anymore, but like the whole
thing of hey, this will be huge for your station
and you can get ten thousand dollars for your charity.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I mean, I like.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's like whenever anybody, anytime you leave a radio station,
you know, the program directors every they want to the
listener to think you died and went away.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They're terrified that a listener is going to follow you
to do what you've done, whatever else you've left for.
And that's why when we left the Fan, you know,
we had people telling listeners so they turn their back
on the listener like.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So there's no way they would accept this, because you
would think that Jake would be triumphant and then people
would follow him and carry him on their shoulders out
to go be regulars on their new radio or podcast adventure.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
It's a horrible situation for the program director over there.
He's in a can't win situation because he has all
these people. Whether he even did it or not, there's
no proof that he did this, and he's right, he's
in a horrible situation right now because and honestly, but
it's because of that company's sewing that show.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
An update from last night to Christina's Boyfriend's live cast
a certain Deceroy show, they put up five thousand dollars
to add to the mix that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Some sick kids.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I mean, this is such a fantasy for anyone who's
ever worked for someone they did like, the problem for
me in this scenario is I've never had a single
boss whose ass I can kick, so I just have
to live vicariously through somebody else doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Incredible, It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
It's awesome audio, and I think everyone out there is like,
hell yeah, I'd fight my boss.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
That's a funny story. We'll probably still be following it
as it unfolds. I'll never forget the time that Kat
looked Jake Paul dead in his eye before he stepped
into the ring.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
He turned to him and he said, you suck it
on my toe, and then they fought. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
All right, Christine, you want to stick around play music? Yeah,
that's next right here on the eagle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There you going. Well, so, I'm gonna get some cheeks
after this horse powers
I beef stew Are you kidding me, Ristine freaking million?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm gonna ask you a ton of dumb for a
second because I said I was getting angry, but now
you're getting a little heated beef.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Brisk it up, get off it, roast beef. Now I
go home and still watch more. Now you know after
three hours?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Yes I do.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
No, you don't tell me what I do and what
I don't don't tell me. I watch the damn game
Mongolian beef. Why are you arguing with me on about this?
Cod You make it a freaking on the parable to
about stuff. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Beef's for me?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yes, beef is for dinner.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You're driving around on a hump day in the five
o'clock hour, maybe you're off work, and maybe you just
don't like your boss. There's a lot of eagle listeners
out there that don't like their boss.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Who likes their boss like? It's very rare.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
We had a very unique situation when we first got
into radio in that we were hired by Bruce Gilbert,
a guy who universally everyone likes and uh at times
we worked for Brian Perdy, who was. We didn't work
directly for him, but he was our boss's boss. He
was a lovely guy. And here right now at the Eagle,
(01:10):
you know our program director, Elliott. We've got to know him.
He's down in Houston, but we meet with him, you know,
once a week. He's a great guy. And his direct
bosses this dude, Eddie Martini, and he's as cool as
his name is. Yeah, he is, right, I mean, doesn't
everybody want to hang out with a guy named Eddie Martinez?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Erdie Martini. Don Davis was cool too, I love Don.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, So we're kind of lucky now, lucky. We've had
some situations though, where we've had horrible bosses too, right,
And I think everyone you know. The other thing too,
is no person, unless they're totally submissive, wants to be
told what to do. So just in general, the hierarchy
of work establishes something where it's like, why is this
(01:53):
grown man telling me what to do?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think if you were to survey most Americans, most
people would say they don't think their boss is qualified.
I think they're smarter than their boss. They most people
hate their boss.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, job.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah, So it's always interesting when you see something spill
out into a public forum. And for us, this kind
of touches us because we all worked with the people
that we're about to talk about and at the station
where all this is originating. And it also directly involves
our friend kt funtweets are the producer of this show
(02:30):
because basically, if you're involved in you know, spending time
online and forums and Facebook groups and all those things.
We talk about this all the time. Hell, we talked
about the political strategist Steve Bannon said we won the
election in the comment section, like he's been very vocal
about that. He also uses the phrase flood the zone
(02:52):
with s like in the modern world, we're just gonna
jam up all communications so people are emotional, they don't
know what's going on, and that's how we're going to win.
And that's a whole strategy that's employed on the Internet
now and in Facebook groups and all this stuff, and
especially at a place like Reddit. Well over the weekend
the Ticket at the sports talk station in town there, Reddit,
(03:14):
their subreddit got all crazy because a moderator was accusing
the program director over at the Ticket of becoming the
new moderator. And our buddy KT, who used to work
at the Ticket He was pulled into it because apparently
one of his old comments was deleted, So it suddenly
made us very aware of like, oh my god, what
(03:35):
is going on here?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So why And I'm just going to be fourth right here.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
I don't think I've ever once been inside the ticket subreddit.
I don't think. I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe
I have, but I've I don't know that I've ever
been in the bit and skin subreddit.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Isn't it, man?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Is it pretty great?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I've gone into Reddit a couple of times, I just
because I like social media, exploring all this stuff, and
if there's a place where there have been in skin
supporters or whatever we can interact with, I want to engage.
But I think I, personally, for whatever it's worth, have
found Reddit to be more toxic than other social media platforms.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
That's why I didn't. That's why I don't go there.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I'm not saying there's not value there, and I'm not
saying like there's not criticism of me then in there
is that is valid that I could learn something from.
But in general, like when I first started doing the
mav TV broadcast, the amount of hatred that came at me.
I'd never experienced it, and I was unprepared for it.
So I was like, Ooh, I don't need this in
my life, so I just eliminated it. I was like,
(04:34):
I don't need strangers to tell me I suck. I've
got things I'm trying to achieve. So there's a lot
of great things in there that I'm sure I've missed
out on. But I just did it that way because
that's what I needed to do to go do my job.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
It's just another way for fans to connect really, like, yeah,
it could be negative, but they are connecting on their
own level and cool.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
But Ben'll tell you. I mean I cut off from
Facebook for like a decade. Yeah, and I didn't go
back in there until he was telling me how great
the Freak been in skin Facebook Freak group was.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
And honestly, that's cultivated by having people that are mods. Yeah,
because if people go in there to attack what we're
building or growing, it's like, dude, this is a party,
Like you can go crap on this somewhere else, but
you just walked in and took a dump on the
rug next to the punch bowl. Yeah, we're all having
a good time celebrating something here. And so I feel
like Reddit is a place where anything goes, and you know,
(05:22):
I don't know on Facebook, at least your mods can
cultivate a more productive environment.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, and in a place like the Ticket where everybody
kicks each other and then nu's constantly almost to a fault,
the moderators just let all that stuff go. And so
this became a story because suddenly, out of nowhere there
was anonymous mods that were going in there deleting negative information,
and so everyone started making assertions and saying, well, this
must be this guy, this must be this guy.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So, whether it's.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
True or not, suddenly everyone in this Reddit group was
accusing the program director at the Ticket of being the
new moderator that was deleting stuff. So then this led
to all this other commentary by what this could or
couldn't mean, and coming up next a buddy of oli
of ours who has left the Ticket and they got
sued by Cumulus. It was a big public story. You
(06:09):
can go read about it if you want to. It's
covered by the Dallas Morning News, it was covered by
the Washington Post, et cetera, et cetera. Suddenly there was
a lot of commentary about it, and it led to
one of our friends challenging his former boss to a fight,
and we'll play you the audio of that next Ben
and Skin Show, ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
It's time for this akill. That thing's big, that's right, Cynthia.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
We're talking about this big story of social media chaos
and reddit chaos in a station we used to all
work at where basically people that run the ticket subreddit
are accusing the program director over there of being an
anonymous mod and deleting old comments that were negative. Whether
that's true or not, who who knows if anybody's going
(07:01):
to know, But it's become a thing, and so it's
forced all these people to comment on it, and it
led to this topic that we wanted to talk about,
which is how badly would you want to fight your boss?
Because one guy who's a buddy of ours, Jake Kemp,
they do a podcast called The Dumb Zone. We've had
Jake on our show before. Jake's done stuff for The Mavericks,
(07:23):
he writes for d magazine. He's been a prominent media
figure here for a long time. Him and his buddy
Dan McDowell. When they left the station to go start
their own podcast. They got sued by Cumulus and it
became a really big story, and so it was all
over the news.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So you know, if you follow media, I mean, we
all knew.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
These people, so we were reading it and it was
a national story, became a labor story in the Washington Post.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right, So if you follow all this, you kind of
know a little bit about it.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Well, Jake has got a podcast with another one of
our friends named TC, and him and TC were talking
about all this. And keep in mind the guy who's
talking the audio you're gonna hear Jake Kemp. Keep in
mind his former company sued him, okay, and it was
a brutal lawsuit for Jake and Dan. They won the lawsuit,
(08:17):
but it all became public record, and so all the
people that are in this subreddit, for example, they could
have read all of this in the Dallas Morning News
or they could have I remember one guy went and
took all the court findings and posted it so you
could go read the entire court case if you desired
to read it. So you need that context to understand
this audio. So what you're gonna hear is you're gonna
(08:39):
hear we're gonna play the second clip KT It's Jake
and it's TC on their own podcast, and Jake is
talking about how he feels about his former boss, who
was involved in a lawsuit that went on for well
over a year and was very detrimental to his mental
and financial health.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
He's been public about this.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Here's how he feels about the situation with his former boss.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I hope you're doing good, buddy.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It just be really fun to see his little ass
without him being my boss. Because he's a little boy.
Let's smack the out of you. I probably's not supposed
to say that.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But the one dangling partisple I would like to address.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
You can't walk You just can't walk around like you're
that tough and get like outed like this over and
over as a little weasel and skate on it. Let's
get into it, Bud. And I promise you whatever you
think you can put out there on me, I promise
you what we have is worse.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
See the one. Let's see little boy, all right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So there's got to be so many people that have
wanted this to fight their boss, and so he's challenging
him not to a fistfight in a parking lot. He's
challenging him to go to an already established promotional event
that they have caled Fight Night, which they've had forever.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Right, Well, they're about to get to that, Okay at
this point in the podcast, we haven't gotten there yet.
That's just Jake saying. He's basically saying, catch me outside.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, yeah, what have I you saw it? What would
happen if you saw me?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And and Jake is basically he's letting all of his
emotions spill out and say, man, it would be very
different if we saw each other in public.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Right like when Troy he and they mentioned advice like
Troy and the Skip Bayless have.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You ever heard that audio bit?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
It was Dan McDowell asked Troy Aikman, what would happen
if you ever saw Skip Bayless?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
What he said? Because Skip had said Troy was gay
and it was like, I don't know he was.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
He was basically saying, I can't really say what I
would or wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Do, just had whatever emotion would take over would take over.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And we've all had people in our lives that we
you know, we felt that way about. You know, Hopefully
the older you get, the better you can control it.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I think also like Jake, Jake's been to rehab all right,
and he's gotten some clarity in his life. He doesn't
drink anymore, looking for positivity and all that stuff. I
feelink he's a good place as a person. And he
said i'd be disingenuous stuff. I said that I don't
hate him. Yeah, Like that's the one thing I can't
let go.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
And the thing about this is it's just so different
for them because when you go through a lawsuit with somebody, yeah,
and it's like they're not rich guys. They don't have
a team of lawyers that they can just pay forever,
like a lot of these people that sue each other,
Like remember like Ross pro Junior and Mark Cuban were
constantly suing each other.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
They have teams of lawyers that they can just pay
all day.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Right, Sometimes the lawsuit is not about winning, it's just
about draining. You're trying to drain somebody, and it's so personal.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's personal, and that's what Cumulus's strategy probably was. You know,
I've talked to lawyers about this and they are like,
I don't know why they do did this.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
They weren't going to win this lawsuit. But I think
to Ben's.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Point, it was that's why you take it personal if
it's happening to you, because it's like, I didn't do
anything personally to your company. I just wanted to leave
and go do something else. Why are you being vindictive
towards me? That's a normal way to feel when you're
involved in a dispute with someone. So that led to
j some emotion there, but then he took it to
(12:02):
another level.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
So they have an event, a fight night.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
A lot of places have fight nights, right, I think
it really probably started at fraternities, but the ticket did it.
And I remember when this happened. I didn't go to it.
In fact, I don't think I've ever been to a
fight night because Ben and I had left the ticket
by the time the fight night stuff started happening. But
there was a listener named Mike and Duncanville that used
to call that station and talk trash to everybody, and
(12:26):
he talked a lot of trash to Jake, a lot
of trash, to the point where Jake finally said, man,
you seem to have a problem with me. Why don't
we do something about it. Let's fight and fight night,
and so Mike and Duncanville agreed, so their main bout.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Were you at this, Christina?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I was packed? Okay did you watch the fight?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Man, I can't really remember because I was working it.
You know, I'm like backstage and like helping do things.
So I actually missed the main event, but I do
remember it just being chaos and packed because everyone wanted
to see this fight.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Right here, give out sports agreta that you've listened to.
This is ultimately the host fighting the listener.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So good. So what happened? Jake beat the crap out
good and fought a guy back in the day.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, it was. And from what I was told, I
was in there in very short order. He demolished the guy.
And then and so what And I don't know if
this is in the sound clip or not, but when Jake,
Jake put himself in this frame of mind of I'm
about to go destroy this person, and Catlin saw him
before the fight was like are you okay? And Jake
(13:30):
ignored him because he was like, get out of my way.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'm about to get I'm about to go take care
of business.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And so when Jake is communicating through this podcast to
jeff he's kind of implying, Hey, you've seen this before,
you know what this is. So then he comes up
with this idea that's going to help.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The ticket's gangster.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
According to Jake, by the way, this is his idea,
and go ahead and play this about fight night.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I have the answer. I'm going to try to help
your station. Jeffrey, the biggest fight night you ever had
was in twenty sixteen when you saw you know, you
saw me bring the people out right. You probably also
remember kind of trying to talk to me before I
walked into the ring that night, and you were like,
(14:17):
what's wrong with you? Well, if you want to do
that again in like three weeks at Bee the nine
year anniversary, we'll get the waivers, dispensation whatever, you know,
they let us box if you want to have the
biggest event your station has ever had, and you can
run that back up to Dan and be like, look
what I did. It's a big event. Let's fight I'll
do I'll put up ten k from the dumb zone,
(14:39):
you put up ten k from whatever, and the winner
gets the charity. And yeah, let me know, you definitely
know how to find me. Hook it up, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's it for tonight. The high School described rovers back
part of this one. I'm tcing Jake, we do that.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Thank you for watch.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That podcast.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
Is it's just banner by the way, Yeah, Patreon subscribe
to that and get that full episode.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's good. Who are those YouTubers that are fighters now?
Jake Paul?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Yeah, that very much felt like Jake Paul the Hey,
you've seen me bring the he said, you've seen me
bring the people out.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, that's all of it is so super gangster, but
it is, uh, it is quite a challenge, right, Yeah,
so you wonder and so many of us would love, love,
love to fight our boss or some boss along the way.
You know, we've had, we've had a few that we
would love to step into a ring with. And I
know so many people can relate to this because they've
(15:39):
wanted to fight their boss. The chances of a boss
accepting this are small.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Especially said Stetud work for anymore, but like the whole
thing of hey, this will be huge for your station
and you can get ten thousand dollars for your charity.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I mean, I like.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's like whenever anybody, anytime you leave a radio station,
you know, the program directors every they want to the
listener to think you died and went away.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
They're terrified that a listener is going to follow you
to do what you've done, whatever else you've left for.
And that's why when we left the Fan, you know,
we had people telling listeners so they turn their back
on the listener like.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
What what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So there's no way they would accept this, because you
would think that Jake would be triumphant and then people
would follow him and carry him on their shoulders out
to go be regulars on their new radio or podcast adventure.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
It's a horrible situation for the program director over there.
He's in a can't win situation because he has all
these people. Whether he even did it or not, there's
no proof that he did this, and he's right, he's
in a horrible situation right now because and honestly, but
it's because of that company's sewing that show.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
An update from last night to Christina's Boyfriend's live cast
a certain Deceroy show, they put up five thousand dollars
to add to the mix that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Some sick kids.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
I mean, this is such a fantasy for anyone who's
ever worked for someone they did like, the problem for
me in this scenario is I've never had a single
boss whose ass I can kick, so I just have
to live vicariously through somebody else doing it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Incredible, It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
It's awesome audio, and I think everyone out there is like,
hell yeah, I'd fight my boss.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
All right.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
That's a funny story. We'll probably still be following it
as it unfolds. I'll never forget the time that Kat
looked Jake Paul dead in his eye before he stepped
into the ring.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
He turned to him and he said, you suck it
on my toe, and then they fought. It was awesome.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
All right, Christine, you want to stick around play music? Yeah,
that's next right here on the eagle.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There you going. Well, so, I'm gonna get some cheeks
after this horse powers
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