August 26, 2025 • 28 mins
Join Ben, Skin, KT, and Krystina as they discuss and breakdown episode 6 of American's Team: The Gambler and his Cowboys, the 8 part docuseries on Netflix. In this episode, walk down memory lane with Troy Aikman cursing at his players, meanwhile the Cowboys win another Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cowboy surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So this is where we pick it up. Yesterday we
reviewed episode five of America's Team, The Gammore and His Cowboys,
the eight part series on Netflix, and we cover the
divorce between Jerry and Jimmy, the hiring of Barry Switzer,
and then the Cowboys ultimately fail to get back to
the Super Bowl. They lose in the NFC Championship Game
to the forty nine Ers. So episode six, what do
you gotta do in that off season? Well, you gotta
(00:39):
sign Dion Sanders from the forty nine Ers. You gotta
sign him.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Come in ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Jerry says, we can get you know what I'm saying.
But if we're going to coasts, I wanted to hit
your thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
What do you mean to get my thought?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You don't need to get my thoughts? Hell are you
talking about?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
We can get Dea, We get Deaf. It was a
lot of money.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
I'm gonna always voice an opinion, even if it's it's
not his opinion. You know, we need to make sure
this is going to be good for the future of
the organization.
Speaker 7 (01:05):
Before we signed it, I'm in one room and Steven
was with me and Deon's agent Eugene Parker was sitting up.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
He said, let me start out with Eugene, just the
two of us, so we don't two on one.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
So I got in there with him and we made
the deal.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Dad walks in on never forget with this big smile,
and I guess I think we got this done, and
I go, what.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
Well, Steven grabs me, shoves me up against the door,
and I started laughing and I said.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
What are you going to do? Hit your dad? Are
you nuts? I said, I'm not going to hit you.
But Din, we don't have to pay that much.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Why don't you do this, this, this, and this, Steven,
you don't understand we've done this deal.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's why I think there are actually going to be
better once Steven's Fullia George, Yeah, there's always got that
reasonable factor in. Okay, that's really good to hear that, actually.
Speaker 8 (01:56):
Yeah, and then now we learned back in the day,
Jerry used to talk to important agents.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 9 (02:02):
By the way, I've said this on the air, I
was told somebody close to the Jones family that if
Steven does take over someday, he'll hire a GM.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
That's awesome to hear, just awesome to hear love the
use of that song too.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I put a spell on you. Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So this is the next time I've labeled this Jerry
breaking all the rules.
Speaker 10 (02:23):
The league says the Cowboys are in violation of an
agreement with NFL properties.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
If we let Mavericks go out on their own, they'll
destroy the league what we've.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Normally put in a sponsorship. We're looking at Nike.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
The rules in the NFL at that time we were
prohibited from making a deal with Nike.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Sponsorship was done.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
At the league level, and so that if the league
signed with Reebok or Coca Cola, everybody went with Reebok
and Coca Cola.
Speaker 11 (02:53):
The Cowboys account for a fourth of all the merchandise sold,
but get only a thirtieth of the profits.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Plan was each of the clubs do their own selling
of their own marks and logos.
Speaker 12 (03:05):
Jones announced the sale of stadium soft rink rights to
Pepsi for some twenty million dollars over ten years, in
defiance of the leaguest huge national deal with Coca Cola.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
So with our great game end name, we need to
be associating ourselves with the Heisman Trophy winners in every
field and Phil Knight and Nike does that, and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
They go into the Nike deal that he does, and
it makes every owner of mad. He does on his own.
Speaker 8 (03:31):
Think about that though, think about why. There's a couple
reasons why it makes every other owner mad. But the
main reason is that they know they can't get the
money he gets and they're all siphoning off of his name.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, he just passed him in the left lane like that.
Speaker 9 (03:45):
To be a responsible for a quarter of the revenue
but only getting the thirtieth of the share. Yeah, you
know this is where you're watching this going, Okay, Jerry's badass.
This is actually good. Jerry's doing good things here. All
those things he was doing business wise.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
We're great.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
And the other reason too, Ben why it's like they
get mad, but he just changed everything on the TV deal,
which they all benefit.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Like he blew up football.
Speaker 8 (04:13):
For sure, Each and every one of those owners gained
just so much value in their franchise is because of
that National TV deal.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, football might have been the favorite for a
lot of people. I don't really know what the pulse
was like in nineteen ninety three or ninety four, but
we've for my whole life. Football has been king Yeah,
and it's largely because of that TV deal. It absolutely was.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
That was when the NFL passed Major League Baseball and
has never looked back since, and it's lapped the field.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
When we come.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Back, let's really dive into the owners getting mad at Jerry.
Some lawsuits back and forth, and my god, Troy Aateman
hated Barry Switzer all right, now here is KTS so
he picked up. The owners are mad at Jerry Jones again.
This is episode six of the Netflix series and the Cowboys.
They're mad at Jerry Jones for a lot of reasons
because he's a be honest here. He's won two of
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the last three Super Bowls. His team's kind of wild ass,
and he's going rogue on a lot of things, including
some marketing deals that the leagu's all agreed to.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Once again, Jerry Jones as a business deal against NFL properties.
Speaker 13 (05:14):
They think.
Speaker 12 (05:15):
The owners are trying to figure out if Jones is
a genius or he's just a jerky.
Speaker 10 (05:19):
He was dumbing his nose for the league and moving
ahead with his plan to reconfigure the way the NFL
did business.
Speaker 14 (05:26):
It was hard not to notice the Cowboys have gone
to corporates, freed to.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Going to take over football.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I'm in the NFL to compete for Super Bowls.
Speaker 10 (05:35):
By going against the league structure and signing his own deal,
he's able to generate that much more money the league owners,
aren't you happy about it?
Speaker 13 (05:42):
With the spirit of cooperation and partnership in the league
has obviously I think he've been violated.
Speaker 12 (05:46):
The owner's biggest fear maybe that Jones is using the
millions from these sponsorship deals to sign top free agents.
Speaker 10 (05:53):
They were two hundred thousand dollars under the hour Captain.
All of a sudden, Jerry Mack owned thirteen million.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I didn't understand that because the salary cap was put
into place. So what do we it was? It put
it into place in nineteen ninety four. We're in nineteen
ninety five. Now.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
I don't know how far ahead you are on the series.
And I don't even ever want except the last one,
okay do they so keep in mind? And they may
not even get into it cause I don't have time
to get into everything. A couple of years later, the
forty nine Ers and the Cowboys are both going to
be taken to the mat for violating the rules of
the salary cap circumventing. That's the first time you ever
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started hearing the word circumventing the salary cap. So, because
it's not a hard cap, there's mechanisms to get around it,
and so I think that's probably wasn't a hard cap.
It wasn't hard cap. And also keep in mind before
that they had Plan B free agency. But that's the
whole thing about being able to spread money around and
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move it to different years and all.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
This kind of stuff. They didn't really get into that. Yeah, yeah,
they can't. That'd be too much. So that as Jerry
would come up with too playing B free agency.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
When you're talking about you know, there's a cap number,
but you come up with this other money.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's kind of what they're talking Each team gets one abortion,
you can abort a contract.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Thirty I'm seeing nineteen ninety four the NFL salary cap
that was set for thirty four point six million dollars.
That's crazy, which is about what Mike is asking for. No,
I said, Max's asked for more than that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Actually, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Okay, So there's all these lawsuits that are happening, and
you're gonna get some emotional Jerry at the end.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Out of control.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
That is the phrase several NFL owners have used to
describe Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, and is so called ambush
marketing tactics.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, today the owners huddled in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
When you have a partner who's willing to say I
don't care about your rules, how do you stop them?
Speaker 14 (07:50):
The NFL is taking America's team to court for some
three hundred million dollars when.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It takes a while for a league to suer club.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
And that would have taken the team.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
And I know there is no doubt in my mind
that the NFL is trying to intimidate the Dallas Cowboys.
And I understand politics, but intimidation being a bully, be.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Careful, but I was cutting and shooting.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's official Cowboys owner Jerry Jones due the NFL today
seven hundred and fifty million anti trust.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's an illegal cartel, and it is a cartel.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
At the league meeting, we had finished up a lot
of the business and they said, now, Jerry, you're gonna
have to leave because of your lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I walked almost.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Out of the room, and then all of a sudden,
I just swelled up and teared up, turned around to
all the owners. I said, guys, I want you to
know this. If you win, I know you're gonna take
the team, But if I win, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Collect air fruit. Penny shoot cutting me deep here walked down.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
My favorite part of the whole thing, because he was
talking about tearing up, and I thought he was going
to say something sentimental like this means the most to
me and I love you guys, and I really want
to He turned around and said, do not f with me.
I'm coming for every penny.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It is amazing how much money is spent by rich
people suing one another.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And that's why the best job ever is lawyer. Yeah, yea, because.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
There's always, I mean, dude, the whole history of the
Hunt family in this city. Like we know all the
nice Hunts like Dan and Clark and all those people,
but you know, there's money all over throughout the city
that's been split in different ways because of how far
back that family goes. And there's lawyers whose entire job
is just maintaining.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I imagine Proro same way. Yeah, just all these big
rich names, so many lawsuits, dude.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Ross pro Junior and Mark Cubans were suing each other constantly.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm amazed at how much. And I don't know like
the details. I mean, you got like breaking news emails
all the time, like Trump has so many lawsuits. Yeah,
and he just files with Ken Paxton here down Like
he just files a ton of lawsuits yep. And I'm like,
does that cost you money to go? You must be
making the money back somehow, So I've always been kind
of confused by that. When we come back from the break,
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Troy Aikman and Barry Switzer, I mean, they really get
into Troy almost wrecking the team because of his hatred
for Barry Switzer. And I was shocked to learn all
of this. And we'll play the wild audio.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Neck you for rolling with us today and every day
we are examining America's team The Gambler and his Cowboys,
the Netflix docu series, episode six.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But I want to mention this real quick. We were
talking last night.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
I was with my buddies and we were talking about,
you know, how much the Cowboys are worth now and
they've been valued at twelve billion dollars or whatever that is.
And you know, you hear some of the numbers in
this docu series is you know Dion's contract, because Dion
was thirty five grand, thirty five million, rather thirty four
to something like that, thirty four million, and they were
like a father and son were about to fight over it.
(10:45):
And now you know Dak makes sixty million per year.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, almost seven at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like it's crazy, how how rapidly thinks.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
And I don't think I ever really spend time thinking about,
you know, billions of dollars, and you know, when you
look at that valuation, you think about a billionaire. And
Mark Cubans even talked to us about there being middle
class billionaires, guys who just have through four billion, and
then like the Addleson's have thirty five billion or whatever
it is. But somebody told me this last night. A
(11:15):
million seconds is roughly eleven point five days. Okay, a
million seconds is roughly eleven point five days. A billion
seconds is approximately thirty one point seven years.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Damn big difference, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
And the Cowboys are worth twelve billion dollars and wouldn't
even ever sell for that. All right, let's continue breaking
down episode six with more on that. Here's Kevin Turner,
so Barry Switzer's the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Head coach, and this is the year the calendar, you're
nineteen ninety five for that season, and they got a
good team. They just they couldn't get the three peet done.
The problem is that the quarterback is really upset that
Barry Switzer is not really you know, asked you were.
So here's Troy.
Speaker 13 (12:02):
I went to Oklahoma with a coach who was pretty intense.
He was every bit as intense as Jimmy. He was
the guy calling all the shots. But the Barry that
came to Dallas, he was totally different.
Speaker 15 (12:14):
When we started to have promas. Because Troy wanted.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
Me to be Jimmy, but Barry, the practices weren't at
the intensity level that they needed to be than the Yeah,
I took that upon myself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't thought every.
Speaker 13 (12:27):
Day I had to be the bad cop too. I
don't even know the guy to playbook. Our relationship was struggling.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Those two were not together.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
It was tearing the team up.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That's intense.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It gets in more because I got more Troy. Just yo, mean,
there's so many Troy rants we're about to hear, So
I mean to enjoy Troy Hamn just yelling at people there,
and that was back in those days. That was a
common thing to see during a game, was footage of
Troy on the sideline yelling at everybody like that was
something that you have strong memories of.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Because Jimmy was the disciplinarian. Jimmy held everyone in check
and maybe even too much like a college atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Right, like disciplining grown men.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Switzer's just like, nah, man, do whatever you want to
do as long as you're ready to go on game day.
And Aikman's like, what, we have to have discipline, and
so he felt like he had to be the bad cop.
So he had to do that, and it's yeah, he
resented the hell out of Switzer for making him have
to do that.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Do you do you know to k T do you
know the history of why and how Barry Switzer was
neutered in Dallas but for it happened at Oklahoma? Oh No,
he was a god like when Ben and I grew up,
Barry you talked about Barry Switzer the way you talked
about Nick Saban.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And then there was.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
A moment in time where at Ou they had steroids,
they had gang right h Yeah, and so like he
was blamed for all of it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Did they get into that, Okay, a little bit. He
was never going to coach again, like he was retired.
He was good because he who's paid well probably.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Yeah, but he was still a hero in norm But
the whole point of like what Troy's saying is like
Barry from who he was, was completely neutered by all
of that.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
And dude, you're you basically you know, this is an
ego game between Jimmy and Jerry and everybody else is
catching friendly fire. Yeah, like he Jones hired Switzer because
it was like hiring a clown. Any five hundred coaches
can win this. I'll go get the most laughing stock
coach you can think of and he'll win a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And old rival.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, it's very disrespectful to Jimmy to get his rival.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is Barry Colin Troy. After this, Troy.
Speaker 11 (14:36):
Aikman's I'm sad, I think with theodos because he expected
it out and he got it up.
Speaker 15 (14:40):
In that game, Kevin Williams dropped a couple of passes
and Troy was eating his ass out. Now, I ate
when this tag game that Kevin went him. I'll never
forget because I heard it and that bothered me. And
that Monday after the game, I called Troy and I
asked Troy, come come, I'm gonna visit wa. Troy came
in the office.
Speaker 13 (15:01):
He said, there's some players that are saying that you
only yell at black players, is what he said. And
I said, that's you know, the only I said, that's
supos if a player is not doing what he's supposed
to do. I didn't give two years to what color
he was. I mean I was upset.
Speaker 15 (15:18):
I said, you know, what was said really bothered me,
and I think you really need to apologize. I think
it's important that you do that.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
I think Barry thought that I would just accept that
and then just go on down the road. Of course,
whether it was Michael or Hayley or any of the others,
I mean they they said it was a bunch of
bs as well.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
If Troy was the races out, me and him would
have problem a long time ago. This is not when
you can you can even go anywhere near Troy with you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Can pick anyone.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I can promise of ninety percent of you and land
on African American somewhere.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So somebody gonna get their butt chewed out no matter
who it is.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I didn't see it that way.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
That was the final nail that severed are really relationship?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah that's really bad? Yeah? Right? Or did Barry really
think that? Well?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
There was a defensive line coach, ironically enough, named John Blake,
and John Blake had been with Barry Switzer at ou
John Blake was the one stirring all that stuff up too.
John Blake is in the newspapers at the time. Yeah,
so it was not just Barry. It was a thing
that was happening in the team. So you think about everything.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Troy had to go through the early quarterback controversy where
they drafted Walsh. Right, he's going through that bs, all
the concussions he took because he always stood in the
pocket and would take a hit. Then having to deal
with losing Jimmy, who he had bonded with, who was
the disciplinarian, getting his clown Switzer, then having no discipline,
then him having to be that guy. Now he's dealing
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with Skip Baylis saying he's gay in a book, which
is unfounded. Now he's dealing with Switzer and these guys
accusing him of being a racist, which was unfounded. It's
like they put him through so much crap. They didn't
have to. I was super sympathetic to Troy watching this
thing going. Man, he could have as many Super Bowls
as Brady if they hadn't screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I think too, Ben.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
You know you always forget because you look at athletes
different because they're famous. This is a guy in his twenties. Sure,
this is a guy in his twenties dealing with all
this stuff. It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 9 (17:21):
Coming up next, the fiery conclusion of our discussion about
episode six.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Don't miss it. Just a couple minutes away before boy
won the Eagle.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
We were talking about this earlier today, Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelcey engaged, and so will that impact the SNL
draft we talked about earlier. KT took Taylor number one.
I took Travis and Jason both in the fifth and
sixth round.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I believe so.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
I think it really helps my chances in this SNL draft.
We'll talk about that more tomorrow, as it's been a
breaking news story today, big celebrities getting married. But we're
right in the middle of talking Dallas Cowboys, the docu
series on Netflix and episode six more here's Katie.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
All right, So now it's we know that you know,
Barry and Troy aren't getting along at all. Here are
the reports. Is Troy trying to get Barry Switzer fired?
And I had no idea that this was happening in
that season, A.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
Lot of players blasting everybody who was critical of Barry Switzer,
but they are actually talking about a because Ekman was
the main guy that was feeding everybody the anti Switcher story.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
And when I first asked Troy about Switcher, I said,
is he a good coach?
Speaker 15 (18:27):
As answer was.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
They complained about both practices, lack of intensity, mental mistakes.
Perhaps Barry Switzer needs to be more like his predecessor.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
You got so many within the Cowboys organization who really
believed that Troy was doing everything in his power behind
the scenes to get Barry fired.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And I don't think a lot of his teammates appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Oh damnit. Before it was us against the world, and
now against us was inside our locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's tough about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That's Jerry Jones's fault.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Yeah, you ran off Jimmy, the best coach in the league,
who was on back to back Super Bowls and brought
in a circus clown.
Speaker 15 (19:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Here is a legendary Troy Aikman, raant.
Speaker 13 (19:15):
Tard of being a guy who's gotta run down everybody's
damn throw it all the time.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
When do we have a coach he gets over there
and touch something about Him's never want to go.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Pat buddy on the ass.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
And I haven't got a job all night.
Speaker 15 (19:25):
Guy's nobody says anything about him.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Got a head coach want say anything about him?
Speaker 7 (19:29):
We got coaches offense, We won't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I mean enough to know. I think Troy was like,
you know, like on a comedy actor tries to do
a drama movie and it just kind of makes you uncomfortable.
He was casted perfectly with Jimmy being the bad guy,
and he could go in the huddle he says his nugbery.
Guy doesn't worry about what he's saying. You know, he
could be the good cop, and then now he's gotta
go be the bad guy. And it's like, I don't
like seeing my funny guy in a drama baby.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
And keep in mind he's like the best quarterback on
the planet at this time. Also, yeah, right, there's nobody
like touching him.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
This is an era where they put a lot of
value in QBR. You know, I know, things change and
stats change, but QBR was a huge stat and Troy
was always like at the very top of that because
he was so incredibly accurate, didn't really throw interceptions.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And Steve Young is really good, just won the Super
Bowl and that's when he won his first MVP. I
believe was that year. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It was far one three, so I think it was
that year. And but either way.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And keep in mind the cream of the crop his
but his thing was he didn't really care about stats
or anything, and they had so much balance. He was
doing all that phenomenal quarterbacking while they had the greatest
rusher in the history of the NFL. Yeah, and they
were winning a lot of games and just running the
ball at the very end too.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And you know, the stat people always through out there
was that John Elway had more comeback victories than anybody
in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And Trow was like, well, we're never behind.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's nice to be in the lead.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, we're in the lead because you know, we go
kick ass from the start.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I I didn't think I'm going back to the last
coup where Chris Collinsworth is talking and he's like, I asked,
Troy is Switcher good coach? And Troy just went uh,
And I was like, isn't that kind of what Troy?
He always kind of sounds like though, Uh, Okay, So
this is uh, They're going to a playoff game, and
this is gonna be Cowboys and Packers.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And Jimmy Johnson works for Fox, pulled a lot of
this because's some good John Madden and Pat summerle here
just making some noises. But the whole thing is the game,
once again overshadowed. Before the game, Jimmy's like, I'm gonna
go walk on the field and address Jerry.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
He was more than just a head coach.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
After these guys glow about Switzer, hold up.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He was more than just a head coach. I saw
him for who he was.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You get to know Barry, It's impossible not.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
To like Jimmy.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
This ought to be a pretty exciting championship matchup, not
only because of those squads.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But because you're headed back down to Texas table as well.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
But I get out the whole boy is indeed right.
Why do you see this.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Well, I get to see some old friends back in Dallas.
And when I say old friends, I'm talking about a
lot of the players and the coaches, and it really
will be an exciting ball game.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The ownership.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Is he Is he going towards Jerry? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, Yeah, there's Jerry right down to fifty.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
You just can't break and run when somebody looks like
their baptist.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Futures Madden finished, Did you do you remember this?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
No?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I didn't remember this either, and it's the so I
don't know. This is the first time they've seen each other.
It sounds like, yeah, the first time you've seen each
other for it, it's this big game. Jimmy's there to
call it right or in the pregame and uh, Jerry's
you know, talking to one of the sideline doing his thing,
and Jimmy didn't hide from him. He walks directly takes
up be line, dude, and it's like Jerry, It's like, come.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, it is intense.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It got summer roll in Madden like doing it. I
get to play by play. That's actually score here, that's
actually on the tube. This is yes them Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Masses real close to get a shot.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
All the guys and he doesn't like amnut like that.
Speaker 15 (23:13):
I like Jimmy, but I don't know why Jimmy did
quite kid to Jerry. This shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'll tell you why I did it. Because Terry Wretchaw
and all the people at Fox are like, let's go.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, you will put it on TV because it's a
bunch of jocks. Yeah, this is exactly why it happened.
And you know, I think, like, obviously this is such
a big story about ego and all these things, but man,
Jimmy did a lot to provoke this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, Jimmy did.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Jimmy to me, it's like Jerry's in charge, so he's
ultimately to blame, but Jimmy did just as much to
create an environment where Jerry's like, f you, if you're
gonna treat me like that, you're out saying.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I feel I think less about Jerry and Jimmy before
this documentary started, and I think there's a lot of
people you're here to talk about this and they're calling
it a puff peas and all that stuff, and I
just don't think it's that way. If you're I don't know,
I think you gotta work hard to really not see
Jerry in a different light here, and I mean like
(24:14):
a worse light. Oh the business stuff, yeah great, look
what he did the NFL awesome, But like.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
The only punch is pulled, there's the womanizing stuff. Yeah,
it's a lot of time on that. Yeah, they didn't
touch that. That's the only punch I've seen pulled a
legitimate child or the right you know, the pictures from
a bathroom or whatever, those little h in the way.
They didn't have to spent time of that. But they're
not pulling other punches. Yeah, they had a great look
for him. No, but also like I mean he's eighty
(24:40):
something years old. Yeah, this has all been so public
for so long.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, last one here, this is super Bowl thirty. The
week of Super Bowl thirty got the Steelers and uh,
you're gonna get some more Troy allegations the week of
the super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
A week of the Super Bowl as a rider who
wants to be famous.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
In sports controversy at the Super Bowl God whether Cowboys
quarterback Troy Aikman is a racist.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
The Fort Worth Star Telegram reported an incident.
Speaker 14 (25:09):
Look that the racist allegations against Troy wasn't public knowledge.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Until they went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We all thought of that season.
Speaker 14 (25:16):
Was incredibly difficult without knowing that one.
Speaker 15 (25:20):
According to one teammate, Ak Minus holding Switzer accountable for
failing to squash the allegation to.
Speaker 14 (25:26):
Give credibility to accusations that your quarterback is a racist,
Like what could be worse than that?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Which is why the story became so big.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
We've been dealing with that Troy at the first of
Swiss stuff for the past two months.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We love Troy. We don't need none of that Bower Yet.
Speaker 14 (25:45):
When asked if he felt issues were resolved with scripser
Apeman replied, I.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Haven't talked about it too much, so I don't know.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
We just didn't talk.
Speaker 15 (25:55):
The biggest regret I haven't the Cowboys was my relationship
with Toy Dude.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I don't know how he didn't see that coming.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You're the head coach of an NFL team, you have
one of the best quarterbacks. How can you expect that
to work out? If you are at odds with your quarterback? Yeah,
I like say, huge odds.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You're accusing him of being a racist.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
But you know what else, Man won the Super Bowl
and the other thing I would say is I'm willing
to bet well, who knows. But there's no way Barry
Switzer was following the NFL for the five years, like
he doesn't know what's going on in the league. He
literally doesn't. Man, that is really inspired musical choice. Yes,
like really well done.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Man.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
You're talking about a band that crumbled from within because
of infighting, and you know that's really great stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think the thing I'd add, though, is like in
the episode from we were reviews of this yesterday, you
get all that the players are mad if clips from
Michael Evering going, if Jimmy's gone, I'm out, Troy talking
about I wouldn't have sign an eight year deal to
be here if I knew that was gonna happen. And
then by the time you get to the season that
they win the Super Bowl, every player side Troy likes
(27:01):
Barry Switzer, girl saying great things about it.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Because he lets them do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Aikman's the only one who's working his ass off all
the time and staying out of trouble.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
And keep in mind, too, they win the Super Bowl,
they don't know what the future holds. Sure they still
think we won three Super Bowls in four years.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They don't realize. There's not a guy in that room
that realizes they're never.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Going back to the NFC Championship Game ever again.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, tomorrow we will reviewed Cocaine Cowboy. Oh good lord,
it's a wild one, involving Michael Irvin and lots of
other stuff.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
So much fun, so much fudder. I hope you've enjoyed
the show today. I'm sure tomorrow we'll talk about a
little Kelsey Taylor stuff. We'll have tickets to give away
more Cowboys. So much fun every day. I'll never forget
the time. KT look Travis Kelsey dead in his eye
and he said they changed things on as quick on
this world. So enjoy your every minute while you have.
(27:59):
It was proposed anyways, Christina, you gonna play some music.
Christina is going to stick around till ten right here
on the Eagle there you going.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Well, I want to get my sack back.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Dude, You're not like what
Cowboy surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So this is where we pick it up. Yesterday we
reviewed episode five of America's Team, The Gammore and His Cowboys,
the eight part series on Netflix, and we cover the
divorce between Jerry and Jimmy, the hiring of Barry Switzer,
and then the Cowboys ultimately fail to get back to
the Super Bowl. They lose in the NFC Championship Game
to the forty nine Ers. So episode six, what do
you gotta do in that off season? Well, you gotta
(00:39):
sign Dion Sanders from the forty nine Ers. You gotta
sign him.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Come in ahead, all right.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Jerry says, we can get you know what I'm saying.
But if we're going to coasts, I wanted to hit
your thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
What do you mean to get my thought?
Speaker 4 (00:52):
You don't need to get my thoughts? Hell are you
talking about?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
We can get Dea, We get Deaf. It was a
lot of money.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
I'm gonna always voice an opinion, even if it's it's
not his opinion. You know, we need to make sure
this is going to be good for the future of
the organization.
Speaker 7 (01:05):
Before we signed it, I'm in one room and Steven
was with me and Deon's agent Eugene Parker was sitting up.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
He said, let me start out with Eugene, just the
two of us, so we don't two on one.
Speaker 7 (01:17):
So I got in there with him and we made
the deal.
Speaker 6 (01:21):
Dad walks in on never forget with this big smile,
and I guess I think we got this done, and
I go, what.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
Well, Steven grabs me, shoves me up against the door,
and I started laughing and I said.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
What are you going to do? Hit your dad? Are
you nuts? I said, I'm not going to hit you.
But Din, we don't have to pay that much.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Why don't you do this, this, this, and this, Steven,
you don't understand we've done this deal.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's why I think there are actually going to be
better once Steven's Fullia George, Yeah, there's always got that
reasonable factor in. Okay, that's really good to hear that, actually.
Speaker 8 (01:56):
Yeah, and then now we learned back in the day,
Jerry used to talk to important agents.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 9 (02:02):
By the way, I've said this on the air, I
was told somebody close to the Jones family that if
Steven does take over someday, he'll hire a GM.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
That's awesome to hear, just awesome to hear love the
use of that song too.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
I put a spell on you. Yeah, that's so great.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So this is the next time I've labeled this Jerry
breaking all the rules.
Speaker 10 (02:23):
The league says the Cowboys are in violation of an
agreement with NFL properties.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
If we let Mavericks go out on their own, they'll
destroy the league what we've.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Normally put in a sponsorship. We're looking at Nike.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
The rules in the NFL at that time we were
prohibited from making a deal with Nike.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Sponsorship was done.
Speaker 7 (02:43):
At the league level, and so that if the league
signed with Reebok or Coca Cola, everybody went with Reebok
and Coca Cola.
Speaker 11 (02:53):
The Cowboys account for a fourth of all the merchandise sold,
but get only a thirtieth of the profits.
Speaker 7 (03:00):
Plan was each of the clubs do their own selling
of their own marks and logos.
Speaker 12 (03:05):
Jones announced the sale of stadium soft rink rights to
Pepsi for some twenty million dollars over ten years, in
defiance of the leaguest huge national deal with Coca Cola.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
So with our great game end name, we need to
be associating ourselves with the Heisman Trophy winners in every
field and Phil Knight and Nike does that, and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
They go into the Nike deal that he does, and
it makes every owner of mad. He does on his own.
Speaker 8 (03:31):
Think about that though, think about why. There's a couple
reasons why it makes every other owner mad. But the
main reason is that they know they can't get the
money he gets and they're all siphoning off of his name.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
No, he just passed him in the left lane like that.
Speaker 9 (03:45):
To be a responsible for a quarter of the revenue
but only getting the thirtieth of the share. Yeah, you
know this is where you're watching this going, Okay, Jerry's badass.
This is actually good. Jerry's doing good things here. All
those things he was doing business wise.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
We're great.
Speaker 8 (04:03):
And the other reason too, Ben why it's like they
get mad, but he just changed everything on the TV deal,
which they all benefit.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Like he blew up football.
Speaker 8 (04:13):
For sure, Each and every one of those owners gained
just so much value in their franchise is because of
that National TV deal.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I mean, football might have been the favorite for a
lot of people. I don't really know what the pulse
was like in nineteen ninety three or ninety four, but
we've for my whole life. Football has been king Yeah,
and it's largely because of that TV deal. It absolutely was.
Speaker 8 (04:33):
That was when the NFL passed Major League Baseball and
has never looked back since, and it's lapped the field.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
When we come.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Back, let's really dive into the owners getting mad at Jerry.
Some lawsuits back and forth, and my god, Troy Aateman
hated Barry Switzer all right, now here is KTS so
he picked up. The owners are mad at Jerry Jones again.
This is episode six of the Netflix series and the Cowboys.
They're mad at Jerry Jones for a lot of reasons
because he's a be honest here. He's won two of
(05:02):
the last three Super Bowls. His team's kind of wild ass,
and he's going rogue on a lot of things, including
some marketing deals that the leagu's all agreed to.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Once again, Jerry Jones as a business deal against NFL properties.
Speaker 13 (05:14):
They think.
Speaker 12 (05:15):
The owners are trying to figure out if Jones is
a genius or he's just a jerky.
Speaker 10 (05:19):
He was dumbing his nose for the league and moving
ahead with his plan to reconfigure the way the NFL
did business.
Speaker 14 (05:26):
It was hard not to notice the Cowboys have gone
to corporates, freed to.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Going to take over football.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
I'm in the NFL to compete for Super Bowls.
Speaker 10 (05:35):
By going against the league structure and signing his own deal,
he's able to generate that much more money the league owners,
aren't you happy about it?
Speaker 13 (05:42):
With the spirit of cooperation and partnership in the league
has obviously I think he've been violated.
Speaker 12 (05:46):
The owner's biggest fear maybe that Jones is using the
millions from these sponsorship deals to sign top free agents.
Speaker 10 (05:53):
They were two hundred thousand dollars under the hour Captain.
All of a sudden, Jerry Mack owned thirteen million.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I didn't understand that because the salary cap was put
into place. So what do we it was? It put
it into place in nineteen ninety four. We're in nineteen
ninety five. Now.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
I don't know how far ahead you are on the series.
And I don't even ever want except the last one,
okay do they so keep in mind? And they may
not even get into it cause I don't have time
to get into everything. A couple of years later, the
forty nine Ers and the Cowboys are both going to
be taken to the mat for violating the rules of
the salary cap circumventing. That's the first time you ever
(06:32):
started hearing the word circumventing the salary cap. So, because
it's not a hard cap, there's mechanisms to get around it,
and so I think that's probably wasn't a hard cap.
It wasn't hard cap. And also keep in mind before
that they had Plan B free agency. But that's the
whole thing about being able to spread money around and
(06:54):
move it to different years and all.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
This kind of stuff. They didn't really get into that. Yeah, yeah,
they can't. That'd be too much. So that as Jerry
would come up with too playing B free agency.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
When you're talking about you know, there's a cap number,
but you come up with this other money.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's kind of what they're talking Each team gets one abortion,
you can abort a contract.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Thirty I'm seeing nineteen ninety four the NFL salary cap
that was set for thirty four point six million dollars.
That's crazy, which is about what Mike is asking for. No,
I said, Max's asked for more than that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Actually, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Okay, So there's all these lawsuits that are happening, and
you're gonna get some emotional Jerry at the end.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Out of control.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
That is the phrase several NFL owners have used to
describe Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, and is so called ambush
marketing tactics.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, today the owners huddled in Atlanta.
Speaker 9 (07:44):
When you have a partner who's willing to say I
don't care about your rules, how do you stop them?
Speaker 14 (07:50):
The NFL is taking America's team to court for some
three hundred million dollars when.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
It takes a while for a league to suer club.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
And that would have taken the team.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
And I know there is no doubt in my mind
that the NFL is trying to intimidate the Dallas Cowboys.
And I understand politics, but intimidation being a bully, be.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Careful, but I was cutting and shooting.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
It's official Cowboys owner Jerry Jones due the NFL today
seven hundred and fifty million anti trust.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
It's an illegal cartel, and it is a cartel.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
At the league meeting, we had finished up a lot
of the business and they said, now, Jerry, you're gonna
have to leave because of your lawsuit.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I walked almost.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Out of the room, and then all of a sudden,
I just swelled up and teared up, turned around to
all the owners. I said, guys, I want you to
know this. If you win, I know you're gonna take
the team, But if I win, I'm gonna.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Collect air fruit. Penny shoot cutting me deep here walked down.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
My favorite part of the whole thing, because he was
talking about tearing up, and I thought he was going
to say something sentimental like this means the most to
me and I love you guys, and I really want
to He turned around and said, do not f with me.
I'm coming for every penny.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It is amazing how much money is spent by rich
people suing one another.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
And that's why the best job ever is lawyer. Yeah, yea, because.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
There's always, I mean, dude, the whole history of the
Hunt family in this city. Like we know all the
nice Hunts like Dan and Clark and all those people,
but you know, there's money all over throughout the city
that's been split in different ways because of how far
back that family goes. And there's lawyers whose entire job
is just maintaining.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
All of that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I imagine Proro same way. Yeah, just all these big
rich names, so many lawsuits, dude.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Ross pro Junior and Mark Cubans were suing each other constantly.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I'm amazed at how much. And I don't know like
the details. I mean, you got like breaking news emails
all the time, like Trump has so many lawsuits. Yeah,
and he just files with Ken Paxton here down Like
he just files a ton of lawsuits yep. And I'm like,
does that cost you money to go? You must be
making the money back somehow, So I've always been kind
of confused by that. When we come back from the break,
(10:00):
Troy Aikman and Barry Switzer, I mean, they really get
into Troy almost wrecking the team because of his hatred
for Barry Switzer. And I was shocked to learn all
of this. And we'll play the wild audio.
Speaker 9 (10:11):
Neck you for rolling with us today and every day
we are examining America's team The Gambler and his Cowboys,
the Netflix docu series, episode six.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But I want to mention this real quick. We were
talking last night.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
I was with my buddies and we were talking about,
you know, how much the Cowboys are worth now and
they've been valued at twelve billion dollars or whatever that is.
And you know, you hear some of the numbers in
this docu series is you know Dion's contract, because Dion
was thirty five grand, thirty five million, rather thirty four
to something like that, thirty four million, and they were
like a father and son were about to fight over it.
(10:45):
And now you know Dak makes sixty million per year.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, almost seven at thirty five.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like it's crazy, how how rapidly thinks.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
And I don't think I ever really spend time thinking about,
you know, billions of dollars, and you know, when you
look at that valuation, you think about a billionaire. And
Mark Cubans even talked to us about there being middle
class billionaires, guys who just have through four billion, and
then like the Addleson's have thirty five billion or whatever
it is. But somebody told me this last night. A
(11:15):
million seconds is roughly eleven point five days. Okay, a
million seconds is roughly eleven point five days. A billion
seconds is approximately thirty one point seven years.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Damn big difference, right, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
And the Cowboys are worth twelve billion dollars and wouldn't
even ever sell for that. All right, let's continue breaking
down episode six with more on that. Here's Kevin Turner,
so Barry Switzer's the.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Head coach, and this is the year the calendar, you're
nineteen ninety five for that season, and they got a
good team. They just they couldn't get the three peet done.
The problem is that the quarterback is really upset that
Barry Switzer is not really you know, asked you were.
So here's Troy.
Speaker 13 (12:02):
I went to Oklahoma with a coach who was pretty intense.
He was every bit as intense as Jimmy. He was
the guy calling all the shots. But the Barry that
came to Dallas, he was totally different.
Speaker 15 (12:14):
When we started to have promas. Because Troy wanted.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
Me to be Jimmy, but Barry, the practices weren't at
the intensity level that they needed to be than the Yeah,
I took that upon myself.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I don't thought every.
Speaker 13 (12:27):
Day I had to be the bad cop too. I
don't even know the guy to playbook. Our relationship was struggling.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Those two were not together.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
It was tearing the team up.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
That's intense.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It gets in more because I got more Troy. Just yo, mean,
there's so many Troy rants we're about to hear, So
I mean to enjoy Troy Hamn just yelling at people there,
and that was back in those days. That was a
common thing to see during a game, was footage of
Troy on the sideline yelling at everybody like that was
something that you have strong memories of.
Speaker 9 (13:02):
Because Jimmy was the disciplinarian. Jimmy held everyone in check
and maybe even too much like a college atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Right, like disciplining grown men.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
Switzer's just like, nah, man, do whatever you want to
do as long as you're ready to go on game day.
And Aikman's like, what, we have to have discipline, and
so he felt like he had to be the bad cop.
So he had to do that, and it's yeah, he
resented the hell out of Switzer for making him have
to do that.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
Do you do you know to k T do you
know the history of why and how Barry Switzer was
neutered in Dallas but for it happened at Oklahoma? Oh No,
he was a god like when Ben and I grew up,
Barry you talked about Barry Switzer the way you talked
about Nick Saban.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
And then there was.
Speaker 8 (13:41):
A moment in time where at Ou they had steroids,
they had gang right h Yeah, and so like he
was blamed for all of it.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Did they get into that, Okay, a little bit. He
was never going to coach again, like he was retired.
He was good because he who's paid well probably.
Speaker 8 (13:58):
Yeah, but he was still a hero in norm But
the whole point of like what Troy's saying is like
Barry from who he was, was completely neutered by all
of that.
Speaker 9 (14:06):
And dude, you're you basically you know, this is an
ego game between Jimmy and Jerry and everybody else is
catching friendly fire. Yeah, like he Jones hired Switzer because
it was like hiring a clown. Any five hundred coaches
can win this. I'll go get the most laughing stock
coach you can think of and he'll win a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And old rival.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, it's very disrespectful to Jimmy to get his rival.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
This is Barry Colin Troy. After this, Troy.
Speaker 11 (14:36):
Aikman's I'm sad, I think with theodos because he expected
it out and he got it up.
Speaker 15 (14:40):
In that game, Kevin Williams dropped a couple of passes
and Troy was eating his ass out. Now, I ate
when this tag game that Kevin went him. I'll never
forget because I heard it and that bothered me. And
that Monday after the game, I called Troy and I
asked Troy, come come, I'm gonna visit wa. Troy came
in the office.
Speaker 13 (15:01):
He said, there's some players that are saying that you
only yell at black players, is what he said. And
I said, that's you know, the only I said, that's
supos if a player is not doing what he's supposed
to do. I didn't give two years to what color
he was. I mean I was upset.
Speaker 15 (15:18):
I said, you know, what was said really bothered me,
and I think you really need to apologize. I think
it's important that you do that.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
I think Barry thought that I would just accept that
and then just go on down the road. Of course,
whether it was Michael or Hayley or any of the others,
I mean they they said it was a bunch of
bs as well.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
If Troy was the races out, me and him would
have problem a long time ago. This is not when
you can you can even go anywhere near Troy with you.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Can pick anyone.
Speaker 6 (15:49):
I can promise of ninety percent of you and land
on African American somewhere.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
So somebody gonna get their butt chewed out no matter
who it is.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So I didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I didn't see it that way.
Speaker 13 (15:57):
That was the final nail that severed are really relationship?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah that's really bad? Yeah? Right? Or did Barry really
think that? Well?
Speaker 8 (16:08):
There was a defensive line coach, ironically enough, named John Blake,
and John Blake had been with Barry Switzer at ou
John Blake was the one stirring all that stuff up too.
John Blake is in the newspapers at the time. Yeah,
so it was not just Barry. It was a thing
that was happening in the team. So you think about everything.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Troy had to go through the early quarterback controversy where
they drafted Walsh. Right, he's going through that bs, all
the concussions he took because he always stood in the
pocket and would take a hit. Then having to deal
with losing Jimmy, who he had bonded with, who was
the disciplinarian, getting his clown Switzer, then having no discipline,
then him having to be that guy. Now he's dealing
(16:49):
with Skip Baylis saying he's gay in a book, which
is unfounded. Now he's dealing with Switzer and these guys
accusing him of being a racist, which was unfounded. It's
like they put him through so much crap. They didn't
have to. I was super sympathetic to Troy watching this
thing going. Man, he could have as many Super Bowls
as Brady if they hadn't screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I think too, Ben.
Speaker 8 (17:10):
You know you always forget because you look at athletes
different because they're famous. This is a guy in his twenties. Sure,
this is a guy in his twenties dealing with all
this stuff. It's crazy, all right.
Speaker 9 (17:21):
Coming up next, the fiery conclusion of our discussion about
episode six.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Don't miss it. Just a couple minutes away before boy
won the Eagle.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
We were talking about this earlier today, Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelcey engaged, and so will that impact the SNL
draft we talked about earlier. KT took Taylor number one.
I took Travis and Jason both in the fifth and
sixth round.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I believe so.
Speaker 8 (17:43):
I think it really helps my chances in this SNL draft.
We'll talk about that more tomorrow, as it's been a
breaking news story today, big celebrities getting married. But we're
right in the middle of talking Dallas Cowboys, the docu
series on Netflix and episode six more here's Katie.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
All right, So now it's we know that you know,
Barry and Troy aren't getting along at all. Here are
the reports. Is Troy trying to get Barry Switzer fired?
And I had no idea that this was happening in
that season, A.
Speaker 11 (18:13):
Lot of players blasting everybody who was critical of Barry Switzer,
but they are actually talking about a because Ekman was
the main guy that was feeding everybody the anti Switcher story.
Speaker 10 (18:24):
And when I first asked Troy about Switcher, I said,
is he a good coach?
Speaker 15 (18:27):
As answer was.
Speaker 11 (18:30):
They complained about both practices, lack of intensity, mental mistakes.
Perhaps Barry Switzer needs to be more like his predecessor.
Speaker 8 (18:38):
You got so many within the Cowboys organization who really
believed that Troy was doing everything in his power behind
the scenes to get Barry fired.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
And I don't think a lot of his teammates appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Oh damnit. Before it was us against the world, and
now against us was inside our locker room.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's tough about it.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
That's Jerry Jones's fault.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Yeah, you ran off Jimmy, the best coach in the league,
who was on back to back Super Bowls and brought
in a circus clown.
Speaker 15 (19:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Here is a legendary Troy Aikman, raant.
Speaker 13 (19:15):
Tard of being a guy who's gotta run down everybody's
damn throw it all the time.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
When do we have a coach he gets over there
and touch something about Him's never want to go.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Pat buddy on the ass.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
And I haven't got a job all night.
Speaker 15 (19:25):
Guy's nobody says anything about him.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Got a head coach want say anything about him?
Speaker 7 (19:29):
We got coaches offense, We won't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I mean enough to know. I think Troy was like,
you know, like on a comedy actor tries to do
a drama movie and it just kind of makes you uncomfortable.
He was casted perfectly with Jimmy being the bad guy,
and he could go in the huddle he says his nugbery.
Guy doesn't worry about what he's saying. You know, he
could be the good cop, and then now he's gotta
go be the bad guy. And it's like, I don't
like seeing my funny guy in a drama baby.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
And keep in mind he's like the best quarterback on
the planet at this time. Also, yeah, right, there's nobody
like touching him.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
This is an era where they put a lot of
value in QBR. You know, I know, things change and
stats change, but QBR was a huge stat and Troy
was always like at the very top of that because
he was so incredibly accurate, didn't really throw interceptions.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
And Steve Young is really good, just won the Super
Bowl and that's when he won his first MVP. I
believe was that year. Is that right?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
It was far one three, so I think it was
that year. And but either way.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And keep in mind the cream of the crop his
but his thing was he didn't really care about stats
or anything, and they had so much balance. He was
doing all that phenomenal quarterbacking while they had the greatest
rusher in the history of the NFL. Yeah, and they
were winning a lot of games and just running the
ball at the very end too.
Speaker 8 (20:45):
And you know, the stat people always through out there
was that John Elway had more comeback victories than anybody
in NFL history.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
And Trow was like, well, we're never behind.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's nice to be in the lead.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Yeah, we're in the lead because you know, we go
kick ass from the start.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I I didn't think I'm going back to the last
coup where Chris Collinsworth is talking and he's like, I asked,
Troy is Switcher good coach? And Troy just went uh,
And I was like, isn't that kind of what Troy?
He always kind of sounds like though, Uh, Okay, So
this is uh, They're going to a playoff game, and
this is gonna be Cowboys and Packers.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And Jimmy Johnson works for Fox, pulled a lot of
this because's some good John Madden and Pat summerle here
just making some noises. But the whole thing is the game,
once again overshadowed. Before the game, Jimmy's like, I'm gonna
go walk on the field and address Jerry.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
He was more than just a head coach.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
After these guys glow about Switzer, hold up.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
He was more than just a head coach. I saw
him for who he was.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You get to know Barry, It's impossible not.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
To like Jimmy.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
This ought to be a pretty exciting championship matchup, not
only because of those squads.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
But because you're headed back down to Texas table as well.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
But I get out the whole boy is indeed right.
Why do you see this.
Speaker 10 (21:58):
Well, I get to see some old friends back in Dallas.
And when I say old friends, I'm talking about a
lot of the players and the coaches, and it really
will be an exciting ball game.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
The ownership.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Is he Is he going towards Jerry? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, Yeah, there's Jerry right down to fifty.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
You just can't break and run when somebody looks like
their baptist.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Futures Madden finished, Did you do you remember this?
Speaker 7 (22:28):
No?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I didn't remember this either, and it's the so I
don't know. This is the first time they've seen each other.
It sounds like, yeah, the first time you've seen each
other for it, it's this big game. Jimmy's there to
call it right or in the pregame and uh, Jerry's
you know, talking to one of the sideline doing his thing,
and Jimmy didn't hide from him. He walks directly takes
up be line, dude, and it's like Jerry, It's like, come.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
I mean, it is intense.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It got summer roll in Madden like doing it. I
get to play by play. That's actually score here, that's
actually on the tube. This is yes them Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Masses real close to get a shot.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
All the guys and he doesn't like amnut like that.
Speaker 15 (23:13):
I like Jimmy, but I don't know why Jimmy did
quite kid to Jerry. This shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I'll tell you why I did it. Because Terry Wretchaw
and all the people at Fox are like, let's go.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, you will put it on TV because it's a
bunch of jocks. Yeah, this is exactly why it happened.
And you know, I think, like, obviously this is such
a big story about ego and all these things, but man,
Jimmy did a lot to provoke this.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, Jimmy did.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Jimmy to me, it's like Jerry's in charge, so he's
ultimately to blame, but Jimmy did just as much to
create an environment where Jerry's like, f you, if you're
gonna treat me like that, you're out saying.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I feel I think less about Jerry and Jimmy before
this documentary started, and I think there's a lot of
people you're here to talk about this and they're calling
it a puff peas and all that stuff, and I
just don't think it's that way. If you're I don't know,
I think you gotta work hard to really not see
Jerry in a different light here, and I mean like
(24:14):
a worse light. Oh the business stuff, yeah great, look
what he did the NFL awesome, But like.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
The only punch is pulled, there's the womanizing stuff. Yeah,
it's a lot of time on that. Yeah, they didn't
touch that. That's the only punch I've seen pulled a
legitimate child or the right you know, the pictures from
a bathroom or whatever, those little h in the way.
They didn't have to spent time of that. But they're
not pulling other punches. Yeah, they had a great look
for him. No, but also like I mean he's eighty
(24:40):
something years old. Yeah, this has all been so public
for so long.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, last one here, this is super Bowl thirty. The
week of Super Bowl thirty got the Steelers and uh,
you're gonna get some more Troy allegations the week of
the super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
A week of the Super Bowl as a rider who
wants to be famous.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
In sports controversy at the Super Bowl God whether Cowboys
quarterback Troy Aikman is a racist.
Speaker 9 (25:06):
The Fort Worth Star Telegram reported an incident.
Speaker 14 (25:09):
Look that the racist allegations against Troy wasn't public knowledge.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Until they went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
We all thought of that season.
Speaker 14 (25:16):
Was incredibly difficult without knowing that one.
Speaker 15 (25:20):
According to one teammate, Ak Minus holding Switzer accountable for
failing to squash the allegation to.
Speaker 14 (25:26):
Give credibility to accusations that your quarterback is a racist,
Like what could be worse than that?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Which is why the story became so big.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
We've been dealing with that Troy at the first of
Swiss stuff for the past two months.
Speaker 4 (25:41):
We love Troy. We don't need none of that Bower Yet.
Speaker 14 (25:45):
When asked if he felt issues were resolved with scripser
Apeman replied, I.
Speaker 11 (25:50):
Haven't talked about it too much, so I don't know.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
We just didn't talk.
Speaker 15 (25:55):
The biggest regret I haven't the Cowboys was my relationship
with Toy Dude.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I don't know how he didn't see that coming.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You're the head coach of an NFL team, you have
one of the best quarterbacks. How can you expect that
to work out? If you are at odds with your quarterback? Yeah,
I like say, huge odds.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You're accusing him of being a racist.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
But you know what else, Man won the Super Bowl
and the other thing I would say is I'm willing
to bet well, who knows. But there's no way Barry
Switzer was following the NFL for the five years, like
he doesn't know what's going on in the league. He
literally doesn't. Man, that is really inspired musical choice. Yes,
like really well done.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Man.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
You're talking about a band that crumbled from within because
of infighting, and you know that's really great stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I think the thing I'd add, though, is like in
the episode from we were reviews of this yesterday, you
get all that the players are mad if clips from
Michael Evering going, if Jimmy's gone, I'm out, Troy talking
about I wouldn't have sign an eight year deal to
be here if I knew that was gonna happen. And
then by the time you get to the season that
they win the Super Bowl, every player side Troy likes
(27:01):
Barry Switzer, girl saying great things about it.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Because he lets them do whatever they want to do.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Aikman's the only one who's working his ass off all
the time and staying out of trouble.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
And keep in mind, too, they win the Super Bowl,
they don't know what the future holds. Sure they still
think we won three Super Bowls in four years.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
They don't realize. There's not a guy in that room
that realizes they're never.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
Going back to the NFC Championship Game ever again.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, tomorrow we will reviewed Cocaine Cowboy. Oh good lord,
it's a wild one, involving Michael Irvin and lots of
other stuff.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
So much fun, so much fudder. I hope you've enjoyed
the show today. I'm sure tomorrow we'll talk about a
little Kelsey Taylor stuff. We'll have tickets to give away
more Cowboys. So much fun every day. I'll never forget
the time. KT look Travis Kelsey dead in his eye
and he said they changed things on as quick on
this world. So enjoy your every minute while you have.
(27:59):
It was proposed anyways, Christina, you gonna play some music.
Christina is going to stick around till ten right here
on the Eagle there you going.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Well, I want to get my sack back.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Dude, You're not like what
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