August 22, 2025 • 31 mins
The Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson feud heats up, meanwhile the Cowboys were winning Super Bowls. Join Ben, Skin, and KT as they review episode 4 of the Netflix series.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cowboy Surprise, cow damn It. Episode four, America's team the
(00:21):
Gambler and his Cowboys starts off a super Bowl twenty
seven and it's a Cowboys and Bills and it's a
halftime and I thought this was pretty funny. I mean at.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Halftime to sneak out to see Michael Jackson, the smoke
came out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And he stood there like the stuff. He was like, bro,
do some stuff, Man, I get back in there. Jimmy's
gonna yell at me.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So I think that's probably the adventtime shows being crazy here.
I think before going before Michael Jackson, they used to
do stuff where it was like, you know, a bunch
of kid choirs out there and hands across America and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
All that crime Grambling band got a lot of halftime show.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I think when Michael Jackson did that, that's the beginning
of it being a spectacle. So and I you know,
when we did the first few episodes, I was just
watching one episode at a time, but I couldn't wait.
I finished the whole thing now and so wow, I'm
going back. I'm trying to think about where we are here.
So is this after the first super Bowl? This is
the second one.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now this is the first one. Oh, this is the
very first one. Yeah, Okay, we're not to the second
one yet. So this is after the first Super Bowl.
Jerry and Jimmy at the podium.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
There were so many moves and turning points, which a
pinpoint one as the most important point in the history
of this franchise under your direction. Yes, it's pretty easy.
The very first one when I hired Jimmy Johnson to
be the coach.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, the biggest decision ever is the decision I made.
I mean, there is already and we learned through this
episode that tension had already been building behind the scenes.
But there they are. Happiest moment on the podium, just
when the super Bowl, what's the biggest moment. It's the one.
It's my decision. And even though the decision is a
(02:06):
conflident to Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson did not see it
as that.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know if this is because of Jerry and Jimmy.
And it really happens later when Barry Switzer wins the
Super Bowl, and I don't think Jerry lets him look
at it. But whenever there's a whenever there's a podium situation.
I'm always very attuned to watching the people and how
they react with that trophy and who they give it to.
(02:31):
I watch it all the time. Yeah, I can't take
my eyes off It's amazing. When Oklahoma City thunder one there,
I was watching Sam Presty because of the way he
carries himself and all that, and you know, they all
got involved, but it was very much their whole attitude
was no, you take it, No you take it, No,
you take it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
This is that's my trophy, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, it's like little elementary school kids and they
can't take their eye off it, and they reach for
it even though they know they shouldn't be. Yeah, thank
you for complimenting me. And my hands on it. Oh
my god, I gotta grab it. I love you, man,
You're the reason we got to give that back to me.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Don't touch me while I touched that Troy fight. This
is uh Emmett's holdout. We go to training camp Fastward
Training Camp nineteen ninety three, the Super Bowl champions. Everyone's there.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
A contract dispute with Jerry Jones is why it's been
four weeks of no Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We're here.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
That's to call it Jerry Joneses in Dallas or you
want to stay to him.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah, you haven't as work.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
This thing out.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Willing to corporate with you if you will incorporate with
me Quan four years and seven te thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cowboys are off ring four years nine point one million,
So that's an eight billion dollar gap that seems likely
to keep Smith.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Animal contract negotiations are full of ambiguity.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I feel completely disrespected, but I have.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
A very high tolerance for ambiguity because I can go
longer than most and not have the answer.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And that was insulted, and you know, the tension started
to build.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Quarterback money and I just didn't have the money to
pay that because we hadn't turned the corner financially during
those times.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It's gonna get paid millions of dollars, but maybe not
as many Midian as he would like to have.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Come on, now, what are we talking about? You getting
Jersey sales out in the yam with me?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Greg?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Any sign yet of MT No, no sign of where's
em im It's is a distinction, you guys.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I don't think it hard and everybody, because every question
asks what about him?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
About it?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I think we're all a little bit tired of talking
about the mt situation.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
That's a year before this NFL salary cap, you know,
it took place. So I was sitting here, uh and
and I don't know if they get into it later.
I've only watched the first five episodes so far. But
Jerry was the guy ram roding the cap because he
figured that gave the Cowboys an advantage in a finite system.
So it's so wild to sit here and talk about
(04:59):
Jerry wanted Emmett's entire contract to be the value of
one year of Nauseie Marshall. Yeah, I have times changed.
I was thinking about that too, like any of these contracts,
like later with Dion, just like they're tiny, they're minuscule deals.
Dak's getting sixty a year, Okay, but what year was this?
This was after So this was following his third year
in the league, so it's going into his fourth year,
(05:20):
all right. So he was coming off Emmett was coming
off one thousand, seven hundred and thirteen yards and eighteen touchdowns. Yeah, rushing,
he was back to back rushing title.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Of the year in two rushing titles.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, And dude, he would go, I mean, I mean
Obviously he's the all time leading rusher, but I mean
if you look at some of those following years. I mean,
obviously that next year he missed those couple games, but
I mean after that ninety four, you know, he had
fourteen hundred and eighty four yards twenty one touchdowns, ninety
five seventeen seventy three yards twenty five touchdowns. Like he
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was on one of the greatest runs for running back ever.
I mean, he is the greatest running back ever.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Thought he was under contract. And this is coming up next,
the parallels, because if Mikah doesn't play once we get
going in about ten days from now or thirteen days
from now. What happened when Emmett didn't play the first
two games in nineteen ninety three. That's next on ninety
seven to one.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
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We're so enamored with this Netflix series, America's team, the
Gambler and his Cowboys. We're on episode four and we're
picking up with the Emmett out for Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So the season's got to start and Emitt's not under contract.
Here's how it went.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Derek Lafick simply blocks it, and they'd like the flock.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Ticket if you missed that Toil Cowboys and the Cowboys
are all on lawn.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Excise me what could have done for those two weeks
they let the negotiators and then and the owners talking
about as man, I want to talk about my football.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Differences, classic break into the play. I want the first
that man if I up and it's picked up like
Ty Williams a buff off.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I've always dropped through.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Oh and two, you know, we're fighting a lot of
things right now.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We're fighting more than just the game.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And I thought, our guys, oh boy, you know, it
just drove me absolutely damn crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I had beaten everybody to the dressing room and Charles
comes in and he says, we've got the greatest running
back in the world. And we're sitting here playing with
a rookie.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
My anger turned into rage. And when that happened, I
through the helmet, and.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
The helmet sticks in the sheet, rocks right beside where
I'm standing. As he comes in the room, Charles, let's
please don't do something that both of us can't get
over there.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Helmon almost hit Jerry saw almost got cut. But Jerry
signed Emmett the next week.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Man, this is a legendary story and there's so much
of it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I love.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Why did Jerry have to make up that it stuck
in the wall. It did not stick in the wall.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Though I know it's a.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Great story that his head almost got smashed by a helmet,
But all I could think about was, can you imagine
being Lassic in that room? As Charles Haley is yelling,
we've got the best running back in the world and
we're stuck with a rookie, and then he throws his helmet,
Think about what that kid is thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
On the opposite side of the room. Had a chance.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
If you were to put this in a movie about
pro sports, you would say this is unrealistic. Yeah, that
no one would ever do that. Come on, dude, this
is too far and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They're probably to leave out a bunch of stuff that
would even be better movie. Also, Jimmy Johnson, legendary coach,
probably composed all the time, and here he is at
the podier. Guys, boy, he was not great at the podium.
He walked off. Yeah, that's amazing. He was so beaten down.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He didn't even give the generic my guys played hard.
He was like, Ah, these guys didn't play hard.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
F M.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I can't deal with this. So im it returns, get signed,
and then the Cowboys become the biggest thing since slash spread.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Once we got em back on the field, we certainly
started winning rooms. But beyond that, the power and the
image of the Dallas Cowboys in verse everywhere. You can
turn on the TV and then see them on commercials.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You got to run to McDonald's.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I'm doing brand deal, make a wish TV shows.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I learned about you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yet the movies had all the baddy girls in the
world at the time of all the country move music,
gla oh late red call it now women must just
go batty.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
That's where the value is.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Carrie Kells has found the wing Cornua on an idea.
I'm the more franchise in the work, so I want
to make sure that it's a soapop for you around here.
I did think the music was a little too loud
during all of that. I love seeing that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I love the score. Is that are they are they
tying music of the time to it? Was that at
the same time. That's around the same time. I don't
know if it's the exact right yere, but that's that's Sammy,
hagar Vandlin right here right now. I agree with you
at times you're like, damn, that is loud. But man,
I love the production value behind this. Man, it is
really well done.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And just seeing all those clips from those old TV
shows and Married with Children and Coach and all that stuff.
I mean, there's a Coach episode where the wife of
the coach wanted to get Troy Aikman's DNA almost frozen. Like, yeah,
it's pretty crazy. Uh, this is where Jerry and Jimmy
and the feud kind of begins. They kind of go
(10:50):
back in time and discuss when it all started, the
feud Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
He had a new franchise they called me.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Is Jimmy Johnson gonna stay with the Cowboys contract for
the next five years.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I've always tried to do things that were fun that
I enjoyed. After the first Super Bowl, things changed, and
then Jerry and I, you know, we started, you know,
hollering about who got credit for what.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The controversial book The Boys is Hot reading in Big
Tim Bilis says that on two or three occasions last season,
Johnson came close to quitting.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
When we first went to the Cowboys, he was a businessman.
I was the football guy. But he wants to be
the guy on everything. Jimmy has to be the guy.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
If he does something, he wants that recognition that's important
to him.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
My understanding was Jimmy and I we were in this
thing together. We together.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's so good the way that they're laying it out,
and you know, I mean, obviously Jerry's going to have
final say on the way this is presented. But I
think I think it, you know, around here, it's always
been on Jerry screwed this up. I mean, I think
they're doing a good job of showing man, Jimmy was
an ass and Jimmy's complicit in this just as much
as Jerry is. And I do believe that if Jimmy
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was willing to give Jerry a little bit of credit.
But man, Jimmy was headed down this path regardless. Yeah, yeah, agreed,
and they do further explore that path. All right, coming
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here's k T.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So really, you know, they get into that big Super
Bowl win and into the ninety three season, Emmett holds out.
They lose the first two games, but then it becomes
a bit of a redemption story. The Cowboys get huge
during that time, and I couldn't help but think to
nineteen ninety three. The NFL was busting, and they're going
to get into it as we move forward, the TV
deals and all that stuff. But when you think about
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all of that stuff that was going on, they really
then in the back half of episode four, really lock
in on the Jimmy and Jerry feud. So I love
this so much. Randy Galloway used to do a show
on WBAP and there's a lot of calls on that show.
And you guys obviously worked with Randy for many years
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at ESPN. He is a good friend of yours. But
Jimmy's listening to the radio, it decides to call Randy
Galloway and we have that footage Randy Galloway and WBAP.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Before the game. I was listening to the radio. You
know they're talking about who's gonna win the game. I said, well,
no big deal. I told Rys House of this.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
We don't win, you can put it and and bedline.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We we'll win.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
We all thought, what in the hell did he just do?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You guys os, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Back from up.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And we're going to the different boats. I'm imagining Troy
watching film and Jimmy being at his house and that
chair looking at that a clarion had you too many heinekens? Did?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Y'all?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
See Clarence Hill said they reached out to Galloway and
he didn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I did see that tweet. I wonder what that. I
wonder why he's just like whatever he might be, just
so beyond it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, you know, ever man, love love love Randy. Anytime
I hear Troy in this whole thing, I just feel
sorry for him. Like they wasted so I mean, obviously
he did win three Super Bowls, but they wasted so
much of his of what he could have even done
more than that, you know, and they blew it with
all this BS.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They were constantly dealing this nonsense.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
If you look at the what happened with the San
Francisco forty nine ers and the amount of time they
stayed dominant, that's because they had and I'm not doing
like a hole Jerry the gm LA, but it does
go to show you that he didn't know what he
was doing, and they didn't have football people in place,
because they had the ability to extend that another four
or five years, but they made so many bad decisions.
(15:35):
Just compare it to the forty nine ers. The forty
nine ers, I mean, that's a thing that last fifteen years.
I was glad they left that in there.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Carmen Policy talking about our value is in Super Bowl trophies,
and like, I mean, it's a direct shot at Jerry,
which I'll say, I'm listening to some friends talk about this,
and just I have talked to a few people about this,
and a lot of people they are like cowboys fans
who are just frustrated right now, and I think they
kind of don't want to hear it, and they're like,
(16:03):
it's just, you know, it's a big lap dance for Jerry,
And I'm like, man, I think Jerry looks horrible in
the first four episodes, right. I haven't got the five
through eight yet, but in the first four, I think
Jerry looks bad.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And a lot of this, I hear what you're saying,
and I have seen a lot of that too. People
call it a puff piece. That guy who wrote the
book of the most skating book about it, you know
that guy. Yeah, Pearlman called it an h job for Jerry,
and I'm like, I get it. Some people feel that way.
And it ultimately, as you pointed out earlier, again, Jerry
had the final say in what airs or what doesn't air.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But I thought it was I mean, he doesn't look
great and a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think now they did skip over some of the
stuff like the black light in the in the cow,
you know, any of the discretions, the maritally or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean, but they didn't get into every single thing.
But it's not It's not a straight fluff piece, no, And.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think the main reason for that is, though, is
the story is such that you can't you can't do
pure propaganda because that would be unwatchable. But it is like,
even the way this episode is positioned with Jimmy versus
Jerry and how that unfolded, ultimately Jerry gets the final say.
But again, you can't tell anything close to the real
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story without Jerry taking his lumps.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, for sure, let's do one more here. This is
the feud continuing on.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
By the time we got to the Super Bowl, it
became apparent that there was some tension between the two
of them.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Here you go, I guess because we did not dispel
the myth.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Everybody thought that we were the best of friends.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Socially, our lifestyles are completely different.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
You know. Some of our early problems started in the
ninety two season. He said, there's going to be a
camera in the draft room. ESPN called and said, would
you guys let us put cameras in the draft got
thought somebody might enjoy singing every aspect of this thing,
and he said, you know, when you're making a trader,
when you're doing something, you'll reach over and talk to
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me until we can go over because the camera's going
to be honest. Now, that just didn't happen. There was
no acting in the draft room. I was involve and
every decision.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That was made it just kind of hit me wrong.
I wasn't in this thing for show.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
During that ninety three season, when I found out Jimmy
was flirting with Jacksonville, not only did that violate league rules,
but I also felt that Jimmy was not loyal and
I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This loyal team, Dude's there's let's go. I want to
hit a couple things very quick. There's a couple of
things there. To me, that's a great example of it
showing both guys being bad, right. It shows their ego
smashing in each other because one Jerry gets to position is, hey,
that's not true. When everybody knows it's true. It's been
talked about for decades. Okay, But number two, that whole
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Jimmy saying I wasn't doing it for show. They just
showed us a montage of four commercials he was in. Yeah, yeah,
and he called into Galloway right and put on a show.
They're all full of it. Their egos are gigantic, and
that's what that's what makes it so interesting. But dude,
Jerry was absolutely putting on a show. He started the
entire series off by saying he was putting on a show, right,
(19:14):
And he was great with that part of it. He's
a great owner. Yeah, he's a terrible GM, but he
is a great owner in terms of I don't know,
thinking of new innovative ideas to make revenue for his
team and for the league. And yes, get show the Draft,
of course, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Show the Draft.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's a great idea, right, where it gets to hey, man,
act like I'm really doing something over here, right, and
is it bad?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean, those were those sunglasses. Jerry was wearing some
crazy glass What were those? Let me just say episode
when we come back. I could not believe that Before
Super Bowl twenty eight, Jerry and Jimmy did a combined
interview with Bob Costas about their feud. Oh my god,
we'll get that next.
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Speaker 1 (20:18):
This thing's big. It is big. Episode four of America's Team,
The Game War and His Cowboys. So we're before Super
Bowl twenty eight, nineteen ninety three, and truly, I guess
might have slipped into the calendar. Youre in nineteen ninety
four and the Super Bowl's on NBC, and obviously there
is it's already out there the public and in the
media that Jerry and Jimmy aren't quite getting along very well.
(20:40):
So Bob Costas, one of the world's best interviewers at
the time, can sit down with Jerry and Jimmy before
the Super Bowl, and I think this aired like on
the Super Bowl pregame. It did it absolutely, This is
unbelievable to me.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, victory has one thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan
and at times you have selective amnesia. Always had a
little debate as to just exactly who and where the
idea of Traydon herschel Walker was. He didn't when he
misinterprets the facts.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Jimmy and Jerry have been a bit of a side
show here in Atlanta. This week, our Bob Costas was
able to sit down with both of them together.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Jerry, you told Frank to Ford, I'll tell you what
I could coach the blank out of this team. Jimmy,
do you respect his football knowledge?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah? I respect Jerry's football knowledge as an owner and
as somebody that loves the game.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You don't respect him as an equal that I'm inferring
to you in terms of football knowledge and judgment.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
You know, I know because I have spent thirty years,
you know, learning what I know right now?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Hey, I feel good when I'm around Jimmy. One of
the reasons I feel good is because I got a
lot of confidence in him. If Jimmy in any way
was so offensive to me that I couldn't live with it,
then we'd make changes.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And occasionally I do get offensive.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
If I didn't know better, I would think one of
those guys is lying.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But since I know better, I know both of them
are lying. I did get farted. Incredible, wasn't that good?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, it's super tense, and you can see it all
coming together, Jimmy saying he misinterprets things and selective and
mesia and all that stuff. If it was just a
straight puff piece, that wouldn't be in here, right, Like
it's putting holes in the side of Jerry's battleship along
the way to and and what is Jimmy supposed to say?
(22:32):
Of course, he doesn't look at him as an equal.
This guy who's been an oil man and you know,
sold catalog shoes while he was coaching. He's dedicated his
life to being a football coach and has won a
national championship. Right, he doesn't need of course he's not
an equal with the guy who hired him because he's
an expert. Yeah, and it's really funny too that Jerry
(22:53):
throws out the little implication there of, well, if he's
offending me, I'm going to fire him, which he's already
thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He's already.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
He's just putting that out there so everybody knows when
it gets to be too much, I will fire him.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And he's tell him yes, yes, yeah. And i'mly like,
there's some great stories in this episode that I left out.
Emmett getting hurt and playing on the shoulder. Yeah, okay,
it's his it's his signature game, like going to all that,
and I'm sitting there going, man, we're not gonna have
that because it's getting overshadowed of all this juicy Jerry
Jimmy stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Which is a real, you know way to look at
all of this. Yeah, that's why I talk about them
wasting so much of Troy's career. All these guys, they
it was waste. I mean, yes, they got three Super Bowls,
but what else could they have done if they didn't
have the circus at all times? Do you know why
they sat down and did that puff or that not
puff piece, but did that piece with Bob Costas because
(23:43):
they weren't concerned. They knew they were going to obliterate
the Bills. Yeah, like you know, you think and keep
in mind I could be wrong about this, but back
then it was still one week. Oh it was one
and that's why Troy played bad because he had a
concussion Pro Bowl, so after you didn't have the whole
two week build up. This was all Also, by the way,
this was the week that the ticket launched. Yeah, me
(24:03):
and Ben, we're working at business cards tomorrow and listening
to Donovan Miller walking the streets of Atlanta asking people
if they thought the name Mookie Blaylock was funny. That
was on the radio this very first week, and it
would think about that, think about how hard charging and
hard driving Jimmy was. And fast forward, they've already got
one super Bowl in and they're so confident they're just
(24:25):
gonna roll. Yeah, let's just sit down and do this
uncomfortable interview with Bob Costas instead of prepping for the game.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's also the final season before the NFL launched NFL
Sunday Ticket, like when that took over in the NFL's
big TV deals with Fox and CBS came through, so
there's a lot of stuff happening where it was just
like on the cusp of really blowing up. I have
two more clips to play. Okay, here's one more.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
This is post Globok call shop, but this is after
the Super Bowl win. This is post Globok call shop.
A man has us we have on everything and that
you could do. I wrapped at them on Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And his spid, and his effort is it's like you've
been the way these.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Players ways how beck everybody's kind of gotten a kick
out of him, Me and Jerry and thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That we were at each other throw cup. When you
win these kind of things, the only thing you're gonna
do at each other's throw to tucket.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
We had had enormous success, two super moves back to back.
But I'm more just a fund when it's a bad
time and a challenging time than I am in one
way of getting pats on the back, all on top
of the world and feverous thing's going good and he's
just won the Gold Cup and I'm liable to break
the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I thought, that's just a guy going I can be
the good guy, but also it can be the bad
guy at anytime. And then I can I say something please.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Because I really do think and part of it is
based on like what Steven was saying, and then just
the way that Jerry acted immediately after the Super Bowl.
I really think at that point in time, Jerry thought,
Jimmy will come to his senses, give me the credit
I deserve, and we'll work through this. And the whole time,
Jimmy's just thinking, man, I'm the king of the world.
Everyone get out of my way.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Let's see what happens for me next.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, And I think Jerry looks at it like pro wrestling,
Like He's like, let's hype this up, and let's let's
be entertaining, and let's sell tickets and let's be a
soap opera and all those things.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And Jimmy was like, no, I don't. I don't want
to do that. Just go over there and do a
deal with Nike.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
That's great, but I'm football, football, football, and I need
all the credit for everything that happens in football. And
Jerry's like, yeah, but this character I've created for this
wrestling thing, he needs to kind of be involved in
the football stuff too, and I think that that's at.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The crux of this thing.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Do you know what.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I might have read too much into this, but I
did think it was interesting the commercial where they're all
in the car together and Jerry's left in the dust. Yeah,
I mean I thought that that was like really telling
and really interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, I don't think Jerry's like, oh, yeah, that's
a great idea, let's do that. It's like it happened.
And then again, it might be just connecting the dots
after the fact, but that is what is happening. And
he wants to be on the same platform with Troy
and Jimmy and Michael, and he thinks he deserves to
and maybe he does because he made it all happen
with his business.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When you do a series like this, it's got eight episodes,
you have to have good cliffhangers. And I thought this
was maybe one of the greatest teases to the next
episode that I've ever seen. This is the end of
episode four, and tell you what's about to happen. In
episode five, We're covering the NFL orders meetings, Like this
is ed Warder and you're gonna hear Rick Goslin. Adolphises, Yeah,
we're covering the NFL orders meetings in Orlando.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
It's just a party coaches, general, managers, owners there. Why
we're sitting there? And Jerry came over and obviously it
had something to drink. We both had something to drink.
The night, as I remember it of him, was a
glancing by chance meeting. I raised my glass that I
was walking with and said, here's to our Super Bowl win.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
So I grabbed my drink and everybody grabs her drinke
and we start putting it up with the toast Jerry
and we look and Jimmy's sitting there basically with his
arms folder and there's no toast.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
One of the advantages of knowing someone is you often
can communicate with nothing but eyes. No word has to
come out.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But you're talking to me, baby, we're talking to But
we decide the nights over time to leave.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And after walking past Jerry's table, Jerry grabs a fistful
of my pants leg and he says, don't leave now,
and I said why not?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And he said, you'll miss the story of the year.
And I said, what's the story here?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And he said, I'm going to fire that mother, Jemmy Johnson,
that disloyal son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And now episode five so good. Yeah, and you said eight,
there's ten, there's ten. There's ten episodes that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's so unbelievably good. It's so good, I can't I
can't remember. I mean, look these like I was saying
the other day about the bulls thing, like, I don't
know in our lifetime, has there been a big docu
series made about any of our stuff, you know that
has been local and from our world that we experienced
(29:18):
in our life. We've just never had There's never been
a story this good. I mean, I would love it
if you know, the whole JD Nolan Ryan thing came
to be the problem with that is those guys didn't
get the job done. Yeah, you know, if they had
actually won the World series, it's a different story, right, right,
And I don't know that those guys will be interested
in participating in something like this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
JD has always taken the high road, like not wanted
to do, and then once once it was over, Nolan
went straight high road, right Yeah, I mean, no one's
voice would sound so crazy. Yeah, all right, well it's
incredible stuff. We will do the final episodes next week.
I hope everyone has an incredible weekend.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Stick around.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
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Ninety seven point one The Eagle Precess Break Avenge Amen
Cowboy Surprise, cow damn It. Episode four, America's team the
(00:21):
Gambler and his Cowboys starts off a super Bowl twenty
seven and it's a Cowboys and Bills and it's a
halftime and I thought this was pretty funny. I mean at.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Halftime to sneak out to see Michael Jackson, the smoke
came out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And he stood there like the stuff. He was like, bro,
do some stuff, Man, I get back in there. Jimmy's
gonna yell at me.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So I think that's probably the adventtime shows being crazy here.
I think before going before Michael Jackson, they used to
do stuff where it was like, you know, a bunch
of kid choirs out there and hands across America and.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
All that crime Grambling band got a lot of halftime show.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I think when Michael Jackson did that, that's the beginning
of it being a spectacle. So and I you know,
when we did the first few episodes, I was just
watching one episode at a time, but I couldn't wait.
I finished the whole thing now and so wow, I'm
going back. I'm trying to think about where we are here.
So is this after the first super Bowl? This is
the second one.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now this is the first one. Oh, this is the
very first one. Yeah, Okay, we're not to the second
one yet. So this is after the first Super Bowl.
Jerry and Jimmy at the podium.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
There were so many moves and turning points, which a
pinpoint one as the most important point in the history
of this franchise under your direction. Yes, it's pretty easy.
The very first one when I hired Jimmy Johnson to
be the coach.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, the biggest decision ever is the decision I made.
I mean, there is already and we learned through this
episode that tension had already been building behind the scenes.
But there they are. Happiest moment on the podium, just
when the super Bowl, what's the biggest moment. It's the one.
It's my decision. And even though the decision is a
(02:06):
conflident to Jimmy Johnson, Jimmy Johnson did not see it
as that.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I don't know if this is because of Jerry and Jimmy.
And it really happens later when Barry Switzer wins the
Super Bowl, and I don't think Jerry lets him look
at it. But whenever there's a whenever there's a podium situation.
I'm always very attuned to watching the people and how
they react with that trophy and who they give it to.
(02:31):
I watch it all the time. Yeah, I can't take
my eyes off It's amazing. When Oklahoma City thunder one there,
I was watching Sam Presty because of the way he
carries himself and all that, and you know, they all
got involved, but it was very much their whole attitude
was no, you take it, No you take it, No,
you take it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
This is that's my trophy, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I mean, it's like little elementary school kids and they
can't take their eye off it, and they reach for
it even though they know they shouldn't be. Yeah, thank
you for complimenting me. And my hands on it. Oh
my god, I gotta grab it. I love you, man,
You're the reason we got to give that back to me.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Don't touch me while I touched that Troy fight. This
is uh Emmett's holdout. We go to training camp Fastward
Training Camp nineteen ninety three, the Super Bowl champions. Everyone's there.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
A contract dispute with Jerry Jones is why it's been
four weeks of no Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
We're here.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
That's to call it Jerry Joneses in Dallas or you
want to stay to him.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Yeah, you haven't as work.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
This thing out.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
Willing to corporate with you if you will incorporate with
me Quan four years and seven te thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cowboys are off ring four years nine point one million,
So that's an eight billion dollar gap that seems likely
to keep Smith.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Animal contract negotiations are full of ambiguity.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I feel completely disrespected, but I have.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
A very high tolerance for ambiguity because I can go
longer than most and not have the answer.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And that was insulted, and you know, the tension started
to build.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Quarterback money and I just didn't have the money to
pay that because we hadn't turned the corner financially during
those times.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
It's gonna get paid millions of dollars, but maybe not
as many Midian as he would like to have.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Come on, now, what are we talking about? You getting
Jersey sales out in the yam with me?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Greg?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Any sign yet of MT No, no sign of where's
em im It's is a distinction, you guys.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
I don't think it hard and everybody, because every question
asks what about him?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
About it?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I think we're all a little bit tired of talking
about the mt situation.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
That's a year before this NFL salary cap, you know,
it took place. So I was sitting here, uh and
and I don't know if they get into it later.
I've only watched the first five episodes so far. But
Jerry was the guy ram roding the cap because he
figured that gave the Cowboys an advantage in a finite system.
So it's so wild to sit here and talk about
(04:59):
Jerry wanted Emmett's entire contract to be the value of
one year of Nauseie Marshall. Yeah, I have times changed.
I was thinking about that too, like any of these contracts,
like later with Dion, just like they're tiny, they're minuscule deals.
Dak's getting sixty a year, Okay, but what year was this?
This was after So this was following his third year
in the league, so it's going into his fourth year,
(05:20):
all right. So he was coming off Emmett was coming
off one thousand, seven hundred and thirteen yards and eighteen touchdowns. Yeah, rushing,
he was back to back rushing title.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Of the year in two rushing titles.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, And dude, he would go, I mean, I mean
Obviously he's the all time leading rusher, but I mean
if you look at some of those following years. I mean,
obviously that next year he missed those couple games, but
I mean after that ninety four, you know, he had
fourteen hundred and eighty four yards twenty one touchdowns, ninety
five seventeen seventy three yards twenty five touchdowns. Like he
(05:53):
was on one of the greatest runs for running back ever.
I mean, he is the greatest running back ever.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Thought he was under contract. And this is coming up next,
the parallels, because if Mikah doesn't play once we get
going in about ten days from now or thirteen days
from now. What happened when Emmett didn't play the first
two games in nineteen ninety three. That's next on ninety
seven to one.
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We're so enamored with this Netflix series, America's team, the
Gambler and his Cowboys. We're on episode four and we're
picking up with the Emmett out for Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So the season's got to start and Emitt's not under contract.
Here's how it went.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Derek Lafick simply blocks it, and they'd like the flock.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Ticket if you missed that Toil Cowboys and the Cowboys
are all on lawn.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Excise me what could have done for those two weeks
they let the negotiators and then and the owners talking
about as man, I want to talk about my football.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Differences, classic break into the play. I want the first
that man if I up and it's picked up like
Ty Williams a buff off.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I've always dropped through.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
Oh and two, you know, we're fighting a lot of
things right now.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We're fighting more than just the game.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
And I thought, our guys, oh boy, you know, it
just drove me absolutely damn crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
I had beaten everybody to the dressing room and Charles
comes in and he says, we've got the greatest running
back in the world. And we're sitting here playing with
a rookie.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
My anger turned into rage. And when that happened, I
through the helmet, and.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
The helmet sticks in the sheet, rocks right beside where
I'm standing. As he comes in the room, Charles, let's
please don't do something that both of us can't get
over there.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Helmon almost hit Jerry saw almost got cut. But Jerry
signed Emmett the next week.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Man, this is a legendary story and there's so much
of it.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
I love.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Why did Jerry have to make up that it stuck
in the wall. It did not stick in the wall.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Though I know it's a.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Great story that his head almost got smashed by a helmet,
But all I could think about was, can you imagine
being Lassic in that room? As Charles Haley is yelling,
we've got the best running back in the world and
we're stuck with a rookie, and then he throws his helmet,
Think about what that kid is thinking.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
On the opposite side of the room. Had a chance.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
If you were to put this in a movie about
pro sports, you would say this is unrealistic. Yeah, that
no one would ever do that. Come on, dude, this
is too far and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They're probably to leave out a bunch of stuff that
would even be better movie. Also, Jimmy Johnson, legendary coach,
probably composed all the time, and here he is at
the podier. Guys, boy, he was not great at the podium.
He walked off. Yeah, that's amazing. He was so beaten down.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
He didn't even give the generic my guys played hard.
He was like, Ah, these guys didn't play hard.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
F M.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
I can't deal with this. So im it returns, get signed,
and then the Cowboys become the biggest thing since slash spread.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
Once we got em back on the field, we certainly
started winning rooms. But beyond that, the power and the
image of the Dallas Cowboys in verse everywhere. You can
turn on the TV and then see them on commercials.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
You got to run to McDonald's.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I'm doing brand deal, make a wish TV shows.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
I learned about you.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yet the movies had all the baddy girls in the
world at the time of all the country move music,
gla oh late red call it now women must just
go batty.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
That's where the value is.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Carrie Kells has found the wing Cornua on an idea.
I'm the more franchise in the work, so I want
to make sure that it's a soapop for you around here.
I did think the music was a little too loud
during all of that. I love seeing that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I love the score. Is that are they are they
tying music of the time to it? Was that at
the same time. That's around the same time. I don't
know if it's the exact right yere, but that's that's Sammy,
hagar Vandlin right here right now. I agree with you
at times you're like, damn, that is loud. But man,
I love the production value behind this. Man, it is
really well done.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
And just seeing all those clips from those old TV
shows and Married with Children and Coach and all that stuff.
I mean, there's a Coach episode where the wife of
the coach wanted to get Troy Aikman's DNA almost frozen. Like, yeah,
it's pretty crazy. Uh, this is where Jerry and Jimmy
and the feud kind of begins. They kind of go
(10:50):
back in time and discuss when it all started, the
feud Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
He had a new franchise they called me.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
Is Jimmy Johnson gonna stay with the Cowboys contract for
the next five years.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I've always tried to do things that were fun that
I enjoyed. After the first Super Bowl, things changed, and
then Jerry and I, you know, we started, you know,
hollering about who got credit for what.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
The controversial book The Boys is Hot reading in Big
Tim Bilis says that on two or three occasions last season,
Johnson came close to quitting.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
When we first went to the Cowboys, he was a businessman.
I was the football guy. But he wants to be
the guy on everything. Jimmy has to be the guy.
Speaker 8 (11:36):
If he does something, he wants that recognition that's important
to him.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
My understanding was Jimmy and I we were in this
thing together. We together.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's so good the way that they're laying it out,
and you know, I mean, obviously Jerry's going to have
final say on the way this is presented. But I
think I think it, you know, around here, it's always
been on Jerry screwed this up. I mean, I think
they're doing a good job of showing man, Jimmy was
an ass and Jimmy's complicit in this just as much
as Jerry is. And I do believe that if Jimmy
(12:12):
was willing to give Jerry a little bit of credit.
But man, Jimmy was headed down this path regardless. Yeah, yeah, agreed,
and they do further explore that path. All right, coming
up next, let's keep this going. This is all fantastic.
Don't go anywhere. We continue breaking down America's team, The
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We're looking at episode four and with more on that,
here's k T.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
So really, you know, they get into that big Super
Bowl win and into the ninety three season, Emmett holds out.
They lose the first two games, but then it becomes
a bit of a redemption story. The Cowboys get huge
during that time, and I couldn't help but think to
nineteen ninety three. The NFL was busting, and they're going
to get into it as we move forward, the TV
deals and all that stuff. But when you think about
(13:27):
all of that stuff that was going on, they really
then in the back half of episode four, really lock
in on the Jimmy and Jerry feud. So I love
this so much. Randy Galloway used to do a show
on WBAP and there's a lot of calls on that show.
And you guys obviously worked with Randy for many years
(13:48):
at ESPN. He is a good friend of yours. But
Jimmy's listening to the radio, it decides to call Randy
Galloway and we have that footage Randy Galloway and WBAP.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Before the game. I was listening to the radio. You
know they're talking about who's gonna win the game. I said, well,
no big deal. I told Rys House of this.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
We don't win, you can put it and and bedline.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
We we'll win.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
We all thought, what in the hell did he just do?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You guys os, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Back from up.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And we're going to the different boats. I'm imagining Troy
watching film and Jimmy being at his house and that
chair looking at that a clarion had you too many heinekens? Did?
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Y'all?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
See Clarence Hill said they reached out to Galloway and
he didn't want to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I did see that tweet. I wonder what that. I
wonder why he's just like whatever he might be, just
so beyond it.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, you know, ever man, love love love Randy. Anytime
I hear Troy in this whole thing, I just feel
sorry for him. Like they wasted so I mean, obviously
he did win three Super Bowls, but they wasted so
much of his of what he could have even done
more than that, you know, and they blew it with
all this BS.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
They were constantly dealing this nonsense.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
If you look at the what happened with the San
Francisco forty nine ers and the amount of time they
stayed dominant, that's because they had and I'm not doing
like a hole Jerry the gm LA, but it does
go to show you that he didn't know what he
was doing, and they didn't have football people in place,
because they had the ability to extend that another four
or five years, but they made so many bad decisions.
(15:35):
Just compare it to the forty nine ers. The forty
nine ers, I mean, that's a thing that last fifteen years.
I was glad they left that in there.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Carmen Policy talking about our value is in Super Bowl trophies,
and like, I mean, it's a direct shot at Jerry,
which I'll say, I'm listening to some friends talk about this,
and just I have talked to a few people about this,
and a lot of people they are like cowboys fans
who are just frustrated right now, and I think they
kind of don't want to hear it, and they're like,
(16:03):
it's just, you know, it's a big lap dance for Jerry,
And I'm like, man, I think Jerry looks horrible in
the first four episodes, right. I haven't got the five
through eight yet, but in the first four, I think
Jerry looks bad.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And a lot of this, I hear what you're saying,
and I have seen a lot of that too. People
call it a puff piece. That guy who wrote the
book of the most skating book about it, you know
that guy. Yeah, Pearlman called it an h job for Jerry,
and I'm like, I get it. Some people feel that way.
And it ultimately, as you pointed out earlier, again, Jerry
had the final say in what airs or what doesn't air.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
But I thought it was I mean, he doesn't look
great and a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
I think now they did skip over some of the
stuff like the black light in the in the cow,
you know, any of the discretions, the maritally or whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I mean, but they didn't get into every single thing.
But it's not It's not a straight fluff piece, no, And.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I think the main reason for that is, though, is
the story is such that you can't you can't do
pure propaganda because that would be unwatchable. But it is like,
even the way this episode is positioned with Jimmy versus
Jerry and how that unfolded, ultimately Jerry gets the final say.
But again, you can't tell anything close to the real
(17:16):
story without Jerry taking his lumps.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, for sure, let's do one more here. This is
the feud continuing on.
Speaker 7 (17:21):
By the time we got to the Super Bowl, it
became apparent that there was some tension between the two
of them.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Here you go, I guess because we did not dispel
the myth.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Everybody thought that we were the best of friends.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
Socially, our lifestyles are completely different.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
You know. Some of our early problems started in the
ninety two season. He said, there's going to be a
camera in the draft room. ESPN called and said, would
you guys let us put cameras in the draft got
thought somebody might enjoy singing every aspect of this thing,
and he said, you know, when you're making a trader,
when you're doing something, you'll reach over and talk to
(18:00):
me until we can go over because the camera's going
to be honest. Now, that just didn't happen. There was
no acting in the draft room. I was involve and
every decision.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
That was made it just kind of hit me wrong.
I wasn't in this thing for show.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
During that ninety three season, when I found out Jimmy
was flirting with Jacksonville, not only did that violate league rules,
but I also felt that Jimmy was not loyal and
I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
This loyal team, Dude's there's let's go. I want to
hit a couple things very quick. There's a couple of
things there. To me, that's a great example of it
showing both guys being bad, right. It shows their ego
smashing in each other because one Jerry gets to position is, hey,
that's not true. When everybody knows it's true. It's been
talked about for decades. Okay, But number two, that whole
(18:52):
Jimmy saying I wasn't doing it for show. They just
showed us a montage of four commercials he was in. Yeah, yeah,
and he called into Galloway right and put on a show.
They're all full of it. Their egos are gigantic, and
that's what that's what makes it so interesting. But dude,
Jerry was absolutely putting on a show. He started the
entire series off by saying he was putting on a show, right,
(19:14):
And he was great with that part of it. He's
a great owner. Yeah, he's a terrible GM, but he
is a great owner in terms of I don't know,
thinking of new innovative ideas to make revenue for his
team and for the league. And yes, get show the Draft,
of course, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Show the Draft.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That's a great idea, right, where it gets to hey, man,
act like I'm really doing something over here, right, and
is it bad?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I mean, those were those sunglasses. Jerry was wearing some
crazy glass What were those? Let me just say episode
when we come back. I could not believe that Before
Super Bowl twenty eight, Jerry and Jimmy did a combined
interview with Bob Costas about their feud. Oh my god,
we'll get that next.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
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Speaker 1 (20:18):
This thing's big. It is big. Episode four of America's Team,
The Game War and His Cowboys. So we're before Super
Bowl twenty eight, nineteen ninety three, and truly, I guess
might have slipped into the calendar. Youre in nineteen ninety
four and the Super Bowl's on NBC, and obviously there
is it's already out there the public and in the
media that Jerry and Jimmy aren't quite getting along very well.
(20:40):
So Bob Costas, one of the world's best interviewers at
the time, can sit down with Jerry and Jimmy before
the Super Bowl, and I think this aired like on
the Super Bowl pregame. It did it absolutely, This is
unbelievable to me.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Well, victory has one thousand fathers. Defeat is an orphan
and at times you have selective amnesia. Always had a
little debate as to just exactly who and where the
idea of Traydon herschel Walker was. He didn't when he
misinterprets the facts.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Jimmy and Jerry have been a bit of a side
show here in Atlanta. This week, our Bob Costas was
able to sit down with both of them together.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Jerry, you told Frank to Ford, I'll tell you what
I could coach the blank out of this team. Jimmy,
do you respect his football knowledge?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
Yeah? I respect Jerry's football knowledge as an owner and
as somebody that loves the game.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
You don't respect him as an equal that I'm inferring
to you in terms of football knowledge and judgment.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
You know, I know because I have spent thirty years,
you know, learning what I know right now?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Hey, I feel good when I'm around Jimmy. One of
the reasons I feel good is because I got a
lot of confidence in him. If Jimmy in any way
was so offensive to me that I couldn't live with it,
then we'd make changes.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
And occasionally I do get offensive.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
If I didn't know better, I would think one of
those guys is lying.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But since I know better, I know both of them
are lying. I did get farted. Incredible, wasn't that good?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, it's super tense, and you can see it all
coming together, Jimmy saying he misinterprets things and selective and
mesia and all that stuff. If it was just a
straight puff piece, that wouldn't be in here, right, Like
it's putting holes in the side of Jerry's battleship along
the way to and and what is Jimmy supposed to say?
(22:32):
Of course, he doesn't look at him as an equal.
This guy who's been an oil man and you know,
sold catalog shoes while he was coaching. He's dedicated his
life to being a football coach and has won a
national championship. Right, he doesn't need of course he's not
an equal with the guy who hired him because he's
an expert. Yeah, and it's really funny too that Jerry
(22:53):
throws out the little implication there of, well, if he's
offending me, I'm going to fire him, which he's already
thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
He's already.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
He's just putting that out there so everybody knows when
it gets to be too much, I will fire him.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
And he's tell him yes, yes, yeah. And i'mly like,
there's some great stories in this episode that I left out.
Emmett getting hurt and playing on the shoulder. Yeah, okay,
it's his it's his signature game, like going to all that,
and I'm sitting there going, man, we're not gonna have
that because it's getting overshadowed of all this juicy Jerry
Jimmy stuff.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Which is a real, you know way to look at
all of this. Yeah, that's why I talk about them
wasting so much of Troy's career. All these guys, they
it was waste. I mean, yes, they got three Super Bowls,
but what else could they have done if they didn't
have the circus at all times? Do you know why
they sat down and did that puff or that not
puff piece, but did that piece with Bob Costas because
(23:43):
they weren't concerned. They knew they were going to obliterate
the Bills. Yeah, like you know, you think and keep
in mind I could be wrong about this, but back
then it was still one week. Oh it was one
and that's why Troy played bad because he had a
concussion Pro Bowl, so after you didn't have the whole
two week build up. This was all Also, by the way,
this was the week that the ticket launched. Yeah, me
(24:03):
and Ben, we're working at business cards tomorrow and listening
to Donovan Miller walking the streets of Atlanta asking people
if they thought the name Mookie Blaylock was funny. That
was on the radio this very first week, and it
would think about that, think about how hard charging and
hard driving Jimmy was. And fast forward, they've already got
one super Bowl in and they're so confident they're just
(24:25):
gonna roll. Yeah, let's just sit down and do this
uncomfortable interview with Bob Costas instead of prepping for the game.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It's also the final season before the NFL launched NFL
Sunday Ticket, like when that took over in the NFL's
big TV deals with Fox and CBS came through, so
there's a lot of stuff happening where it was just
like on the cusp of really blowing up. I have
two more clips to play. Okay, here's one more.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
This is post Globok call shop, but this is after
the Super Bowl win. This is post Globok call shop.
A man has us we have on everything and that
you could do. I wrapped at them on Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And his spid, and his effort is it's like you've
been the way these.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Players ways how beck everybody's kind of gotten a kick
out of him, Me and Jerry and thinking.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
That we were at each other throw cup. When you
win these kind of things, the only thing you're gonna
do at each other's throw to tucket.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
We had had enormous success, two super moves back to back.
But I'm more just a fund when it's a bad
time and a challenging time than I am in one
way of getting pats on the back, all on top
of the world and feverous thing's going good and he's
just won the Gold Cup and I'm liable to break
the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
I thought, that's just a guy going I can be
the good guy, but also it can be the bad
guy at anytime. And then I can I say something please.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Because I really do think and part of it is
based on like what Steven was saying, and then just
the way that Jerry acted immediately after the Super Bowl.
I really think at that point in time, Jerry thought,
Jimmy will come to his senses, give me the credit
I deserve, and we'll work through this. And the whole time,
Jimmy's just thinking, man, I'm the king of the world.
Everyone get out of my way.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Let's see what happens for me next.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, And I think Jerry looks at it like pro wrestling,
Like He's like, let's hype this up, and let's let's
be entertaining, and let's sell tickets and let's be a
soap opera and all those things.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
And Jimmy was like, no, I don't. I don't want
to do that. Just go over there and do a
deal with Nike.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
That's great, but I'm football, football, football, and I need
all the credit for everything that happens in football. And
Jerry's like, yeah, but this character I've created for this
wrestling thing, he needs to kind of be involved in
the football stuff too, and I think that that's at.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
The crux of this thing.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Do you know what.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
I might have read too much into this, but I
did think it was interesting the commercial where they're all
in the car together and Jerry's left in the dust. Yeah,
I mean I thought that that was like really telling
and really interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I mean, I don't think Jerry's like, oh, yeah, that's
a great idea, let's do that. It's like it happened.
And then again, it might be just connecting the dots
after the fact, but that is what is happening. And
he wants to be on the same platform with Troy
and Jimmy and Michael, and he thinks he deserves to
and maybe he does because he made it all happen
with his business.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
When you do a series like this, it's got eight episodes,
you have to have good cliffhangers. And I thought this
was maybe one of the greatest teases to the next
episode that I've ever seen. This is the end of
episode four, and tell you what's about to happen. In
episode five, We're covering the NFL orders meetings, Like this
is ed Warder and you're gonna hear Rick Goslin. Adolphises, Yeah,
we're covering the NFL orders meetings in Orlando.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
It's just a party coaches, general, managers, owners there. Why
we're sitting there? And Jerry came over and obviously it
had something to drink. We both had something to drink.
The night, as I remember it of him, was a
glancing by chance meeting. I raised my glass that I
was walking with and said, here's to our Super Bowl win.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
So I grabbed my drink and everybody grabs her drinke
and we start putting it up with the toast Jerry
and we look and Jimmy's sitting there basically with his
arms folder and there's no toast.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
One of the advantages of knowing someone is you often
can communicate with nothing but eyes. No word has to
come out.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But you're talking to me, baby, we're talking to But
we decide the nights over time to leave.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
And after walking past Jerry's table, Jerry grabs a fistful
of my pants leg and he says, don't leave now,
and I said why not?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And he said, you'll miss the story of the year.
And I said, what's the story here?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
And he said, I'm going to fire that mother, Jemmy Johnson,
that disloyal son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
And now episode five so good. Yeah, and you said eight,
there's ten, there's ten. There's ten episodes that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
It's so unbelievably good. It's so good, I can't I
can't remember. I mean, look these like I was saying
the other day about the bulls thing, like, I don't
know in our lifetime, has there been a big docu
series made about any of our stuff, you know that
has been local and from our world that we experienced
(29:18):
in our life. We've just never had There's never been
a story this good. I mean, I would love it
if you know, the whole JD Nolan Ryan thing came
to be the problem with that is those guys didn't
get the job done. Yeah, you know, if they had
actually won the World series, it's a different story, right, right,
And I don't know that those guys will be interested
in participating in something like this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
JD has always taken the high road, like not wanted
to do, and then once once it was over, Nolan
went straight high road, right Yeah, I mean, no one's
voice would sound so crazy. Yeah, all right, well it's
incredible stuff. We will do the final episodes next week.
I hope everyone has an incredible weekend.
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