December 9, 2025 • 6 mins
“If the Cowboys win out, do they really have a shot at the playoffs?” That’s the question Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray tackle in this high-energy episode of The Ben and Skin Show.The crew dives deep into the wild playoff scenarios after the Chargers stunned the Eagles in overtime, breaking down what it means for Dallas and why the next four games could define the season. You’ll hear KT’s hilarious “model talk” about the Cowboys’ 55% playoff odds, Skin’s skepticism about winning four straight, and Ben’s unforgettable reaction to the idea of an inflatable good vibes rabbit in the Eagles’ locker room.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been in skin show. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This Friday, we'll be at the Pluckers in Dallas doing
our show there from three to six, so come hang
out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Then next Wednesday, a week from tomorrow, we'll be at
the Torchies and Frisco. And then a week from this Friday,
our last remote of the year, we'll be at the
Chalk Talk Casino and Resort in Durant, Oklahoma. Coming up
here in ten minutes, Wikipedia's most read articles of twenty
twenty five. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jallous Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Surprise.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So last night the most important game of the year
for the Cowboys, even though they weren't playing in it,
and the Chargers beat the Eagles in overtime twenty two
to nineteen thanks to Cameron Dicker, the kicker who was
really just makes me think of Ben's iHeart moment at
that Pluckers. But it's now set up this way for
(01:02):
the Cowboys when you're remaining four games, and according to
my models, the Cowboys that have a fifty five percent
chance of making the playoffs, so you cause it's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So hard to win it, they only if they win
all four. They have a fifty percent chance.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
They don't technically control their own destiny, but it is
likely if you were to run the simulations for all
the games and you if I plugged in that the
Cowboys won those four games, It's likely that they could
pass the Eagles, or the Bears could fall off, or
the Lions could fall off the Panthers. I'm not so
(01:37):
much worried about just looking at who they have left,
but that is someone who.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, it sucks because the teams in front of
you have tie breakers on you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, if you have the same number of wins as
the Bears or the Lions or I think the Packers
are probably going to win that division now, but if
you have the same number of wins as the Bears
are the Lions, you are going to win because you
have one fewer Laws because of that dumb tie sitting
out there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, and I think, honestly, Cowboys fans should be pulling
for the Packers to beat the Bears in two weeks
because you needed whoever the Packers and Bears you needed
at to not be a one in one situation.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The Lions have the Rams this week, Go Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They've got the Steelers, They've got the Vikings, who we
will find out about Sunday night, and then they've got
at the Bears and what will likely be a must
win game for one of those teams. Yeah, so you
could see where the beating up on each other is
gonna happen in front of you. Meanwhile, the Cowboys have
Vikings Chargers at home. Then you got to go to
(02:36):
Washington and got to go to the Giants. Hopefully two
teams have given up at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You don't you really if you're gonna win the division.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You just assume that the Eagles lose to the Bears
and they split with the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's what the thinking is, right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
What do you mean like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, the
Eagles still need to loss.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, the Eagles play the Raiders, so we'll win, right,
they play at Washington at Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Washing Washington again, they basically need to split with the
Commanders and the lose to the Bills, and the Cowboys
went out and they get in because they're not losing
to the Raiders. Yeah, if they lose to the Raiders
this weekend, we might go ahead and throw a parade.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But I do think the wild card scenarios are alive too.
It's not just a division, it's all all there. But
you gotta win four in a row.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
God, if you win four straight, so it's home against
the Vikings, home against the Chargers, and then two road
games to end in Washington and New York. Yeah, I mean,
it's just so hard to win. I mean, even if
you're the I guess there's so much parody in the
league that any game is kind of a coin flip.
But if they went out and then still don't make
it be devastating.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Let me say this, if you one out, because that's
told you just fifty five percent. If you one out
and the Raiders upset the Eagles on Sunday, Okay, won't happen,
right right, you would jump up to an eighty two
percent chance. And the other thing too, is like, so
winning your division, you jump up to a top four seed.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
If they had one, so they they won three in
a row then lost the lines, right yep. And so
if they went out from here, they would have gone
seven and one in their last eight. Yep. If you
go seven and one in your last eight and don't
make the postseason, that would be devastating.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It would be devastating.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I think if you went out, I mean, just
listening to those scenarios, you're gonna get in one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now I told you was eighty two percent off the
Raiders ups at the Eagles. Don't worry about that game
so much. Assume the Eagles won that game. Yeah, okay,
But what I can tell you is if I ran
the sim again though, with the Eagles losing to the Bills,
like we're kind of just projecting in our head, that
still takes you up over sixty percent. So like, I
think what I'm saying is the models kind of think
the Eagles are going to lose two more games.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
The Commanders, though, I mean, this is really the whole
thing of like how much fight do you have left?
Because the Commanders were fighting like hell when they were
in that Broncos game, and then they got the overtime,
they got gutted, and and they just got alled the
next game by the Vikings, And so now you said,
(05:05):
they're going, Okay, how much fight do these guys have
left with a month of football left?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And that's what you have to hope for for Philly
that they just keep losing and then completely start freaking
out and in fighting because they've lost three straight now, right, yes,
but they've lost three consecutive games. With each game you
add to that streak, the pressure.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Mounts, and dude, think about how bad Jalen Hurts is.
And that's one thing that can divide your football team
faster than anything is a quarterback that sucks.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They all know about their locker room situation. See what
they did. Oh is this There's a giant puppy in there.
So it's an inflatable rabbit.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, they put an inflatable good Vibes rabbit in their
locker room. It's huge and it's cute, but it didn't
help as they lost last night. But that's what they're
resorted to, like, it's so bad there.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right now, I heard they're gonna bring McCarthy in the
Smash of Watermelon.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They should, that's the time to do it. It would
be a new message to them. Yep, that was huge
last night. So we're alive.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Cowboys are alive.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You're saying there's a chance, all right, we got the
Today game coming up at five thirty, but coming up next.
Wikipedia's most read articles of twenty twenty five. That's three
minutes away. Don't miss it.
It's been in skin show. Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This Friday, we'll be at the Pluckers in Dallas doing
our show there from three to six, so come hang
out with us.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Then next Wednesday, a week from tomorrow, we'll be at
the Torchies and Frisco. And then a week from this Friday,
our last remote of the year, we'll be at the
Chalk Talk Casino and Resort in Durant, Oklahoma. Coming up
here in ten minutes, Wikipedia's most read articles of twenty
twenty five. But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Jallous Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Surprise.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So last night the most important game of the year
for the Cowboys, even though they weren't playing in it,
and the Chargers beat the Eagles in overtime twenty two
to nineteen thanks to Cameron Dicker, the kicker who was
really just makes me think of Ben's iHeart moment at
that Pluckers. But it's now set up this way for
(01:02):
the Cowboys when you're remaining four games, and according to
my models, the Cowboys that have a fifty five percent
chance of making the playoffs, so you cause it's.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So hard to win it, they only if they win
all four. They have a fifty percent chance.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
They don't technically control their own destiny, but it is
likely if you were to run the simulations for all
the games and you if I plugged in that the
Cowboys won those four games, It's likely that they could
pass the Eagles, or the Bears could fall off, or
the Lions could fall off the Panthers. I'm not so
(01:37):
much worried about just looking at who they have left,
but that is someone who.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, it sucks because the teams in front of
you have tie breakers on you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, if you have the same number of wins as
the Bears or the Lions or I think the Packers
are probably going to win that division now, but if
you have the same number of wins as the Bears
are the Lions, you are going to win because you
have one fewer Laws because of that dumb tie sitting
out there.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, and I think, honestly, Cowboys fans should be pulling
for the Packers to beat the Bears in two weeks
because you needed whoever the Packers and Bears you needed
at to not be a one in one situation.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
The Lions have the Rams this week, Go Rams.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They've got the Steelers, They've got the Vikings, who we
will find out about Sunday night, and then they've got
at the Bears and what will likely be a must
win game for one of those teams. Yeah, so you
could see where the beating up on each other is
gonna happen in front of you. Meanwhile, the Cowboys have
Vikings Chargers at home. Then you got to go to
(02:36):
Washington and got to go to the Giants. Hopefully two
teams have given up at that point.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
You don't you really if you're gonna win the division.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You just assume that the Eagles lose to the Bears
and they split with the Commanders.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
That's what the thinking is, right.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
What do you mean like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, the
Eagles still need to loss.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, the Eagles play the Raiders, so we'll win, right,
they play at Washington at Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Washing Washington again, they basically need to split with the
Commanders and the lose to the Bills, and the Cowboys
went out and they get in because they're not losing
to the Raiders. Yeah, if they lose to the Raiders
this weekend, we might go ahead and throw a parade.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But I do think the wild card scenarios are alive too.
It's not just a division, it's all all there. But
you gotta win four in a row.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
God, if you win four straight, so it's home against
the Vikings, home against the Chargers, and then two road
games to end in Washington and New York. Yeah, I mean,
it's just so hard to win. I mean, even if
you're the I guess there's so much parody in the
league that any game is kind of a coin flip.
But if they went out and then still don't make
it be devastating.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Let me say this, if you one out, because that's
told you just fifty five percent. If you one out
and the Raiders upset the Eagles on Sunday, Okay, won't happen,
right right, you would jump up to an eighty two
percent chance. And the other thing too, is like, so
winning your division, you jump up to a top four seed.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
If they had one, so they they won three in
a row then lost the lines, right yep. And so
if they went out from here, they would have gone
seven and one in their last eight. Yep. If you
go seven and one in your last eight and don't
make the postseason, that would be devastating.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It would be devastating.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I think if you went out, I mean, just
listening to those scenarios, you're gonna get in one way
or the other.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now I told you was eighty two percent off the
Raiders ups at the Eagles. Don't worry about that game
so much. Assume the Eagles won that game. Yeah, okay,
But what I can tell you is if I ran
the sim again though, with the Eagles losing to the Bills,
like we're kind of just projecting in our head, that
still takes you up over sixty percent. So like, I
think what I'm saying is the models kind of think
the Eagles are going to lose two more games.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
The Commanders, though, I mean, this is really the whole
thing of like how much fight do you have left?
Because the Commanders were fighting like hell when they were
in that Broncos game, and then they got the overtime,
they got gutted, and and they just got alled the
next game by the Vikings, And so now you said,
(05:05):
they're going, Okay, how much fight do these guys have
left with a month of football left?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And that's what you have to hope for for Philly
that they just keep losing and then completely start freaking
out and in fighting because they've lost three straight now, right, yes,
but they've lost three consecutive games. With each game you
add to that streak, the pressure.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Mounts, and dude, think about how bad Jalen Hurts is.
And that's one thing that can divide your football team
faster than anything is a quarterback that sucks.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
They all know about their locker room situation. See what
they did. Oh is this There's a giant puppy in there.
So it's an inflatable rabbit.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, they put an inflatable good Vibes rabbit in their
locker room. It's huge and it's cute, but it didn't
help as they lost last night. But that's what they're
resorted to, like, it's so bad there.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right now, I heard they're gonna bring McCarthy in the
Smash of Watermelon.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They should, that's the time to do it. It would
be a new message to them. Yep, that was huge
last night. So we're alive.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Cowboys are alive.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You're saying there's a chance, all right, we got the
Today game coming up at five thirty, but coming up next.
Wikipedia's most read articles of twenty twenty five. That's three
minutes away. Don't miss it.
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