August 28, 2025 • 29 mins
We come to the conclusion of our series on the Cowboys netflix series with a review of episode 8. Come for the juicy stories, but stay for the new Stephen and Jerry drops that we got.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Anela.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Cowboys All Right, Episode eight, the final one on this
Cowboys documentary on Netflix, And this one does end up
(00:23):
being a lot about Jerry.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
But I'm gonna start off with the clip.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
This is where Tony Romo and Dale Hanson, the legendary
Channel Height reporter, disagree on something.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
There are kids in college now who have grown up
never knowing how good the Cowboys used to be.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And the reason they're not I blame one man to
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
The main job of an oponent is to hire good
people to do their job.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Who the hell's he hired? Hoji said, nobody wants, but
he wants to win. He brought in Bill Parcells.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's the right guy.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Nineteen You are few, Okay.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
You know what I remember most about that Seattle playoff game.
I was building a bike for my kid for Christmas,
and boy when and ask what that is? I was
in the living room watching that game build from building
a bike and just a double nutkick for it to
end like that and still have a bike to.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Build, just brutal.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Didn't that cause Parcels to quit? That was the last
game he had enough.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That was it. He never coached again after that moment.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Nope, you know, and and the other thing too, So
there's there's that's there's a lot going on there one.
I mean, I think Romo's being fair, But all the
chatter was about the fact he brought in Bill Parcells
to restore confidence to get the stadium built. Yep, there's
a little There was a lot of talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's what the next clip is actually, Oh is that right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But real quick, Romo was holding because he was the
backup quarterback at the time.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, he was the starting quarterback. Well, he had taken
over for Butzoe in the middle of the year. Yeah,
he he just stayed on special teams I think.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Yeah, he was the starting quarterback for the back part
and the playoffs and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You'd never have your starting quarterback holding, No, Like I
guess they just didn't. It was too late to get
somebody else to do it or something. I don't know.
Was they it a good snap or not? Don't know. Well,
the ball was covered in hair, jel, Yeah, they got
what that ball.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
There was talk about because that game was in Seattle, right,
and there was talk about something happening with the ball.
Oh wow, Yeah, I just I don't remember all that now, okay,
here's clip on the stadium.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Despite the fact that losing he needed to build the
new stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
In the midst of a global economic recession, Jerry Jones
is going all ay, He's breaking ground on what will
become at the most expensive sports venue in American history.
Speaker 8 (02:49):
Tens of thousands of fans at concerts.
Speaker 9 (02:51):
At AT and T Stadium, they got all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh I'm not out there and watch me at this draft.
I just wanted his voice in.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
But I want to go back to what Romo and
Dale Hanson were saying, Like, Jerry fired Dale Hanson, so
Dale Hanson has an extra grind. Now the whole idea
to the only hires guys nobody wants. Jason Garrett was
highly coveted when the Cowboys hired him. He had an
incredible reputation. The knock on what they did with Jason
(03:22):
was they kept him way too long, And that was
where you get into the whole thing about Jerry's just
doing whatever's comfortable and having guys there.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That he you know, can kind of Ramrod and all that.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
But Wade Phillips had a great reputation when he was hired. Here,
Bill Parcells obviously was a legend, and Jason Garrett was
a highly coveted coach prospect when he was hired at
the time.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I would disagree with what Dale saying.
Speaker 10 (03:47):
There's some truth to it though, because some of the
guys he's gotten are so spare. Yeah, the guy's before
fun and what's the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Gaily was a hot name.
Speaker 10 (03:58):
The honestly, Shoddy is just a guy. Nobody else was
trying to hire him for an open head coaching position. Yeah,
it may work out great, but it's just some guy
who was there. Yeah, you guys want to touch on
some Jerry Jones controversies.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
Yeah, we're gonna start with this photos and it shows
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among a crowd of white
students trying to keep black students from integrating.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
H that's sixty five years ago.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I had no idea of when I've walked up there, what.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We want to keep doing?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Jones said, quote, if we are disrespecting the flag, then
we won't play.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Period just twenty seconds to cover some quick Jerry Jones
controversies and then they move on to good stuff like
that was very wild. We could spend more time with
this documentary but it'd have to be at one hundred
part documentary series.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I honestly, people can think whatever they want.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
I think that Jerry getting criticism for being part of
a crowd at a historic event is unfair, right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I don't think there's ever been anything about Jerry Jones
that anyone could hang their hat on that he is
racist in any way whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
And I would also like to say that if you
were white person in Arkansas during that time period, there's
a ninety five percent chance that you were racist to
some degree. Now, whether or not you are trying to
stop people from going to school or anti civil rights,
there's different degrees to all of this. But most people
are a product of their environment. And if you grew up,
(05:19):
if you were a white person growing up in the
rural South, it's very unlikely you had progressive views on
race relations.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
When we come back, why won't Jerry ever hire a
GM And then I have a combo platter of Steven
and Jerry funny sounds that you need to hear.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's next.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
I still hope you have great Labor Day plans, Labor
Day weekend plans coming up tomorrow. No doubt we will
get into all the things you can be doing over
the weekend. But we are smack dab and what feels
like the end of a really long series We've been
doing on the Ben and Skin Show, going over all
eight episodes of America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
and we were talking about episode eight, which is the
(05:55):
resolution episode, very much dialed in on Jerry and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Cary, why won't you hire a general manager?
Speaker 11 (06:01):
I'm off and asked the question, why don't I hire
a general medagor? I've had people that said, Jerry, you
subject yourself to so much criticism, you need a buffer.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't like it like that.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
I like the pain.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How many times has that been uttered in a sexual experience?
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You know what the problem with that? I know what
he's trying to say. I like the pain, and I
get what he's trying to say. But that's the classic.
You can't see the forest for the trees, and you're
just looking at yourself. What you're not realizing is all
the pain you're inflicting on your fan base by having
it just your way, no matter what.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
Well in the team too, not just the fan base,
all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I've had his grandkids we'll get to that a little bit.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
How about later, how about something we brought up earlier
members talking about this, how about the pain he inflicted
on Troy Aiateman exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, it's like, because you're selfish in your own world,
and he's like, no, this is about me. I'm gonna
I don't need a buffer this.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
But it's a billionaire and his toy. Yeah, it's it's
very much like, uh, you know KT. You love fantasy football.
Speaker 10 (07:07):
I'm like, it could probably be better if you had a
consultant run your team who was like really good, one
of the best in the country.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Start at KT.
Speaker 10 (07:14):
Not as much fun for you with your fantasy team
if some consultant is running it for you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I've really fell off since I joined Machines two Dynasty Leagues.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Man, I was I was willing to let Craig Tray
run my SNL fantasy ty.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, So this is Stephen and Jerry a practice in
twenty three three. They're talking to the president of the Rams.
It's kind of funny, and there's a noise that I
just couldn't get over, so one thought we'd pull it together.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Jerry said it best in the press conference he goes,
I'm tired of winning the season here.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I want to win at the end of the season
in the playoff. The balls to put.
Speaker 11 (07:51):
It all out there the way y'all did on that quarterback,
I won't do that. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I was like me when I made that noise. Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
And ah.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
This sounds kind of verbs scaring the fact that that
was a horrible conversation, the terrible, terrible. I mean, that
is the worst small talk all documentaries about him being
all in and he's got the big balls to do
whatever he's like.
Speaker 12 (08:24):
I ain't got the balls to sign an old quarterback
like y'all did. Y'all traded for Matthew Stafford. I'd never
do that. Those noises are great.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
I love all the older footage of Steven. I think
his mouth is open and everything good.
Speaker 13 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Steve is the guy, though. I come away from this
entire thing thinking better of Yeah. I think for me
it was Jerry Jr.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
He was goodness, he had a good probably thirty five
seconds of the eight parts.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
This is a game that I encourage you all to
not go back and watch the twenty twenty three playoff
loss to the Packers and I just this.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I know they thought that was the year.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
They thought that was the year everything was gonna come
together and it was all gonna happen, and they were
really good the year, and that's that. This is a
big part. Like the Jimmy Ring of honor. Stuff absolutely
happened for a reason. But they thought this was gonna
be the happy ending of this Netflix series. So I
think there's like ten percent of what hurt Jerry about
this game even more is that we're not gonna get
(09:29):
our happy ending, and we got the cameras on me.
So here's them getting their ass kicked by the Packers.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
T one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
This is for all the marbles.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So it's like Green Bay. The opening drive this nice.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
And the Green Bay Packers had a forty Burger n
figt in the third quarter.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Aw, what a home Ah, what a disaster.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Claus hurt us every way more than anyone we've ever had.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This one's hurt us more than anyone. We were so
my Green Bay. I guess yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
The Cowboys had sucked for so long in the playoffs.
He thought the divisional round was for all the marbles.
He didn't realize there was a conference championship game anymore, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
They that game is a clown show too. When you
watch it, it's so bad. Oh my god, did that
throw it?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Dude? There's that touchdown though, where like they're tied over
of the packers is wide open. It's kind of a
gimmicky play. But there was no one within like forty
yards of him, and I was like, what embarrassing?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Did you guys want to hear a weird Kevin Costner story. Yes,
that was a nass kicking.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
That was an ass kicking, and it.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Hurts your mind, it hurts your self esteem. I can't
walk down these steps were up and without glancing over
this picture and remembering our second Super Bowl. That morning,
I was going out to our walk through and James said, well,
I'll kind of rest up here.
Speaker 11 (11:00):
I said, well, fine, I said, I think Kevin Coster.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Is going to be out there watching the walk though.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
Well, she popped up like Drakla does after sleeping for
a hundred years and went straight up said, I think
I'm going to practice. That look Jeane had for Kevin
Costra is one I had never seen in my life
before or since.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Love's Tough.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I think that clips started reflecting on the game that
they lost, and he turned it into that that's insanity.
I think it's because of the tasteful piano playing Stephen
was doing downstairs.
Speaker 10 (11:37):
So he's got the picture in the hallway or down
the stairway of his wife looking at Kevin Costner with
love in her eyes, and when every things get really bad,
he just goes there and looks at that.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
While holding a glass of whiskey.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
It was I thought, I remember when we would do
the Jerry Show and they were like, hey, don't comment
on the ice. When you hear ice in his glass
in your inner you're not allowed to comment on that.
Don't say anything. We're like, because we were like, Jerry,
you're making a drink over there at ten am, I'm just.
Speaker 12 (12:08):
Looking at a picture of Jean and Kevin Gostner.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All right, where are you gonna take us next?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Kate?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, Jean speaks and more on the bickering about the
herschel Walker trade.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
All right, that's next.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
We are breaking down episode eight, the final episode of
America's Team The Gambler and his Cowboys, the Netflix docu series,
and with more on that, here's Kat.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
All right, let's do it. Welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh please, Jean, the wife of Jerry who is infatuated
with Kevin Costner, aren't we all?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Might be why Kevin Costner got the key to the
city of Irving. Yeah, everyone in Irving is Christina.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Good for them.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He's more of a lost Colinas guy. Here's Gene on this.
Speaker 14 (12:49):
His grandchildren have never been to a Super Bowl. They've
been to so many games where the fans would do
you He's like, I want them to experience the positive.
Over all these years we've had a bump or two
along the road.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You know, you just have a way of moving forward.
Speaker 14 (13:09):
But he just hasn't been able to because there was
something that he couldn't live with.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Jimmy, is what she's alluding to there.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Why can't the kids just learn the lesson? Hey, it's
okay that everyone hates you. You're rich and it doesn't matter. Yeah,
you can buy your friends and hey, you know what,
I bet the Joneses can afford to buy Super Bowl
tickets and go to one, you know, as a family
and just watch it and enjoy it like you know,
other rich people.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean I guess that's I mean, that's a
like that's maybe not the most human way. Yeah, that's
that's that's the cynical response for sure.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
I'm just not feeling the empathy that the grandkids haven't
gotten new experience a trip to the super Bowl because
dad mismanaged the team.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Dad's dad mismanaged the team for thirty years.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know that Steven who told the like some of
them are Jerry Junior or have all been like we
know if he would just but it's who he is
here because of him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So, you know, guys roll billionaires. Everybody shut up.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So Jimmy goes to the Dolphins and doesn't have a
lot of success. There did a lot of head and
shoulders commercials, though It's really it goes back to who
got credit for the Herschel Walker trade.
Speaker 11 (14:19):
Now, we saw each other once or twice, and when
we saw each other, we'd be hugging and.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Were laughing and cutting. Everything was great. But as soon
as we separated.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Someone in order to make the comment, you know, Jimmy
didn't say, well, you know, I made that Herchel Walker trade,
and I.
Speaker 11 (14:33):
Told Jerry that we were going to trade hussel Walker.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
He was kind of astonished and.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
He said, really, you can't get rid of Herschel Walker.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
Jerial here and say that's the problem, and there were
some things that kissed me off about that.
Speaker 13 (14:48):
He started taking shots at me, then I started taking
shots at him.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
Just tiniest d energy ever.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It really is.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Come on, guys, it's.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
So tragic that, like, it could have been the greatest
sports story. It is still one of the greatest sports
stories in our lifetime. Yeah, but it could have been
like the Patriots. It could have been like Tom Brady
could have been so much better than it all collapsed
over ego.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, and you know what else, man, It's like, who
knows what would have happened. They probably would have just
won three and maybe the magic of Jimmy Johnson would
have worn off, or maybe he did have all the
magic solutions and they would have kept drafting and they
would have kept going. It's like it's the great unknown.
It becomes an awesome discussion point. But unless I missed it,
(15:33):
y'all might have seen this. I didn't see anywhere in
this documentary, and it's clearly a huge thing for Jerry Jones.
I didn't see anywhere where Jimmy finally gave Jerry any
credit for the Herschel Walker trade. No, no, like it
doesn't exist. No, it does, and it's such a hang up.
It's such a hang up. It makes me believe Jerry
does really think that he had something to do.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
With I'm glad you said that because a little bit
what the next clip is about, because I do think
Jerry actually kind of admits that it was Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I think, will.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Jimmy Johnson ever be the Ring of Honor while you'll
be honored?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
And if not, why not?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Well I don't think that.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
I don't have plans for Jimmy to be in the
Ring of Honor, me and Charlotte and Troy and Jimmy Man.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And I said, Jimmy, why do you keep saying you
made Derschal Walker grade that was a miracle that happened
to us, and then to have him overreached to take
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, No, it's.
Speaker 15 (16:38):
The wee part.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
And so that's why I always push back that was it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think he's admitting that he had nothing to.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
Do with it.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
He's saying he wanted it to be Weeds always and
you knew that and then you overreached.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
So but again, you know, that's like what lens do
you want to look at something through because I do
believe that Jerry thinks I bought the team.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I make the final decision. I was involved in that.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
And you know, earlier in the episode he claims tech
Shram gave him the idea.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Right, So it's like it's just one of those things
that they never got over.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
I tell you what, it's not the hardest thing to
come up with. You have one good player, yeah, and
he's coveted around the league. The fact that you trade
him to rebuild. It's not rocket science, No it's not.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
But I think also have been at that time period
the concept of rebuilding it was different.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The draft wasn't valued the way it is now.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And also it's the same guy who was asking, could
you write down in order the names of the most
important positions?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And there's only like three position groups.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Coming up next though, more proof that Jerry and Steven
are way different. What's the succession plan? And I really
thought they ended it really good. That's next on ninety
seven to one The Eagle Call.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Don't forget that Free iHeart app as a way to
stream the show. Also listen to podcasts of The Ben
and Skin Show. Make sure to subscribes to get all
of our podcasts ready to just download right there in
your phone. But right now it's time for this kill that,
(18:15):
all right?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I said this thing episode eight of the Cowboys documentary
on Netflix, and this is Jerry expressing a little regret on,
you know, not winning more.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
I look back, I should have hung my hat on
the fact that I knew that Jimmy Johnson wasn't perfect.
He knew that I was one of the most imperfect people.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That he had ever been around. It wasn't just Jerry.
We both screwed it up.
Speaker 15 (18:45):
I'm often asked what would it have looked like had
Jimmy have stayed. Maybe we wouldn't have won any more
Super Bowl, Super But I do believe this that we
would have been in contention each and every year.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I really believe we went fast the best.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Oh yeah, I would not have gotten busted for cocaine.
If Jimmy had stayed, we probably would have whatever he
We'll probably still be winning them every year.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Who knows perfect, It's a so the whole it's not true.
Hold on, Steven.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I'm not trying to be cynical about it, but I
do wonder, you know, when they start going in there
and figuring out how to wrap this thing up with
that playoff game ending the way it is.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Really leaning in more on the Jimmy ring of honor thing.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
And if in the back of my head, you know
Troy's gotten credit for that, and I'm sure he did,
you know, Foster a lot of that good will.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But in the back of Jerry's head was he like.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Man, this is gonna be a great episode eight when
I get.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It mustn't be the penultimate right ring of honor into
winning the.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Super winning the Super Bowl, they make amends, everything's great,
and then Jerry does it on his own, and that's
the ultimate story.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The fracturing is.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
It's so it's so hurtful even thinking back on it now,
and it was obviously the egos broke them apart. But
there's one thing about, Okay, if Jimmy had stayed, how
much would they have won? But there's also okay, if
there wasn't this rift and you could go get another
real coach. I mean, they went and got a circus
clown on purpose. He went and got the dumbest, most
(20:23):
illogical coach replacement that he could to prove a point
that anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Could win with that team. And that also set them
back massively.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I mean obviously not initially because they still won with
Jimmy's team, but I mean I do wonder how many
they could have won if they had whether it was
Jimmy or just another real coach. Yeah, and also too,
like Jerry didn't have any NFL connections, Like he showed
up with his buddy that he knew, and then when
it was tiving to get another one, he turned to
(20:53):
the next guy he knew that also didn't have any
NFL connections, And that's how you suddenly end up with
all right, uh chingalien Campo.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right, It's like if you've.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Been in the league and been around the league, then
you start knowing all these people and meeting all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But he didn't have all that. Hey, Stephen, do your
best impersonation of the Beatles. Uh. Another sign that Jerry
and Steven are way different, though.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Broad closure to something that really there was never, in my.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Mind, as big a.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Rift as most people thought they were. First of all,
you can't have a coach that's not on the same
page with you. I don't believe in the technical X
and O aspect.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
I used to believe more it was the charisma, and
then now I'm more convinced.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
That it is the x'es and o's and the technical Yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:50):
You're frustrating, it's the hot dogs and the hot dogs,
but it's are the exact same conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I like the bun, but that's not the exs and
o's as the head coach. No, it needs to be
that a little bit. I mean, I get it vibe
and all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I think the bottom line is that the do it
all matters, guys, absolutely all mass it all matters.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Steven's willing to tap in, like, let's get an innovative
offense going though.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I think that's what he's saying. I think so too.
What is the succession plan? You gotta watch Succession, my dude.
You gotta get to it tonight.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Come on, brother, Now that I'm down, brother, okay, hold on, Holkster.
Now that I'm done with this Cowboys documentary and I've
started the Ed Sullivan documentary, did you guys start watching that?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I won't watch that.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
It's really pretty amazing, but but yeah, man, now I'm
gonna go back and watch Succession.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You need to do it before Jerry passes on. Hey man,
watch it. What's the succession plan, you guys?
Speaker 10 (22:50):
What's the succession plan for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
My answer is, I want to enjoy every moment that
my dad's I want to enjoy every moment.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
The rest to take care of it.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
So do I really want a Super Bowl to happen
with dad soon?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Of course I did.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
But we'd say we'll get him next time. But we're
running out of we'll get him next time.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They didn't even let Jerry Junior finish the sentence. It
was it is.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
It is an interesting question. What are you guys going
to do after your dad dies? That's the question. Yeah,
I mean that's that's intense.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
One of the one of the like it's we can
all kick Jerry and the nuts on so many things.
But the fact that he wanted to work with his
family is pretty awesome. I mean they are a tight
knit family and they all got jobs and careers out
of it, and they see each other all day every day,
and there is something really cool about that. I know,
that's huge family values for them, just being tight knit.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I never question his like family man values until like
three years ago, because I still think he could have
gone and had lunch by SMU with the gate agent's daughter,
which is his daughter. Yeah, I still think he could
have gone. No, they eventually they've made up. I know,
I think I during the time, I think they could
have gone to Jimmy Johns and had a sandwich together
(24:18):
and to Jimmy Johnson's name.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I understand that, but I don't know. Dude, I don't.
I don't know that much about all that.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
And Dude, I'm not going to sit here and say
that a guy who has had plenty of alleged indiscretions
or fun is the greatest family guy ever. But I'm
what I'm specifically talking about is like a father and
his kids.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That part is really cool to me.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I thought dion ate this last quote. I thought, dion
ate this. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
I want to do a documentary on Dion's decision to
wear a cowboy hat. In this documentary, he's because I
think it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Colorado Buffalo guy. Now, by the way, to just see
the news on Ralphie No strange of Buffalo's mascot.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No he has the story is well she Ralphie's as
she weirdly too.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The Buffalo has decided uh, they're they're they're gonna cancel
it this year because of its indifference to running.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's how I was putting the news story.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Ralph.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's like, I'm old man, I ain't gonna run anymore.
Run over, NOx. I never see Bebo running? Why do
I got to run? Sorry? This is my second to
last clip though. I didn't think dionn ate this.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They're not chasing so that the Eagles or whoever is
the best team in the East. They're chasing their formal cowboys.
That's who they're chasing. And that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
That that was really good, beautiful thing. By the way,
it's a painful thing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It was good.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
And then there was a great montage and then they
came back did more.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I mean, it would be good to end it, right.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
That was so strange to me.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I thought I was watching the end of it was like, well,
let's do what else they have to say?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Now?
Speaker 10 (26:07):
That was what That was a perfect ending. Yes, and
it's true, it's really all this is in a time warp.
It's like a thirty thirty five year time warp.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I would also say about that, I think it would
be a little different if an NFC's team had won
the division twice in a row, and that hasn't happened
since two thousand and four. So we're onto that again,
like it's been a different team, like if it was
a team that was just stacking up five, six, seven
years in rold Win the NFC.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So you really might be chasing the Eagles. You're kind
of not, because.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You've all gotten to win the division and then go
on and whatever you do in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Okay, but the Eagles have won two Super Bowls in
the last what six years.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I think that's where the page could be turning a
little bit until this documentary was released and everyone thought
about the nineties again.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
So what did they come back with after the Dion thing?
Why didn't they ended on that? I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Jared was just Steven doing his laundry. Jared, what was
this problems like for you? This is that we end
the thing? I don't know what twist has proven.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
As a matter of fact, when I started trying to
add up to the pluses and the takeaways and what
have you, maybe all it's exposed as a flog.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Journey that yeah, he drops an F bomb, that's what's
last Yeah, what do he say? It was a f
and ride. It's been a hell of that was I
just remember him dropping an F bomb. I enjoyed that
very much.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
And then he cracks open another bottle of whiskey and
starts walking around some stairs looking at pictures. You know,
what an amazing journey though.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It was very good. It was good.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I love the true crime element of episode seven, the
cocaine cowboy, I love the My favorite part of all
this is just the old footage of the old newscast,
local newscast, the old commercials from back the day, and
a lot of like the fan reactions on the street.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
I love all that stuff. I thought it was one
of the best documentaries I've ever seen. And it's been
rare to have a documentary made about something you were
so close to or that meant so much to you,
or that you lived so long ago, and the fact
that it still resonates because the same dysfunction is so prevalent.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, how's it doing on Rotten Tomatoes?
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I mean it's ranks like number is it number seven
on Netflix right now?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Is that right?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Top ten?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Still there?
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Man, they don't have a rating for it on Rotten tomatoes.
Yet they should get to that soon. That'd be good
they did that.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I'm still so interested in the geometry of Jimmy Johnson's
hair is weird. It is really amazing, and then some
of the you know, like, you know, if I had
that hair, I'd probably go really short on the sides,
you know, to try to mitigate the wall.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But he does. He's good.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
It's almost like he's never seen a profile of himself and.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
He's like, no, this is exactly the way it's supposed
to look.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
And he's been committed to it for decades and I'm like,
that's I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It's the hair helmet, it is. It absolutely is well.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
I'll never forget the time that Kat looked Jimmy Johnson's
hairdresser dead in his eye and he said.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You can get over anything if you try hard enough,
And that was the theme of the documentary.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Christina, you gonna stick around play music till ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Skin Hell, yeah, don't go nowhere.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Christina's got tunes next on the Eagle here you going, Well.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I'm gonna get my sack back.
Speaker 15 (29:30):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I had to take a poop
Anela.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Cowboys All Right, Episode eight, the final one on this
Cowboys documentary on Netflix, And this one does end up
(00:23):
being a lot about Jerry.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
But I'm gonna start off with the clip.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
This is where Tony Romo and Dale Hanson, the legendary
Channel Height reporter, disagree on something.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
There are kids in college now who have grown up
never knowing how good the Cowboys used to be.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
And the reason they're not I blame one man to
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
The main job of an oponent is to hire good
people to do their job.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
Who the hell's he hired? Hoji said, nobody wants, but
he wants to win. He brought in Bill Parcells.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
That's the right guy.
Speaker 6 (00:58):
Nineteen You are few, Okay.
Speaker 7 (01:10):
You know what I remember most about that Seattle playoff game.
I was building a bike for my kid for Christmas,
and boy when and ask what that is? I was
in the living room watching that game build from building
a bike and just a double nutkick for it to
end like that and still have a bike to.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Build, just brutal.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Didn't that cause Parcels to quit? That was the last
game he had enough.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That was it. He never coached again after that moment.
Speaker 7 (01:34):
Nope, you know, and and the other thing too, So
there's there's that's there's a lot going on there one.
I mean, I think Romo's being fair, But all the
chatter was about the fact he brought in Bill Parcells
to restore confidence to get the stadium built. Yep, there's
a little There was a lot of talk about that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's what the next clip is actually, Oh is that right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
But real quick, Romo was holding because he was the
backup quarterback at the time.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
No, he was the starting quarterback. Well, he had taken
over for Butzoe in the middle of the year. Yeah,
he he just stayed on special teams I think.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Yeah, he was the starting quarterback for the back part
and the playoffs and all that.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
You'd never have your starting quarterback holding, No, Like I
guess they just didn't. It was too late to get
somebody else to do it or something. I don't know.
Was they it a good snap or not? Don't know. Well,
the ball was covered in hair, jel, Yeah, they got
what that ball.
Speaker 7 (02:24):
There was talk about because that game was in Seattle, right,
and there was talk about something happening with the ball.
Oh wow, Yeah, I just I don't remember all that now, okay,
here's clip on the stadium.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Despite the fact that losing he needed to build the
new stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
In the midst of a global economic recession, Jerry Jones
is going all ay, He's breaking ground on what will
become at the most expensive sports venue in American history.
Speaker 8 (02:49):
Tens of thousands of fans at concerts.
Speaker 9 (02:51):
At AT and T Stadium, they got all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh I'm not out there and watch me at this draft.
I just wanted his voice in.
Speaker 7 (03:01):
But I want to go back to what Romo and
Dale Hanson were saying, Like, Jerry fired Dale Hanson, so
Dale Hanson has an extra grind. Now the whole idea
to the only hires guys nobody wants. Jason Garrett was
highly coveted when the Cowboys hired him. He had an
incredible reputation. The knock on what they did with Jason
(03:22):
was they kept him way too long, And that was
where you get into the whole thing about Jerry's just
doing whatever's comfortable and having guys there.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
That he you know, can kind of Ramrod and all that.
Speaker 7 (03:34):
But Wade Phillips had a great reputation when he was hired. Here,
Bill Parcells obviously was a legend, and Jason Garrett was
a highly coveted coach prospect when he was hired at
the time.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
So I would disagree with what Dale saying.
Speaker 10 (03:47):
There's some truth to it though, because some of the
guys he's gotten are so spare. Yeah, the guy's before
fun and what's the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Gaily was a hot name.
Speaker 10 (03:58):
The honestly, Shoddy is just a guy. Nobody else was
trying to hire him for an open head coaching position. Yeah,
it may work out great, but it's just some guy
who was there. Yeah, you guys want to touch on
some Jerry Jones controversies.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
Yeah, we're gonna start with this photos and it shows
Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among a crowd of white
students trying to keep black students from integrating.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
H that's sixty five years ago.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I had no idea of when I've walked up there, what.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We want to keep doing?
Speaker 7 (04:25):
Jones said, quote, if we are disrespecting the flag, then
we won't play.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Period just twenty seconds to cover some quick Jerry Jones
controversies and then they move on to good stuff like
that was very wild. We could spend more time with
this documentary but it'd have to be at one hundred
part documentary series.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I honestly, people can think whatever they want.
Speaker 7 (04:45):
I think that Jerry getting criticism for being part of
a crowd at a historic event is unfair, right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I don't think there's ever been anything about Jerry Jones
that anyone could hang their hat on that he is
racist in any way whatsoever.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
And I would also like to say that if you
were white person in Arkansas during that time period, there's
a ninety five percent chance that you were racist to
some degree. Now, whether or not you are trying to
stop people from going to school or anti civil rights,
there's different degrees to all of this. But most people
are a product of their environment. And if you grew up,
(05:19):
if you were a white person growing up in the
rural South, it's very unlikely you had progressive views on
race relations.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
When we come back, why won't Jerry ever hire a
GM And then I have a combo platter of Steven
and Jerry funny sounds that you need to hear.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
That's next.
Speaker 7 (05:33):
I still hope you have great Labor Day plans, Labor
Day weekend plans coming up tomorrow. No doubt we will
get into all the things you can be doing over
the weekend. But we are smack dab and what feels
like the end of a really long series We've been
doing on the Ben and Skin Show, going over all
eight episodes of America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
and we were talking about episode eight, which is the
(05:55):
resolution episode, very much dialed in on Jerry and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Cary, why won't you hire a general manager?
Speaker 11 (06:01):
I'm off and asked the question, why don't I hire
a general medagor? I've had people that said, Jerry, you
subject yourself to so much criticism, you need a buffer.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I don't like it like that.
Speaker 9 (06:16):
I like the pain.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How many times has that been uttered in a sexual experience?
Speaker 7 (06:23):
You know what the problem with that? I know what
he's trying to say. I like the pain, and I
get what he's trying to say. But that's the classic.
You can't see the forest for the trees, and you're
just looking at yourself. What you're not realizing is all
the pain you're inflicting on your fan base by having
it just your way, no matter what.
Speaker 9 (06:41):
Well in the team too, not just the fan base,
all of it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I've had his grandkids we'll get to that a little bit.
Speaker 7 (06:47):
How about later, how about something we brought up earlier
members talking about this, how about the pain he inflicted
on Troy Aiateman exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
You know, it's like, because you're selfish in your own world,
and he's like, no, this is about me. I'm gonna
I don't need a buffer this.
Speaker 7 (07:01):
But it's a billionaire and his toy. Yeah, it's it's
very much like, uh, you know KT. You love fantasy football.
Speaker 10 (07:07):
I'm like, it could probably be better if you had a
consultant run your team who was like really good, one
of the best in the country.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Start at KT.
Speaker 10 (07:14):
Not as much fun for you with your fantasy team
if some consultant is running it for you.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I've really fell off since I joined Machines two Dynasty Leagues.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
Man, I was I was willing to let Craig Tray
run my SNL fantasy ty.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Okay, So this is Stephen and Jerry a practice in
twenty three three. They're talking to the president of the Rams.
It's kind of funny, and there's a noise that I
just couldn't get over, so one thought we'd pull it together.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Jerry said it best in the press conference he goes,
I'm tired of winning the season here.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I want to win at the end of the season
in the playoff. The balls to put.
Speaker 11 (07:51):
It all out there the way y'all did on that quarterback,
I won't do that. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I was like me when I made that noise. Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
And ah.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
This sounds kind of verbs scaring the fact that that
was a horrible conversation, the terrible, terrible. I mean, that
is the worst small talk all documentaries about him being
all in and he's got the big balls to do
whatever he's like.
Speaker 12 (08:24):
I ain't got the balls to sign an old quarterback
like y'all did. Y'all traded for Matthew Stafford. I'd never
do that. Those noises are great.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
I love all the older footage of Steven. I think
his mouth is open and everything good.
Speaker 13 (08:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Steve is the guy, though. I come away from this
entire thing thinking better of Yeah. I think for me
it was Jerry Jr.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
He was goodness, he had a good probably thirty five
seconds of the eight parts.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
This is a game that I encourage you all to
not go back and watch the twenty twenty three playoff
loss to the Packers and I just this.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I know they thought that was the year.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
They thought that was the year everything was gonna come
together and it was all gonna happen, and they were
really good the year, and that's that. This is a
big part. Like the Jimmy Ring of honor. Stuff absolutely
happened for a reason. But they thought this was gonna
be the happy ending of this Netflix series. So I
think there's like ten percent of what hurt Jerry about
this game even more is that we're not gonna get
(09:29):
our happy ending, and we got the cameras on me.
So here's them getting their ass kicked by the Packers.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
T one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
This is for all the marbles.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
So it's like Green Bay. The opening drive this nice.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
And the Green Bay Packers had a forty Burger n
figt in the third quarter.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Aw, what a home Ah, what a disaster.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Claus hurt us every way more than anyone we've ever had.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
This one's hurt us more than anyone. We were so
my Green Bay. I guess yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
The Cowboys had sucked for so long in the playoffs.
He thought the divisional round was for all the marbles.
He didn't realize there was a conference championship game anymore, dude.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
They that game is a clown show too. When you
watch it, it's so bad. Oh my god, did that
throw it?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Dude? There's that touchdown though, where like they're tied over
of the packers is wide open. It's kind of a
gimmicky play. But there was no one within like forty
yards of him, and I was like, what embarrassing?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Oh my god?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Did you guys want to hear a weird Kevin Costner story. Yes,
that was a nass kicking.
Speaker 8 (10:39):
That was an ass kicking, and it.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Hurts your mind, it hurts your self esteem. I can't
walk down these steps were up and without glancing over
this picture and remembering our second Super Bowl. That morning,
I was going out to our walk through and James said, well,
I'll kind of rest up here.
Speaker 11 (11:00):
I said, well, fine, I said, I think Kevin Coster.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Is going to be out there watching the walk though.
Speaker 11 (11:06):
Well, she popped up like Drakla does after sleeping for
a hundred years and went straight up said, I think
I'm going to practice. That look Jeane had for Kevin
Costra is one I had never seen in my life
before or since.
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Love's Tough.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
I think that clips started reflecting on the game that
they lost, and he turned it into that that's insanity.
I think it's because of the tasteful piano playing Stephen
was doing downstairs.
Speaker 10 (11:37):
So he's got the picture in the hallway or down
the stairway of his wife looking at Kevin Costner with
love in her eyes, and when every things get really bad,
he just goes there and looks at that.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
While holding a glass of whiskey.
Speaker 10 (11:52):
It was I thought, I remember when we would do
the Jerry Show and they were like, hey, don't comment
on the ice. When you hear ice in his glass
in your inner you're not allowed to comment on that.
Don't say anything. We're like, because we were like, Jerry,
you're making a drink over there at ten am, I'm just.
Speaker 12 (12:08):
Looking at a picture of Jean and Kevin Gostner.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
All right, where are you gonna take us next?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Kate?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well, Jean speaks and more on the bickering about the
herschel Walker trade.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
All right, that's next.
Speaker 10 (12:20):
We are breaking down episode eight, the final episode of
America's Team The Gambler and his Cowboys, the Netflix docu series,
and with more on that, here's Kat.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
All right, let's do it. Welcome.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Oh please, Jean, the wife of Jerry who is infatuated
with Kevin Costner, aren't we all?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Might be why Kevin Costner got the key to the
city of Irving. Yeah, everyone in Irving is Christina.
Speaker 9 (12:44):
Good for them.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
He's more of a lost Colinas guy. Here's Gene on this.
Speaker 14 (12:49):
His grandchildren have never been to a Super Bowl. They've
been to so many games where the fans would do
you He's like, I want them to experience the positive.
Over all these years we've had a bump or two
along the road.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You know, you just have a way of moving forward.
Speaker 14 (13:09):
But he just hasn't been able to because there was
something that he couldn't live with.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Jimmy, is what she's alluding to there.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Why can't the kids just learn the lesson? Hey, it's
okay that everyone hates you. You're rich and it doesn't matter. Yeah,
you can buy your friends and hey, you know what,
I bet the Joneses can afford to buy Super Bowl
tickets and go to one, you know, as a family
and just watch it and enjoy it like you know,
other rich people.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean I guess that's I mean, that's a
like that's maybe not the most human way. Yeah, that's
that's that's the cynical response for sure.
Speaker 7 (13:45):
I'm just not feeling the empathy that the grandkids haven't
gotten new experience a trip to the super Bowl because
dad mismanaged the team.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Dad's dad mismanaged the team for thirty years.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know that Steven who told the like some of
them are Jerry Junior or have all been like we
know if he would just but it's who he is
here because of him.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So, you know, guys roll billionaires. Everybody shut up.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So Jimmy goes to the Dolphins and doesn't have a
lot of success. There did a lot of head and
shoulders commercials, though It's really it goes back to who
got credit for the Herschel Walker trade.
Speaker 11 (14:19):
Now, we saw each other once or twice, and when
we saw each other, we'd be hugging and.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Were laughing and cutting. Everything was great. But as soon
as we separated.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Someone in order to make the comment, you know, Jimmy
didn't say, well, you know, I made that Herchel Walker trade,
and I.
Speaker 11 (14:33):
Told Jerry that we were going to trade hussel Walker.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
He was kind of astonished and.
Speaker 10 (14:37):
He said, really, you can't get rid of Herschel Walker.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
Jerial here and say that's the problem, and there were
some things that kissed me off about that.
Speaker 13 (14:48):
He started taking shots at me, then I started taking
shots at him.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
Just tiniest d energy ever.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
It really is.
Speaker 9 (14:57):
Come on, guys, it's.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
So tragic that, like, it could have been the greatest
sports story. It is still one of the greatest sports
stories in our lifetime. Yeah, but it could have been
like the Patriots. It could have been like Tom Brady
could have been so much better than it all collapsed
over ego.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, and you know what else, man, It's like, who
knows what would have happened. They probably would have just
won three and maybe the magic of Jimmy Johnson would
have worn off, or maybe he did have all the
magic solutions and they would have kept drafting and they
would have kept going. It's like it's the great unknown.
It becomes an awesome discussion point. But unless I missed it,
(15:33):
y'all might have seen this. I didn't see anywhere in
this documentary, and it's clearly a huge thing for Jerry Jones.
I didn't see anywhere where Jimmy finally gave Jerry any
credit for the Herschel Walker trade. No, no, like it
doesn't exist. No, it does, and it's such a hang up.
It's such a hang up. It makes me believe Jerry
does really think that he had something to do.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
With I'm glad you said that because a little bit
what the next clip is about, because I do think
Jerry actually kind of admits that it was Jimmy.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
I think, will.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Jimmy Johnson ever be the Ring of Honor while you'll
be honored?
Speaker 7 (16:08):
And if not, why not?
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Well I don't think that.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
I don't have plans for Jimmy to be in the
Ring of Honor, me and Charlotte and Troy and Jimmy Man.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And I said, Jimmy, why do you keep saying you
made Derschal Walker grade that was a miracle that happened
to us, and then to have him overreached to take
credit for it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
No, No, it's.
Speaker 15 (16:38):
The wee part.
Speaker 8 (16:39):
And so that's why I always push back that was it.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think he's admitting that he had nothing to.
Speaker 11 (16:45):
Do with it.
Speaker 10 (16:47):
He's saying he wanted it to be Weeds always and
you knew that and then you overreached.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
So but again, you know, that's like what lens do
you want to look at something through because I do
believe that Jerry thinks I bought the team.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I make the final decision. I was involved in that.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
And you know, earlier in the episode he claims tech
Shram gave him the idea.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
Right, So it's like it's just one of those things
that they never got over.
Speaker 10 (17:14):
I tell you what, it's not the hardest thing to
come up with. You have one good player, yeah, and
he's coveted around the league. The fact that you trade
him to rebuild. It's not rocket science, No it's not.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
But I think also have been at that time period
the concept of rebuilding it was different.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
The draft wasn't valued the way it is now.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And also it's the same guy who was asking, could
you write down in order the names of the most
important positions?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And there's only like three position groups.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Coming up next though, more proof that Jerry and Steven
are way different. What's the succession plan? And I really
thought they ended it really good. That's next on ninety
seven to one The Eagle Call.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
Don't forget that Free iHeart app as a way to
stream the show. Also listen to podcasts of The Ben
and Skin Show. Make sure to subscribes to get all
of our podcasts ready to just download right there in
your phone. But right now it's time for this kill that,
(18:15):
all right?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I said this thing episode eight of the Cowboys documentary
on Netflix, and this is Jerry expressing a little regret on,
you know, not winning more.
Speaker 13 (18:26):
I look back, I should have hung my hat on
the fact that I knew that Jimmy Johnson wasn't perfect.
He knew that I was one of the most imperfect people.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
That he had ever been around. It wasn't just Jerry.
We both screwed it up.
Speaker 15 (18:45):
I'm often asked what would it have looked like had
Jimmy have stayed. Maybe we wouldn't have won any more
Super Bowl, Super But I do believe this that we
would have been in contention each and every year.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
I really believe we went fast the best.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Oh yeah, I would not have gotten busted for cocaine.
If Jimmy had stayed, we probably would have whatever he
We'll probably still be winning them every year.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Who knows perfect, It's a so the whole it's not true.
Hold on, Steven.
Speaker 7 (19:20):
I'm not trying to be cynical about it, but I
do wonder, you know, when they start going in there
and figuring out how to wrap this thing up with
that playoff game ending the way it is.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Really leaning in more on the Jimmy ring of honor thing.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
And if in the back of my head, you know
Troy's gotten credit for that, and I'm sure he did,
you know, Foster a lot of that good will.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But in the back of Jerry's head was he like.
Speaker 7 (19:45):
Man, this is gonna be a great episode eight when
I get.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
It mustn't be the penultimate right ring of honor into
winning the.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
Super winning the Super Bowl, they make amends, everything's great,
and then Jerry does it on his own, and that's
the ultimate story.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The fracturing is.
Speaker 10 (20:02):
It's so it's so hurtful even thinking back on it now,
and it was obviously the egos broke them apart. But
there's one thing about, Okay, if Jimmy had stayed, how
much would they have won? But there's also okay, if
there wasn't this rift and you could go get another
real coach. I mean, they went and got a circus
clown on purpose. He went and got the dumbest, most
(20:23):
illogical coach replacement that he could to prove a point
that anyone.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Could win with that team. And that also set them
back massively.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I mean obviously not initially because they still won with
Jimmy's team, but I mean I do wonder how many
they could have won if they had whether it was
Jimmy or just another real coach. Yeah, and also too,
like Jerry didn't have any NFL connections, Like he showed
up with his buddy that he knew, and then when
it was tiving to get another one, he turned to
(20:53):
the next guy he knew that also didn't have any
NFL connections, And that's how you suddenly end up with
all right, uh chingalien Campo.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right, It's like if you've.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Been in the league and been around the league, then
you start knowing all these people and meeting all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
But he didn't have all that. Hey, Stephen, do your
best impersonation of the Beatles. Uh. Another sign that Jerry
and Steven are way different, though.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Broad closure to something that really there was never, in my.
Speaker 13 (21:24):
Mind, as big a.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Rift as most people thought they were. First of all,
you can't have a coach that's not on the same
page with you. I don't believe in the technical X
and O aspect.
Speaker 7 (21:41):
I used to believe more it was the charisma, and
then now I'm more convinced.
Speaker 8 (21:45):
That it is the x'es and o's and the technical Yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:50):
You're frustrating, it's the hot dogs and the hot dogs,
but it's are the exact same conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I like the bun, but that's not the exs and
o's as the head coach. No, it needs to be
that a little bit. I mean, I get it vibe
and all that stuff.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
I think the bottom line is that the do it
all matters, guys, absolutely all mass it all matters.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Steven's willing to tap in, like, let's get an innovative
offense going though.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I think that's what he's saying. I think so too.
What is the succession plan? You gotta watch Succession, my dude.
You gotta get to it tonight.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
Come on, brother, Now that I'm down, brother, okay, hold on, Holkster.
Now that I'm done with this Cowboys documentary and I've
started the Ed Sullivan documentary, did you guys start watching that?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I won't watch that.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
It's really pretty amazing, but but yeah, man, now I'm
gonna go back and watch Succession.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You need to do it before Jerry passes on. Hey man,
watch it. What's the succession plan, you guys?
Speaker 10 (22:50):
What's the succession plan for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
My answer is, I want to enjoy every moment that
my dad's I want to enjoy every moment.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
The rest to take care of it.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
So do I really want a Super Bowl to happen
with dad soon?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Of course I did.
Speaker 9 (23:13):
But we'd say we'll get him next time. But we're
running out of we'll get him next time.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
They didn't even let Jerry Junior finish the sentence. It
was it is.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
It is an interesting question. What are you guys going
to do after your dad dies? That's the question. Yeah,
I mean that's that's intense.
Speaker 10 (23:34):
One of the one of the like it's we can
all kick Jerry and the nuts on so many things.
But the fact that he wanted to work with his
family is pretty awesome. I mean they are a tight
knit family and they all got jobs and careers out
of it, and they see each other all day every day,
and there is something really cool about that. I know,
that's huge family values for them, just being tight knit.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
I never question his like family man values until like
three years ago, because I still think he could have
gone and had lunch by SMU with the gate agent's daughter,
which is his daughter. Yeah, I still think he could
have gone. No, they eventually they've made up. I know,
I think I during the time, I think they could
have gone to Jimmy Johns and had a sandwich together
(24:18):
and to Jimmy Johnson's name.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I understand that, but I don't know. Dude, I don't.
I don't know that much about all that.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
And Dude, I'm not going to sit here and say
that a guy who has had plenty of alleged indiscretions
or fun is the greatest family guy ever. But I'm
what I'm specifically talking about is like a father and
his kids.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That part is really cool to me.
Speaker 9 (24:38):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I thought dion ate this last quote. I thought, dion
ate this. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
I want to do a documentary on Dion's decision to
wear a cowboy hat. In this documentary, he's because I
think it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Colorado Buffalo guy. Now, by the way, to just see
the news on Ralphie No strange of Buffalo's mascot.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No he has the story is well she Ralphie's as
she weirdly too.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
The Buffalo has decided uh, they're they're they're gonna cancel
it this year because of its indifference to running.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's how I was putting the news story.
Speaker 11 (25:20):
Ralph.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's like, I'm old man, I ain't gonna run anymore.
Run over, NOx. I never see Bebo running? Why do
I got to run? Sorry? This is my second to
last clip though. I didn't think dionn ate this.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They're not chasing so that the Eagles or whoever is
the best team in the East. They're chasing their formal cowboys.
That's who they're chasing. And that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 9 (25:51):
That that was really good, beautiful thing. By the way,
it's a painful thing.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It was good.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
And then there was a great montage and then they
came back did more.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
I mean, it would be good to end it, right.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
That was so strange to me.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
I thought I was watching the end of it was like, well,
let's do what else they have to say?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Now?
Speaker 10 (26:07):
That was what That was a perfect ending. Yes, and
it's true, it's really all this is in a time warp.
It's like a thirty thirty five year time warp.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
I would also say about that, I think it would
be a little different if an NFC's team had won
the division twice in a row, and that hasn't happened
since two thousand and four. So we're onto that again,
like it's been a different team, like if it was
a team that was just stacking up five, six, seven
years in rold Win the NFC.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
So you really might be chasing the Eagles. You're kind
of not, because.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
You've all gotten to win the division and then go
on and whatever you do in the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
Okay, but the Eagles have won two Super Bowls in
the last what six years.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I think that's where the page could be turning a
little bit until this documentary was released and everyone thought
about the nineties again.
Speaker 10 (26:52):
So what did they come back with after the Dion thing?
Why didn't they ended on that? I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Jared was just Steven doing his laundry. Jared, what was
this problems like for you? This is that we end
the thing? I don't know what twist has proven.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
As a matter of fact, when I started trying to
add up to the pluses and the takeaways and what
have you, maybe all it's exposed as a flog.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Journey that yeah, he drops an F bomb, that's what's
last Yeah, what do he say? It was a f
and ride. It's been a hell of that was I
just remember him dropping an F bomb. I enjoyed that
very much.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
And then he cracks open another bottle of whiskey and
starts walking around some stairs looking at pictures. You know,
what an amazing journey though.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It was very good. It was good.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I love the true crime element of episode seven, the
cocaine cowboy, I love the My favorite part of all
this is just the old footage of the old newscast,
local newscast, the old commercials from back the day, and
a lot of like the fan reactions on the street.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
I love all that stuff. I thought it was one
of the best documentaries I've ever seen. And it's been
rare to have a documentary made about something you were
so close to or that meant so much to you,
or that you lived so long ago, and the fact
that it still resonates because the same dysfunction is so prevalent.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, how's it doing on Rotten Tomatoes?
Speaker 9 (28:24):
I mean it's ranks like number is it number seven
on Netflix right now?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Is that right?
Speaker 9 (28:28):
Top ten?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Still there?
Speaker 9 (28:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Man, they don't have a rating for it on Rotten tomatoes.
Yet they should get to that soon. That'd be good
they did that.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I'm still so interested in the geometry of Jimmy Johnson's
hair is weird. It is really amazing, and then some
of the you know, like, you know, if I had
that hair, I'd probably go really short on the sides,
you know, to try to mitigate the wall.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But he does. He's good.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
It's almost like he's never seen a profile of himself and.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
He's like, no, this is exactly the way it's supposed
to look.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
And he's been committed to it for decades and I'm like,
that's I love it.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
It's the hair helmet, it is. It absolutely is well.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
I'll never forget the time that Kat looked Jimmy Johnson's
hairdresser dead in his eye and he said.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
You can get over anything if you try hard enough,
And that was the theme of the documentary.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Christina, you gonna stick around play music till ten o'clock.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Skin Hell, yeah, don't go nowhere.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Christina's got tunes next on the Eagle here you going, Well.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I'm gonna get my sack back.
Speaker 15 (29:30):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I had to take a poop
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.