August 1, 2025 • 30 mins
We spent the 5pm hour covering the biggest DFW story of the day, the trade request from Micah Parsons. Is he serious? Is this just a negotiating tactic, or has Jerry really stepped in it this time? So many angles, so little time, so here's the Ben and Skin show on MICAHGATE
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A fella cowboy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So before the show, Michael Parsons put out a pretty
long statement on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Read all of it. I don't read all of it.
I want to read the first part.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes, I wanted to be here, did everything I couldn't
show that I wanted to be a cowboy worth the
start on the helmet. I wanted to play in front
of the best fans in sports and make this American's
team once again, make America's team great again, the team
that's dad cheered for growing up. And then he says, Unfortunately,
I no.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Longer want to be here. Aw I no longer want to.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Be held to closed door note negotiations without my agent present.
I no longer want shots taken at me for getting
injured while laying it on the line for the organization
and our fans and teammates. And I no longer want
narratives created and spread to the media about me I
purposely stayed quiet and hopes of getting something now blah
blah blah, blah, blah blah blah. And then he formally
says that he personally put in a trade request to
(01:06):
Stephen Jones. I'm not well sure the logistics of that,
but either way, pulled him.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Aside on the practice field. Hey Stephen, I want to
be traded.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Wich probably real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I just want to say Mike is under contract for
this year for twenty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So he's it's good money.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's what the cowboys are can tell you too, Like right,
he's he can go play.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is this is bad on many levels.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Look, he gets into kind of how things have gone
on his contract, and we've heard some of this, but
he basically spilled the beans on everything, and he said,
you know, I came to them after my third year
and I told my agent I want to be a cowboy.
And his agent's like, no, wait, there's some big pass
rushers that are gonna get paid ahead of you, and
every time one of them gets paid, you'll get a raise.
And he's like, now, I don't even care about that.
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I just want to be a cowboy. So we had
heard he would have signed for thirty three thirty four
to thirty five million dollars a year last year, and
now you know they're looking at forty two million something
like that is what it's going to cost Italy East
Or a year at least maybe forty three four right,
or if you piss a guy off, maybe it's gonna
take fifty million a year to get him stay. Because
he said been in that post. He said, you know that,
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his agent said no, let's not sign now. Wait and
once everybody signs, we'll sign after that. So that tells
you exactly what they would be asking for with the
agent if they didn't do the deal when Micah wanted
to do this. So Michah wants to do a deal,
give the Cowboys a discount, get his security, you know,
get his future secured early, and I'm not worried about
squeezing every penny. And then the Cowboys went dark on
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him and didn't even communicate. And then the first time
he gets a chance to really communicate with them, it's
it's to talk about leadership. So he's talking to Jerry
Jones about leadership and it's a one on one or whatever. Well,
somehow in that conversation, Jerry brings up the contract. So
now they're talking contract. Jerry's like, well, it's just you know,
me and you talking here. What are you looking for?
What would you really like to get out of this deal?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
This is what I want, Jerry, I want this, this
and this, and you don't really want to break the bank.
Do you want us to be able to afford to
pay other good players around you?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right, Micah?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, well yeah, Jerry, Okay, well good, We're on the
same page.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So then Micah's agent reaches back out to the Cowboys
and says, hey, we're ready to negotiate, and they're like,
what are you talking about? Jerry and Micah negotiated the
deal already. There's we got a done deal. There's nothing
to negotiate. Thanks for reaching out to see you.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Later, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And this is the way that Mike is presenting it.
And if this is actually what they thought that was
going to happen, one of the problems for the Cowboys
fan moving forward is that incredibly arrogant people have become
even more arrogant, and the idea that you really think
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that the agent, you can just disregard the agent and
the players just gonna sign without you.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Jerry said he didn't know his name.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I know, I'm just saying, but that that was his
way of being arrogant.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Katie. It's insulting. And one of our other.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Players, I was I said this on the air the
other day because I really had. I'd never thought anything
like this, but I was really having these thoughts where
I was like, Man, I would love for Mica just
to go somewhere else, just to tell the Cowboys how
horrible they are and how horrible they treat people. And
the thing is that it's like bothersome about this to
me is in this level of elitism is I don't
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think they think they're treating people like trash. They're so
they they've elevated themselves to such a degree. They used
to kind of at least present this sort of like
Arkansas fulsiness, and now that they're worth ten billion or
whatever it is, they don't exude that at all anymore.
Now they're just elites that sound like hillbilly's and that
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it's it's like they've become so unlikable to me. And
I used to really enjoy when we'd have Jerry on
the show and all that, but the direction it continually
goes like, I'm not delusional about sports.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
This is why you know. I was upset about the
Luca trade.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I love Luca, but I follow other teams, and so
I realized when different ownership groups come in, things change.
But for the Cowboys We've been doing sports Talk the
entire time we've done it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
The Cowboys have.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Been owned by Jerry Jones, and there's been this whole
way in which they do things. And I've always liked Jerry,
and we like those parties and things. But over the
last three or four years, to me personally, they've just
become increasingly more unrelatable and unlikable.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And this whole thing is.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I'm like, this guy wants to be a cowboy and
you're trying so hard to make yourself unlikable in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
All Right, I want to weigh in on this too.
I know you do too, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So coming up next in just over three minutes, we'll
continue this conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
We're talking Dallas Cowboys football, Michael Parsons his trade requests.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We're doing that next.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
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Speaker 3 (06:02):
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Speaker 4 (06:04):
But the significance of being outside the league is the
biggest story in the world of sports, maybe even the
news this week or today at least, as Micah Parsons
has demanded a trade from the Dallas Cowboys said in
a Twitter post that or an ex post that he
told Stephen Jones personally he'd like to be traded and
lined out the reasons why we went over it in
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the last segment, and it's left Cowboys fans and people following.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The story feeling pretty salty about the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, it's truly embarrassing for the Dallas Cowboys, but I
don't know that they look at it that way. I
don't know if they're surprised by this. I would think
they would be. They may have thought they could just push,
push and push and do it their way and he
would acquiesce and fall in line. And maybe they still
do think that. But this is exceptionally disruptive as you're
trying to go into a season and he's one of
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your best players, one of your team leaders, and it's
disrespectful and if it's gone down the way he's Allian
he is. It has man He's been mistreated in a
lot of ways. It's really bad. It's really poor form
to deal with your players in this manner, and so
it creates a bad culture. But their culture is never
about winning. Their culture is only about, you know, increasing
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their brand valuation. They care about that more than anything.
So that Jerry loves the soap opera. He loves that stuff.
And so there's no other reason to delay this signing
unless at some point they decided we don't think he's
good enough. Well, then at that point, trade him, because
what are you waiting for? At that point, what could
you possibly be waiting for? And maybe trading him is
(07:36):
the right thing to do, you know, because.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I think he's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But I don't know that adding him to this team
or keeping him on this team makes them a Super
Bowl contender. Like they're you know, maybe middle of the
pack in the league. They're not really elite. Their defense
is terrible, and so they're gonna have to score so
many points and stay healthy on the offensive side of
the ball. And I don't even know if they're gonna
be able to run the ball. They may not even
have to time to run the ball. Because they're going
(08:01):
to be trailing by two touchdowns all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I just don't know if if making you know.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
You have a sixty million dollar quarterback, you have a
thirty four million dollar wide receiver, and now you're gonna
have a forty three million dollar head rusher, Like, are
you good enough everywhere else? It looks like you've missed
on a couple of first round picks here of late.
I just don't I don't know if you're good enough
everywhere else. And so if you told me you could
get two first round picks and two second round picks
(08:27):
for him, I think I would do that anyways, irregardless
of this drama, just nothing to do with him, just
to the state of your team, you're not a contender.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What do you think they can get now for trading him?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Because if they're going to trade trade him a couple
of years again, they're not going to trade him because
but what do you think they could get?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Probably like maybe a first round pick, maybe two first
round picks and two seconds.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Maybe think they could get that maybe with one year
left on his deal?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well yeah, no, that's that's gonna come into play too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean it's really two years because that that
next year would me it could change, but it looks
like it would be like twenty six and a half
million dollars if you franchised him next year. So for
the Cowboys, they can look at this as a two year,
fifty million dollar deal and have my prime and.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's where it makes sense. But this is where like they're.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The Cowboys lose on all these deals, like they end
up paying top dollar just they do it on Labor Day,
a week before the season starts. That's what's gonna happen here.
It's no fun to say that on the radio. I
do have like some insight on what I think the
Cowboys are thinking. Yes, so I think like I thought
he was retired, But David Moore is a is a
good reporter for the Cowboys, has been for many years.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, great, dude, but he is he.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Gets stuff from the Jones family. We've always known that.
Like I'm saying, he gets it from a lot of places.
But there's a lot of things he gets and you're like, okay,
that's coming from the mother ship there. His tweets are
interesting today, well, he says Michael Parsons will use social
media to engage and come back, Jerry Jones in a
way Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb and other players would Can.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I want to stop and say something about that right now?
That's exactly what we were talking about. He did the
other day when he went out there with Trayvon treyvon Dicks.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's what he was doing that and that's the way
in which he operates.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Which there's a whole other Trayvon Diggs branch to this
thing that maybe we'll get into the next segment. Okay,
he had a big day yesterday and him and mikel
were tweeting each other last night, and it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
This is the other thing. David More tweeted.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Though Jerry Jones feels he reached a gentleman's agreement with
Micah in March that supersedes anything the agent wants to negotiate.
Parsons initiated the contract. Is he a man of his
word or not? Ah Parsons feels there's no binding agreement
until the agent works out the details.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And here we are, so but think hold on though,
that's fine, that's the general I know, I know, and
that's what he's.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Feeding David Moore.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But that is so grossly disingenuous and borderline dirty for
Jerry to think that he can get a side agreement
with a player and then not even talk to the
agent who cares. No, But the agent is the one
that I mean, this is a matter of the league.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Take a team away from him. No, no, no, But I'm
saying it's a matter of the league.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Like they have operations, agents have to be certified by
the league. This is why when Dwight Howard did his
whole contract thing on plane with the Spurs. There's legal
things that matter on this. That's why there's a player's association.
There is no I did a deal on the side
with the player. The player can tell the agent this
is the deal I want. But that's total disenginuo. It's
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exactly like when you watch the first forty eight and
the detectives have the murder suspect in an interrogation room
and they're like, hey, good buddy, we're just trying to
help you soar through all this all lot.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Should I ask for a lawyer? I mean, that's up
to you. We're gonna talk to you right now because
we're your good buddies. You want a Coca Cola? Tell
us what happened that night. Maybe we can help you.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Out and get you the fairest deal for you personally,
and you don't need a lawyer. And it's like they
get the criminal to make a confession because they have
no legal representation because they've never waded into those waters before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And what I'm saying here is, you know it's in
our business. It's similar in that, you know, we know
young people in our business who have been bent over
by giant radio corporations who because they don't have an
agent or a lawyer looking out for their best interest.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And it's just business in general. If you don't, if
you're dealing with somebody who's more powerful than you and
you don't haven't been it's.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Your first rodeo, they could take advantage of you.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's why players pay agents so they can focus
on lifting weights and watching film and being the best
football player they can. And then they have pay an
agent a huge sum of money so they can deal
with all this crap. And Jerry knows that. Okay, let's
do this coming up, let's talk about what we think
will happen next, and let's keep going on what Ben's
talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's also interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
We're talking Micah Parsons in the five o'clock hour here
on nine seven point one, the Eagle, Micah Parsons lets
it all out on social media Spills all the Beans,
points out that Jerry's trying to get deals done without
his agent being president. This is all ugly, ugly, ugly
dirty laundry, and it is a bad, bad look for
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the Joneses, who, according to Todd Archer, have said they
will not have comment on this and they'll probably.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Just expect him to show up and play for his
twenty four mili He's going to show up, see, don't
want get fined.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think they said we're not going to comment for
our comment see David Moore.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, maybe there you go. It's not a shot at
David Moore.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
By the way, if I was David Moore, I would
put that out exactly like that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Look, there's so many there's so many things to get to.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I do want to I do want to mention one thing,
just just because it's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We've all been in these situations before.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But who was the first one who had rumblings of this?
Was it Clarence Hill has been all today or yeah
today like Diana Russini, Yeah, dianer Cini and what what
did she say?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Just said that was the word she used. It was
an interesting terminology.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
He's he's prepared to go to drastic measures, yes, which
was like, were gonna bring a car bomb to the facility?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You're right?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, Mike Fisher had a post that said fact source
tells me Micah Parsons is not all caps demanding a
Cowboys trade instinct knowing Micah if he did deeply feel
that way, he'd be saying it on Twitter loudly, and
Fish was right. He's like, I'm not gonna believe it
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until I say okay, cause did you see his next tweet?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Now, I think go something like, well told.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You, well, that's all you can do in that situation.
And dude, if you go to a well placed source
and they gonah, Mike didn't demand a trade, and then
like okay, great, then you go to Twitter and then
your well placed source turns around and Steven Jones goes man,
Mike had just demanded a trade in a well placed source.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
He's not going to call you back.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And go by the way, if I'm gonna ask you
guys a serious question. Okay, if if you give it,
if you let DFW sports fans decide, and you have
to keep one as a GM for the next ten years,
and you can get.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Rid of one right now. Amazing, Nico or Jerry.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
This is honestly the best sports segment you've ever created.
One you have to have be the GM of your
team for the next ten years, no matter what they are,
unfireable the other you can get rid of them right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, Jerry, because of the Jerry at least it feels
like there's some guardrails in place.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You get rid of Jerry. No, I'd keep Jery. Okay,
here's here's what I was gonna say about that. No, no, no,
I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You what you think local sports fans would Sah, they'd
get rid of God.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's there's nothing like dude trading. Think there's enough cowboysmen
that are in love with the star more than.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Hold on. Think what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's the number of Cowboy fans out numbers Mavericks fans
by ten to one, of course, right, And so the
point is Cowboys fans have been saying get rid of
Jerry forever, and so just by sheer volume, more people
are going to say rid of Jerry.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
What about percentage of fans percentage?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Say like, like, do you think just put it on
equal level playing field?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean mass fans.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Nico was basically a god prior to that trade because
every trade he had made for the most part was
on point. And and the Jalen runs in trade was
put at the feet of Cuban.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Right, Yeah, so in trade but letting him walk.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But it's the it's that trade and that like there's
people that will never be fans ever again. Yeah, Nico
is just the fervor for Nico is more intense because
people have been wanting to get rid of Jerry for
thirty years and he's still here and so it never
feels like it's going to happen. So your intensity of
your emotion wanes over time.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Okay, so so is it? What do you think? I mean? Look,
what about you guys personally? Hey don Nelson, Well personally
is that Yeah? Nico?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I know he did help build ah you know, go
to the title type of team like.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
A on the mask credit for that, But I think
the move would have to be to get rid of
Nico because.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Of Jerry's timeline. Man I think I don't think Steven
would go about thing.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I think Steven would. I think he would give you
a little more diplomatic.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
As Jared was told, somebody did tell me, somebody who
would know that if Steven is ever in that position,
that he would hire a GM.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That's how he'll do and her name will be Charlotte.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, Well, Mike has been hanging out with Trevon Diggs,
who man.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The stuff about Trevon Digson from Yster Day is nuts.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, he was saying, I don't understand why they find me.
I told them where I was going. They knew it,
and in his contract he had to spend eighty four
percent of his workout time in the off season at
the Star. And he just assumed, well, look I've told
them and we're in touch constantly about what he was
doing in Florida, So they are doing him wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Like I know that of the law, what's.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
In the contract you have to abide, bye, but you
don't have to find you don't.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's your choice to find it. You don't have to.
But it's I mean, camp has been fine, it's been good.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Vine.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
No, I understand that, but that that has nothing to
do with camp. They they they don't. They're clearly upset
with Trayvon Diggs and have been upset with Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
They shouldn't have signed him.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well I know, but I'm saying he's been hurt since
they signed him. Okay, And so if you and if
you give someone this is we can talk about this
within the context of Luca that whether they're right or wrong,
they're paying the person money and they want to oversee
the rehab, whether they're right or wrong. That's what they want.
They have that in the contract. He defied the contract. Okay,
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we want you here. You said no, I'm going there. Okay, fine,
here's the mechanism of that. You will be fine for
making that decision.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You don't have to do that, though you don't. It's
a choice they made a choice to make. Travon doesn't
have to go rehab elsewhere. True, very true. Like that's
why it's in the contract. So how did it get
juicy yesterday?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, he was running around and he did a summersault
on the field and he was just tired and he
kind of laid down on the field for a minute
and everyone thought he was hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh, he wasn't. He's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, he's a few weeks away from, you know,
really getting after and all that stuff. He's probably not
gonna be ready for the start of the season. Maybe
a little bit into it, but he was never supposed
to be ready by the start of this.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Trayvon Digs thing, though.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I think I think you guys might think too directly
ties into Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
They're tweeting.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Let's let's talk about that next, and let's talk about
how Trayvon Diggs may have impacted what Micah Parsons did
today and what the long term effect of that is.
And we'll do it here in like four or five
minutes right here on the eat. You know, I hope
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I hope one of our listeners win that million dollars.
But right now it's.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Time for this kill.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I think there's a ticking time bomb element to this
Michael Parsons thing as well, because here's what's going on.
If he's requested a trade and he has, then he
would not go to practice tomorrow, right, So if Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Was practiced, was there no practice? They were off today?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Okay, this is the perfect I mean, Jerry's loving everything
that happened today. Honestly, it's great headlines for the next
fourteen days. Probably, So if Micah does not go to practice,
he would be subject to a fifty thousand dollars fine.
And they've already shown that they don't mind finding his
best friend Trayvon Diggs for working out in Florida instead
of being in Frisco. Different place they did, different players
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in different situations, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But to Skin's point, he could show up and say,
my ankle hurts, my back hurts, yeah, my neck, my back,
my neck and my back.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And Micah hasn't signed the big you know, one hundred
million plus dollar contract, you know, in his career yet,
so fifty.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Thousand dollars a day that starts to stack up.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And that's why Mike is going to be practice tomorrow,
just kind of standing there, probably throwing the football around
with Trayvon Diggs, much like I did with my buddy
Dustin hope at the high school practice.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So but if it shows up and practices, he loses, right,
he gives in.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you stand there and just make sure that
you don't lose that fifty thousand dollars and then you
kind of keep going and then you can pick and
choose if you want to disappear in the middle of
the month, save yourself money for two weeks. But like
this is the timeline gets up to the first game Thursday,
September fourth.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I think that this very much is we were talking
about this earlier, just how emotional he is. And I
think this very much is the watching the Trayvon Diggs
thing happen like happen at camp and inserting yourself in
it and being a part of it. It becomes us
versus them. And so by doing that that little mini
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presser he did with Trayvon, he he aligned himself against
the Joneses, because the Jones is it's the Jones' fault.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And again it's Jerry And I'm not doing the Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I'm just saying he's as he's gotten older, he's become
more extreme.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
We all saw it unfold.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We spent all that time talking about the way he
treated Sean and RJ.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He had never done that before.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And what you just see a lot of times with
older people, their patience changes, the way that they handle
things changes.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
All diplomacy goes out the window.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Every person you know that's middle aged that still has
their parents, they're talking about the crazy damn stuff their
parents are saying and how they don't care anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
It just happens. It's natural.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He's emboldened by extreme wealth and power, and so it's
just that whole thing on tilt for him to sit
up there and for no reason trash tent Steel and
Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That becomes very personal for those players.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And again, the valuation of the team now is twelve billion,
at least the biggest in sports, like fifteen billion or
something like that. It's the biggests up there and maybe
the biggest at all sports.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's a Lakers or six billion. The Cowboys are twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So if that's all that matters to them, because there's
no accountability, there's no one that's going to lose their
job if they don't win. It's Steven and Jerry, so
it's a family business, so there's no one that's going
to be held accountable. And if you're talking to them
about their bank account, are they doing a good job
as owners?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, the team's the most.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Valuable in sports, so yes, it's a business their businessman.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Are they doing a good job at winning? No, but
it's not their priority.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
And there's no one's job that's going to be held
accountable for not winning.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And so this is never gonna change.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, And as you're laying out, it's never hurt them financially,
it's only gotten better. And for the longest time, I
was so fascinated by Donnie Nelson's ability to operate in
the Mavericks while his owner and his dad were suing
one another and was able.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To do the job.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And he does I really think, you know, I try
to empathize with Steven on this deal because no matter what,
you love your dad, your dad put you in an
amazing position. Your dad's one of the most extraordinary people ever.
Steven knows that his dad is hurting them and their
chances of winning. Steven probably cares more about winning than
his dad does, because, Dude, when his dad passes on,
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there's going to be this crazy thing for ownership and
struggle and there's three different people.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You need to watch succession. Dude.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, I mean, I know, but I'm just saying that's
the way that inheritance laws work in this country. That's
why teams a lot of times get sold before they
get handed down to the kids.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's very, very complicated.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And I guarantee you Steven cares more about winning than
his dad does. But he's never going to go against
his dad. He's not going to trash his dad publicly.
But he knows this is not the way to operate.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He knows it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
There's also a couple of elements of this that sucks,
and that is that Micah, I mean, Dak and Ceedee
Lamb have both publicly already spoke about this, I mean
in the last couple of weeks, and then CD had
a big tweet today is like, oh my god, can
we just stop the extra curriculars and pay the man.
Defensive players are changing their profile picture two pictures of Micah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
They want him there. This is averse. It's a betrayal,
and this is what sucks.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Everything was going fine at camp, no one had gotten
hurt too bad. The Guidan thing happened. We've got good vibes,
we're having a good time. There's this weird balance between one.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Out for Robert Jones, high energy.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And like discipline, and everyone kind of feels like, Okay,
I think we're actually gonna be pretty good. And then
you have this right and no one wants it and
it just looks bad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And you don't do that to your new head coach.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And you you honestly you shouldn't do it to your fans,
but you don't care.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Now you said a minute ago you haven't won.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, Jerry will tell you that they have one and
that's the problem in their bank account. Na, it just
doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Let's talk about the different ways this could go.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It could go where they're just like, look, I know
you want to be traded, but you have a contract.
We're paying you twenty four million, so get out there
and play. I mean, it's gonna be awkward, it's gonna
be bad chemistry. But maybe he's like, I don't want
to get fined. I don't want to fake an injury,
so yeah, I'll just go do it. But it's gonna
kill the chemistry that they have right.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, yeah, and he's not practicing now he's just out there.
He's just out.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So at some point they can go, you're under contract,
you need to practice.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
But but you know, you know what, think about this,
Think about how many times we've seen this play out,
and think about the Joneses in the back of their minds.
You even said it. They're going to sign him on
Labor Day. Now, they know what the market is, they
know what he's going to get paid. They're going to
give him forty three million dollars, they know it. But
in the meantime, this has become us versus them. And
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if you look at Jerry's history, he's always very much
loved being in with the players, you know. I mean
over time it's changed, you know, as he's gotten older.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But what I'm saying is he's never wanted to be
the players.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like what everyone was saying, all the stuff they said
about dez Dez said, you know that's like a dad
to me, right, and Jerry relished all that. What this
It didn't have to get to this. But they're going
to give him his money. I would think they will,
but if they if they don't, if they don't.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That's going to be friction.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Does he play And it's just awkward relationship, he take
a franchise, take all those things coming down the road.
Or do they trade him because they were going to
trade him, they should already traded him. But right now,
when a player's demanding to be traded, I would think
they would be trading him from a disadvantage other teams, like, hey,
you got to trade him, not giving you full price
for him. I think it's hard in any sport to
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trade a guy with one year left on his deal
when he hadn't gotten paid.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But that thing is that year is two years now.
But just the franchise tag go with the player. I
would also say.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I would also say that anybody that trades for him
is trading for him knowing that they're going to extend.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Him, right Yeah, I mean what about the Commanders?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh my god. That's the other things, Like everyone just
wants to go play for Dan Quinn. You don't think
Michael would go play for the Eagles who he went
to Penn State.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
He would go there like, he absolutely would. And I
also I bet he'd go play for the Steelers, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Sure, but the Eagles are in the division. I think
Michaels would have a he would know he would trade
him there. They could not couldn't trade him there. But
this is where too. And then and the Steelers they
got t J.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They don't need to, you know, go down that route
right right. But like this is killing mic at and
not practice every day. He said, Seedee Lamb was killing
him last year. So Micah is Micah willing to miss
week one of the season, dude, he was unwilling to
get taken out of preseason games. He is not going
to be able to handle it. And that's a big
part of this is Micah gave up all leverage over
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the last nine to.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Twelve months talking about taking less. He saw his action.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
He said it in that thing with him at Treyvon Diggs.
He goes, y'all know me, I'm going.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
To be out there like that's a literal quote from
him standing there with trap.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He's put his agent in a bad spot here too.
And I know like in some of this stuff because
they a just like, dude, don't say that you're making
it like you're let me get paid a bunch.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Of money, you know. Okay, So when is this result?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
September first, one month from today, Yeah, Monday, September, So.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's going to be a massive distraction every day until then.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yep, that's the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But George Pickens is having a wonderful camp offense. Looks
kind of good.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I actually like that. We're not talking about pickens son
Lyle Collins today. Nothing must get built done with him
right now.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, I mean, you want to get paid and
get paid right You want to see a guy go
nuclear put a franchise hag on Pickens? All right, I
think that could be headed that way. Dude, god man, Well,
what else are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Man?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think I'm gonna do some stretching.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
You're got some stretching. I'm real tight my back Japanese
intervals stretching. Yes, stretch real fast for three minutes, and
then you just kind.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Of we had forty seconds left in the show and
he flew the no content left flag stretching. Come up
with the bit, you guys gonna watch The Naked Gun
this weekend or what I saw it last night?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I might I might go do that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Okay, you know what, you know what my wife through
out there, she wants to watch uh Happy Gilmore too. Okay,
so we're gonna watch that tonight yes, oh, very nice.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
What she wants to watch it? Travis Kelsey and Bad
Bunny are in it, and Taylor Swifts the bear I think.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Man, she plays calm, all right, that's gonna do it
for us out here at the chalk Talk seen on
resort during Oklahoma. I hope uh Eagle listener wins a
million tomorrow night here at Choked Up. I'll never forget
the time that KT looked Taylor Swift dead in her eyes.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And he said I'll f with the ocean and she
respected that about him.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
All right, Christina, why don't you stick around and play
some music. It's nice that point one the Eagle. Have
a good weekend, everybody here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You go on.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Sorry, I'm gonna get some cheeks after this horse pollege runt.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I like what
A fella cowboy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So before the show, Michael Parsons put out a pretty
long statement on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Read all of it. I don't read all of it.
I want to read the first part.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yes, I wanted to be here, did everything I couldn't
show that I wanted to be a cowboy worth the
start on the helmet. I wanted to play in front
of the best fans in sports and make this American's
team once again, make America's team great again, the team
that's dad cheered for growing up. And then he says, Unfortunately,
I no.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Longer want to be here. Aw I no longer want to.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Be held to closed door note negotiations without my agent present.
I no longer want shots taken at me for getting
injured while laying it on the line for the organization
and our fans and teammates. And I no longer want
narratives created and spread to the media about me I
purposely stayed quiet and hopes of getting something now blah
blah blah, blah, blah blah blah. And then he formally
says that he personally put in a trade request to
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Stephen Jones. I'm not well sure the logistics of that,
but either way, pulled him.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Aside on the practice field. Hey Stephen, I want to
be traded.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Wich probably real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I just want to say Mike is under contract for
this year for twenty four million dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
So he's it's good money.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's what the cowboys are can tell you too, Like right,
he's he can go play.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is this is bad on many levels.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Look, he gets into kind of how things have gone
on his contract, and we've heard some of this, but
he basically spilled the beans on everything, and he said,
you know, I came to them after my third year
and I told my agent I want to be a cowboy.
And his agent's like, no, wait, there's some big pass
rushers that are gonna get paid ahead of you, and
every time one of them gets paid, you'll get a raise.
And he's like, now, I don't even care about that.
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I just want to be a cowboy. So we had
heard he would have signed for thirty three thirty four
to thirty five million dollars a year last year, and
now you know they're looking at forty two million something
like that is what it's going to cost Italy East
Or a year at least maybe forty three four right,
or if you piss a guy off, maybe it's gonna
take fifty million a year to get him stay. Because
he said been in that post. He said, you know that,
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his agent said no, let's not sign now. Wait and
once everybody signs, we'll sign after that. So that tells
you exactly what they would be asking for with the
agent if they didn't do the deal when Micah wanted
to do this. So Michah wants to do a deal,
give the Cowboys a discount, get his security, you know,
get his future secured early, and I'm not worried about
squeezing every penny. And then the Cowboys went dark on
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him and didn't even communicate. And then the first time
he gets a chance to really communicate with them, it's
it's to talk about leadership. So he's talking to Jerry
Jones about leadership and it's a one on one or whatever. Well,
somehow in that conversation, Jerry brings up the contract. So
now they're talking contract. Jerry's like, well, it's just you know,
me and you talking here. What are you looking for?
What would you really like to get out of this deal?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
This is what I want, Jerry, I want this, this
and this, and you don't really want to break the bank.
Do you want us to be able to afford to
pay other good players around you?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Right, Micah?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Right?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, well yeah, Jerry, Okay, well good, We're on the
same page.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So then Micah's agent reaches back out to the Cowboys
and says, hey, we're ready to negotiate, and they're like,
what are you talking about? Jerry and Micah negotiated the
deal already. There's we got a done deal. There's nothing
to negotiate. Thanks for reaching out to see you.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Later, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And this is the way that Mike is presenting it.
And if this is actually what they thought that was
going to happen, one of the problems for the Cowboys
fan moving forward is that incredibly arrogant people have become
even more arrogant, and the idea that you really think
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that the agent, you can just disregard the agent and
the players just gonna sign without you.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Jerry said he didn't know his name.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I know, I'm just saying, but that that was his
way of being arrogant.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Katie. It's insulting. And one of our other.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Players, I was I said this on the air the
other day because I really had. I'd never thought anything
like this, but I was really having these thoughts where
I was like, Man, I would love for Mica just
to go somewhere else, just to tell the Cowboys how
horrible they are and how horrible they treat people. And
the thing is that it's like bothersome about this to
me is in this level of elitism is I don't
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think they think they're treating people like trash. They're so
they they've elevated themselves to such a degree. They used
to kind of at least present this sort of like
Arkansas fulsiness, and now that they're worth ten billion or
whatever it is, they don't exude that at all anymore.
Now they're just elites that sound like hillbilly's and that
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it's it's like they've become so unlikable to me. And
I used to really enjoy when we'd have Jerry on
the show and all that, but the direction it continually
goes like, I'm not delusional about sports.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
This is why you know. I was upset about the
Luca trade.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
I love Luca, but I follow other teams, and so
I realized when different ownership groups come in, things change.
But for the Cowboys We've been doing sports Talk the
entire time we've done it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
The Cowboys have.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Been owned by Jerry Jones, and there's been this whole
way in which they do things. And I've always liked Jerry,
and we like those parties and things. But over the
last three or four years, to me personally, they've just
become increasingly more unrelatable and unlikable.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And this whole thing is.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I'm like, this guy wants to be a cowboy and
you're trying so hard to make yourself unlikable in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
All Right, I want to weigh in on this too.
I know you do too, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So coming up next in just over three minutes, we'll
continue this conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
We're talking Dallas Cowboys football, Michael Parsons his trade requests.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We're doing that next.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
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Speaker 3 (06:02):
So you have time to get out here and take
part in that.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But the significance of being outside the league is the
biggest story in the world of sports, maybe even the
news this week or today at least, as Micah Parsons
has demanded a trade from the Dallas Cowboys said in
a Twitter post that or an ex post that he
told Stephen Jones personally he'd like to be traded and
lined out the reasons why we went over it in
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the last segment, and it's left Cowboys fans and people following.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
The story feeling pretty salty about the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, it's truly embarrassing for the Dallas Cowboys, but I
don't know that they look at it that way. I
don't know if they're surprised by this. I would think
they would be. They may have thought they could just push,
push and push and do it their way and he
would acquiesce and fall in line. And maybe they still
do think that. But this is exceptionally disruptive as you're
trying to go into a season and he's one of
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your best players, one of your team leaders, and it's
disrespectful and if it's gone down the way he's Allian
he is. It has man He's been mistreated in a
lot of ways. It's really bad. It's really poor form
to deal with your players in this manner, and so
it creates a bad culture. But their culture is never
about winning. Their culture is only about, you know, increasing
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their brand valuation. They care about that more than anything.
So that Jerry loves the soap opera. He loves that stuff.
And so there's no other reason to delay this signing
unless at some point they decided we don't think he's
good enough. Well, then at that point, trade him, because
what are you waiting for? At that point, what could
you possibly be waiting for? And maybe trading him is
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the right thing to do, you know, because.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I think he's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
But I don't know that adding him to this team
or keeping him on this team makes them a Super
Bowl contender. Like they're you know, maybe middle of the
pack in the league. They're not really elite. Their defense
is terrible, and so they're gonna have to score so
many points and stay healthy on the offensive side of
the ball. And I don't even know if they're gonna
be able to run the ball. They may not even
have to time to run the ball. Because they're going
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to be trailing by two touchdowns all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I just don't know if if making you know.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
You have a sixty million dollar quarterback, you have a
thirty four million dollar wide receiver, and now you're gonna
have a forty three million dollar head rusher, Like, are
you good enough everywhere else? It looks like you've missed
on a couple of first round picks here of late.
I just don't I don't know if you're good enough
everywhere else. And so if you told me you could
get two first round picks and two second round picks
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for him, I think I would do that anyways, irregardless
of this drama, just nothing to do with him, just
to the state of your team, you're not a contender.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
What do you think they can get now for trading him?
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Because if they're going to trade trade him a couple
of years again, they're not going to trade him because
but what do you think they could get?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Probably like maybe a first round pick, maybe two first
round picks and two seconds.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Maybe think they could get that maybe with one year
left on his deal?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well yeah, no, that's that's gonna come into play too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean it's really two years because that that
next year would me it could change, but it looks
like it would be like twenty six and a half
million dollars if you franchised him next year. So for
the Cowboys, they can look at this as a two year,
fifty million dollar deal and have my prime and.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's where it makes sense. But this is where like they're.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The Cowboys lose on all these deals, like they end
up paying top dollar just they do it on Labor Day,
a week before the season starts. That's what's gonna happen here.
It's no fun to say that on the radio. I
do have like some insight on what I think the
Cowboys are thinking. Yes, so I think like I thought
he was retired, But David Moore is a is a
good reporter for the Cowboys, has been for many years.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, great, dude, but he is he.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Gets stuff from the Jones family. We've always known that.
Like I'm saying, he gets it from a lot of places.
But there's a lot of things he gets and you're like, okay,
that's coming from the mother ship there. His tweets are
interesting today, well, he says Michael Parsons will use social
media to engage and come back, Jerry Jones in a
way Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb and other players would Can.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I want to stop and say something about that right now?
That's exactly what we were talking about. He did the
other day when he went out there with Trayvon treyvon Dicks.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
That's what he was doing that and that's the way
in which he operates.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Which there's a whole other Trayvon Diggs branch to this
thing that maybe we'll get into the next segment. Okay,
he had a big day yesterday and him and mikel
were tweeting each other last night, and it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
This is the other thing. David More tweeted.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Though Jerry Jones feels he reached a gentleman's agreement with
Micah in March that supersedes anything the agent wants to negotiate.
Parsons initiated the contract. Is he a man of his
word or not? Ah Parsons feels there's no binding agreement
until the agent works out the details.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And here we are, so but think hold on though,
that's fine, that's the general I know, I know, and
that's what he's.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Feeding David Moore.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But that is so grossly disingenuous and borderline dirty for
Jerry to think that he can get a side agreement
with a player and then not even talk to the
agent who cares. No, But the agent is the one
that I mean, this is a matter of the league.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Take a team away from him. No, no, no, But I'm
saying it's a matter of the league.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Like they have operations, agents have to be certified by
the league. This is why when Dwight Howard did his
whole contract thing on plane with the Spurs. There's legal
things that matter on this. That's why there's a player's association.
There is no I did a deal on the side
with the player. The player can tell the agent this
is the deal I want. But that's total disenginuo. It's
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exactly like when you watch the first forty eight and
the detectives have the murder suspect in an interrogation room
and they're like, hey, good buddy, we're just trying to
help you soar through all this all lot.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Should I ask for a lawyer? I mean, that's up
to you. We're gonna talk to you right now because
we're your good buddies. You want a Coca Cola? Tell
us what happened that night. Maybe we can help you.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Out and get you the fairest deal for you personally,
and you don't need a lawyer. And it's like they
get the criminal to make a confession because they have
no legal representation because they've never waded into those waters before.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And what I'm saying here is, you know it's in
our business. It's similar in that, you know, we know
young people in our business who have been bent over
by giant radio corporations who because they don't have an
agent or a lawyer looking out for their best interest.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And it's just business in general. If you don't, if
you're dealing with somebody who's more powerful than you and
you don't haven't been it's.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Your first rodeo, they could take advantage of you.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that's why players pay agents so they can focus
on lifting weights and watching film and being the best
football player they can. And then they have pay an
agent a huge sum of money so they can deal
with all this crap. And Jerry knows that. Okay, let's
do this coming up, let's talk about what we think
will happen next, and let's keep going on what Ben's
talking about.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's also interesting.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
We're talking Micah Parsons in the five o'clock hour here
on nine seven point one, the Eagle, Micah Parsons lets
it all out on social media Spills all the Beans,
points out that Jerry's trying to get deals done without
his agent being president. This is all ugly, ugly, ugly
dirty laundry, and it is a bad, bad look for
(13:10):
the Joneses, who, according to Todd Archer, have said they
will not have comment on this and they'll probably.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Just expect him to show up and play for his
twenty four mili He's going to show up, see, don't
want get fined.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I think they said we're not going to comment for
our comment see David Moore.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, maybe there you go. It's not a shot at
David Moore.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
By the way, if I was David Moore, I would
put that out exactly like that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Look, there's so many there's so many things to get to.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I do want to I do want to mention one thing,
just just because it's funny.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We've all been in these situations before.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
But who was the first one who had rumblings of this?
Was it Clarence Hill has been all today or yeah
today like Diana Russini, Yeah, dianer Cini and what what
did she say?
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Just said that was the word she used. It was
an interesting terminology.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
He's he's prepared to go to drastic measures, yes, which
was like, were gonna bring a car bomb to the facility?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
You're right?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, Mike Fisher had a post that said fact source
tells me Micah Parsons is not all caps demanding a
Cowboys trade instinct knowing Micah if he did deeply feel
that way, he'd be saying it on Twitter loudly, and
Fish was right. He's like, I'm not gonna believe it
(14:26):
until I say okay, cause did you see his next tweet?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Now, I think go something like, well told.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You, well, that's all you can do in that situation.
And dude, if you go to a well placed source
and they gonah, Mike didn't demand a trade, and then
like okay, great, then you go to Twitter and then
your well placed source turns around and Steven Jones goes man,
Mike had just demanded a trade in a well placed source.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
He's not going to call you back.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And go by the way, if I'm gonna ask you
guys a serious question. Okay, if if you give it,
if you let DFW sports fans decide, and you have
to keep one as a GM for the next ten years,
and you can get.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Rid of one right now. Amazing, Nico or Jerry.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
This is honestly the best sports segment you've ever created.
One you have to have be the GM of your
team for the next ten years, no matter what they are,
unfireable the other you can get rid of them right.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Now, Jerry, because of the Jerry at least it feels
like there's some guardrails in place.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You get rid of Jerry. No, I'd keep Jery. Okay,
here's here's what I was gonna say about that. No, no, no,
I'm asking.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
You what you think local sports fans would Sah, they'd
get rid of God.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
That's there's nothing like dude trading. Think there's enough cowboysmen
that are in love with the star more than.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Hold on. Think what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
It's the number of Cowboy fans out numbers Mavericks fans
by ten to one, of course, right, And so the
point is Cowboys fans have been saying get rid of
Jerry forever, and so just by sheer volume, more people
are going to say rid of Jerry.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
What about percentage of fans percentage?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Say like, like, do you think just put it on
equal level playing field?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I mean mass fans.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Nico was basically a god prior to that trade because
every trade he had made for the most part was
on point. And and the Jalen runs in trade was
put at the feet of Cuban.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Right, Yeah, so in trade but letting him walk.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
But it's the it's that trade and that like there's
people that will never be fans ever again. Yeah, Nico
is just the fervor for Nico is more intense because
people have been wanting to get rid of Jerry for
thirty years and he's still here and so it never
feels like it's going to happen. So your intensity of
your emotion wanes over time.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Okay, so so is it? What do you think? I mean? Look,
what about you guys personally? Hey don Nelson, Well personally
is that Yeah? Nico?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I know he did help build ah you know, go
to the title type of team like.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
A on the mask credit for that, But I think
the move would have to be to get rid of
Nico because.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Of Jerry's timeline. Man I think I don't think Steven
would go about thing.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I think Steven would. I think he would give you
a little more diplomatic.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
As Jared was told, somebody did tell me, somebody who
would know that if Steven is ever in that position,
that he would hire a GM.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That's how he'll do and her name will be Charlotte.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, Well, Mike has been hanging out with Trevon Diggs,
who man.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
The stuff about Trevon Digson from Yster Day is nuts.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Well, he was saying, I don't understand why they find me.
I told them where I was going. They knew it,
and in his contract he had to spend eighty four
percent of his workout time in the off season at
the Star. And he just assumed, well, look I've told
them and we're in touch constantly about what he was
doing in Florida, So they are doing him wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Like I know that of the law, what's.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
In the contract you have to abide, bye, but you
don't have to find you don't.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's your choice to find it. You don't have to.
But it's I mean, camp has been fine, it's been good.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Vine.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
No, I understand that, but that that has nothing to
do with camp. They they they don't. They're clearly upset
with Trayvon Diggs and have been upset with Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
They shouldn't have signed him.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Well I know, but I'm saying he's been hurt since
they signed him. Okay, And so if you and if
you give someone this is we can talk about this
within the context of Luca that whether they're right or wrong,
they're paying the person money and they want to oversee
the rehab, whether they're right or wrong. That's what they want.
They have that in the contract. He defied the contract. Okay,
(18:43):
we want you here. You said no, I'm going there. Okay, fine,
here's the mechanism of that. You will be fine for
making that decision.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You don't have to do that, though you don't. It's
a choice they made a choice to make. Travon doesn't
have to go rehab elsewhere. True, very true. Like that's
why it's in the contract. So how did it get
juicy yesterday?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, he was running around and he did a summersault
on the field and he was just tired and he
kind of laid down on the field for a minute
and everyone thought he was hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh, he wasn't. He's fine.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mean, he's a few weeks away from, you know,
really getting after and all that stuff. He's probably not
gonna be ready for the start of the season. Maybe
a little bit into it, but he was never supposed
to be ready by the start of this.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Trayvon Digs thing, though.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
I think I think you guys might think too directly
ties into Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
They're tweeting.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Let's let's talk about that next, and let's talk about
how Trayvon Diggs may have impacted what Micah Parsons did
today and what the long term effect of that is.
And we'll do it here in like four or five
minutes right here on the eat. You know, I hope
one of our listeners wins that million dollars. Tomorrow night
slash Sunday morning, they're doing the final giveaway three months
(19:48):
three millionaires here at Chalk Talk Casino and Resort Durant, Oklahoma.
I hope one of our listeners win that million dollars.
But right now it's.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Time for this kill.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I think there's a ticking time bomb element to this
Michael Parsons thing as well, because here's what's going on.
If he's requested a trade and he has, then he
would not go to practice tomorrow, right, So if Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Was practiced, was there no practice? They were off today?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Okay, this is the perfect I mean, Jerry's loving everything
that happened today. Honestly, it's great headlines for the next
fourteen days. Probably, So if Micah does not go to practice,
he would be subject to a fifty thousand dollars fine.
And they've already shown that they don't mind finding his
best friend Trayvon Diggs for working out in Florida instead
of being in Frisco. Different place they did, different players
(20:40):
in different situations, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But to Skin's point, he could show up and say,
my ankle hurts, my back hurts, yeah, my neck, my back,
my neck and my back.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
And Micah hasn't signed the big you know, one hundred
million plus dollar contract, you know, in his career yet,
so fifty.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Thousand dollars a day that starts to stack up.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And that's why Mike is going to be practice tomorrow,
just kind of standing there, probably throwing the football around
with Trayvon Diggs, much like I did with my buddy
Dustin hope at the high school practice.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
So but if it shows up and practices, he loses, right,
he gives in.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you stand there and just make sure that
you don't lose that fifty thousand dollars and then you
kind of keep going and then you can pick and
choose if you want to disappear in the middle of
the month, save yourself money for two weeks. But like
this is the timeline gets up to the first game Thursday,
September fourth.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I think that this very much is we were talking
about this earlier, just how emotional he is. And I
think this very much is the watching the Trayvon Diggs
thing happen like happen at camp and inserting yourself in
it and being a part of it. It becomes us
versus them. And so by doing that that little mini
(21:50):
presser he did with Trayvon, he he aligned himself against
the Joneses, because the Jones is it's the Jones' fault.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And again it's Jerry And I'm not doing the Jerry.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I'm just saying he's as he's gotten older, he's become
more extreme.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
We all saw it unfold.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
We spent all that time talking about the way he
treated Sean and RJ.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
He had never done that before.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And what you just see a lot of times with
older people, their patience changes, the way that they handle
things changes.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
All diplomacy goes out the window.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Every person you know that's middle aged that still has
their parents, they're talking about the crazy damn stuff their
parents are saying and how they don't care anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
It just happens. It's natural.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
He's emboldened by extreme wealth and power, and so it's
just that whole thing on tilt for him to sit
up there and for no reason trash tent Steel and
Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That becomes very personal for those players.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
And again, the valuation of the team now is twelve billion,
at least the biggest in sports, like fifteen billion or
something like that. It's the biggests up there and maybe
the biggest at all sports.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
It's a Lakers or six billion. The Cowboys are twelve.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So if that's all that matters to them, because there's
no accountability, there's no one that's going to lose their
job if they don't win. It's Steven and Jerry, so
it's a family business, so there's no one that's going
to be held accountable. And if you're talking to them
about their bank account, are they doing a good job
as owners?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, the team's the most.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Valuable in sports, so yes, it's a business their businessman.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Are they doing a good job at winning? No, but
it's not their priority.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
And there's no one's job that's going to be held
accountable for not winning.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
And so this is never gonna change.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah, And as you're laying out, it's never hurt them financially,
it's only gotten better. And for the longest time, I
was so fascinated by Donnie Nelson's ability to operate in
the Mavericks while his owner and his dad were suing
one another and was able.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
To do the job.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And he does I really think, you know, I try
to empathize with Steven on this deal because no matter what,
you love your dad, your dad put you in an
amazing position. Your dad's one of the most extraordinary people ever.
Steven knows that his dad is hurting them and their
chances of winning. Steven probably cares more about winning than
his dad does, because, Dude, when his dad passes on,
(24:08):
there's going to be this crazy thing for ownership and
struggle and there's three different people.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
You need to watch succession. Dude.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, I mean, I know, but I'm just saying that's
the way that inheritance laws work in this country. That's
why teams a lot of times get sold before they
get handed down to the kids.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's very, very complicated.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
And I guarantee you Steven cares more about winning than
his dad does. But he's never going to go against
his dad. He's not going to trash his dad publicly.
But he knows this is not the way to operate.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
He knows it.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
There's also a couple of elements of this that sucks,
and that is that Micah, I mean, Dak and Ceedee
Lamb have both publicly already spoke about this, I mean
in the last couple of weeks, and then CD had
a big tweet today is like, oh my god, can
we just stop the extra curriculars and pay the man.
Defensive players are changing their profile picture two pictures of Micah.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
They want him there. This is averse. It's a betrayal,
and this is what sucks.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Everything was going fine at camp, no one had gotten
hurt too bad. The Guidan thing happened. We've got good vibes,
we're having a good time. There's this weird balance between one.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Out for Robert Jones, high energy.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And like discipline, and everyone kind of feels like, Okay,
I think we're actually gonna be pretty good. And then
you have this right and no one wants it and
it just looks bad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
And you don't do that to your new head coach.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
And you you honestly you shouldn't do it to your fans,
but you don't care.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Now you said a minute ago you haven't won.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, Jerry will tell you that they have one and
that's the problem in their bank account. Na, it just
doesn't matter. Nothing matters.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Let's talk about the different ways this could go.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It could go where they're just like, look, I know
you want to be traded, but you have a contract.
We're paying you twenty four million, so get out there
and play. I mean, it's gonna be awkward, it's gonna
be bad chemistry. But maybe he's like, I don't want
to get fined. I don't want to fake an injury,
so yeah, I'll just go do it. But it's gonna
kill the chemistry that they have right.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, yeah, and he's not practicing now he's just out there.
He's just out.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So at some point they can go, you're under contract,
you need to practice.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
But but you know, you know what, think about this,
Think about how many times we've seen this play out,
and think about the Joneses in the back of their minds.
You even said it. They're going to sign him on
Labor Day. Now, they know what the market is, they
know what he's going to get paid. They're going to
give him forty three million dollars, they know it. But
in the meantime, this has become us versus them. And
(26:21):
if you look at Jerry's history, he's always very much
loved being in with the players, you know. I mean
over time it's changed, you know, as he's gotten older.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
But what I'm saying is he's never wanted to be
the players.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like what everyone was saying, all the stuff they said
about dez Dez said, you know that's like a dad
to me, right, and Jerry relished all that. What this
It didn't have to get to this. But they're going
to give him his money. I would think they will,
but if they if they don't, if they don't.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
That's going to be friction.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Does he play And it's just awkward relationship, he take
a franchise, take all those things coming down the road.
Or do they trade him because they were going to
trade him, they should already traded him. But right now,
when a player's demanding to be traded, I would think
they would be trading him from a disadvantage other teams, like, hey,
you got to trade him, not giving you full price
for him. I think it's hard in any sport to
(27:13):
trade a guy with one year left on his deal
when he hadn't gotten paid.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
But that thing is that year is two years now.
But just the franchise tag go with the player. I
would also say.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
I would also say that anybody that trades for him
is trading for him knowing that they're going to extend.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Him, right Yeah, I mean what about the Commanders?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Oh my god. That's the other things, Like everyone just
wants to go play for Dan Quinn. You don't think
Michael would go play for the Eagles who he went
to Penn State.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
He would go there like, he absolutely would. And I
also I bet he'd go play for the Steelers, I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Sure, but the Eagles are in the division. I think
Michaels would have a he would know he would trade
him there. They could not couldn't trade him there. But
this is where too. And then and the Steelers they
got t J.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Watt.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They don't need to, you know, go down that route
right right. But like this is killing mic at and
not practice every day. He said, Seedee Lamb was killing
him last year. So Micah is Micah willing to miss
week one of the season, dude, he was unwilling to
get taken out of preseason games. He is not going
to be able to handle it. And that's a big
part of this is Micah gave up all leverage over
(28:13):
the last nine to.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Twelve months talking about taking less. He saw his action.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
He said it in that thing with him at Treyvon Diggs.
He goes, y'all know me, I'm going.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
To be out there like that's a literal quote from
him standing there with trap.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He's put his agent in a bad spot here too.
And I know like in some of this stuff because
they a just like, dude, don't say that you're making
it like you're let me get paid a bunch.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Of money, you know. Okay, So when is this result?
Speaker 2 (28:35):
September first, one month from today, Yeah, Monday, September, So.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's going to be a massive distraction every day until then.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yep, that's the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But George Pickens is having a wonderful camp offense. Looks
kind of good.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I actually like that. We're not talking about pickens son
Lyle Collins today. Nothing must get built done with him
right now.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
I mean, I mean, you want to get paid and
get paid right You want to see a guy go
nuclear put a franchise hag on Pickens? All right, I
think that could be headed that way. Dude, god man, Well,
what else are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Man?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
I think I'm gonna do some stretching.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
You're got some stretching. I'm real tight my back Japanese
intervals stretching. Yes, stretch real fast for three minutes, and
then you just kind.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Of we had forty seconds left in the show and
he flew the no content left flag stretching. Come up
with the bit, you guys gonna watch The Naked Gun
this weekend or what I saw it last night?
Speaker 4 (29:31):
Now?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I might I might go do that.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Okay, you know what, you know what my wife through
out there, she wants to watch uh Happy Gilmore too. Okay,
so we're gonna watch that tonight yes, oh, very nice.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
What she wants to watch it? Travis Kelsey and Bad
Bunny are in it, and Taylor Swifts the bear I think.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Man, she plays calm, all right, that's gonna do it
for us out here at the chalk Talk seen on
resort during Oklahoma. I hope uh Eagle listener wins a
million tomorrow night here at Choked Up. I'll never forget
the time that KT looked Taylor Swift dead in her eyes.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
And he said I'll f with the ocean and she
respected that about him.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
All right, Christina, why don't you stick around and play
some music. It's nice that point one the Eagle. Have
a good weekend, everybody here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
You go on.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Sorry, I'm gonna get some cheeks after this horse pollege runt.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
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