April 21, 2025 • 8 mins
"Why shouldn't you be fired?" This provocative question sets the stage for an electrifying episode of The Ben and Skin Show, where hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the aftermath of Nico Harrison's postseason press conference.In this episode, the team dissects Harrison's responses to tough questions from the Dallas media, including his defense against calls for his firing and his bold prediction that the team will compete for a championship next year. Listeners will be captivated by the hosts' insightful analysis and humorous takes on the press conference. Ben and Skin don't shy away from discussing the controversial firing of Casey Smith, which Tim McMahon suggests may have led to losing key players like Luka and Dirk. "This is one of the most important firings in the history of Dallas Mavericks basketball," The episode also features memorable moments, such as Harrison's response to whether Luka Doncic is a championship-caliber player and the fan outrage over recent team decisions. Don't miss out on this compelling episode filled with bold predictions, heated debates, and laugh-out-loud moments. Subscribe to The Ben and Skin Show, leave a review, and share the episode with fellow sports enthusiasts. Your support helps us bring you more unfiltered and entertaining content!
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we're about to get into to all the
Nico stuff. We've got audio we'll play for you from
his presser and we'll talk about all that. This segment
is brought to you by Hurtado Barbecue, some of the
best barbecue you could ever have in Yell Life, Brandon
Hurtado's spin on mexicu Mexican Barbecue. They have a location
in Mansfield, one in Arlington, one in Fort Worth, now,
one in Dallas at the Farmers Market which is pretty
(00:20):
darn new, and then two locations in Globe Live Field.
And Brandon's an author as well. We highly encourage you
to go read his book about Barbaricola. But right now
it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now, let's go around the sports k TD fu Queints
has all the sports.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yes one m Nico Harrison for the postseason press conference
with tons of Dallas media members. Let's get it on.
Isaac Harris coming in from the turnbuckle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Why shouldn't you be fired?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, why was Nate Bargazzi at the US Let me
hear that again.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Why shouldn't you be fired?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, one, I think I've done a really good job here,
and I don't think I can be judged by the
injuries this year. You have to judge from totality from
beginning to end. And so I think I have a
really good working relationship with Patrick. I think you had
and Rick. The leadership that we have is really elite.
(01:20):
And you'll see next year when our team comes back,
we're going to be competing for a championship.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Look on that, haters, When we come back and win
a championship next year, you'll forget all about seventy seven.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Let me ask you, guys, reasonably, how is he supposed
to answer that question.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's not a question for an answer, it's an impossible
question answer. It's it's the people's champion question. It's you know,
and it's it's from It's not the credited journalism and that.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's just that, hey man, this is open to Dallas media.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
This fringe of media is like I dig it, it's entertainment,
it's podcast, all those sorts of things. I think he's
really good at what he does. And yeah, that was
just like taking a shot.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm friends with Isaac, like, and I know you are too. Yeah,
and uh, and what he does with Nick I think
is great. And our buddy slightly biased is on there,
and I don't I'm not saying you edited that wrong
at all. No, No, there's there's yeah and and but
I think he's laying out the case, including the fire
Nico chance, so he's not coming in shock.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Chocko, Hey, why should you know?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But again, without criticizing anybody, because I I was sitting
there in that press conference, I could have asked questions.
So I'm not criticizing anybody. But uh, I don't know
that anybody's going to get the answer they want. And
quite frankly, I'm sitting there going, okay, if I was Nico,
you know, the answer to the question is that's a
question for Patrick Douman.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't hire or fire myself. What do you want
from me? But for that's the.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
People's champ question, because that's the one that probably fans
are like, hell, yes, thank you. Finally someone asked the
question you need to be asked. It's not going to
be productive because he can't really answer it, honestly, And
now I wasn't there, and I don't want to be
critical of anybody for the question he asked. I was
dying to have people ask the McMahon questions, right, because
for me, the most powerful thing is they fired Casey Smith.
(03:08):
That probably led to losing Luca and losing Dirk maybe
at least that's what Tim McMahon is pointing out. And
so that's one of the most important firings in the
history of Dallas Maverick's basketball and it happened over a
zoom call while a guy was with his dying mother.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I would have loved for, you know, questions to be
asked about that, just so I could hear because it's,
you know, again, this is Tim McMahon's version of what happened,
and so I think there's a way to ask it.
I don't think it's my place to go in there
and ask it as someone who's on the MAVs TV broadcast,
but I think that there's a way to ask the question,
(03:49):
do you refute any of this reporting? Because I just
saw Tim up on television. He's in Oklahoma City, he's
covering that series, so he can't be there. But I
would I would have is having read that today and
going my god, this and seeing people's responses to it.
I would have loved to have heard Nico on the
record respond to that. But again, I'm not criticizing anybody
(04:13):
for how they went about what they did today. Everybody
had their own story that they wanted to write or
that they wanted to cover, and they asked the questions
they wanted to ask. Tim McMahon wrote the story. He
wasn't there, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, we needed Tim there. I wish Tim could have
been there. There was a question from CAROLDI ten eighty.
I'm like, ah, we could probably do without that one.
I actually like the rust of Scott question. Then it's
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Do you have it?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well? No, oh, let me say, maybe be fair to
Isaac too. But I added that because it's perfect for
our short radio segments. Yeah, but Isaac could say, like,
none of us have ever been booed by twenty thousand
people calling for our job like he set it up.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Please understand I'm not criticized. Oh no, no, yeah, no,
I'm not either.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think again, it's the most gratifying question that was
asked for the fan base, I think, but it's an
impossible one to answer.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, and I don't know you may have do you
have any of the stuff where people are asking about
Luca winning championships with defense.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
How about this one is in your mind? Is Luca
a championship player?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
When you look at Luka Doncics, do you consider him
a championship level player? You know, that's kind of an
unfair question. Luca is no longer on this team. But
what I am excited about is I do believe we
have a championship caliber team and we'll show that next year.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And that was on the heels of two other questions
about defense wins championships and the thing that we did
last week.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
This is up to the discretion of the league.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But if he started talking about a player that's not
on his team, he can get fined by the league.
Remember when Magic Johnson went on Kimmel and then talking,
you know, trying to get any work for the Lakers organization.
So that gets that's a very slippery slope. So again
I get the question, and I'm intrigued by what is
he going to answer? But if he if he starts
(05:58):
evaluating Luca as a championship caliber player or not, he
can get fine because that player plays for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To the anger and outrage from the fan base, has
that exceeded what you were kind of planning for? Yeah,
good question. I did know that Luca was important to
the to the fan base, I didn't quite know it
to the to what level. But really the way we
looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on
(06:26):
the if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie,
Clay PJ, Anthony Davis and Lively, we fill that's a
championship caliber team and we would have been winning at
a high level and that would have quieted some of
the outrage. Uh And so unfortunately we weren't able to
do that, so it just continued to, you know, go
on and on.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It would have helped, it would have helped it. Still,
shortening the window by six years and not getting full
return for Luca hurts no matter what. But even if
you're tiny little two year window plan was healthy and
we got to see it and they were winning, it
would have helped a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It would have been better than this.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would say, like that is an accurate answer in
that if you're not playing heavy minutes to Kessler Edwards
and you have your team that you saw against Houston
out there, there would still be lots of horribly upset
people that want Nico fired.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But the chance wouldn't be there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
If you're winning at a high level, people aren't in
there yelling negative stuff like I don't even remember in
the history of sports having seen that anywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Even with winning, you still have Luca coming back and
the emotional return and all that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That still destroys people.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So there's no the winning. I know, that's the answer
he has to say, But it's not. No one's gonna
feel better by anything.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But you still traded for a guy that's six years older,
who's always hurt, and then he got here and he
was hurt. So I mean, like, I don't know, man,
that's aside from whatever emotion you want to take out
of it, emotional attachment to the player, which I think
it's fair to do. And we'll play more Nico stuff
in a minute. What Ben said is if you do,
if you take the emotion out of it, it's completely accurate.
(08:12):
You can reasonably say you traded for a player that's
significantly older, that has a bad track record of health.
That's a fair criticism of the trade. That has nothing
to do with emotional attachment to Luca.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Sure, well, what happens when he's asked if he knows
that people hate him, because he was asked that today,
And how do you respond to that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Ax, Okay, that's next. Don't go towhere, that's in less
than four minutes, that's coming up.
All right, we're about to get into to all the
Nico stuff. We've got audio we'll play for you from
his presser and we'll talk about all that. This segment
is brought to you by Hurtado Barbecue, some of the
best barbecue you could ever have in Yell Life, Brandon
Hurtado's spin on mexicu Mexican Barbecue. They have a location
in Mansfield, one in Arlington, one in Fort Worth, now,
one in Dallas at the Farmers Market which is pretty
(00:20):
darn new, and then two locations in Globe Live Field.
And Brandon's an author as well. We highly encourage you
to go read his book about Barbaricola. But right now
it's time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Now, let's go around the sports k TD fu Queints
has all the sports.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yes one m Nico Harrison for the postseason press conference
with tons of Dallas media members. Let's get it on.
Isaac Harris coming in from the turnbuckle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Why shouldn't you be fired?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Okay, why was Nate Bargazzi at the US Let me
hear that again.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Why shouldn't you be fired?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well, one, I think I've done a really good job here,
and I don't think I can be judged by the
injuries this year. You have to judge from totality from
beginning to end. And so I think I have a
really good working relationship with Patrick. I think you had
and Rick. The leadership that we have is really elite.
(01:20):
And you'll see next year when our team comes back,
we're going to be competing for a championship.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Look on that, haters, When we come back and win
a championship next year, you'll forget all about seventy seven.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Let me ask you, guys, reasonably, how is he supposed
to answer that question.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
It's not a question for an answer, it's an impossible
question answer. It's it's the people's champion question. It's you know,
and it's it's from It's not the credited journalism and that.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's just that, hey man, this is open to Dallas media.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
This fringe of media is like I dig it, it's entertainment,
it's podcast, all those sorts of things. I think he's
really good at what he does. And yeah, that was
just like taking a shot.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm friends with Isaac, like, and I know you are too. Yeah,
and uh, and what he does with Nick I think
is great. And our buddy slightly biased is on there,
and I don't I'm not saying you edited that wrong
at all. No, No, there's there's yeah and and but
I think he's laying out the case, including the fire
Nico chance, so he's not coming in shock.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Chocko, Hey, why should you know?
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But again, without criticizing anybody, because I I was sitting
there in that press conference, I could have asked questions.
So I'm not criticizing anybody. But uh, I don't know
that anybody's going to get the answer they want. And
quite frankly, I'm sitting there going, okay, if I was Nico,
you know, the answer to the question is that's a
question for Patrick Douman.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I don't hire or fire myself. What do you want
from me? But for that's the.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
People's champ question, because that's the one that probably fans
are like, hell, yes, thank you. Finally someone asked the
question you need to be asked. It's not going to
be productive because he can't really answer it, honestly, And
now I wasn't there, and I don't want to be
critical of anybody for the question he asked. I was
dying to have people ask the McMahon questions, right, because
for me, the most powerful thing is they fired Casey Smith.
(03:08):
That probably led to losing Luca and losing Dirk maybe
at least that's what Tim McMahon is pointing out. And
so that's one of the most important firings in the
history of Dallas Maverick's basketball and it happened over a
zoom call while a guy was with his dying mother.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I would have loved for, you know, questions to be
asked about that, just so I could hear because it's,
you know, again, this is Tim McMahon's version of what happened,
and so I think there's a way to ask it.
I don't think it's my place to go in there
and ask it as someone who's on the MAVs TV broadcast,
but I think that there's a way to ask the question,
(03:49):
do you refute any of this reporting? Because I just
saw Tim up on television. He's in Oklahoma City, he's
covering that series, so he can't be there. But I
would I would have is having read that today and
going my god, this and seeing people's responses to it.
I would have loved to have heard Nico on the
record respond to that. But again, I'm not criticizing anybody
(04:13):
for how they went about what they did today. Everybody
had their own story that they wanted to write or
that they wanted to cover, and they asked the questions
they wanted to ask. Tim McMahon wrote the story. He
wasn't there, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, we needed Tim there. I wish Tim could have
been there. There was a question from CAROLDI ten eighty.
I'm like, ah, we could probably do without that one.
I actually like the rust of Scott question. Then it's
pretty good.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Do you have it?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Well? No, oh, let me say, maybe be fair to
Isaac too. But I added that because it's perfect for
our short radio segments. Yeah, but Isaac could say, like,
none of us have ever been booed by twenty thousand
people calling for our job like he set it up.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Please understand I'm not criticized. Oh no, no, yeah, no,
I'm not either.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think again, it's the most gratifying question that was
asked for the fan base, I think, but it's an
impossible one to answer.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, and I don't know you may have do you
have any of the stuff where people are asking about
Luca winning championships with defense.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
How about this one is in your mind? Is Luca
a championship player?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
When you look at Luka Doncics, do you consider him
a championship level player? You know, that's kind of an
unfair question. Luca is no longer on this team. But
what I am excited about is I do believe we
have a championship caliber team and we'll show that next year.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And that was on the heels of two other questions
about defense wins championships and the thing that we did
last week.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
This is up to the discretion of the league.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
But if he started talking about a player that's not
on his team, he can get fined by the league.
Remember when Magic Johnson went on Kimmel and then talking,
you know, trying to get any work for the Lakers organization.
So that gets that's a very slippery slope. So again
I get the question, and I'm intrigued by what is
he going to answer? But if he if he starts
(05:58):
evaluating Luca as a championship caliber player or not, he
can get fine because that player plays for the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To the anger and outrage from the fan base, has
that exceeded what you were kind of planning for? Yeah,
good question. I did know that Luca was important to
the to the fan base, I didn't quite know it
to the to what level. But really the way we
looked at it is, you know, if you're putting on
(06:26):
the if you're putting a team on the floor, that's Kyrie,
Clay PJ, Anthony Davis and Lively, we fill that's a
championship caliber team and we would have been winning at
a high level and that would have quieted some of
the outrage. Uh And so unfortunately we weren't able to
do that, so it just continued to, you know, go
on and on.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It would have helped, it would have helped it. Still,
shortening the window by six years and not getting full
return for Luca hurts no matter what. But even if
you're tiny little two year window plan was healthy and
we got to see it and they were winning, it
would have helped a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
It would have been better than this.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would say, like that is an accurate answer in
that if you're not playing heavy minutes to Kessler Edwards
and you have your team that you saw against Houston
out there, there would still be lots of horribly upset
people that want Nico fired.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
But the chance wouldn't be there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
If you're winning at a high level, people aren't in
there yelling negative stuff like I don't even remember in
the history of sports having seen that anywhere.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Even with winning, you still have Luca coming back and
the emotional return and all that.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
That still destroys people.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
So there's no the winning. I know, that's the answer
he has to say, But it's not. No one's gonna
feel better by anything.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
But you still traded for a guy that's six years older,
who's always hurt, and then he got here and he
was hurt. So I mean, like, I don't know, man,
that's aside from whatever emotion you want to take out
of it, emotional attachment to the player, which I think
it's fair to do. And we'll play more Nico stuff
in a minute. What Ben said is if you do,
if you take the emotion out of it, it's completely accurate.
(08:12):
You can reasonably say you traded for a player that's
significantly older, that has a bad track record of health.
That's a fair criticism of the trade. That has nothing
to do with emotional attachment to Luca.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Sure, well, what happens when he's asked if he knows
that people hate him, because he was asked that today,
And how do you respond to that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Ax, Okay, that's next. Don't go towhere, that's in less
than four minutes, that's coming up.
Popular Podcasts
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com