August 20, 2025 • 28 mins
We break down the 2nd episode of the 8 part series on Netflix called America's Team: The Gambler and his Cowboys.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cowboy Surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Netflix dropped the eight piece documentary series called The Gambler
and His Cowboys about the Cowboys and stuff. We talked
about episode one yesterday, which was great. Episode two is
called ake Mania about Troy Aikman, and they had a
big teaser leading up episode two. But they started a
little bit of this episode off talking about herschel Walker,
(00:39):
who was the running back for the Cowboys at the time.
It was a very good player.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Even though we had just drafted Troy Aikman. We knew
heading into the nineteen eighty nine season that herschel Walker
was the marquis player of the Dallas Cowboys and the
Dallas market.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Wow, it's herschel Walker.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I would say that people would rather watch that game
than any NFL game that you can think of.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I started writing poetry as a matter of fact, in
high school because I read a Sports Illustrated article on
herschel and he wrote poetry. Remember any of the pots
they weren't They weren't great. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Was one of them called Oklahoma Knights.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Who is man? I was? I was?
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I went and looked at this after watching that and
the numbers he put up in nineteen eighty eight, fifteen
hundred yards for the Cowboys, rushing one and fourteen yards
on a terrible team, rushing.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No offensive line.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Dude, Oh, their offensive line was done nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They talked about how that season though, because they got Troy.
This is eighty nine, I guess, and I had a
tough start arm opening game.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I'm thinking, we just got the number one pick in
the draft in Foy Aikman, and we have.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
The best running back in the league.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
May have this NFL figured out right as we come
through the door, or this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm gonna have the greatest time of my life.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That was our time.
Speaker 8 (02:09):
Wow, that's a big welcome to the NFL for Trey.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The first game, I looked for the players and I said,
you know, I didn't come here to lose.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I said, you know this, stop right here.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
And he said, we're done losing around here. And of
course we weren't. We lost the next seven in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That was so funny. They oh cocky they were. They
were so excited they didn't get into it.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
And you know, my memory may be fuzzy now, but
if I remember correctly, they won their very first preseason
game their first year and Jimmy ran out onto the
field and was like, you know, bringing that college energy,
and everyone's looking around going what.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, man, definitely go down like this. It's crazy, That's
what It's funny. Like, I'm sure we'll get into it later.
Speaker 9 (02:52):
A certain other player comes back and he's all hype
like him, like Jimmy because he's used to that, and
everyone else is like, dude, chill man, play cool.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
They totally zip past the Steve Walsh thing. Yes, they
didn't even cover it. No, I mean they like to me.
I think Troy is a super sympathetic character in all
of this because you're, like, man, he seemed he had
a tough childhood. His dad sounded really tough on him.
He was basically an adult at six years old and
all that, and it was never really that fair for him,
(03:20):
Like they were never really that fair. And the fact
that he had to fight for his job because it
was the nineteen eighty nine the little draft they drafted
Steve Walsh and had a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
When they already had the number one pick quarterback. Did
you know about this? Kt? I knew about it, like
in just like over the years, but nothing specific.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
So Walsh was Jimmy's quarterback at Miami Miami, so Jimmy
was partial to Walsh, and so they didn't I mean
they I know that it's a documentary and you have
to edit certain things out, but the way that they
presented the Steve burline, we'll get to it, the Steve
Burline controversy was this was the quarterback controversy. Man, the
quarterback controversy had kind of been settled. Ben's talking about
(04:01):
in the early days, because it's different.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
When you're one in fifteen.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
You know, there's a lot more chatter and people are
not rational about how good the team is. But Jimmy
made you know, that tension they allude to between Jimmy
and Troy that was set up with the with the
wall stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's interesting they left that out because that, to me
was the key takeaway of episode two, is Jimmy and
Troy's relationship. Yeah, we'll get to all that, you know,
later in this hour, but when we come back, I
think we need to talk about what happened with the
trade and then Jerry's health issues that were happening at
the time as well.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Hell yeah, all right, awesome, we keep this party going,
and we'll do that in just over three minutes.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
We're talking about the new Netflix docu series The Gambler
and His Cowboys. It's an eight party. Yesterday we hit
up part one. Today we're on episode two and Kati
has more audio.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, so we talked about how they're not very good
and they're losing games. I believe they started to eight
in nineteen eighty nine. And here's the glory of the
trade of Herschelwalker.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
This is why you.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Don't buy here, Todd Lander. We're dealing with a couple
of old country bumpkins.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
So devastating Walks for the Californy save gone from America's team.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
To the worst team that season was just terrible. A
radio friend of mine says, the Dallas Cowboys have just.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Traded the Rolls Royce for five.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Hersel Walker to Minnesota for five players.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
The great Herschel Walker for these guys.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No one had ever even heard of these guys.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Dallas Cowboys may have been.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Had and to sweetened the deal, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones
painted additional two million dollars for Walker to wave his
no trade class.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We're the worst team of the league and we just
traded our best player for five nobody. I don't think
the Cowboys will ever be the same till the JJS
go back to Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Thanks Tim Harris, Gus Cowboys are no good. It's gonna
come back to haunt the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
My favorite part of this whole thing so far is
just fans dogging them.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
Yeah, because it sounds like the loop good trade we
just went through.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Does it really does?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Let me just say, by the way, I Colt was good, dude.
I Colt was the one guy those five that could play.
He actually had I believe he had two blocked punts,
and they cut him to they cut him all to
get those picks.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
So so they do you are you gonna play the
other audio?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, okay, keep going. Yeah. So well, this is where
Jerry's like talking about the fallout from that trade, wherever
he's getting killed because they traded the best player in the.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Market that wasn't getting my ass kicked every day, everyone saying,
should take your ass back to Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Who in the hell does.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
He think he is?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The devil has plunged to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In the form of Jerry L. Well, if I'm being honest,
having only one win in my first year in the
NFL wasn't even my biggest problem. We were losing a
million dollars a month cash flow, couldn't pay the bills,
and there was a great risk that I would lose
the team.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Do I drink a little bit to get to go
to sleep.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Then all of a sudden two or three o'clock in
the morning, earned that first cricket, My eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Would be open. I'd be up for the day.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
When I lived a entire vallet ranch headquarters twenty four
hours a day, during that I developed heart arrhythmia. It's
when you never sleep and the hard starts beating faster.
But thank god I had Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh my god, thank god. Did he talk more? Did
you get into the trade anymore? Yeah? That's actuid the
next one, I thank you to catch up. Here's the
wrinkle from the herschel Walker trade. I think this clip
starts though, with Jimmy being a total insular person.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Can we say one thing about his health before we
play this? Yeah, it has always been astonishing to me
that Jerry cranks like he does in his eighties, having drank.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
As much whiskey as he has.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
No doubt it makes me think that there's medicinal properties
and whiskey we should be exploring.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, he's had a new drug, a rare drug saved
him from the cancer he was talking about. Yeah, I
think this clip starts with talking about Jimmy Johnson just
basically all he cares about the school. He sounds like
a nerd to hang out with in this clip.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
But ultimately we were optimistic because we had an ace
up our sleeve. Now. The thing people didn't realize about
the Herschel trade there was actually a catch. If we
cut five players, then Minnesota would have to give us.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Five picks, one for every player.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Mike Clan who was the general manager, conjured up this
idea that since we were losing so many games, he
thought we would fall in love with the player and
want to take the player rather than the picks.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I called my clan up.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I said, Mike, we're going to release the players, and
he said, I don't believe you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We did it, and we got the picks.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Football trades have changed over time. That was incredible.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
The thing I couldn't remember, like in my mind, I'd
always thought that was the diabolical plan that they just
wanted the picks. They didn't want the players, but the
way that the docuseriies painted it out was that it
kind of developed and they were like, you know what,
what if we just go ahead and cut the players?
Do you think that was their plan the whole time?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
So I didn't go back and look then, But in
my mind I thought they got players and picks. I
didn't remember that wrinkle at all. Yeah, so no, I
think they probably wanted those picks.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Were they shrewd enough to trick them into giving players
that they would automatically cut and like that, that's that
would have been pretty shrewd if they just fleeced Minnesota,
and Minnesota's like, oh, they'll never cut these players, and
all along they planned on doing it and getting the picks.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Yeah, strange deal, a huge deal to rebuild the Cowboys, And.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
The details are so vague on there that it's hard
to even know that this is what got them though.
Emmet Russell, Maryland Pup and Darren will Woodson.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I thought they got Pup out of there. Kevin Smith, Oh,
Kevin Smith, Okay, yeah maybe yeah, And you know they
had because they also had their pick, like I think
Russell Marrier Russell Maryland was their pick. Yeah, because that
Russell Maryland is top three pick, wasn't he see number
one was there for sure?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah? And by the way of all those guys, he
was just a guy. He was good.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
He was good.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
He was incredible in college though, an incredibly disruptive player.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So you know, that's uh, that's kind of everything that's
happened with the trade. Now you move on to that season.
Obviously they also is game. The next season, they're doing
well and then Troy gets hurt and then they bring
in Steve Berline, who's done comedy recently at a comedy club.
Steve Berline as who Jimmy picks. We'll get into that,
(10:39):
how Troy felt about that, and how that season ended up. Nick.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Thank you for tuning in today and every day. We
are rolling through a recap of episode two of America's
Team The Gambler and his Cowboys, the new Netflix docu series,
and with more on that.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's kat So where we left you off. The Cowboys
had had the tough y'ur at eighty nine and the nine.
He began winning some games a little bit, and then
there were six and five. They beat Washington in the
middle of the year. Things are looking well. Troy gets hurt, though,
Troy aightman the future gets hurt. What are you gonna do?
He's got to miss three or four games? What's time
to go to the playoffs? Troy thinks he's gonna play,
(11:16):
but Jimmy's like, nah, I'm gonna go ahead and go
with Steve Berline. Okay. And this is how this went down.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I was excited knowing the magnitude of what was about
to happen. I was going to be starting in Chicago
in our first playoffs game, only then to read that
I was not going to be playing just said he's serious.
I mean, it seemed like it was like, I'm not
even believable. I went and visited with Jimmy and I
told him I was under the belief he said I
(11:43):
was going to be starting. Yeah. He made it clear
that this was a decision that he had made.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I wasn't worried about anybody's feelings, Troy's hurt, thieves, or
I was just trying to win a game.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I am sticking with what I just got through saying
a few minutes ago this week, Steve Berline will start.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Jimmy made it choice I was the guy. I don't
make the decisions, were any I just said here to
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So I don't know. I don't know what I mean.
A lot of things can happen, Steve maybe leading this team.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
After all Jimmy liked about me is that I was
a lot more vocal as a leader than Troy.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Haigwan.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just say the Dallas doll Boys about the going away
the Soviet Union, my Ben.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I had to leave that in. Imagine a big time
comedian that's Chris Farley if you didn't know, before a
playoff game, addressing the.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Crowd and having the same thing as that president of
North Texas that was hearing the feedback and the heditation.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's clear.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
And again, so much of this I can remember. I
can't remember if it's just I don't recall because it's
been so long, or if I didn't know it. But
you know, obviously that Jimmy Troy relationship was so incredibly
strained and it was fast.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Need to watch how it.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Was fractured and why it was fractured than how it
was put back together, which I'm sure you'll get into that,
but just here in Berlin, say that like Jimmy liked
Burlin because he was energetic and loud and passionate and fiery,
and Troy wasn't. And so I think Jimmy just read
Troy not being fiery and just thought he didn't care
because he acted like that, and nothing could have been
(13:21):
further from the truth.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It just feels like Steve Burlin was kind of like, oh, yeah,
you want me to be in a documentary, Great, I'll
say some great things about me. I think like the.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Thing about Troy too, and that Jimmy relationship that you're
talking about is Jimmy didn't make an effort to get
to know anybody. Yeah, and so he already had a
tight relationship with Michael Irvin from college, you know, being
a start at Miami, and they they hit on this
a little bit in the documentary. But I remember at
the time, the first time I heard about this, I
(13:53):
was in shock that Jimmy just got rid of his
wife because she slowed down the foot card. Can we
not get into more of that? That's why I was
a little disappointed. They showed one picture of her and
they moved on.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, they bus doesn't interrupt you, They just brushed through it.
And I was like, wait, are they serious? Are they
being sarcastic? Like it was? Actually it was.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
It was a story that was covered quite a bit
around here when there was there was this whole mythology
that was being built up of Jimmy Johnson here at
the time. And they did hit on the asthma field thing.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
That was funny.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, and but that was very much. Jimmy was a tyrant.
He you know, he built this thing up. And if
you don't have the time to put in that I
put in, you're no good to me. And so he
projected this energy and that's why when Jimmy started doing
television we started seeing a different part of his personality
from how he was presented, because how he was presented
(14:44):
was he doesn't have time for anybody except for himself.
And if you got in the way, he sacrificed you.
And that includes his wife. Yeah, dude, if he is
gonna sacrifice his wife because it's slown him down and
bench the number one pick like that was ballsy. All
that was in I'll tell you, I tell you too.
The one thing, you know, been some memories and stuff.
(15:04):
You know, there's certain details and things that you don't
think about but when they start showing it to you,
it comes flooding back. I can't tell you. I remember
that Washington game very vividly. I mean, I remember watching
the game. I remember when Troy I had forgotten that
he had like a hyper extended knee, but I remember
him going down. I remember Berlin coming in and seeing
(15:26):
those plays like it starts flooding back to you because
that's when you started feeling like, Wow, we're we're good.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And they were six and five going into Vexama, and
that was the turning point of everything. Yeah, which was incredible,
which just lets you know it, I mean, because then
they went on to build a huge dynasty after that.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And the other thing too, that it goes to show
you with Troy going down and then winning whatever it was,
five in a row, it just goes to show you
that they had built everything up.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And won the first playoff game. Yeah. Now, ostensibly Troy
demands a trade. This one's kind of shorter.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So I think Jimmy miss rad probably early on how
important winning was to me and how dedicated and motivated
I was to win. If there was a time where
I told my agent, you know, you have to try
to work a deal and get me traded.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It could jeopardize what we were building. Torch, and I said, Jimmy,
it's Troy Egman as our quarterback for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think it was a mistake to start Burlin.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't think so, because we were so poor in
our past. Defancy wouldn't have made any to reach who
the quarterback was.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So how do you fix the past?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
I think Troy was referring to there by the way,
when he said he went to his agent to get
a trade, I think that was from the Walls era.
I don't think that was during the Berlin game. Then,
I think it was during the Wall stuff when he
wants there's a.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Few Episode one was so great and episode two was
very good too, but not on the level episode one.
And there's a few discrepancies that I've seen so far.
And that's interesting that you say, because we're trying to
say one sports radio station in town was happening in nineteen.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Yeah, But to show Troy going out and working out
just for the media to let the media know he's
healthy so they might put pressure on Jimmy, that was
That was crazy, dude. This is so wild, all right,
let's keep this thing going. We continue our review of
episode two of America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
the new Netflix docuseries, and it continues next be.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
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Speaker 3 (17:44):
But right now it's time for.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
This kill.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The Thing's big.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Continuing our review of episode two of the new Dallas
Cowboys documentary that dropped on Netflix. So where we left
you off is Jimmy's talking about choosing Steve Berline over
Troy and also saying it wouldn't have matter. We weren't
gonna want to well that year anyways, because their past
defense sucks. Well, what do you do to fix the defense?
You go make some more moves. And this is where
(18:14):
Charles Haley gets brought into the picture.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Forty nine ers called the Cowboys say, would you be
interested in Charles Haley?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
The only problem was we heard some horror stories.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Charles I always found a rookie that he wanted to
pick on, you know, calling me up. In ninety two,
I heard the Charles walked up into the general manager's office.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
He pulled out as.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
On his desk and said, this is how bad I
want out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
How can a player go against his coaching fan like this?
George Seafer was the head coach, he was a micro manager.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I hated it. I've tried to hit the coach.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew dice involving what the Cowboys might be, but
I'm a huge believer and real dealtation.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The chaw I got your back.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
A lot of crazy people in this whole documentary, but
Cha Haley's especially kind of crazy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (19:21):
He's so great in this.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Michael So I can't help but think that that blew
up in San Francisco's face. They were clearly trying to
trojan horse the Cowboys. What you don't call the other
best team in the NFC and go, hey, you want
a game changing player's.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Because they didn't know they were the other best team
in the NFC, they knew they were on the come. Yeah,
they were there yet.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
I don't know, Kat after making the playoffs the year
before and having the roster they had, if they weren't
paying attention to the Cowboys, they're idiots. They tried to
Trojan horse him.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Does that did that stop you from trading Micah to
the Packers or something like that?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I guess it's different. It's more different in your divisions.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Not the divisions in the conference. Yeah, it's right. I
don't know. Ely, I wouldn't trade Micah to Washington or Philly.
I don't think that would stop me from trading Micah
to Green Bear, Detroit or whoever.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
But nobody knows, like really what it's like to work
with a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Than the team who has him.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Sure, and if he's gonna walk in stand on the
general manerser's desk and urinate on it. And you know,
we heard other stories too, like shocking stories that dude
was not right all there, and just hearing in the
documentary him talking about his three different personalities. Yeah, I mean,
if you give it that to another team, you probably
do think it's a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
I mean measuring himself all yeah, using the same body
part with a different bodily function U.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And that wasting staff. Oh my god, if.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You don't know that was Bill Romanowski talking about getting
picked on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, well, hell he turned him into what he was, right, sure,
Charles Haley, he might have never been that guy. Maybe
Charles Haley created a monster like that. Who knows. Well,
this is where Jimmy kind of lost the team a
little bit that year. Though they're winning games, having a
good time, the players are hanging out. A great pleasant
scene in the documentary, We're all in the pool and
a nice little songs playing in the background, and then
(21:17):
Troy's got to break the news to Jimmy, like, dude,
they don't like you.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So we started to realize that what we had was
so special. Right now, the Dallas Cowboys are I think
the best team in a half the football league, and
this town was ecstatic. I mean, it was really fun.
Jimmy didn't quite feel that way.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Even though we're winning. We're winning, we're winning.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Jimmy Johnson off with the head set. I don't think
I've ever seen them not outset.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Jimmy keeps get more intense.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Late in the regular season. We've lost what we thought
was going to be a win, but it wasn't. One
of these dejecting losses.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
After that loss, we get on the plane and I
am just fuman because of the way we played. So
the flight attendant starts to serve the meal and I say, no,
no meal.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They don't deserve to eat. We couldn't eat, man, we
were starving. Man eat, We can't even eat on the
damn plate.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Grown ass man that just played the whole football game
for you. He was a big paper, he was.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That tall.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
That that's the story that made it out. And not
eating on the airplane, Yeah, that got out, and about.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Imagine that happening now. The coach would be canceled so fast.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I mean the players Association would get involved. Yeah, I
guess it was a way different time for sure.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Well even his little asthma comment would have gotten him
in trouble.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
What moves there? How hard coaches really do speak to
their players? Yeah, like, there's very few that do that.
Can you imagine? I can't even imagine at all Shody
getting close to ripping someone's ass.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
It's just a it's just such a different era. He's
a different style too. He's theirself it's like the disciplinarian.
Then there's the players coach, you know, there's the psychiatrist,
then there's the you know, engineer or whatever. There's all
these different and you lean one way too far. You
got to correct it, over corrected and lean the other way.
But shot, he's like the biggest player's friendly, media friendly coach.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Ever, I think he's a complete meathead. But this is
why Rabel interested me a little bit. And he's not
the Patriots coach. Yeah, he's doing it because he's a psychopath.
And we hadn't had a psycho gonna be a head
coach here in a long.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Time since barcels I go.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Jerry talked about in the first episode of this thing
about you know, taking risk and going the otherwise, Like, dude,
you hired Jason Garrett and then Mike McCarthy and then
Brian Schottenheimer before that way, Like dude, you have not
taken risks at the head coach thing in twenty years.
Last clip I pulled here, and this is how Troy
(23:49):
and Jimmy finally bonded.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
When the season finally ended, Jimmy walks into the locker
room to talk to the team. We just had our
best season. He's starting into this speech about having won
the division and the postseason and he was given us
that moment that we had never gotten. And then the
door to the locker room opened up and he stops
(24:12):
and turns around and it was Jerry and a few
of his friends, and Jimmy just stopped and said congratulations
and went to his locker and it was over.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
And so okay, I gotta stop this because there's a
little more of this clip. But that to me was
Troy maybe a little bit driving out of his way
to run Jerry over just for a second point. Yeah,
but that story maybe it's important later in the documentaries.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Okay, yeah, but it's like they're this important moment with
the head coach and his team, like doing real football things,
and here Jerry comes in with his friends maybe advertising
clients who knows and brings them right in and ruins
that moment.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Okay, do you think that's going to be covered later? Absolutely,
it's foreshadowing. We're going to get into when he's bringing
Elizabeth Taylor on the field. We're going to get into
when he brings the prints onto the field field, Like,
that's definitely foreshadowing.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But well, that equate to our getting to the narrative
of losing games and the two thousands on.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, no, no, it's going to get into the narrative
of the fracture of Jimmy and Jerry. Okay, you know
in other words, I mean, and it also I think
to me, at least it shows you what a butthole
Jimmy is like, he's he's distracted by that to even
let them have their moment.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Now, if I remember correctly that we're getting into, so
you're you're done with the audio right there?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, no, Troy getting along go with it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
We didn't get that moment that we thought we deserved.
The next night, we had our Christmas party and the
guy said, they're not going. I mean, I'm the quarterback,
I have to go. There wasn't anyone there. Jimmy and
I were talking and I told him, I said, players
aren't happy. And one conversation led to another. We start
talking about aquariums, and I said, you know, I always
thought about getting.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
A had three or four in my home in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
And then he says, hey, what do you say we
go get you an aquarium after practice? I said, okay,
So we did and the next thing, you know, he
came put it together in my house.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So it just kind of helped build a relationship talking
about things other than football.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
After that, he'd come over with a six pack of Heineken.
Then the aquarium was in my master bedroom and I
had a chair and there he'd just go PLoP down
in that chair and drinks Heineguns and watch the fish.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's the weirdest damn thing.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
I can't even believe that. Okay, so the aquarium was
in his master bedroom. It sounded like Jimmy would just
take a six pack in there by himself and sit
in a chair, not even with Troy.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That's so I to it.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
And the other thing that made me think about is
this is a person who's run everybody off in his life.
There's you know, I can't just on a week night
at ten o'clock go sit in Ben's master bedroom because
I got a family and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think that'd be cool.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But if you have nobody in your family, if you
have nobody, if you've run on everybody off, you can
go silently sit in someone's bedroom and look at their fish.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
They say you can have friends or success, pick one, right, uh,
and you look at I immediately think of the Bulls
documentary when I'm watching this.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
What was that thing called Last Dance? Yeah, last Dance,
the Last Dance?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Just how you know, maniacal Jordan was and how the
basketball was the focus, right or just competitiveness or whatever,
like whatever he was doing, he just didn't have friends.
It sounds similar to Jimmy, like just maniacal, psychotic dedication
to just one thing. And this was really sad, I thought.
(27:36):
But those guys, those guys actually eventually bonded when Jimmy
learned that, oh winning means everything to Troy too. Yeah,
oh my god, let's stare at fish together and go win.
It was very strange. Yeah, and we'll go ahead.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Well, Jimmy had kids at this point, Yeah, he had
kids from his They just he just ran everybody off, dude.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And so we're going to get into this next.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
But also I think in the next step episode we're
about to have is that where Jimmy says put it
in ten inch headline.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I've seen nothing on episodes.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Okay, watch it tonight because coming we'll get in an
episode three tomorrow. But the winning is about to happen
in a big way. Great stuff really enjoyed it. I
hope you're enjoying it with us. I'll never forget the
time KT looked Charles Haley dead in his crotch and
he said.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I'll f with the ocean.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And so Charles and Jimmy went and got some hind
aken and stared at Kat's fish. Christine, are you gonna
stick around and play music till o'clock?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
All right?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
We got Christina the next four hours right here on
the Eagle.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
There you going.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Well, sorry, I'm going to get some cheeks after this
horse powerge joint.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I had to take a poop
Cowboy Surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Netflix dropped the eight piece documentary series called The Gambler
and His Cowboys about the Cowboys and stuff. We talked
about episode one yesterday, which was great. Episode two is
called ake Mania about Troy Aikman, and they had a
big teaser leading up episode two. But they started a
little bit of this episode off talking about herschel Walker,
(00:39):
who was the running back for the Cowboys at the time.
It was a very good player.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Even though we had just drafted Troy Aikman. We knew
heading into the nineteen eighty nine season that herschel Walker
was the marquis player of the Dallas Cowboys and the
Dallas market.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Wow, it's herschel Walker.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I would say that people would rather watch that game
than any NFL game that you can think of.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
I started writing poetry as a matter of fact, in
high school because I read a Sports Illustrated article on
herschel and he wrote poetry. Remember any of the pots
they weren't They weren't great. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6 (01:16):
Was one of them called Oklahoma Knights.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Who is man? I was? I was?
Speaker 7 (01:22):
I went and looked at this after watching that and
the numbers he put up in nineteen eighty eight, fifteen
hundred yards for the Cowboys, rushing one and fourteen yards
on a terrible team, rushing.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
No offensive line.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
Dude, Oh, their offensive line was done nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They talked about how that season though, because they got Troy.
This is eighty nine, I guess, and I had a
tough start arm opening game.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I'm thinking, we just got the number one pick in
the draft in Foy Aikman, and we have.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
The best running back in the league.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
May have this NFL figured out right as we come
through the door, or this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm gonna have the greatest time of my life.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That was our time.
Speaker 8 (02:09):
Wow, that's a big welcome to the NFL for Trey.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
The first game, I looked for the players and I said,
you know, I didn't come here to lose.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I said, you know this, stop right here.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
And he said, we're done losing around here. And of
course we weren't. We lost the next seven in a row.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
That was so funny. They oh cocky they were. They
were so excited they didn't get into it.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
And you know, my memory may be fuzzy now, but
if I remember correctly, they won their very first preseason
game their first year and Jimmy ran out onto the
field and was like, you know, bringing that college energy,
and everyone's looking around going what.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, man, definitely go down like this. It's crazy, That's
what It's funny. Like, I'm sure we'll get into it later.
Speaker 9 (02:52):
A certain other player comes back and he's all hype
like him, like Jimmy because he's used to that, and
everyone else is like, dude, chill man, play cool.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
They totally zip past the Steve Walsh thing. Yes, they
didn't even cover it. No, I mean they like to me.
I think Troy is a super sympathetic character in all
of this because you're, like, man, he seemed he had
a tough childhood. His dad sounded really tough on him.
He was basically an adult at six years old and
all that, and it was never really that fair for him,
(03:20):
Like they were never really that fair. And the fact
that he had to fight for his job because it
was the nineteen eighty nine the little draft they drafted
Steve Walsh and had a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
When they already had the number one pick quarterback. Did
you know about this? Kt? I knew about it, like
in just like over the years, but nothing specific.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
So Walsh was Jimmy's quarterback at Miami Miami, so Jimmy
was partial to Walsh, and so they didn't I mean
they I know that it's a documentary and you have
to edit certain things out, but the way that they
presented the Steve burline, we'll get to it, the Steve
Burline controversy was this was the quarterback controversy. Man, the
quarterback controversy had kind of been settled. Ben's talking about
(04:01):
in the early days, because it's different.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
When you're one in fifteen.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
You know, there's a lot more chatter and people are
not rational about how good the team is. But Jimmy
made you know, that tension they allude to between Jimmy
and Troy that was set up with the with the
wall stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
It's interesting they left that out because that, to me
was the key takeaway of episode two, is Jimmy and
Troy's relationship. Yeah, we'll get to all that, you know,
later in this hour, but when we come back, I
think we need to talk about what happened with the
trade and then Jerry's health issues that were happening at
the time as well.
Speaker 7 (04:36):
Hell yeah, all right, awesome, we keep this party going,
and we'll do that in just over three minutes.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
We're talking about the new Netflix docu series The Gambler
and His Cowboys. It's an eight party. Yesterday we hit
up part one. Today we're on episode two and Kati
has more audio.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, so we talked about how they're not very good
and they're losing games. I believe they started to eight
in nineteen eighty nine. And here's the glory of the
trade of Herschelwalker.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
This is why you.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Don't buy here, Todd Lander. We're dealing with a couple
of old country bumpkins.
Speaker 9 (05:07):
So devastating Walks for the Californy save gone from America's team.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
To the worst team that season was just terrible. A
radio friend of mine says, the Dallas Cowboys have just.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Traded the Rolls Royce for five.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Hersel Walker to Minnesota for five players.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
The great Herschel Walker for these guys.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No one had ever even heard of these guys.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Dallas Cowboys may have been.
Speaker 7 (05:30):
Had and to sweetened the deal, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones
painted additional two million dollars for Walker to wave his
no trade class.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
We're the worst team of the league and we just
traded our best player for five nobody. I don't think
the Cowboys will ever be the same till the JJS
go back to Arkansas.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Thanks Tim Harris, Gus Cowboys are no good. It's gonna
come back to haunt the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
My favorite part of this whole thing so far is
just fans dogging them.
Speaker 9 (05:57):
Yeah, because it sounds like the loop good trade we
just went through.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Does it really does?
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Let me just say, by the way, I Colt was good, dude.
I Colt was the one guy those five that could play.
He actually had I believe he had two blocked punts,
and they cut him to they cut him all to
get those picks.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
So so they do you are you gonna play the
other audio?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, okay, keep going. Yeah. So well, this is where
Jerry's like talking about the fallout from that trade, wherever
he's getting killed because they traded the best player in the.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Market that wasn't getting my ass kicked every day, everyone saying,
should take your ass back to Arkansas.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Who in the hell does.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
He think he is?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
The devil has plunged to Dallas.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
In the form of Jerry L. Well, if I'm being honest,
having only one win in my first year in the
NFL wasn't even my biggest problem. We were losing a
million dollars a month cash flow, couldn't pay the bills,
and there was a great risk that I would lose
the team.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Do I drink a little bit to get to go
to sleep.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Then all of a sudden two or three o'clock in
the morning, earned that first cricket, My eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Would be open. I'd be up for the day.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
When I lived a entire vallet ranch headquarters twenty four
hours a day, during that I developed heart arrhythmia. It's
when you never sleep and the hard starts beating faster.
But thank god I had Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Oh my god, thank god. Did he talk more? Did
you get into the trade anymore? Yeah? That's actuid the
next one, I thank you to catch up. Here's the
wrinkle from the herschel Walker trade. I think this clip
starts though, with Jimmy being a total insular person.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Can we say one thing about his health before we
play this? Yeah, it has always been astonishing to me
that Jerry cranks like he does in his eighties, having drank.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
As much whiskey as he has.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
No doubt it makes me think that there's medicinal properties
and whiskey we should be exploring.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, he's had a new drug, a rare drug saved
him from the cancer he was talking about. Yeah, I
think this clip starts with talking about Jimmy Johnson just
basically all he cares about the school. He sounds like
a nerd to hang out with in this clip.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
But ultimately we were optimistic because we had an ace
up our sleeve. Now. The thing people didn't realize about
the Herschel trade there was actually a catch. If we
cut five players, then Minnesota would have to give us.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Five picks, one for every player.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Mike Clan who was the general manager, conjured up this
idea that since we were losing so many games, he
thought we would fall in love with the player and
want to take the player rather than the picks.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I called my clan up.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I said, Mike, we're going to release the players, and
he said, I don't believe you'll do it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We did it, and we got the picks.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Football trades have changed over time. That was incredible.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
The thing I couldn't remember, like in my mind, I'd
always thought that was the diabolical plan that they just
wanted the picks. They didn't want the players, but the
way that the docuseriies painted it out was that it
kind of developed and they were like, you know what,
what if we just go ahead and cut the players?
Do you think that was their plan the whole time?
Speaker 6 (09:10):
So I didn't go back and look then, But in
my mind I thought they got players and picks. I
didn't remember that wrinkle at all. Yeah, so no, I
think they probably wanted those picks.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
Were they shrewd enough to trick them into giving players
that they would automatically cut and like that, that's that
would have been pretty shrewd if they just fleeced Minnesota,
and Minnesota's like, oh, they'll never cut these players, and
all along they planned on doing it and getting the picks.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Yeah, strange deal, a huge deal to rebuild the Cowboys, And.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
The details are so vague on there that it's hard
to even know that this is what got them though.
Emmet Russell, Maryland Pup and Darren will Woodson.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I thought they got Pup out of there. Kevin Smith, Oh,
Kevin Smith, Okay, yeah maybe yeah, And you know they
had because they also had their pick, like I think
Russell Marrier Russell Maryland was their pick. Yeah, because that
Russell Maryland is top three pick, wasn't he see number
one was there for sure?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah? And by the way of all those guys, he
was just a guy. He was good.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
He was good.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
He was incredible in college though, an incredibly disruptive player.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So you know, that's uh, that's kind of everything that's
happened with the trade. Now you move on to that season.
Obviously they also is game. The next season, they're doing
well and then Troy gets hurt and then they bring
in Steve Berline, who's done comedy recently at a comedy club.
Steve Berline as who Jimmy picks. We'll get into that,
(10:39):
how Troy felt about that, and how that season ended up. Nick.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Thank you for tuning in today and every day. We
are rolling through a recap of episode two of America's
Team The Gambler and his Cowboys, the new Netflix docu series,
and with more on that.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's kat So where we left you off. The Cowboys
had had the tough y'ur at eighty nine and the nine.
He began winning some games a little bit, and then
there were six and five. They beat Washington in the
middle of the year. Things are looking well. Troy gets hurt, though,
Troy aightman the future gets hurt. What are you gonna do?
He's got to miss three or four games? What's time
to go to the playoffs? Troy thinks he's gonna play,
(11:16):
but Jimmy's like, nah, I'm gonna go ahead and go
with Steve Berline. Okay. And this is how this went down.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I was excited knowing the magnitude of what was about
to happen. I was going to be starting in Chicago
in our first playoffs game, only then to read that
I was not going to be playing just said he's serious.
I mean, it seemed like it was like, I'm not
even believable. I went and visited with Jimmy and I
told him I was under the belief he said I
(11:43):
was going to be starting. Yeah. He made it clear
that this was a decision that he had made.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I wasn't worried about anybody's feelings, Troy's hurt, thieves, or
I was just trying to win a game.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I am sticking with what I just got through saying
a few minutes ago this week, Steve Berline will start.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Jimmy made it choice I was the guy. I don't
make the decisions, were any I just said here to
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
So I don't know. I don't know what I mean.
A lot of things can happen, Steve maybe leading this team.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
After all Jimmy liked about me is that I was
a lot more vocal as a leader than Troy.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Haigwan.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Just say the Dallas doll Boys about the going away
the Soviet Union, my Ben.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I had to leave that in. Imagine a big time
comedian that's Chris Farley if you didn't know, before a
playoff game, addressing the.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
Crowd and having the same thing as that president of
North Texas that was hearing the feedback and the heditation.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
It's clear.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
And again, so much of this I can remember. I
can't remember if it's just I don't recall because it's
been so long, or if I didn't know it. But
you know, obviously that Jimmy Troy relationship was so incredibly
strained and it was fast.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Need to watch how it.
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Was fractured and why it was fractured than how it
was put back together, which I'm sure you'll get into that,
but just here in Berlin, say that like Jimmy liked
Burlin because he was energetic and loud and passionate and fiery,
and Troy wasn't. And so I think Jimmy just read
Troy not being fiery and just thought he didn't care
because he acted like that, and nothing could have been
(13:21):
further from the truth.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It just feels like Steve Burlin was kind of like, oh, yeah,
you want me to be in a documentary, Great, I'll
say some great things about me. I think like the.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Thing about Troy too, and that Jimmy relationship that you're
talking about is Jimmy didn't make an effort to get
to know anybody. Yeah, and so he already had a
tight relationship with Michael Irvin from college, you know, being
a start at Miami, and they they hit on this
a little bit in the documentary. But I remember at
the time, the first time I heard about this, I
(13:53):
was in shock that Jimmy just got rid of his
wife because she slowed down the foot card. Can we
not get into more of that? That's why I was
a little disappointed. They showed one picture of her and
they moved on.
Speaker 9 (14:03):
Well, they bus doesn't interrupt you, They just brushed through it.
And I was like, wait, are they serious? Are they
being sarcastic? Like it was? Actually it was.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
It was a story that was covered quite a bit
around here when there was there was this whole mythology
that was being built up of Jimmy Johnson here at
the time. And they did hit on the asthma field thing.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
That was funny.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Yeah, and but that was very much. Jimmy was a tyrant.
He you know, he built this thing up. And if
you don't have the time to put in that I
put in, you're no good to me. And so he
projected this energy and that's why when Jimmy started doing
television we started seeing a different part of his personality
from how he was presented, because how he was presented
(14:44):
was he doesn't have time for anybody except for himself.
And if you got in the way, he sacrificed you.
And that includes his wife. Yeah, dude, if he is
gonna sacrifice his wife because it's slown him down and
bench the number one pick like that was ballsy. All
that was in I'll tell you, I tell you too.
The one thing, you know, been some memories and stuff.
(15:04):
You know, there's certain details and things that you don't
think about but when they start showing it to you,
it comes flooding back. I can't tell you. I remember
that Washington game very vividly. I mean, I remember watching
the game. I remember when Troy I had forgotten that
he had like a hyper extended knee, but I remember
him going down. I remember Berlin coming in and seeing
(15:26):
those plays like it starts flooding back to you because
that's when you started feeling like, Wow, we're we're good.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
And they were six and five going into Vexama, and
that was the turning point of everything. Yeah, which was incredible,
which just lets you know it, I mean, because then
they went on to build a huge dynasty after that.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And the other thing too, that it goes to show
you with Troy going down and then winning whatever it was,
five in a row, it just goes to show you
that they had built everything up.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
And won the first playoff game. Yeah. Now, ostensibly Troy
demands a trade. This one's kind of shorter.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
So I think Jimmy miss rad probably early on how
important winning was to me and how dedicated and motivated
I was to win. If there was a time where
I told my agent, you know, you have to try
to work a deal and get me traded.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
It could jeopardize what we were building. Torch, and I said, Jimmy,
it's Troy Egman as our quarterback for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think it was a mistake to start Burlin.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I don't think so, because we were so poor in
our past. Defancy wouldn't have made any to reach who
the quarterback was.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So how do you fix the past?
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (16:33):
I think Troy was referring to there by the way,
when he said he went to his agent to get
a trade, I think that was from the Walls era.
I don't think that was during the Berlin game. Then,
I think it was during the Wall stuff when he
wants there's a.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Few Episode one was so great and episode two was
very good too, but not on the level episode one.
And there's a few discrepancies that I've seen so far.
And that's interesting that you say, because we're trying to
say one sports radio station in town was happening in nineteen.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
Yeah, But to show Troy going out and working out
just for the media to let the media know he's
healthy so they might put pressure on Jimmy, that was
That was crazy, dude. This is so wild, all right,
let's keep this thing going. We continue our review of
episode two of America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
the new Netflix docuseries, and it continues next be.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
In skin Show ninety seven point one The Eagle. We're
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Speaker 3 (17:44):
But right now it's time for.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
This kill.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The Thing's big.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Continuing our review of episode two of the new Dallas
Cowboys documentary that dropped on Netflix. So where we left
you off is Jimmy's talking about choosing Steve Berline over
Troy and also saying it wouldn't have matter. We weren't
gonna want to well that year anyways, because their past
defense sucks. Well, what do you do to fix the defense?
You go make some more moves. And this is where
(18:14):
Charles Haley gets brought into the picture.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Forty nine ers called the Cowboys say, would you be
interested in Charles Haley?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
The only problem was we heard some horror stories.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
Charles I always found a rookie that he wanted to
pick on, you know, calling me up. In ninety two,
I heard the Charles walked up into the general manager's office.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
He pulled out as.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
On his desk and said, this is how bad I
want out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
How can a player go against his coaching fan like this?
George Seafer was the head coach, he was a micro manager.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
I hated it. I've tried to hit the coach.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew dice involving what the Cowboys might be, but
I'm a huge believer and real dealtation.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
The chaw I got your back.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
A lot of crazy people in this whole documentary, but
Cha Haley's especially kind of crazy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 9 (19:21):
He's so great in this.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Michael So I can't help but think that that blew
up in San Francisco's face. They were clearly trying to
trojan horse the Cowboys. What you don't call the other
best team in the NFC and go, hey, you want
a game changing player's.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Because they didn't know they were the other best team
in the NFC, they knew they were on the come. Yeah,
they were there yet.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
I don't know, Kat after making the playoffs the year
before and having the roster they had, if they weren't
paying attention to the Cowboys, they're idiots. They tried to
Trojan horse him.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Does that did that stop you from trading Micah to
the Packers or something like that?
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I guess it's different. It's more different in your divisions.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Not the divisions in the conference. Yeah, it's right. I
don't know. Ely, I wouldn't trade Micah to Washington or Philly.
I don't think that would stop me from trading Micah
to Green Bear, Detroit or whoever.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
But nobody knows, like really what it's like to work
with a guy.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Than the team who has him.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
Sure, and if he's gonna walk in stand on the
general manerser's desk and urinate on it. And you know,
we heard other stories too, like shocking stories that dude
was not right all there, and just hearing in the
documentary him talking about his three different personalities. Yeah, I mean,
if you give it that to another team, you probably
do think it's a ticking time bomb.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
I mean measuring himself all yeah, using the same body
part with a different bodily function U.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And that wasting staff. Oh my god, if.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
You don't know that was Bill Romanowski talking about getting
picked on.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, well, hell he turned him into what he was, right, sure,
Charles Haley, he might have never been that guy. Maybe
Charles Haley created a monster like that. Who knows. Well,
this is where Jimmy kind of lost the team a
little bit that year. Though they're winning games, having a
good time, the players are hanging out. A great pleasant
scene in the documentary, We're all in the pool and
a nice little songs playing in the background, and then
(21:17):
Troy's got to break the news to Jimmy, like, dude,
they don't like you.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
So we started to realize that what we had was
so special. Right now, the Dallas Cowboys are I think
the best team in a half the football league, and
this town was ecstatic. I mean, it was really fun.
Jimmy didn't quite feel that way.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Even though we're winning. We're winning, we're winning.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Jimmy Johnson off with the head set. I don't think
I've ever seen them not outset.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Jimmy keeps get more intense.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Late in the regular season. We've lost what we thought
was going to be a win, but it wasn't. One
of these dejecting losses.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
After that loss, we get on the plane and I
am just fuman because of the way we played. So
the flight attendant starts to serve the meal and I say, no,
no meal.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They don't deserve to eat. We couldn't eat, man, we
were starving. Man eat, We can't even eat on the
damn plate.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Grown ass man that just played the whole football game
for you. He was a big paper, he was.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
That tall.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
That that's the story that made it out. And not
eating on the airplane, Yeah, that got out, and about.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Imagine that happening now. The coach would be canceled so fast.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
I mean the players Association would get involved. Yeah, I
guess it was a way different time for sure.
Speaker 9 (22:40):
Well even his little asthma comment would have gotten him
in trouble.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
What moves there? How hard coaches really do speak to
their players? Yeah, like, there's very few that do that.
Can you imagine? I can't even imagine at all Shody
getting close to ripping someone's ass.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
It's just a it's just such a different era. He's
a different style too. He's theirself it's like the disciplinarian.
Then there's the players coach, you know, there's the psychiatrist,
then there's the you know, engineer or whatever. There's all
these different and you lean one way too far. You
got to correct it, over corrected and lean the other way.
But shot, he's like the biggest player's friendly, media friendly coach.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Ever, I think he's a complete meathead. But this is
why Rabel interested me a little bit. And he's not
the Patriots coach. Yeah, he's doing it because he's a psychopath.
And we hadn't had a psycho gonna be a head
coach here in a long.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Time since barcels I go.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Jerry talked about in the first episode of this thing
about you know, taking risk and going the otherwise, Like, dude,
you hired Jason Garrett and then Mike McCarthy and then
Brian Schottenheimer before that way, Like dude, you have not
taken risks at the head coach thing in twenty years.
Last clip I pulled here, and this is how Troy
(23:49):
and Jimmy finally bonded.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
When the season finally ended, Jimmy walks into the locker
room to talk to the team. We just had our
best season. He's starting into this speech about having won
the division and the postseason and he was given us
that moment that we had never gotten. And then the
door to the locker room opened up and he stops
(24:12):
and turns around and it was Jerry and a few
of his friends, and Jimmy just stopped and said congratulations
and went to his locker and it was over.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
And so okay, I gotta stop this because there's a
little more of this clip. But that to me was
Troy maybe a little bit driving out of his way
to run Jerry over just for a second point. Yeah,
but that story maybe it's important later in the documentaries.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Okay, yeah, but it's like they're this important moment with
the head coach and his team, like doing real football things,
and here Jerry comes in with his friends maybe advertising
clients who knows and brings them right in and ruins
that moment.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Okay, do you think that's going to be covered later? Absolutely,
it's foreshadowing. We're going to get into when he's bringing
Elizabeth Taylor on the field. We're going to get into
when he brings the prints onto the field field, Like,
that's definitely foreshadowing.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
But well, that equate to our getting to the narrative
of losing games and the two thousands on.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, no, no, it's going to get into the narrative
of the fracture of Jimmy and Jerry. Okay, you know
in other words, I mean, and it also I think
to me, at least it shows you what a butthole
Jimmy is like, he's he's distracted by that to even
let them have their moment.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Now, if I remember correctly that we're getting into, so
you're you're done with the audio right there?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, no, Troy getting along go with it.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
We didn't get that moment that we thought we deserved.
The next night, we had our Christmas party and the
guy said, they're not going. I mean, I'm the quarterback,
I have to go. There wasn't anyone there. Jimmy and
I were talking and I told him, I said, players
aren't happy. And one conversation led to another. We start
talking about aquariums, and I said, you know, I always
thought about getting.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
A had three or four in my home in Dallas.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
And then he says, hey, what do you say we
go get you an aquarium after practice? I said, okay,
So we did and the next thing, you know, he
came put it together in my house.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So it just kind of helped build a relationship talking
about things other than football.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
After that, he'd come over with a six pack of Heineken.
Then the aquarium was in my master bedroom and I
had a chair and there he'd just go PLoP down
in that chair and drinks Heineguns and watch the fish.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
It's the weirdest damn thing.
Speaker 7 (26:30):
I can't even believe that. Okay, so the aquarium was
in his master bedroom. It sounded like Jimmy would just
take a six pack in there by himself and sit
in a chair, not even with Troy.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
That's so I to it.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
And the other thing that made me think about is
this is a person who's run everybody off in his life.
There's you know, I can't just on a week night
at ten o'clock go sit in Ben's master bedroom because
I got a family and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think that'd be cool.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
But if you have nobody in your family, if you
have nobody, if you've run on everybody off, you can
go silently sit in someone's bedroom and look at their fish.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
They say you can have friends or success, pick one, right, uh,
and you look at I immediately think of the Bulls
documentary when I'm watching this.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
What was that thing called Last Dance? Yeah, last Dance,
the Last Dance?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Just how you know, maniacal Jordan was and how the
basketball was the focus, right or just competitiveness or whatever,
like whatever he was doing, he just didn't have friends.
It sounds similar to Jimmy, like just maniacal, psychotic dedication
to just one thing. And this was really sad, I thought.
(27:36):
But those guys, those guys actually eventually bonded when Jimmy
learned that, oh winning means everything to Troy too. Yeah,
oh my god, let's stare at fish together and go win.
It was very strange. Yeah, and we'll go ahead.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Well, Jimmy had kids at this point, Yeah, he had
kids from his They just he just ran everybody off, dude.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And so we're going to get into this next.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
But also I think in the next step episode we're
about to have is that where Jimmy says put it
in ten inch headline.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I've seen nothing on episodes.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Okay, watch it tonight because coming we'll get in an
episode three tomorrow. But the winning is about to happen
in a big way. Great stuff really enjoyed it. I
hope you're enjoying it with us. I'll never forget the
time KT looked Charles Haley dead in his crotch and
he said.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I'll f with the ocean.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
And so Charles and Jimmy went and got some hind
aken and stared at Kat's fish. Christine, are you gonna
stick around and play music till o'clock?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
All right?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
We got Christina the next four hours right here on
the Eagle.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
There you going.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
Well, sorry, I'm going to get some cheeks after this
horse powerge joint.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I had to take a poop
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