October 13, 2025 • 17 mins
"Who do you believe in—Kurt Russell or Kevin Costner?"That’s the question that ignites this wildly entertaining episode of The Ben and Skin Show, featuring Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray. The crew dives deep into the Hollywood Reporter’s explosive exposé on Kevin Costner, revealing a behind-the-scenes saga of ego, feuds, and failed dreams that feels more dramatic than any Yellowstone episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you excited?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Featuring veteran news anchor Kat's fun tweets?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
All right, full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This story came out late last week and could have
done it on the show, but we need to wait
till Ben was here because this story involves Costner.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Kevin Costner, I'm on record, this is the greatest human
on earth, phenomenal man, special person, flawless, never had any
mistakes at all, perfect basically.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Besides the Horizon one, which you didn't really like. Yeah,
that wasn't very good. Was his ego got out of
control on that. He's like, I'm gonna make.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Eight movies and I'm gonna put all my money into it,
and I'm gonna save the movie theater business. And this
eight movie thing is gonna take so long to set
up that I'm not even gonna be in this one
for the first forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The Hollywood Reporter has a big Costner piece, in fact,
so big this will be this segment and the big
finish start out. Kevin Costner his co stars Wes Bentley
and Kelly Riley were filming a tense scene of Yellowstone
on a sound stage in Utah.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Give me those names again, please, Kelly Riley, that's the girl.
And then Wes Bentley, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Know, Yeah, he was in He was the kid in
American Beauty that sat there and watched plastic baggies fly around.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Between tensions boiled over. Costner was pushing Bentley to ditch
Taylor Sheridan's script and play the moment his way.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Bentley refused.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He told Costner that he'd signed up for a Taylor
Sheridan show, not a Kevin Costner production, and soar says.
Cost didn't like that, and he launched at him. No
fists were thrown, but they were in each other's faces,
pushing and shoving until they had to be separated. Meanwhile,
Kelly Riley, who believes the blonde with the.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Rip or whatever he's hot, looks kind of like my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
She is in tears and they briefly had to shut
down Productionritish tears.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, British tears are terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Here's a good setup paragraph for the rest of the article.
This dust up was just a tipping point on a
set already cracking from creative power struggles and bruised egos.
But for Coster, it was the latest incident and a
long series of a career marked by feuds, walkouts, lawsuits,
financing fiascos, and a growing reputation for being, As one
(02:24):
former colleague put it impossible, Oh, how did.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
He get the city to Irby or the key to
the city of Irving. We're gonna get to that because
I think I know. So.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
There's a long list of people in Hollywood who swear
they're never going to work with Kevin Costner again. And
I didn't know he was thought of like that, Amy Madigan.
He's got a lot of people. They all have the reasons.
He doesn't always pay his bills on time. Oh he
burns through relationships.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
This is a full tear down piece, isn't it. It
absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He burns through relationships like his longtime producing partner who
he sued for fifteen million dollars who won?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Uh. He ignores advice from Steven Spielberg here, rewrites scripts
without warning overrules directors, and on more than one occasion,
is clashed with his co stars, including Clint Eastwood and
Kurt Russell.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Tough for me. Now mom and dad are fighting. Who
do I believe in? Kurt Russell or Kevin Coster? The way,
hold on, what a great question. Who do I believe in?
Kurt Russell or Kevin Costner T shirt?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's so good. That is a great T shirt I
believe in. I just have a picture of each.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's only one or the other.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I would.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think that will be the shirt of next summer.
Everyone will want one.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Now, there have been signs of a massive ego, and
it was never I mean when he's cost he dominated
the nineties pretty much like nobody else.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, he was on fire in late eighties.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
But you know when he comes back and he's doing
TV and Yellowstone explodes and does as well as it did,
now he feels like he's a god again. And then
he makes Horizon and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He got into that. Oh okay, okay, let me just
tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, he goes high right because he's hould the hog,
dances with wolves, all the stuff that's early night.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Then came water World. Yeah, nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Steven Spielberg advised him to avoid filming on the open
sea at all costs.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He's like, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Water World with a budget of one hundred and seventy
five million dollars. Then the most expensive movie ever wad
and began shooting in Hawaii. They had hurricanes, tsunami warnings,
jellyfish bites, several injuries, including him he almost died riding
out a storm.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We got to get the shot that sounds like apocalypse now.
So there's a big flop. Obviously, in the ninety five
The Mailman movie was bad too. Oh the Postman, The Postman,
I never saw it. Oh, it's really big. I actually
never saw water World.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
When we come back, let's talk about his fight with
Clint Eastwood and also why I think Irving gave him
the key to the city connect.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's juicy. Been in Skin Show ninety some point one.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The Eagle in this segment is brought to you by
roller Town beer Works. Baby, that's the brewery that Ben
and I are partners. And we had our very last
weekend in Solina this weekend and people showed up in
huge numbers. Thank you for our sendoff from Solina. Great
people out there. We will never forget those memories. But
(05:43):
now Ben, we are moving our headquarters to Main Street
and Frisco are grand opening Friday, October twenty fourth. We're
gonna have so many events and so many cool things
going on. There on the lawn, a two story tap room.
It's visible from the toll way. We're just super excited
about this.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, man, I can't be up there enough.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Like I just drive past it and I'm just blown
away that our humble beginnings in Solina have now sprung
and grown into this beanstalk of this exquisite place in
Frisco on Main Street, just a couple doors down from
FC Dallas and Toyota Stadium. But man, we are going
to have some good times there. We're going to see
lots of live music, and it just feels so special
(06:25):
to be in Frisco, which is an unbelievably awesome place.
So yeah, man, Rollertown Frisco opens on Friday, October twenty fourth,
permanent food, food trucks and an even bigger beer selection.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We are excited about that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And tomorrow we're gonna have a special show for you
because we're all going to be out at the Rollertown
Open at PGA Frisco, benefiting the National Breast Cancer Foundation.
So make sure to listen tomorrow to a very special
show that we have planned for you while we're out
there doing good work with Rollertown in the National Breast
Cancer Foundation. But right now it's time for this kill.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That and edged big, really big.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's what the guy said when he saw the new
Rowtoime facility in fir Scout. Yeah, okay, so we were
talking about the Kevin cost piece and the Hollywood reporter
from last week that we waited until Ben got back for.
So Taylor Sheridan had originally envisioned Robert Redford to play
the role that Kevin Costner was playing, but the show
HBO was going to get it in the Paramount up
(07:24):
their offer. So Paramount got it and they're like, we
have the money to go get Costner. So Taylor Sheridan
didn't even want cost He wanted Robert Redford.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Robert Redford wasn't going.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
To do that, probably not, but maybe who knows how
Taylor Sheridan was envisioning the show to be a yeah
time too.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Let's just say go look at the last time Redford
was out doing stuff rest rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Jeez, major age difference there right by like twenty years. Yeah,
it's significant. Yeah, but Redford would have been great in
that role too. Yeah, yeah, dudd he would have done it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
As the seasons were on, certain cast members were growing
fed up with Costner being a diva. Keep in mind
these are mostly unknown people at the time. They were
fiercely loyal to Taylor Sheridan, Who's given them their big chance,
not Kevin Costner telling them you should put the coffee
milk here in this shot.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, And Sheridan is the golden goose.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, he is going to continue to crank out hits
and do deals with networks and things like that. So
if mom and dad are fighting and it's Shardan Costner,
if you want to look out for your career, you'd
go with Sheridan.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Plus it sounds like Costner. It's just straight up a douchebag.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
This is where it got real awkward. So once Yellowstone's
a hit, Sheridan's like, let's do some spin offs and stuff.
So they do Yellowstone eighteen eighty three pretty good, And
Costner did not like that because he had been circulating
a script for the movie Horizon about the old Weston
in fact, a project he had been pitching around town
(08:47):
since nineteen eighty eight. This was his white Whale. It
was a two hundred million dollar western. It'd be four
films set in the post Civil War American West, maybe a.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Twelve year period. It's gonna be APIs be awesome, Everyone's
gonna love it.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So basically, back when Beverly Hills Cop was popping, Costner's
out there trying to get Horizon made.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is his big thing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And now Yellowstone's gonna make an eighteen eighty three spin off,
and he's like, they'll buy that, but they won't buy mine.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
No one want it, and one.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Source says he was obsessively pursuing it, and as a result,
the Yellowstone world starts unraveling with Costner. Then it was
reported that Costner had scrounged up financing to start making
the Horizon films go. He wanted to spend no more
than one week on the Yellowstone set for the final episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, one for the final season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He presented Paramount with that offer and they went, we're good,
We're not gonna do that. We're going to kill off
your character spoiler.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
At his peak, he was being paid around one point
five million dollars an episode, but the show says if
he would have just stayed that, they think it would
have expanded to be eight seasons long, and that he
would have made forty five million dollars on that money
he could have used for his little pet project Horizon.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Also his divorce that he had to go through too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Boy, that's another tough deal, another tough thing. So there's
some bad blood between them. Costner had a hard time
finding horses and cows to rent during his Horizon shooting Utah.
The rumor was on the set was that most of
the livestock had already been rented by Taylor.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Sharon got his cows, He got his cow.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm gonna get there and rent them cows before Costner do.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
When people coast to Costa read the original script for Horizon,
which was over one hundred and eighty pages, they urged
him to drastically cut it and revise it. The script
goes to sprawling cast of characters with storylines that all
converge on a fictional Western settlement. One source who read
it said, I couldn't get through it all. It was Bananasville.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I mean this is all ego. Yes, this is all
jump out of control. The thing that's so amazing. And
I've brought this up to you guys before. This has
happened in Hollywood before, with a guy named Michael Chamino,
that made the most expensive Western at the time. It
was so expensive it killed an entire studio. United Artists
ceased to exist. Because his ego was so big coming
(11:26):
off The Deer Hunter. Nobody could tell him anything and
he was gonna make his epic, unwatchable Western.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
What was like? It was called uh and the Ugly No.
Now I'm forgetting the name of it. I'll look it up.
Keep going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So by spring of twenty twenty two, he'd pulled together
enough money for Horizon, and he got Luke Wilson to
jump on board Cienna Miller and to start shooting the
first and second on the four films.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There's so many films.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So in the spring of twenty twenty four, after that
production wrapped, he took it to the con Film Festival.
There were concerns the movie wasn't ready and needed more
time for testing, but Costner took it anyways, even though
everyone advised him not to. Yeah, Rotten Tomatoes ended up
giving it a twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh No, it wasn't even that good.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm gonna look by the way, the movie I was
some about was called Heaven's Gate, and I'm now gonna
look up it's rotten tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And again it's okay, Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
There's four movies here, four Horizon movies, right, And my
whole thing was like, I think Costner is a great
starting quarterback in a movie. I think he can be
the number one and you could build a championship movie
around him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But he was looking at this with his big ego.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Here's four long movies, like over two plus hours each, right,
three hour movies, four three hour movies, and so he thought, well,
we're just setting up all these characters. This first two
and a half three hour movie is just all set up.
People don't want that. It sucks. He wasn't even in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
For like forever the fifties.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He just thinks that people are interested in whatever he's
interested in because it's tim and if I'm interested in it,
you guys are gonna do anything I say to get
my stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I've heard people talking about it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
We had a yeah we were playing I don't remember
which musician this was, but somebody was talking about what
performing every night to a sold out arena does to
your ego as a music performer, where you're just like
you're a god.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, how are you?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's uh yeah, the SNL rider that talks like this
talking about Mick Jagger. If you're gonna do yeah, that's
exactly what was What does that do to your ego
if that's the world you live in?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So for Kostner, I mean, he was burnt after the
ego ride he went on in the nineties. He was
on top of the world, and it just sounds like
he is delusional and still trapped in that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh it's not like he's got yes men around him.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
People are saying, dude, do not do this, Like he's
got no man and he is still doing it. Yes, Yes,
we're talking this Taylor Swift, a bunch of yes guys
saying whatever you do is fine.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
He has people saying, no, dude, hold on, we can
make this. We'll make it work. But hold on, dude.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's not like he hasn't been through this before. Water
World was humiliating for him. This is who the guy is.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Trying to make it right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
This guy lived through Robin Hood, Prince of Thief. I mean,
let's talk about this guy. He's he's delusional.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So we talked a lot about the comedy festival over
in Saudi Arabia. Okay, So Costner went over to Saudi
Arabia looking to meet some rich guys. Ah. He accepted
a Lifetime Achievement award at Saudi Arabia's Joy Awards, has
a big speech. He met with the top Saudi officials
and pitched them to help finance the third and fourth
(14:39):
installments of Horizon. According to two sources, the Saudis were
open to investing a certain amount in the franchise, but
not the sum that Costner was seeking. He ultimately walked
away with nothing. Dude, they have all the money and
they will give it away. Phil Mickelson five hundred million dollars.
Feel ain't worth that at all, Like, and he was like,
(15:02):
not enough, not enough from the Saudis.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I've actually I just realized Costner is the Phil Mickelson
of actors.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Okay, I could kind of see this. Let's hear this,
you know. Yeah. But also he was in his prime.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He was never going to be the best because there
was someone else out there, in this case, Kurt Russell
that was always just one notch ahead of him, so
he could never So he was gonna end up going
and taking Saudi money.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay, So Don Johnson's playing the tiger character in ten Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay for really get into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So he's got a lot of stuff going on, including
we've talked about this story. There was a scene he's
got to go to court because there's a hearing because
there was a female stunt performer who filed a suit
against him. A legend she was forced to perform an
unscripted scene of oh what sex?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right? Oh all right? Yeah, I remember this without proper
safety protocols.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's his operation because they had they usually have quote
unquote intimacy advisors and stuff during all that. But I mean, hey, no,
do this rape scene now. I'm costner. I appreciate you
guys saving this for me. And that's how we're gonna
end today's show. Don't forget tomorrow. It's a very special show.
(16:25):
Is We're gonna be out at the Rollertown Open PGA
Frisco benefiting the National Breast Cancer Foundation. I'll never forget
the time KT looked his sexual compliance officer dead in
her eye and he said, I.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Think I would say never change, you know, but also change.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, And she was really able to take that to heart. Christina,
you gonna stick around play some music.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Just for a bit. We got MAVs tonight's skin.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
MAVs pregame with Coop and De Maris, and then the
game afterwards.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Check it out all right here on the Eagle. Here
you going, Well, I'm gonna get my sock back. Dude,
I gotta take a poop.
Are you excited?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Featuring veteran news anchor Kat's fun tweets?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
All right, full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This story came out late last week and could have
done it on the show, but we need to wait
till Ben was here because this story involves Costner.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Kevin Costner, I'm on record, this is the greatest human
on earth, phenomenal man, special person, flawless, never had any
mistakes at all, perfect basically.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Besides the Horizon one, which you didn't really like. Yeah,
that wasn't very good. Was his ego got out of
control on that. He's like, I'm gonna make.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Eight movies and I'm gonna put all my money into it,
and I'm gonna save the movie theater business. And this
eight movie thing is gonna take so long to set
up that I'm not even gonna be in this one
for the first forty five minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The Hollywood Reporter has a big Costner piece, in fact,
so big this will be this segment and the big
finish start out. Kevin Costner his co stars Wes Bentley
and Kelly Riley were filming a tense scene of Yellowstone
on a sound stage in Utah.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Give me those names again, please, Kelly Riley, that's the girl.
And then Wes Bentley, I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Know, Yeah, he was in He was the kid in
American Beauty that sat there and watched plastic baggies fly around.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Between tensions boiled over. Costner was pushing Bentley to ditch
Taylor Sheridan's script and play the moment his way.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Bentley refused.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
He told Costner that he'd signed up for a Taylor
Sheridan show, not a Kevin Costner production, and soar says.
Cost didn't like that, and he launched at him. No
fists were thrown, but they were in each other's faces,
pushing and shoving until they had to be separated. Meanwhile,
Kelly Riley, who believes the blonde with the.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Rip or whatever he's hot, looks kind of like my wife.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
She is in tears and they briefly had to shut
down Productionritish tears.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, British tears are terrible.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Here's a good setup paragraph for the rest of the article.
This dust up was just a tipping point on a
set already cracking from creative power struggles and bruised egos.
But for Coster, it was the latest incident and a
long series of a career marked by feuds, walkouts, lawsuits,
financing fiascos, and a growing reputation for being, As one
(02:24):
former colleague put it impossible, Oh, how did.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
He get the city to Irby or the key to
the city of Irving. We're gonna get to that because
I think I know. So.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
There's a long list of people in Hollywood who swear
they're never going to work with Kevin Costner again. And
I didn't know he was thought of like that, Amy Madigan.
He's got a lot of people. They all have the reasons.
He doesn't always pay his bills on time. Oh he
burns through relationships.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
This is a full tear down piece, isn't it. It
absolutely is.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He burns through relationships like his longtime producing partner who
he sued for fifteen million dollars who won?
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Uh. He ignores advice from Steven Spielberg here, rewrites scripts
without warning overrules directors, and on more than one occasion,
is clashed with his co stars, including Clint Eastwood and
Kurt Russell.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Tough for me. Now mom and dad are fighting. Who
do I believe in? Kurt Russell or Kevin Coster? The way,
hold on, what a great question. Who do I believe in?
Kurt Russell or Kevin Costner T shirt?
Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's so good. That is a great T shirt I
believe in. I just have a picture of each.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
It's only one or the other.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I would.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think that will be the shirt of next summer.
Everyone will want one.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Now, there have been signs of a massive ego, and
it was never I mean when he's cost he dominated
the nineties pretty much like nobody else.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, he was on fire in late eighties.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
But you know when he comes back and he's doing
TV and Yellowstone explodes and does as well as it did,
now he feels like he's a god again. And then
he makes Horizon and.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
He got into that. Oh okay, okay, let me just
tell you.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, he goes high right because he's hould the hog,
dances with wolves, all the stuff that's early night.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Then came water World. Yeah, nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Steven Spielberg advised him to avoid filming on the open
sea at all costs.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
He's like, nah, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Water World with a budget of one hundred and seventy
five million dollars. Then the most expensive movie ever wad
and began shooting in Hawaii. They had hurricanes, tsunami warnings,
jellyfish bites, several injuries, including him he almost died riding
out a storm.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
We got to get the shot that sounds like apocalypse now.
So there's a big flop. Obviously, in the ninety five
The Mailman movie was bad too. Oh the Postman, The Postman,
I never saw it. Oh, it's really big. I actually
never saw water World.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
When we come back, let's talk about his fight with
Clint Eastwood and also why I think Irving gave him
the key to the city connect.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's juicy. Been in Skin Show ninety some point one.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The Eagle in this segment is brought to you by
roller Town beer Works. Baby, that's the brewery that Ben
and I are partners. And we had our very last
weekend in Solina this weekend and people showed up in
huge numbers. Thank you for our sendoff from Solina. Great
people out there. We will never forget those memories. But
(05:43):
now Ben, we are moving our headquarters to Main Street
and Frisco are grand opening Friday, October twenty fourth. We're
gonna have so many events and so many cool things
going on. There on the lawn, a two story tap room.
It's visible from the toll way. We're just super excited
about this.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, man, I can't be up there enough.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Like I just drive past it and I'm just blown
away that our humble beginnings in Solina have now sprung
and grown into this beanstalk of this exquisite place in
Frisco on Main Street, just a couple doors down from
FC Dallas and Toyota Stadium. But man, we are going
to have some good times there. We're going to see
lots of live music, and it just feels so special
(06:25):
to be in Frisco, which is an unbelievably awesome place.
So yeah, man, Rollertown Frisco opens on Friday, October twenty fourth,
permanent food, food trucks and an even bigger beer selection.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We are excited about that.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
And tomorrow we're gonna have a special show for you
because we're all going to be out at the Rollertown
Open at PGA Frisco, benefiting the National Breast Cancer Foundation.
So make sure to listen tomorrow to a very special
show that we have planned for you while we're out
there doing good work with Rollertown in the National Breast
Cancer Foundation. But right now it's time for this kill.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That and edged big, really big.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's what the guy said when he saw the new
Rowtoime facility in fir Scout. Yeah, okay, so we were
talking about the Kevin cost piece and the Hollywood reporter
from last week that we waited until Ben got back for.
So Taylor Sheridan had originally envisioned Robert Redford to play
the role that Kevin Costner was playing, but the show
HBO was going to get it in the Paramount up
(07:24):
their offer. So Paramount got it and they're like, we
have the money to go get Costner. So Taylor Sheridan
didn't even want cost He wanted Robert Redford.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Robert Redford wasn't going.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
To do that, probably not, but maybe who knows how
Taylor Sheridan was envisioning the show to be a yeah
time too.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Let's just say go look at the last time Redford
was out doing stuff rest rest in peace.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Jeez, major age difference there right by like twenty years. Yeah,
it's significant. Yeah, but Redford would have been great in
that role too. Yeah, yeah, dudd he would have done it.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
As the seasons were on, certain cast members were growing
fed up with Costner being a diva. Keep in mind
these are mostly unknown people at the time. They were
fiercely loyal to Taylor Sheridan, Who's given them their big chance,
not Kevin Costner telling them you should put the coffee
milk here in this shot.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right, And Sheridan is the golden goose.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, he is going to continue to crank out hits
and do deals with networks and things like that. So
if mom and dad are fighting and it's Shardan Costner,
if you want to look out for your career, you'd
go with Sheridan.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Plus it sounds like Costner. It's just straight up a douchebag.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
This is where it got real awkward. So once Yellowstone's
a hit, Sheridan's like, let's do some spin offs and stuff.
So they do Yellowstone eighteen eighty three pretty good, And
Costner did not like that because he had been circulating
a script for the movie Horizon about the old Weston
in fact, a project he had been pitching around town
(08:47):
since nineteen eighty eight. This was his white Whale. It
was a two hundred million dollar western. It'd be four
films set in the post Civil War American West, maybe a.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Twelve year period. It's gonna be APIs be awesome, Everyone's
gonna love it.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
So basically, back when Beverly Hills Cop was popping, Costner's
out there trying to get Horizon made.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
This is his big thing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And now Yellowstone's gonna make an eighteen eighty three spin off,
and he's like, they'll buy that, but they won't buy mine.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
No one want it, and one.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Source says he was obsessively pursuing it, and as a result,
the Yellowstone world starts unraveling with Costner. Then it was
reported that Costner had scrounged up financing to start making
the Horizon films go. He wanted to spend no more
than one week on the Yellowstone set for the final episodes.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Okay, one for the final season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He presented Paramount with that offer and they went, we're good,
We're not gonna do that. We're going to kill off
your character spoiler.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
At his peak, he was being paid around one point
five million dollars an episode, but the show says if
he would have just stayed that, they think it would
have expanded to be eight seasons long, and that he
would have made forty five million dollars on that money
he could have used for his little pet project Horizon.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Also his divorce that he had to go through too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Boy, that's another tough deal, another tough thing. So there's
some bad blood between them. Costner had a hard time
finding horses and cows to rent during his Horizon shooting Utah.
The rumor was on the set was that most of
the livestock had already been rented by Taylor.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Sharon got his cows, He got his cow.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
I'm gonna get there and rent them cows before Costner do.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
When people coast to Costa read the original script for Horizon,
which was over one hundred and eighty pages, they urged
him to drastically cut it and revise it. The script
goes to sprawling cast of characters with storylines that all
converge on a fictional Western settlement. One source who read
it said, I couldn't get through it all. It was Bananasville.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I mean this is all ego. Yes, this is all
jump out of control. The thing that's so amazing. And
I've brought this up to you guys before. This has
happened in Hollywood before, with a guy named Michael Chamino,
that made the most expensive Western at the time. It
was so expensive it killed an entire studio. United Artists
ceased to exist. Because his ego was so big coming
(11:26):
off The Deer Hunter. Nobody could tell him anything and
he was gonna make his epic, unwatchable Western.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
What was like? It was called uh and the Ugly No.
Now I'm forgetting the name of it. I'll look it up.
Keep going.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So by spring of twenty twenty two, he'd pulled together
enough money for Horizon, and he got Luke Wilson to
jump on board Cienna Miller and to start shooting the
first and second on the four films.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
There's so many films.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
So in the spring of twenty twenty four, after that
production wrapped, he took it to the con Film Festival.
There were concerns the movie wasn't ready and needed more
time for testing, but Costner took it anyways, even though
everyone advised him not to. Yeah, Rotten Tomatoes ended up
giving it a twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Oh No, it wasn't even that good.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I'm gonna look by the way, the movie I was
some about was called Heaven's Gate, and I'm now gonna
look up it's rotten tomatoes.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And again it's okay, Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
There's four movies here, four Horizon movies, right, And my
whole thing was like, I think Costner is a great
starting quarterback in a movie. I think he can be
the number one and you could build a championship movie
around him.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
But he was looking at this with his big ego.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Here's four long movies, like over two plus hours each, right,
three hour movies, four three hour movies, and so he thought, well,
we're just setting up all these characters. This first two
and a half three hour movie is just all set up.
People don't want that. It sucks. He wasn't even in
the movie.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
For like forever the fifties.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He just thinks that people are interested in whatever he's
interested in because it's tim and if I'm interested in it,
you guys are gonna do anything I say to get
my stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I've heard people talking about it.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
We had a yeah we were playing I don't remember
which musician this was, but somebody was talking about what
performing every night to a sold out arena does to
your ego as a music performer, where you're just like
you're a god.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, how are you?
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
It's uh yeah, the SNL rider that talks like this
talking about Mick Jagger. If you're gonna do yeah, that's
exactly what was What does that do to your ego
if that's the world you live in?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
So for Kostner, I mean, he was burnt after the
ego ride he went on in the nineties. He was
on top of the world, and it just sounds like
he is delusional and still trapped in that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Oh it's not like he's got yes men around him.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
People are saying, dude, do not do this, Like he's
got no man and he is still doing it. Yes, Yes,
we're talking this Taylor Swift, a bunch of yes guys
saying whatever you do is fine.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
He has people saying, no, dude, hold on, we can
make this. We'll make it work. But hold on, dude.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's not like he hasn't been through this before. Water
World was humiliating for him. This is who the guy is.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Trying to make it right.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
This guy lived through Robin Hood, Prince of Thief. I mean,
let's talk about this guy. He's he's delusional.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So we talked a lot about the comedy festival over
in Saudi Arabia. Okay, So Costner went over to Saudi
Arabia looking to meet some rich guys. Ah. He accepted
a Lifetime Achievement award at Saudi Arabia's Joy Awards, has
a big speech. He met with the top Saudi officials
and pitched them to help finance the third and fourth
(14:39):
installments of Horizon. According to two sources, the Saudis were
open to investing a certain amount in the franchise, but
not the sum that Costner was seeking. He ultimately walked
away with nothing. Dude, they have all the money and
they will give it away. Phil Mickelson five hundred million dollars.
Feel ain't worth that at all, Like, and he was like,
(15:02):
not enough, not enough from the Saudis.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I've actually I just realized Costner is the Phil Mickelson
of actors.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Okay, I could kind of see this. Let's hear this,
you know. Yeah. But also he was in his prime.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He was never going to be the best because there
was someone else out there, in this case, Kurt Russell
that was always just one notch ahead of him, so
he could never So he was gonna end up going
and taking Saudi money.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay, So Don Johnson's playing the tiger character in ten Cup.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Okay for really get into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So he's got a lot of stuff going on, including
we've talked about this story. There was a scene he's
got to go to court because there's a hearing because
there was a female stunt performer who filed a suit
against him. A legend she was forced to perform an
unscripted scene of oh what sex?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right? Oh all right? Yeah, I remember this without proper
safety protocols.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
It's his operation because they had they usually have quote
unquote intimacy advisors and stuff during all that. But I mean, hey, no,
do this rape scene now. I'm costner. I appreciate you
guys saving this for me. And that's how we're gonna
end today's show. Don't forget tomorrow. It's a very special show.
(16:25):
Is We're gonna be out at the Rollertown Open PGA
Frisco benefiting the National Breast Cancer Foundation. I'll never forget
the time KT looked his sexual compliance officer dead in
her eye and he said, I.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Think I would say never change, you know, but also change.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, And she was really able to take that to heart. Christina,
you gonna stick around play some music.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Just for a bit. We got MAVs tonight's skin.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
MAVs pregame with Coop and De Maris, and then the
game afterwards.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Check it out all right here on the Eagle. Here
you going, Well, I'm gonna get my sock back. Dude,
I gotta take a poop.
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