November 5, 2025 • 8 mins
"Is it better to live on the edge of greatness or the brink of disaster?"That’s the existential question kicking off this rollercoaster episode of The Ben and Skin Show, where Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive headfirst into the emotional chaos of Dallas sports fandom.This episode is a masterclass in sports talk therapy. The crew debates the Cowboys’ questionable trade decisions, the Mavs’ offensive woes, and whether Kyrie Irving’s return can salvage a season teetering on collapse.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hell you have you guys been to an ace hardware recently?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
When epic win, I'll show you're gone ruling it be
except similar we pursuing it. Tumbled out shaws shaking through
the sewer. Dude, now what chilling at think eagle, Yeah,
we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
He clocking on the dot.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Got a habit for my house or go That is
how we're starting getting Crattit shows that up multiplied like
a rabbit to end zone out.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Break it up beat the habit. I want hang out
with urfering in blocking on the radio. My horn on
boy skinning it is talking on the radio. It's time to.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Do a sponsoring all it we go.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Katterstin up.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Ah Yes, a lord to welcome everybody. It's a hump
day edition of the world famous Ben and Skin Show.
Thank you for tuning in. Ben Rogers, Jeff skin Wade,
Kevin k. T. Turner, and Christina Little Baby Cornbread Ray
all hands on deck today in studio for what's going
to be an incredible extravaganza for your ear holes. Man,
I I kind of want to right off the rip
(01:23):
just say I'm kind of holding steady in my life.
There's a there's several things that are teetering on the
verge of being awesome or being complete catastrophes.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I like that as a way to live. Yeah, on
the edge. Life is but a moment. Let's go. I
don't like dangling, Ben, I hate It's a great point.
I hate dangling.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is metaphorical dangling, and you hate him. Yeah, it is,
uh right, right off the bat. I just want to say,
uh that, you know, sports is something I care about
a lot. It's it's something I care about deeply, our
local team, something I'm passionate about. And I just don't
have a good feel for how my two favorite teams
Stars and Rangers, the Cowboys and MAVs. I don't have
(02:07):
a good feel for either team right now. I feel
like we just witnessed a terrible trade by Jerry Jones yesterday.
I had a great player, But I just don't think
the Cowboys are.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Like I just don't think they're gonna be good for
a long time. They have so many holes, so many
things to fix it. And I hope I'm wrong. I
hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
That's why I'm teetering, Like I love the idea of
Quinn Williams, and I never in a millionaires thought they
could get him on their team. But I just he's
by the time they're good, he's gonna be washed. No,
when we do around the sports, I think Kevin wants
to trash the Cowboys and I know you're teetering. Yeah,
So I'm going to counter Kevin at and around the
sports and try to get you to teeter to my side.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Kevin, are you looking forward to that? Sure sounds fine
to me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I don't care. And then with the MAVs be here anyway, talkout.
He sounded like a beaten down sock puppet. Just now,
I want you remind have a beaten down sock puppet, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He's going to work man. Put my hand up here.
Just going to work man.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You should do a podcast called I'm Just going to
work man, and it's just about how bad your daily
life is.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Just debate skin every show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I just have people on who are also going to work,
and you share your horror stories. Show up with an idea,
let him audit the idea live, and hear about it
live on the air.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Kevin, I got some ideas for the way you're thinking. Okay,
I'm good. The other thing is my MAVs.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I don't have a good feel for what's happening in
theres my MAVs ownership.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, I love the Mavericks. Some time to do that.
I have my whole life. I love this thing. Face
is coming after you.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I thought about walking away. I really thought about walking
away after Luca trade, Like I really thought, all right,
I'm not a fan anymore. I sincerely thought about that,
Like it broke my freaking heart to have that trade happen.
But then they got the number one pick, and I'm like, wow,
hope restore. I was back on instantly, nice, back in.
That's the beauty of getting the number one pick and
a badass here. Yeah and so, but the MAVs are
(04:08):
two and five. I don't enjoy watching them play right now.
And I'm like, there's no you don't like the worst
offensive team. They're the worst offensive team in all of basketball.
Let me interest you in this tonight, Okay, tonight on
ninety seven point one. The Eagle pregame at seven. Game
starts at seven point thirty. Watch the two last place
(04:30):
teams in the Western Conference tip it up there, three
and eleven. This one is for all the marbles. They're
three and eleven combine. Hornets got Hornets. Peal's got a
big win last night against the Hornets, so they won
their first game. I also, okay, so second nut of
a back to back. They're missing three starters, let's go
they had. They're one and six, so this should be
a win.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Two teams missing three of their starters will see you there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, I just don't have a goggling the score.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm like, you had the whole offseason to address your roster,
and it's like they decided not to.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Like, now we're good, well, k Kyle, Kyle'll be back on.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's let me let me stop you. Okay, that's not fair.
They addressed their roster to the limit of their ability
to do so under the salary cap. Right now, if
you want to criticize, which you're more than welcome to.
If you're gonna say, man, we cut a former first
round pick to make room for Dantexon, who's never been
healthy in his entire career and as yet yet to practice.
(05:27):
That's fair, right. D'Angelo Russell is actually a good value play.
It is a good value I don't want your games
to depend on him, and it really feels like that
right now, It's like, Okay, if he can pull it
out of his butt, I think we got a shot.
And he shooting twenty nine percent from three point range.
I'm just like, he's the closest thing to a point guard.
At times, you see out there and you're like, what, Well,
(05:47):
you had all season, all off season to figure out
who's going to run the offense.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Hey, while Kyrie was out, and you decided let's just
try this.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well I would I guess I would just say, and
I'm not here to defend the Mavericks, but I am.
I don't know what their options were, like the other
guy they were considering, Malcolm Brogden, retired three weeks ago.
What about a trade though it doesn't have to just
be free agency. What about they could have made a trade,
right I think if you wanted to, you could give
(06:16):
up a bunch of assets for Jahn Morant right now.
If you wanted to get an All NBA player that
is twenty six. If you want to get a guy
that gets suspended for guns every four weeks, highly paid,
it has been suspended by the league for a third
of the year and can't shoot.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The coach.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But if you want that, you can get that, you
can give up PJ and Gafford and for future. First,
they don't have a point guard and they don't have shooting.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's a bad thing in the modern NBA. You kind
of need those two things.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And they I feel like they could have addressed it
this offseason, but like we're stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
We have to wait for Kyle.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm like, all right, well, I look, I would say
they addressed it to the best of their ability because
I I am of like they could have walked away
from Kai, but I don't want to do that. They
could have just not signed him and you know, punted.
I don't want to do that. I think when Kai,
I think when he's back, I think they're going to
(07:14):
be really awesome, unless they all get hurt again. Anthony
Davis and Derek Lively being hurt is not shocking.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They're always hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Lively is very troubling at that age and that size.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He's getting taller. Those are guys that are always hurt. Yeah,
I don't know, man. I don't want his nickname to
be stress fracture.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I want to turn this around. I want to and
my happiness will be better. I'll be better off if
they can turn it around. And I think the MAVs
have a better chance of turning around than the Cowboys. Right,
had some good news, dude, it's a bye week baby,
because Kyrie coming back would be like the Cowboys struggling,
but you're going to get Dak back. I think the
Cowboys and the Mavericks if healthy, and that's a big
(07:54):
if for the Mavericks. Like, if you want to tear
down the Mavericks on their health issues, I'm not putting
up any bit of a fight because if you load
your roster up with guys who have a history of
missing games, that's not the odds, right. But I'll say this,
I firmly believe with health, the Mavericks and the Cowboys
both will be at the top of their conference next year.
That's awesome, and Luca will be putting up forty twelve
(08:17):
and eight.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now they'll be five and it'll be fun, all right.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Second best player at Austin Raeves Coming up next, We're
back to that. Coming up next, We're you gonna take
some things. Skin is tracking. I want to review the
first segment and then after that, I have lots of
things I want to get to including did I miss
out on a classic film the first time around? A
grand opening, and a shout out to our friends.
Hell you have you guys been to an ace hardware recently?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
When epic win, I'll show you're gone ruling it be
except similar we pursuing it. Tumbled out shaws shaking through
the sewer. Dude, now what chilling at think eagle, Yeah,
we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
He clocking on the dot.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Got a habit for my house or go That is
how we're starting getting Crattit shows that up multiplied like
a rabbit to end zone out.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Break it up beat the habit. I want hang out
with urfering in blocking on the radio. My horn on
boy skinning it is talking on the radio. It's time to.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Do a sponsoring all it we go.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Katterstin up.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Ah Yes, a lord to welcome everybody. It's a hump
day edition of the world famous Ben and Skin Show.
Thank you for tuning in. Ben Rogers, Jeff skin Wade,
Kevin k. T. Turner, and Christina Little Baby Cornbread Ray
all hands on deck today in studio for what's going
to be an incredible extravaganza for your ear holes. Man,
I I kind of want to right off the rip
(01:23):
just say I'm kind of holding steady in my life.
There's a there's several things that are teetering on the
verge of being awesome or being complete catastrophes.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I like that as a way to live. Yeah, on
the edge. Life is but a moment. Let's go. I
don't like dangling, Ben, I hate It's a great point.
I hate dangling.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
This is metaphorical dangling, and you hate him. Yeah, it is,
uh right, right off the bat. I just want to say,
uh that, you know, sports is something I care about
a lot. It's it's something I care about deeply, our
local team, something I'm passionate about. And I just don't
have a good feel for how my two favorite teams
Stars and Rangers, the Cowboys and MAVs. I don't have
(02:07):
a good feel for either team right now. I feel
like we just witnessed a terrible trade by Jerry Jones yesterday.
I had a great player, But I just don't think
the Cowboys are.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Like I just don't think they're gonna be good for
a long time. They have so many holes, so many
things to fix it. And I hope I'm wrong. I
hope I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
That's why I'm teetering, Like I love the idea of
Quinn Williams, and I never in a millionaires thought they
could get him on their team. But I just he's
by the time they're good, he's gonna be washed. No,
when we do around the sports, I think Kevin wants
to trash the Cowboys and I know you're teetering. Yeah,
So I'm going to counter Kevin at and around the
sports and try to get you to teeter to my side.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Kevin, are you looking forward to that? Sure sounds fine
to me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I don't care. And then with the MAVs be here anyway, talkout.
He sounded like a beaten down sock puppet. Just now,
I want you remind have a beaten down sock puppet, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He's going to work man. Put my hand up here.
Just going to work man.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You should do a podcast called I'm Just going to
work man, and it's just about how bad your daily
life is.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Just debate skin every show.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I just have people on who are also going to work,
and you share your horror stories. Show up with an idea,
let him audit the idea live, and hear about it
live on the air.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Kevin, I got some ideas for the way you're thinking. Okay,
I'm good. The other thing is my MAVs.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
I don't have a good feel for what's happening in
theres my MAVs ownership.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, I love the Mavericks. Some time to do that.
I have my whole life. I love this thing. Face
is coming after you.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I thought about walking away. I really thought about walking
away after Luca trade, Like I really thought, all right,
I'm not a fan anymore. I sincerely thought about that,
Like it broke my freaking heart to have that trade happen.
But then they got the number one pick, and I'm like, wow,
hope restore. I was back on instantly, nice, back in.
That's the beauty of getting the number one pick and
a badass here. Yeah and so, but the MAVs are
(04:08):
two and five. I don't enjoy watching them play right now.
And I'm like, there's no you don't like the worst
offensive team. They're the worst offensive team in all of basketball.
Let me interest you in this tonight, Okay, tonight on
ninety seven point one. The Eagle pregame at seven. Game
starts at seven point thirty. Watch the two last place
(04:30):
teams in the Western Conference tip it up there, three
and eleven. This one is for all the marbles. They're
three and eleven combine. Hornets got Hornets. Peal's got a
big win last night against the Hornets, so they won
their first game. I also, okay, so second nut of
a back to back. They're missing three starters, let's go
they had. They're one and six, so this should be
a win.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Two teams missing three of their starters will see you there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Okay, I just don't have a goggling the score.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm like, you had the whole offseason to address your roster,
and it's like they decided not to.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Like, now we're good, well, k Kyle, Kyle'll be back on.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
That's let me let me stop you. Okay, that's not fair.
They addressed their roster to the limit of their ability
to do so under the salary cap. Right now, if
you want to criticize, which you're more than welcome to.
If you're gonna say, man, we cut a former first
round pick to make room for Dantexon, who's never been
healthy in his entire career and as yet yet to practice.
(05:27):
That's fair, right. D'Angelo Russell is actually a good value play.
It is a good value I don't want your games
to depend on him, and it really feels like that
right now, It's like, Okay, if he can pull it
out of his butt, I think we got a shot.
And he shooting twenty nine percent from three point range.
I'm just like, he's the closest thing to a point guard.
At times, you see out there and you're like, what, Well,
(05:47):
you had all season, all off season to figure out
who's going to run the offense.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Hey, while Kyrie was out, and you decided let's just
try this.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well I would I guess I would just say, and
I'm not here to defend the Mavericks, but I am.
I don't know what their options were, like the other
guy they were considering, Malcolm Brogden, retired three weeks ago.
What about a trade though it doesn't have to just
be free agency. What about they could have made a trade,
right I think if you wanted to, you could give
(06:16):
up a bunch of assets for Jahn Morant right now.
If you wanted to get an All NBA player that
is twenty six. If you want to get a guy
that gets suspended for guns every four weeks, highly paid,
it has been suspended by the league for a third
of the year and can't shoot.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The coach.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
But if you want that, you can get that, you
can give up PJ and Gafford and for future. First,
they don't have a point guard and they don't have shooting.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
That's a bad thing in the modern NBA. You kind
of need those two things.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
And they I feel like they could have addressed it
this offseason, but like we're stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
We have to wait for Kyle.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I'm like, all right, well, I look, I would say
they addressed it to the best of their ability because
I I am of like they could have walked away
from Kai, but I don't want to do that. They
could have just not signed him and you know, punted.
I don't want to do that. I think when Kai,
I think when he's back, I think they're going to
(07:14):
be really awesome, unless they all get hurt again. Anthony
Davis and Derek Lively being hurt is not shocking.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They're always hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Lively is very troubling at that age and that size.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
He's getting taller. Those are guys that are always hurt. Yeah,
I don't know, man. I don't want his nickname to
be stress fracture.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I want to turn this around. I want to and
my happiness will be better. I'll be better off if
they can turn it around. And I think the MAVs
have a better chance of turning around than the Cowboys. Right,
had some good news, dude, it's a bye week baby,
because Kyrie coming back would be like the Cowboys struggling,
but you're going to get Dak back. I think the
Cowboys and the Mavericks if healthy, and that's a big
(07:54):
if for the Mavericks. Like, if you want to tear
down the Mavericks on their health issues, I'm not putting
up any bit of a fight because if you load
your roster up with guys who have a history of
missing games, that's not the odds, right. But I'll say this,
I firmly believe with health, the Mavericks and the Cowboys
both will be at the top of their conference next year.
That's awesome, and Luca will be putting up forty twelve
(08:17):
and eight.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now they'll be five and it'll be fun, all right.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Second best player at Austin Raeves Coming up next, We're
back to that. Coming up next, We're you gonna take
some things. Skin is tracking. I want to review the
first segment and then after that, I have lots of
things I want to get to including did I miss
out on a classic film the first time around? A
grand opening, and a shout out to our friends.
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