October 6, 2025 • 11 mins
“Can a movie be politically charged, wildly funny, emotionally deep — and still leave you wanting more?”That’s the question at the heart of this unforgettable episode of The Ben and Skin Show, where Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray go all-in on the film that’s stirring up buzz, controversy, and belly laughs: One Battle After Another, the latest from visionary director Paul Thomas Anderson.Fresh off their own viewings, Ben and Krystina join KT and Skin to break down the movie’s wild ride — from Sean Penn’s hilarious and haunting performance to Benicio del Toro’s Zen-like emotional core. The crew dives into the film’s layered themes of ego, activism, and identity, all wrapped in a fast-paced, unpredictable plot that somehow makes nearly three hours fly by.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben and Skin show nwe on point one the Eagle.
Don't forget all this week nine inch Nails tickets. You
gotta be listening to win. Gotta have that free iHeart
app and we will party with you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Don't you want to win some of those tickets? I
know you do. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I kill that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And that's big, really big. He's right. Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So on Friday, KT and I were out at Pluckers.
Christina and Ben were both on vacation, but they have
returned and they have both seen the movie that Kat
and I were talking about on Friday, one battle after another.
I've been very excited for everybody on the show to
see it so we can chat about it to kind
of set the table.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
How did it do at the box office?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
KT?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I got eleven million dollars this weekend, But in the
three weeks that it's been out worldwide over one hundred
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh good, about three weeks already?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, okay, because it had one hundred and twenty eight
million dollar budget and twenty eight million dollars, that's what
I believe got there yet. No, but and then you
have all the promotional but that's just you have all
the promotional budget.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, what I'm seeing forty three million in America, fifty
nine million internationally.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, Well where Ben saw it on Friday? Christina saw
it on yes last night?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Last night?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, all right with Katie and I have waide in.
Why don't we start with you, big Ben? Where did
you see it? What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I went and saw it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
On Friday at Cut Cinema and right in on that
Frisco prosper border kind of near Prosper Forward, and I
thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. I thought
Sean Penn was exceptional. It had obviously there's uh, you know, die,
It dials into a lot of things that we're kind
of dealing with now in America, and it's controversial in
(01:47):
that regard, like I don't like.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I hadn't even really thought about it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I thought it it makes fun of both sides to
a degree. But I know there's some people who absolutely
will not go see it because they're so far right.
They think it's just going to take shots at them politically,
so they don't have an interest, which I had. I
was like, oh wow, I didn't. I didn't realize that
was the way people were looking at this. Yeah, it's interesting.
I want to bring us up. We talked about a
little bit on Friday, But what did you think, Christina?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I loved going into it because you guys didn't really
say what it was about, and even watching the trailer,
you don't know what it's about. And I think that's
the best way to go into this thing, not knowing
what you're about to see, because it was it was
just so fun. It was constantly moving to where you
were so intrigued and skin you even said like, it's
what three hours long? But it doesn't before it doesn't
(02:32):
feel like that. You're just like, wait, what it's already over?
Oh my god, I kind of want more. But yeah,
Sean Penn was hilarious. There were multiple times in this
movie I laughed out loud, like it's really funny. But yeah,
there is a serious tone to it. But it's just
I loved it. I thought it was great. And Benicio
del Toro was my favorite, hands down, Like, if I could,
(02:53):
I might have to be him for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Honestly, he's so good. He's so great.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Did y'all see you know there's been him and Leo
have been going arod together doing a bunch of stuff.
Did y'all know that Benizio del Toro didn't read the script? No, No,
he just knew that it was a pt Anderson movie.
So he showed up on day one ready to go.
He's like, you want me, I'm in. And Sean Penn
had a minor thing in Licorice Pizza, but he had
(03:18):
been waiting to work with p T Anderson and I
saw him on Kimball and he was talking about this
guy is so unconventional and I've just been waiting.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
To do something with him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And we talked about how Sean Penn had kind of
like fallen off the map or whatever. He was like,
I wasn't excited about doing movies anymore. Just didn't excite me.
And this is the most excited I've been about a movie.
And I don't even know when.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I hope he wins something. I mean Leo could win
something too.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He's incredible, and I just love how it's this idea
the French seventy five, and you can't be a passive activist.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You got to get in there and you kind of
really mix it up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And they're willing to do all that and they're so
passionate and they're fighting for this incredible cause, and then
over time time e roades that passion and then he
can't remember any of the passwords or any of the
things to say, and it's just it just becomes.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Such a cluster of it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, in that way, that character is a lot like
the dude in The Big Lebowski I've heard, But it's
really interesting the way people react to what you're talking
about politically, because and this is why it reminded me
of Doctor Strangelove, and it reminded other people of it too,
Like the tone of it is so unique. I didn't
even think it took a political side.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
To me.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It was talking about the egos involved of people in movements,
like that's ultimately what's about. The Teyona Taylor character is
the biggest villain in the movie, you know, and she's
a liberal revolutionary and I'd seen another movie before that's
a really good criticism of liberal identity. If you guys
(04:57):
have ever seen the movie Half Nelson with Ryan Goss,
it's an incredible movie. And he's like, it's like the
reasons that people get involved in movements, whether that movement
is a right movement or a left movement, and in
this particular movie, Sean Penn represents the right and Tana
Taylor represents the left and extremes in both regards, and
(05:18):
they're tied together and they both have extreme egos and
it's in a lot of ways, it's less about politics
more about ego. And the performances are unbelievable, Like who
didn't nail their performance no matter what their role was.
Y'all did, And it's the you know, these identities based
in far extremes, and then the reality is that there
(05:40):
was an attraction like they like they they had it out,
they had it for each other, right, and then they
have a love child and it's like I heard somebody
breaking it down, like that the child represented the future
of America. Her character was that and that at the
end of it, you show that she wants to be
the best of what her mom what dream to be
(06:02):
and that ultimately she ended up being the baddest, baddest
badass in the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Right, it was great.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And she's totally in charge and like that has it
together around all these idiots and knows how to protect
herself and this idea that hey, everything's going to be
just fine. Yeah, if the future is going to be
just fine, and that's what she represented. Yeah, I like that.
I mean it's it's I can't recommend it enough to people.
And you talked about the link of it, Christina, and
my wife is like, when are we gonna go see
(06:28):
it again? How many two hours and forty four minute
movies do you want to go back to the theater?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You see? I mean, you give me that running time.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's always a red flag and just going to see that,
and I was like, holy crap, I mean I want
to see it again. I do want to watch all
the chase scenes again. If there's anyone who's like, oh,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't go see
it in the theater now, why you can? Because it's
just gonna be different when you watch it on your
TV at home. Yeah, Like, I get things are tight
right now, but go watch in the theater please, because
it's so good. So in this instant classic like this
(06:56):
is going to be a movie that's somewhat mainstream, not
that it's crushing it at the box off, but it's
all mainstream actors. A lot of times you get. These
have an indie feel to it. People in it you've
never heard of. These are Leonardo fn DiCaprio. Yeah, all right,
and this movie is an ald timer I think personally,
I think it's an old timer already.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I think people are going to talk about this movie
for years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
When Kat and I were talking about this on Friday,
I don't think you've seen any pt Anderson movie.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was going through and I was like, I haven't,
And I was sitting there thinking, So I was having
a conversation with someone that's like real into movies too,
and we're talking about like where it kind of ranks
with him or whatever. I definitely think it's his most
I think it's his best movie, but I think it's
his most entertaining movie since Boogie Knights. Like Boogie Knights
is compulsively watchable to me, I watch it every time
(07:45):
it's on, and kind of like this. There's an incredible
cast and everyone is spot on. Like, wait, if you
guys do get around and see it, wait to you
see phillipsy more Hoffman in it. I mean, he's just
so frickin memorable. It's such a funny character. There's this
theme of it. Just everybody is rat everybody's ratting each
(08:06):
other out, you know, like throughout the whole movie, oh
in one battle after and yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
think that taps into that whole idea of everyone sort
of working an angle and just you know, the guy
who's the purest spirit is Benicio del Toro. Yeah, he's
kind of like he's he's sort of the I don't know,
the emotional pulse of the movie. His attitude so where
(08:28):
he sits in this hierarchy and his attitude towards everything
is very zin Yeah, and man, there it's just it's
just so funny. And I do I do hate ben
that you're talking about like people feeling like the sort
of political feeling about it before they even see it,
because if you don't take that into it, you might
(08:48):
be at the beginning go oh, but then you're gonna
get lost in it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It wasn't specific at all.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I didn't think so, I mean, it's talking about a
revolutionary attitude and then it's talking about, uh, you know,
an ideological state apparatus, and.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So it it's.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Just about the personalities that interact within those structures. And
it's really really fun. Christina you haven't seen any of
the pta. Have you seen Magnolia?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No? No, you haven't seen there will be Blood.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, I'm way behind on if you.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Were to recommend something, Ben, if you were to recommend Magnolia,
Boogie Nights or there will be Blood to people who
haven't seen it, which one.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Would you recommend?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Probably Boogie Knights. I think it's the most relatable. Yeah,
and is I think that was the second movie he made. Yeah,
made it as a kid. It's got this unbelievable cast.
It's basically the John Holmes story. It's long too, but
like this movie, there's so much excellence happening in it
you never get caught up in the running time.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, and I won't spoil it, but you had mentioned this.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's a chase scene and there's something that happens in
that scene that I've never seen before ever, And it's
brilliant strategy, dude, super quick. It was shot and I
forget what it's called. Is called like vista camera. It's
a style that hadn't been used, this old analog camera
style from you know, forty fifty years ago, and he
(10:12):
wanted to shoot it in it, so he went to
a guy who stayed in the analog world and had
all this gear. And it's the actor Giovanni Ribisi has
dedicated his life to the old analog cameras.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
There you go, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
All right, one battle after another, everyone on the show
says thumbs up, go see it immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Thank you to the Dallas Cowboys for giving us so
much good stuff to talk about as well.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Don't forget we have nine inch nails tickets, so no
reason ever go anywhere but right here ninety seven point
won the Eagle. I'll never forget the time that KT
actually met Trent Resnor. His car had overheated. He walked
up to the window. Trent Reznor rolled down the window.
KT looked him in the eye and he said, oh
some fift and it really did a lot for him. Christine,
(11:02):
you gonna stick around and play some music.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Just for a bit, because we got MAVs tonight, Skin.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Tonight on the radio. MAVs right here on ninety seven
one the Eagle.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Here you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack back, dude,
all right,
Ben and Skin show nwe on point one the Eagle.
Don't forget all this week nine inch Nails tickets. You
gotta be listening to win. Gotta have that free iHeart
app and we will party with you.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Don't you want to win some of those tickets? I
know you do. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I kill that.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And that's big, really big. He's right. Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So on Friday, KT and I were out at Pluckers.
Christina and Ben were both on vacation, but they have
returned and they have both seen the movie that Kat
and I were talking about on Friday, one battle after another.
I've been very excited for everybody on the show to
see it so we can chat about it to kind
of set the table.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
How did it do at the box office?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
KT?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I got eleven million dollars this weekend, But in the
three weeks that it's been out worldwide over one hundred
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh good, about three weeks already?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, okay, because it had one hundred and twenty eight
million dollar budget and twenty eight million dollars, that's what
I believe got there yet. No, but and then you
have all the promotional but that's just you have all
the promotional budget.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, what I'm seeing forty three million in America, fifty
nine million internationally.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, Well where Ben saw it on Friday? Christina saw
it on yes last night?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Last night?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, all right with Katie and I have waide in.
Why don't we start with you, big Ben? Where did
you see it? What'd you think?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I went and saw it.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
On Friday at Cut Cinema and right in on that
Frisco prosper border kind of near Prosper Forward, and I
thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. I thought
Sean Penn was exceptional. It had obviously there's uh, you know, die,
It dials into a lot of things that we're kind
of dealing with now in America, and it's controversial in
(01:47):
that regard, like I don't like.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I hadn't even really thought about it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I thought it it makes fun of both sides to
a degree. But I know there's some people who absolutely
will not go see it because they're so far right.
They think it's just going to take shots at them politically,
so they don't have an interest, which I had. I
was like, oh wow, I didn't. I didn't realize that
was the way people were looking at this. Yeah, it's interesting.
I want to bring us up. We talked about a
little bit on Friday, But what did you think, Christina?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I loved going into it because you guys didn't really
say what it was about, and even watching the trailer,
you don't know what it's about. And I think that's
the best way to go into this thing, not knowing
what you're about to see, because it was it was
just so fun. It was constantly moving to where you
were so intrigued and skin you even said like, it's
what three hours long? But it doesn't before it doesn't
(02:32):
feel like that. You're just like, wait, what it's already over?
Oh my god, I kind of want more. But yeah,
Sean Penn was hilarious. There were multiple times in this
movie I laughed out loud, like it's really funny. But yeah,
there is a serious tone to it. But it's just
I loved it. I thought it was great. And Benicio
del Toro was my favorite, hands down, Like, if I could,
(02:53):
I might have to be him for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Honestly, he's so good. He's so great.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Did y'all see you know there's been him and Leo
have been going arod together doing a bunch of stuff.
Did y'all know that Benizio del Toro didn't read the script? No, No,
he just knew that it was a pt Anderson movie.
So he showed up on day one ready to go.
He's like, you want me, I'm in. And Sean Penn
had a minor thing in Licorice Pizza, but he had
(03:18):
been waiting to work with p T Anderson and I
saw him on Kimball and he was talking about this
guy is so unconventional and I've just been waiting.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
To do something with him.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And we talked about how Sean Penn had kind of
like fallen off the map or whatever. He was like,
I wasn't excited about doing movies anymore. Just didn't excite me.
And this is the most excited I've been about a movie.
And I don't even know when.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I hope he wins something. I mean Leo could win
something too.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
He's incredible, and I just love how it's this idea
the French seventy five, and you can't be a passive activist.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You got to get in there and you kind of
really mix it up.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
And they're willing to do all that and they're so
passionate and they're fighting for this incredible cause, and then
over time time e roades that passion and then he
can't remember any of the passwords or any of the
things to say, and it's just it just becomes.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Such a cluster of it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, in that way, that character is a lot like
the dude in The Big Lebowski I've heard, But it's
really interesting the way people react to what you're talking
about politically, because and this is why it reminded me
of Doctor Strangelove, and it reminded other people of it too,
Like the tone of it is so unique. I didn't
even think it took a political side.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
To me.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
It was talking about the egos involved of people in movements,
like that's ultimately what's about. The Teyona Taylor character is
the biggest villain in the movie, you know, and she's
a liberal revolutionary and I'd seen another movie before that's
a really good criticism of liberal identity. If you guys
(04:57):
have ever seen the movie Half Nelson with Ryan Goss,
it's an incredible movie. And he's like, it's like the
reasons that people get involved in movements, whether that movement
is a right movement or a left movement, and in
this particular movie, Sean Penn represents the right and Tana
Taylor represents the left and extremes in both regards, and
(05:18):
they're tied together and they both have extreme egos and
it's in a lot of ways, it's less about politics
more about ego. And the performances are unbelievable, Like who
didn't nail their performance no matter what their role was.
Y'all did, And it's the you know, these identities based
in far extremes, and then the reality is that there
(05:40):
was an attraction like they like they they had it out,
they had it for each other, right, and then they
have a love child and it's like I heard somebody
breaking it down, like that the child represented the future
of America. Her character was that and that at the
end of it, you show that she wants to be
the best of what her mom what dream to be
(06:02):
and that ultimately she ended up being the baddest, baddest
badass in the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Right, it was great.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And she's totally in charge and like that has it
together around all these idiots and knows how to protect
herself and this idea that hey, everything's going to be
just fine. Yeah, if the future is going to be
just fine, and that's what she represented. Yeah, I like that.
I mean it's it's I can't recommend it enough to people.
And you talked about the link of it, Christina, and
my wife is like, when are we gonna go see
(06:28):
it again? How many two hours and forty four minute
movies do you want to go back to the theater?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You see? I mean, you give me that running time.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
It's always a red flag and just going to see that,
and I was like, holy crap, I mean I want
to see it again. I do want to watch all
the chase scenes again. If there's anyone who's like, oh,
I don't know, I don't know. I don't go see
it in the theater now, why you can? Because it's
just gonna be different when you watch it on your
TV at home. Yeah, Like, I get things are tight
right now, but go watch in the theater please, because
it's so good. So in this instant classic like this
(06:56):
is going to be a movie that's somewhat mainstream, not
that it's crushing it at the box off, but it's
all mainstream actors. A lot of times you get. These
have an indie feel to it. People in it you've
never heard of. These are Leonardo fn DiCaprio. Yeah, all right,
and this movie is an ald timer I think personally,
I think it's an old timer already.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I think people are going to talk about this movie
for years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
When Kat and I were talking about this on Friday,
I don't think you've seen any pt Anderson movie.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was going through and I was like, I haven't,
And I was sitting there thinking, So I was having
a conversation with someone that's like real into movies too,
and we're talking about like where it kind of ranks
with him or whatever. I definitely think it's his most
I think it's his best movie, but I think it's
his most entertaining movie since Boogie Knights. Like Boogie Knights
is compulsively watchable to me, I watch it every time
(07:45):
it's on, and kind of like this. There's an incredible
cast and everyone is spot on. Like, wait, if you
guys do get around and see it, wait to you
see phillipsy more Hoffman in it. I mean, he's just
so frickin memorable. It's such a funny character. There's this
theme of it. Just everybody is rat everybody's ratting each
(08:06):
other out, you know, like throughout the whole movie, oh
in one battle after and yeah, yeah, yeah, And I
think that taps into that whole idea of everyone sort
of working an angle and just you know, the guy
who's the purest spirit is Benicio del Toro. Yeah, he's
kind of like he's he's sort of the I don't know,
the emotional pulse of the movie. His attitude so where
(08:28):
he sits in this hierarchy and his attitude towards everything
is very zin Yeah, and man, there it's just it's
just so funny. And I do I do hate ben
that you're talking about like people feeling like the sort
of political feeling about it before they even see it,
because if you don't take that into it, you might
(08:48):
be at the beginning go oh, but then you're gonna
get lost in it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It wasn't specific at all.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I didn't think so, I mean, it's talking about a
revolutionary attitude and then it's talking about, uh, you know,
an ideological state apparatus, and.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So it it's.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Just about the personalities that interact within those structures. And
it's really really fun. Christina you haven't seen any of
the pta. Have you seen Magnolia?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No? No, you haven't seen there will be Blood.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, I'm way behind on if you.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Were to recommend something, Ben, if you were to recommend Magnolia,
Boogie Nights or there will be Blood to people who
haven't seen it, which one.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Would you recommend?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Probably Boogie Knights. I think it's the most relatable. Yeah,
and is I think that was the second movie he made. Yeah,
made it as a kid. It's got this unbelievable cast.
It's basically the John Holmes story. It's long too, but
like this movie, there's so much excellence happening in it
you never get caught up in the running time.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, and I won't spoil it, but you had mentioned this.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's a chase scene and there's something that happens in
that scene that I've never seen before ever, And it's
brilliant strategy, dude, super quick. It was shot and I
forget what it's called. Is called like vista camera. It's
a style that hadn't been used, this old analog camera
style from you know, forty fifty years ago, and he
(10:12):
wanted to shoot it in it, so he went to
a guy who stayed in the analog world and had
all this gear. And it's the actor Giovanni Ribisi has
dedicated his life to the old analog cameras.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
There you go, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
All right, one battle after another, everyone on the show
says thumbs up, go see it immediately.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Thank you to the Dallas Cowboys for giving us so
much good stuff to talk about as well.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Don't forget we have nine inch nails tickets, so no
reason ever go anywhere but right here ninety seven point
won the Eagle. I'll never forget the time that KT
actually met Trent Resnor. His car had overheated. He walked
up to the window. Trent Reznor rolled down the window.
KT looked him in the eye and he said, oh
some fift and it really did a lot for him. Christine,
(11:02):
you gonna stick around and play some music.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Just for a bit, because we got MAVs tonight, Skin.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Tonight on the radio. MAVs right here on ninety seven
one the Eagle.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Here you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack back, dude,
all right,
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