July 11, 2025 • 16 mins
“Have you ever seen someone try to dunk on the entire universe?”
That’s the question that kicks off this segment of The Ben and Skin Show, as Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray break down the jaw-dropping debut of Mavericks phenom Cooper Flagg in Summer League action.From a ferocious missed dunk attempt, to the Lakers trapping Flagg at midcourt on the first possession of a Summer League game, this episode is packed with insight, laughs, and raw basketball passion.But it’s not just about Flagg. The crew dives deep into the emergence of Ryan Nembhard, affectionately dubbed “Little Baby Brunson,” and why his poise, vision, and 40% three-point stroke might make him the Mavericks’ biggest undrafted steal in years.
That’s the question that kicks off this segment of The Ben and Skin Show, as Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray break down the jaw-dropping debut of Mavericks phenom Cooper Flagg in Summer League action.From a ferocious missed dunk attempt, to the Lakers trapping Flagg at midcourt on the first possession of a Summer League game, this episode is packed with insight, laughs, and raw basketball passion.But it’s not just about Flagg. The crew dives deep into the emergence of Ryan Nembhard, affectionately dubbed “Little Baby Brunson,” and why his poise, vision, and 40% three-point stroke might make him the Mavericks’ biggest undrafted steal in years.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Around the sports KG tweets as all the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, Cooper Flag is his name.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And we saw his first game last night in the
Summer League.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I did, I didn't watch all of it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Look, k let's just get right to it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
He didn't have a great game if you just think
like like being five of twenty one, but man, he
had some highlight plays and you know, he even set
up for the game.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Wasn't his best game and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There's lots to get into, but there was a moment
in this game where he kind of had the ball
in transition.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He kind of got roughed up at like.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Mid court, and he spun around and he went in
and he tried to dunk the ball on the universe
and it didn't go in.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But it was a great defensive play.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It was one of the most aggressive dunk attempts I've
ever seen, And like, I don't know that any Maverick
has ever gone up and tried to dunk on someone's
so like that. I mean, Finley was a ferocious dunker.
Tony Dumas was a good dunk. It was kind of
a bigger Tony Doomon with this a big, big man
who tried to dunk on the universe.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Dude, it was insane. What even though it didn't go in,
I loved the highlights.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, he's a phenomenal athlete. I mean a phenomenal athlete
and that was on full display there.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Shout out to the Lakers for just being like, MAVs,
what do you need us to do to help you?
You want us to trap him in mid court in
a summer league game?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, thank you Lakers for making this about what the
Mavericks need to get out of summer League.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That was awful.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Nice of him for them to like flood a guy
on the vision.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They owe us that.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, I guess. So, Hey, we.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Got a point guard on the floor, but we're going
to run the offense through our four. We've told the
world we're gonna do that. So we need you to
flood him, attack him, make him pick up his dribble,
and do it while a team's not running an offense. Uh,
thank you Lakers. What are you saying here? What is
all the shenanigans you're bringing here? Well, it's great, Like
(02:05):
Jason Kidd had a plan for what Cooper Flag needed
to get out a Summer League, and the Lakers completely
obliged by I mean, he got trapped at mid court
on the first possession of a Summer league game.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Have you ever seen a trap in a summer league game?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Have I ever watched the Summer League?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I've never even watched the summer basketball game. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like, in other words, the Lakers were very keen on
trying to stop Cooper Flag, and so they presented challenges
that were beneficial for his experience. Jason Kidds sat up
there at the press conference when we introduced Cooper Flag
and said, we want to put him in uncomfortable positions
immediately to accelerate his growth. So the Lakers trapped him
(02:44):
at mid court to start a Summer league game.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's such a bad combination because the basketball is bad.
And then they put Don Jones there to broadcast it
as well, and I didn't like joining that, Mark Jones,
I'm with you. I didn't enjoy that too much. So
it was hard to watch the whole thing. So I
did not watch this second half. Yeah, but you KNOWLEX
got to see him running. I just didn't want him
to get hurt. There was a couple of times I
didn't notice where I think, like the physicality is going
(03:09):
to be something to watch early, like I think he'll
get used to him, like so you block out attempts
and he kind.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Of got do you know do you know who that
was defending him?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, Bronnie, Uh well he was about when.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Bronnie was founding him.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Bronny got switched off to him late in the game,
but early in the game he.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Was defended by Darius Blaizely.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That is a guy that went instead of going to college,
he went to the G League. He was the first
guy to do it. And I don't know if you
guys remember he had interned for a sneaker company.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I can't remember if it was, you know, Rebocker.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So, in other words, instead of going to college, he
went straight out of high school, started earning money, went
to the G League. He was in the Thunder organization.
And so he's I'm guessing that he's twenty four, twenty five.
I'm not sure his age, but he's a grown man,
and he's very physical, and he's very long, and he's
very athletic. And he attacked him that he picked up
(04:03):
two fouls at mid court in the second quarter, trying
to defend him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's that's what I want out of this for Cooper Flag.
I want physical challenges. I mean, do you realize how
hard it is?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
One of the things that Tim Legler was great. He's good,
He's really good, and he made some amazing observations. And
I was watching this and I'm watching Cooper Flag and
he's at the top of the key with a live
dribble and there's not a person on the floor for
the Dallas Mavericks that's moving.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And then there's a guy that like, what are you
telling a.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Guy to do?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You're telling a guy, okay, go one on five now, Like,
we're not moving, we're not running sets. This guy came
over and set a screen.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I didn't know the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He apparently used to be in the Lakers organization and
didn't know what spot of the floor to go to
after his screen. Like this is why summer league basketball
is bad. So it puts Cooper Flag in a very
unique position to try to figure out how do I
make the most of this. They want me to run
an offense and the situation is not conducive to that,
(05:10):
so where immediately he's got all these things that he's
got to figure out. And if you one of the
things is as the game went on, he looked exhausted
to me. And that shot he took with nine seconds
to go, that was an airball fading after doing all
that dribbling, he was tired. He probably played ten minutes
more than he should have to start with, and he
(05:30):
took on all that burden. And so when I look
at his shot selection and I look at some of
the things that I just look at a guy that
was tired, that was put in a role that was
very difficult to succeed in. However, he made, to your point, Ben,
huge plays that showed his athleticism and his overall ability
and made him at key times in the game right he.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I can't believe he's ours. I cannot believe he's ours.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And it was great that Kyrie was there and some
of his other teammates were there, you know, right on
the front row. I thought that was powerful, big gesture
by them. I think he showed extreme composure for a
guy who's like twelve years old to be out there
and play with the swagger that he plays with and Yeah,
the vibe he was undaunted from, you know, unencumbered by
the stakes or whatever. It's obviously it's a low stakes,
(06:18):
but like, hey, it's the most expensive Summer League ticket ever. Yeah,
and he tried to put on a show and whatnot.
But dude, the person I'm very excited about and you
told me I would be, And that's Ryan Nebhard.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nim Nim. Can you help me with the.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Christina said yesterday, it's kind of like them Hard Yeah,
nev Hard.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's a little baby Brunson.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah. Man, I really like him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And one of the things I got excited about, and
I hadn't considered it, is, you know, a guy who
kind of burst onto the scene for the NBA last
year and was really good with Scottie Pippen junior. And
there wasn't a lot of expected to him, expected of him,
but he got these opportunities in Memphis on a good
team because of injuries and different things, and he started
(07:05):
a lot of games last year and was actually very
effective for them as a starter in the NBA, an
untouted guy, no one expected anything, but he's got the
right jeams right.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, if you've watched.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The Pacers play You've seen Ryan, Nemhard's older brother play
really really well for a team that went to the finals,
and nim Hard should have been drafted.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He wasn't drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The Mavericks were trying to trade up in the second
round get a second round.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Pick to draft him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They failed, and then they were able to sign him
to a two way contract. Immediately, if you watch Cooper
Flagg handle the ball in that game and then you
watch nim Hard handle the ball in that game, that
is the difference in a point guard and a guy
that's just you know, trying to be a facilitator. Like
(07:56):
one guy is a point guard and has been a
point guard his whole life, pushed tempo and created spots
and did things because it's germane to what he does
and how he's played basketball his whole life. Cooper Flag
is figuring it out. And the times when Nemhard was
running the offense first Cooper Flag running the offense was
night and day. Now, I don't want to expect too
(08:17):
much of him, but I think, like some of the
stuff Brandon Williams gave you last year, and Brandon Williams
will be back.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think because of the.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People that Nemhard's going to be on the floor with
I think if they gave him seven minutes in the
third quarter of a random game, I think he would deliver. Dude,
I love him. And it's the guy who led the
nation and assists. Yeah, and as a forty three point shooter.
So and he you know, he's just tiny. He a
little bitty, but he's five to eleven. But he's a
(08:46):
good defender for his size. But that's a guy. If
you can lead the nation and assists and hit forty
percent and play good defense. Granted, you're gonna get posted
up if you're stuck on a big dude, but you
can find a place for that, especially while and to
get him undrafted, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Coming up next, we are going to carry the sports over.
We have some ranger stuff. One more Cooper flag note.
All of that is coming up right here on the
Ben and Skin Show. Ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Ninety seven point one The Eagle. We are out here
at the Chalk Talk Casino and Resort in Durant, Oklahoma
doing the show.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Will be here till six.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
If you're on your way, come by and say Hi,
we're at the District Hall, all right, Ben Tizzl. We
were just talking about Cooper Flag's debut as the Dallas
Maverick in Summer League yesterday. A couple of quick nuggets
before we move on. He will probably only play one
more game. Now, that's based on what's always happened with
(09:42):
number one number two picks.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
If you want to see him.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They play tomorrow at three o'clock and it's against the Spurs.
That means Dylan Harper, Ron Harper's kid, the number two
pick and the draft will be in that game. So
again high profile matchup, right, Probably not as I mean again,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Kids of ballplayers.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Brownie in game one and then Ron Harper's kid in
game two.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
One more nugget.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know, he shot the ball poorly and a lot
of those shots he didn't really get his legs in
his shot, and you know there was a lot asked
of him. And they were talking last night about, hey,
it's a further three pointer.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's a little bit back.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But man Tim Legler was talking about the release off
of the ball and what happens with his wrist. Tim
Legler was if you don't know, Tim Legler was briefly
a Maverick. Yeah, and he was in the league because
he shot the mess out of the ball. So hearing
him break down Cooper Flag's mechanics, I thought was really
insightful and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Really really good what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
He said that he didn't think he had a chance
to be a good three point shooter this year because
what it will take to do that will be an
off season of mechanic changing. Oh, a slight mechanic adjustment,
which that's you know, and that's why there's a lot
of I give you an example, Dorian Finney Smith is
(11:02):
a pretty good three point shooter now now now he
doesn't shoot off the dribble, but he catch and shoot.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was atrocious when.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He got here, and that's because he didn't have the
mechanics for it, and the Mavericks meticulously worked with him
on his mechanics to turn him into a good shooter.
I don't have any worries that Cooper Flag, excuse me,
will eventually be a good shooter from outside, a good
three point shooter. I just think it's probably unlikely to
(11:30):
expect him to hit higher than thirty three, thirty four
percent this year. I think it'll be an adjustment period
for him, and I think he'll probably end up spending
all of next offseason working on his shot mechanics and
then come back in year two and be like a
thirty seven thirty eight percent shooter and that'll gradually keep
going up.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
How much do you expect to see him bringing the
ball up?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Does it depending on if he has success doing it
here in these early tests. I think it'll be a lot.
But I think, you know, I mean, it's the same
thing like on the reasons the MAVs got Kyrie to
put with Luca. You know, if Luca's bringing the ball
up every single time, right flood and get the ball
out of his hands, and so that's why they probably
I mean, I don't know this, but I suspect the
Mavericks would have rather had Chris Ball than.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
D Low, but I could be wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I know Nico has some associations with him, and apparently
Anthony Davis really likes him quite a bit of some
stuff that I've read, So maybe that had more to
do than anything. But if you have it's better to
have him be a playmaker after getting the ball after
an initial action or on the weak side as opposed
(12:37):
to bringing it up. Now, that's different than transition, you know,
the way nase you know. I mean, I fully see
Cooper Flagg being that day one, the same thing they
do with nause And in my pecking order, I would
much rather have Cooper Flagg bring it up than PJ.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Washington Junior bring it up.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But Legler made note of this. He's like his ball
controls fantastic. He's got control of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
He knows what he's.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Wanting to do with it, and so that's that's a
Germane part of his being as a player.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We should control of my balls. Yeah, they're hard for him.
You never know, man, they're bouncing all over the damn place.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Never know.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But I thought it was I thought it was a
nice little initial showing.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And there's just so much to be excited about with
that player.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Man. Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I've got a couple quick sports notes. I just want
to give a big shout out to the Rangers for
coming through after we gave them a good tongue lashing yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We find nothing in the fourth.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Shoot some ass yesterday and they went and destroyed and
getting them all set for three games in Houston. Right
before the All Star break because Sunday is the MLB Draft,
have like twelve pick or something. But the Angels suck
because they're the only team in the league that doesn't
allow getaway games. So the Rangers after the after the
game last night, had to get on a plane and
(13:53):
fly home. Every other team plays an afternoon game so
their teams can go and be rested. Yeah, the Angels
don't on the West Coast and none of the other
owners like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But Artie Morino is just like, no, I'm not doing
it right, So I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Gonna hurt his ticket sales to have a noon game
as opposed to yeah, uh man, I think that it's
the reality is the Rangers are all big listeners of
our show, and we got on him pretty good yesterday,
and you know, they like to lift weights and get
stretched out and you know, do yoga while.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They listened to some rock and talk.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's they listened and responded, and you know, for them
to tune in on the iHeart app because they're in California,
speaks volumes about how good our show is.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We do know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Thank you, Joe I got a power power phase and
Corey Sieger shout out to Bochi for pushing all the
buttons as after I was trying to get him canned yesterday. Lastly,
Nausea Harris used to play for the Steelers. He's a
running back for the Chargers. Now he'll be their their
back up probably he's.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
My favorite backup running back in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
We don't know this, it's not gonna but it's possible
that he lost an eye oh on July fourth and
a fireworks accident.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
They do were injured.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They do expect him to be back for training camp
us all. That's what they're having to say now. It's
being referred to as a superficial eye injury.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's what they're calling it. But initial reports and rumors
were that he might have lost his eye. Wow God,
but nothing confirmed. The details obviously being kept under wraps
right now. Yeah, that's worse than the JPP losing a finger.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't know, Uh, he lost a couple fingers, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean he had a lobster claw, yeah, and I
think chicks dig the eye patch.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, so there's that.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean, snake Plisken had no problem picking up chicks.
A rich A rich guy who's in great shape. Rocking
a mysterious eye patch. I mean, okay, you tell they
I'm wrong, but I think chicks really are into that. Okay,
but hold on, everybody, look at that Dallas Maverick logo
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, now cover your right eye. Look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, now cover your left eye. See how it jumps. Yeah,
he's gonna have.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
A hard time figure out where the hole.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Is, right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, he already has that problem too.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So is that why he's a back?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, he's not very good. Like that's another big problem
with him. But yeah, there's your fourth of July up.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There's good, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
There's Gravin Turner with some news some sports coming up next.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Let's turn our attention to movie news.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The top superhero movies ever a list has been released.
It demands our attention. Who for you as you listen
right now, who is the number one superhero of all
the time. By the way, to hear that new Marvel
is nuts. So I already get out there and watch
that movie news coming up next right here on the
Eagle
Around the sports KG tweets as all the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, Cooper Flag is his name.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
And we saw his first game last night in the
Summer League.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I did, I didn't watch all of it.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Look, k let's just get right to it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
He didn't have a great game if you just think
like like being five of twenty one, but man, he
had some highlight plays and you know, he even set
up for the game.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Wasn't his best game and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
There's lots to get into, but there was a moment
in this game where he kind of had the ball
in transition.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He kind of got roughed up at like.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Mid court, and he spun around and he went in
and he tried to dunk the ball on the universe
and it didn't go in.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
But it was a great defensive play.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It was one of the most aggressive dunk attempts I've
ever seen, And like, I don't know that any Maverick
has ever gone up and tried to dunk on someone's
so like that. I mean, Finley was a ferocious dunker.
Tony Dumas was a good dunk. It was kind of
a bigger Tony Doomon with this a big, big man
who tried to dunk on the universe.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Dude, it was insane. What even though it didn't go in,
I loved the highlights.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, he's a phenomenal athlete. I mean a phenomenal athlete
and that was on full display there.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Shout out to the Lakers for just being like, MAVs,
what do you need us to do to help you?
You want us to trap him in mid court in
a summer league game?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, thank you Lakers for making this about what the
Mavericks need to get out of summer League.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That was awful.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Nice of him for them to like flood a guy
on the vision.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They owe us that.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, I guess. So, Hey, we.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Got a point guard on the floor, but we're going
to run the offense through our four. We've told the
world we're gonna do that. So we need you to
flood him, attack him, make him pick up his dribble,
and do it while a team's not running an offense. Uh,
thank you Lakers. What are you saying here? What is
all the shenanigans you're bringing here? Well, it's great, Like
(02:05):
Jason Kidd had a plan for what Cooper Flag needed
to get out a Summer League, and the Lakers completely
obliged by I mean, he got trapped at mid court
on the first possession of a Summer league game.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Have you ever seen a trap in a summer league game?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Have I ever watched the Summer League?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I've never even watched the summer basketball game. Yeah, that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Like, in other words, the Lakers were very keen on
trying to stop Cooper Flag, and so they presented challenges
that were beneficial for his experience. Jason Kidds sat up
there at the press conference when we introduced Cooper Flag
and said, we want to put him in uncomfortable positions
immediately to accelerate his growth. So the Lakers trapped him
(02:44):
at mid court to start a Summer league game.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
It was awesome.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
It's such a bad combination because the basketball is bad.
And then they put Don Jones there to broadcast it
as well, and I didn't like joining that, Mark Jones,
I'm with you. I didn't enjoy that too much. So
it was hard to watch the whole thing. So I
did not watch this second half. Yeah, but you KNOWLEX
got to see him running. I just didn't want him
to get hurt. There was a couple of times I
didn't notice where I think, like the physicality is going
(03:09):
to be something to watch early, like I think he'll
get used to him, like so you block out attempts
and he kind.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Of got do you know do you know who that
was defending him?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
No, Bronnie, Uh well he was about when.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Bronnie was founding him.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Bronny got switched off to him late in the game,
but early in the game he.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Was defended by Darius Blaizely.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That is a guy that went instead of going to college,
he went to the G League. He was the first
guy to do it. And I don't know if you
guys remember he had interned for a sneaker company.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I can't remember if it was, you know, Rebocker.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
So, in other words, instead of going to college, he
went straight out of high school, started earning money, went
to the G League. He was in the Thunder organization.
And so he's I'm guessing that he's twenty four, twenty five.
I'm not sure his age, but he's a grown man,
and he's very physical, and he's very long, and he's
very athletic. And he attacked him that he picked up
(04:03):
two fouls at mid court in the second quarter, trying
to defend him.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
So that was good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's that's what I want out of this for Cooper Flag.
I want physical challenges. I mean, do you realize how
hard it is?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
One of the things that Tim Legler was great. He's good,
He's really good, and he made some amazing observations. And
I was watching this and I'm watching Cooper Flag and
he's at the top of the key with a live
dribble and there's not a person on the floor for
the Dallas Mavericks that's moving.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
And then there's a guy that like, what are you
telling a.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Guy to do?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You're telling a guy, okay, go one on five now, Like,
we're not moving, we're not running sets. This guy came
over and set a screen.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I didn't know the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He apparently used to be in the Lakers organization and
didn't know what spot of the floor to go to
after his screen. Like this is why summer league basketball
is bad. So it puts Cooper Flag in a very
unique position to try to figure out how do I
make the most of this. They want me to run
an offense and the situation is not conducive to that,
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so where immediately he's got all these things that he's
got to figure out. And if you one of the
things is as the game went on, he looked exhausted
to me. And that shot he took with nine seconds
to go, that was an airball fading after doing all
that dribbling, he was tired. He probably played ten minutes
more than he should have to start with, and he
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took on all that burden. And so when I look
at his shot selection and I look at some of
the things that I just look at a guy that
was tired, that was put in a role that was
very difficult to succeed in. However, he made, to your point, Ben,
huge plays that showed his athleticism and his overall ability
and made him at key times in the game right he.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I can't believe he's ours. I cannot believe he's ours.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And it was great that Kyrie was there and some
of his other teammates were there, you know, right on
the front row. I thought that was powerful, big gesture
by them. I think he showed extreme composure for a
guy who's like twelve years old to be out there
and play with the swagger that he plays with and Yeah,
the vibe he was undaunted from, you know, unencumbered by
the stakes or whatever. It's obviously it's a low stakes,
(06:18):
but like, hey, it's the most expensive Summer League ticket ever. Yeah,
and he tried to put on a show and whatnot.
But dude, the person I'm very excited about and you
told me I would be, And that's Ryan Nebhard.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Nim Nim. Can you help me with the.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Christina said yesterday, it's kind of like them Hard Yeah,
nev Hard.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's a little baby Brunson.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah. Man, I really like him.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And one of the things I got excited about, and
I hadn't considered it, is, you know, a guy who
kind of burst onto the scene for the NBA last
year and was really good with Scottie Pippen junior. And
there wasn't a lot of expected to him, expected of him,
but he got these opportunities in Memphis on a good
team because of injuries and different things, and he started
(07:05):
a lot of games last year and was actually very
effective for them as a starter in the NBA, an
untouted guy, no one expected anything, but he's got the
right jeams right.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Well, if you've watched.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
The Pacers play You've seen Ryan, Nemhard's older brother play
really really well for a team that went to the finals,
and nim Hard should have been drafted.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
He wasn't drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
The Mavericks were trying to trade up in the second
round get a second round.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Pick to draft him.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They failed, and then they were able to sign him
to a two way contract. Immediately, if you watch Cooper
Flagg handle the ball in that game and then you
watch nim Hard handle the ball in that game, that
is the difference in a point guard and a guy
that's just you know, trying to be a facilitator. Like
(07:56):
one guy is a point guard and has been a
point guard his whole life, pushed tempo and created spots
and did things because it's germane to what he does
and how he's played basketball his whole life. Cooper Flag
is figuring it out. And the times when Nemhard was
running the offense first Cooper Flag running the offense was
night and day. Now, I don't want to expect too
(08:17):
much of him, but I think, like some of the
stuff Brandon Williams gave you last year, and Brandon Williams
will be back.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think because of the.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People that Nemhard's going to be on the floor with
I think if they gave him seven minutes in the
third quarter of a random game, I think he would deliver. Dude,
I love him. And it's the guy who led the
nation and assists. Yeah, and as a forty three point shooter.
So and he you know, he's just tiny. He a
little bitty, but he's five to eleven. But he's a
(08:46):
good defender for his size. But that's a guy. If
you can lead the nation and assists and hit forty
percent and play good defense. Granted, you're gonna get posted
up if you're stuck on a big dude, but you
can find a place for that, especially while and to
get him undrafted, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, let's do this.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Coming up next, we are going to carry the sports over.
We have some ranger stuff. One more Cooper flag note.
All of that is coming up right here on the
Ben and Skin Show. Ninety seven point one The Eagle.
Ninety seven point one The Eagle. We are out here
at the Chalk Talk Casino and Resort in Durant, Oklahoma
doing the show.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Will be here till six.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
If you're on your way, come by and say Hi,
we're at the District Hall, all right, Ben Tizzl. We
were just talking about Cooper Flag's debut as the Dallas
Maverick in Summer League yesterday. A couple of quick nuggets
before we move on. He will probably only play one
more game. Now, that's based on what's always happened with
(09:42):
number one number two picks.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
If you want to see him.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They play tomorrow at three o'clock and it's against the Spurs.
That means Dylan Harper, Ron Harper's kid, the number two
pick and the draft will be in that game. So
again high profile matchup, right, Probably not as I mean again,
it's like.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Kids of ballplayers.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Brownie in game one and then Ron Harper's kid in
game two.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
One more nugget.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You know, he shot the ball poorly and a lot
of those shots he didn't really get his legs in
his shot, and you know there was a lot asked
of him. And they were talking last night about, hey,
it's a further three pointer.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
It's a little bit back.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
But man Tim Legler was talking about the release off
of the ball and what happens with his wrist. Tim
Legler was if you don't know, Tim Legler was briefly
a Maverick. Yeah, and he was in the league because
he shot the mess out of the ball. So hearing
him break down Cooper Flag's mechanics, I thought was really
insightful and.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Really really good what he's saying.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
He said that he didn't think he had a chance
to be a good three point shooter this year because
what it will take to do that will be an
off season of mechanic changing. Oh, a slight mechanic adjustment,
which that's you know, and that's why there's a lot
of I give you an example, Dorian Finney Smith is
(11:02):
a pretty good three point shooter now now now he
doesn't shoot off the dribble, but he catch and shoot.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
He was atrocious when.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
He got here, and that's because he didn't have the
mechanics for it, and the Mavericks meticulously worked with him
on his mechanics to turn him into a good shooter.
I don't have any worries that Cooper Flag, excuse me,
will eventually be a good shooter from outside, a good
three point shooter. I just think it's probably unlikely to
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expect him to hit higher than thirty three, thirty four
percent this year. I think it'll be an adjustment period
for him, and I think he'll probably end up spending
all of next offseason working on his shot mechanics and
then come back in year two and be like a
thirty seven thirty eight percent shooter and that'll gradually keep
going up.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
How much do you expect to see him bringing the
ball up?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Does it depending on if he has success doing it
here in these early tests. I think it'll be a lot.
But I think, you know, I mean, it's the same
thing like on the reasons the MAVs got Kyrie to
put with Luca. You know, if Luca's bringing the ball
up every single time, right flood and get the ball
out of his hands, and so that's why they probably
I mean, I don't know this, but I suspect the
Mavericks would have rather had Chris Ball than.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
D Low, but I could be wrong on that.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
I know Nico has some associations with him, and apparently
Anthony Davis really likes him quite a bit of some
stuff that I've read, So maybe that had more to
do than anything. But if you have it's better to
have him be a playmaker after getting the ball after
an initial action or on the weak side as opposed
(12:37):
to bringing it up. Now, that's different than transition, you know,
the way nase you know. I mean, I fully see
Cooper Flagg being that day one, the same thing they
do with nause And in my pecking order, I would
much rather have Cooper Flagg bring it up than PJ.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Washington Junior bring it up.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
But Legler made note of this. He's like his ball
controls fantastic. He's got control of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
He knows what he's.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Wanting to do with it, and so that's that's a
Germane part of his being as a player.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We should control of my balls. Yeah, they're hard for him.
You never know, man, they're bouncing all over the damn place.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Never know.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
But I thought it was I thought it was a
nice little initial showing.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
And there's just so much to be excited about with
that player.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Man. Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
I've got a couple quick sports notes. I just want
to give a big shout out to the Rangers for
coming through after we gave them a good tongue lashing yesterday.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
We find nothing in the fourth.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Shoot some ass yesterday and they went and destroyed and
getting them all set for three games in Houston. Right
before the All Star break because Sunday is the MLB Draft,
have like twelve pick or something. But the Angels suck
because they're the only team in the league that doesn't
allow getaway games. So the Rangers after the after the
game last night, had to get on a plane and
(13:53):
fly home. Every other team plays an afternoon game so
their teams can go and be rested. Yeah, the Angels
don't on the West Coast and none of the other
owners like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
But Artie Morino is just like, no, I'm not doing
it right, So I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Gonna hurt his ticket sales to have a noon game
as opposed to yeah, uh man, I think that it's
the reality is the Rangers are all big listeners of
our show, and we got on him pretty good yesterday,
and you know, they like to lift weights and get
stretched out and you know, do yoga while.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
They listened to some rock and talk.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's they listened and responded, and you know, for them
to tune in on the iHeart app because they're in California,
speaks volumes about how good our show is.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We do know.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Thank you, Joe I got a power power phase and
Corey Sieger shout out to Bochi for pushing all the
buttons as after I was trying to get him canned yesterday. Lastly,
Nausea Harris used to play for the Steelers. He's a
running back for the Chargers. Now he'll be their their
back up probably he's.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
My favorite backup running back in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
We don't know this, it's not gonna but it's possible
that he lost an eye oh on July fourth and
a fireworks accident.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
They do were injured.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
They do expect him to be back for training camp
us all. That's what they're having to say now. It's
being referred to as a superficial eye injury.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
That's what they're calling it. But initial reports and rumors
were that he might have lost his eye. Wow God,
but nothing confirmed. The details obviously being kept under wraps
right now. Yeah, that's worse than the JPP losing a finger.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't know, Uh, he lost a couple fingers, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I mean he had a lobster claw, yeah, and I
think chicks dig the eye patch.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, so there's that.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean, snake Plisken had no problem picking up chicks.
A rich A rich guy who's in great shape. Rocking
a mysterious eye patch. I mean, okay, you tell they
I'm wrong, but I think chicks really are into that. Okay,
but hold on, everybody, look at that Dallas Maverick logo
right there.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, now cover your right eye. Look at it.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, now cover your left eye. See how it jumps. Yeah,
he's gonna have.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
A hard time figure out where the hole.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Is, right.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, he already has that problem too.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So is that why he's a back?
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, he's not very good. Like that's another big problem
with him. But yeah, there's your fourth of July up.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
There's good, all right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
There's Gravin Turner with some news some sports coming up next.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Let's turn our attention to movie news.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The top superhero movies ever a list has been released.
It demands our attention. Who for you as you listen
right now, who is the number one superhero of all
the time. By the way, to hear that new Marvel
is nuts. So I already get out there and watch
that movie news coming up next right here on the
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