October 28, 2025 • 5 mins
In this fiery and brutally honest episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the swirling drama surrounding Micah Parsons, Trevon Diggs, and the Dallas Cowboys’ handling of player health, contracts, and culture.The segment kicks off with Micah Parsons passionately defending his former teammate, saying the Cowboys “F’d my dog over.” From there, the crew unpacks the tangled web of injuries, rumors, and organizational missteps that have fans and insiders alike scratching their heads.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Come surprise, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So it's no secret Michael Parsons and Trayvon Diggs are
very close, very good friends. Jory Epstein is a reporter
for Yahoo, and she was assigned to Green Bay to
Pittsburgh for the Packers and Seaglers on Sunday night, and
she just asked a couple of questions, like what message
would he tell Cowboys fans who have questioned Trayvon Diggs's health,
(00:39):
And he said, quote, Honestly, I feel like they fed
my dog over, you know what I mean. He's coming
off a catastrophic knee injury, and I just don't think
they did right by him. He didn't participate all camp
and he's going out there playing week one and two,
and I just don't think you do that to a
player like that, and the type of knee injury he had,
they forced him out there. He has no really, he's
(01:00):
telling me he was in warm up phase during Week one,
even with the ramp up. I just feel like you
don't do that. So he's getting Trayvon's back. But also
the question about Trayvon is not the knee. It's the
event that happened at home which has now caused.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Him to be on ir which that's minimum of four
games missed.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, it makes you wonder if he faked the concussion
just to buy him time for the knee, Like if
the Cowboys were rushing him on the knees the no
and he's like, I'm not good and they were like, no,
you're good. He's like, okay, man, I just got a
concussion at home. I need a little time, you know.
And the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm not justifying any of this on either side, but
this is what happens when there's distrust between the organization
and the health of a player. I mean, this is
basically what ended Kawhi Leonard's run in San Antonio, right.
I mean, there's other examples of this, but when the
dude look at the history of Grant Hill, Grant Hill
(02:02):
was set to be one of the twenty greatest players
of all time and he ruined his ankle early in
his career never recover. Go back to Dirk being hurt
in the playoffs, right and one I can't remember. Wholly
wanted to arrest him, who wanted to play him, Nelly
wanted to shut him down, and Cuban was like, we're
on the cusp we need to play now again, this
(02:24):
is all you know, says She's saying all that, I
think if you were to ask Dirk, I think Dirk
was like, I think I could have played, you know.
I mean he's never told me that. I'm not suggesting that,
but it was like there was this idea that Nelly
would sandbag to keep his job. Oh, and that he
would have an exclol. We didn't have, Dirk. I mean,
how are we supposed to?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So it's just all those stories and then over time
they get worse and there's more finger pointing in all this.
I always kind of got the sense that Dirk was like,
I just did what they told me. I would have played.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
But look at the Mavericks with Luca, I mean, obviously
his health when what was going on with all that.
I've heard all sorts of different stories. I don't know
what's true what's not, but there appeared to be something
going on there. They didn't trust each Yeah. Well, and
Jury's a very good reporter.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So in the rest of our article it does talk
about a August twenty fifth. This is what Trayvon Diggs said.
Me and the trainer, brit Brown are cool. That's my guy.
It was never nothing against the Dallas Cowboys in the program.
He also said on August twenty fifth that he doesn't
have any limitations and he's just ramping up the conditioning part.
So you have Trayvon just basically saying that he's good.
(03:29):
This is a while back.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think today Jerry was on the fan and he
said it's the other knee also is a problem now,
but I thought it was a concussion. So I don't
know what's going on. And here's what I personally think.
I don't know Trayvon, okay, So personally, I think you
probably just don't want to play. Yeah, I think he's frustrated.
I think he's been mad at them for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And a part of me gets it, and a part
of me gets their sides. I don't know. I'm gonna
be rational Bill and ride this one down the middle.
He sucked when he's been out there, though, Yeah, And
I would say.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I would say he sucked the last two years and
he's been hammered with injuries and he got a big contract.
If I knew I was parting ways with a team
and I wasn't playing well, I don't want bad tape
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Also, if they were going to force you to play
zone and you are fancy yourself as a man guy, Like,
why are you gonna rush out there to get a
bunch of tape of you playing getting burned in Zone?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What if you have signed Micah before camp? Do they like, well,
Trayvon's Micah's dude. We've paid Micah now, like, we're not
gonna find him and we're not gonna run him over. Like,
I think that might be something to consider it as well. Like,
I don't know how they would have handled that. But
there's just a lot of things that they've done too
that I just can't fully go, Well, Trayvon sucked and
(04:45):
it's on him and he's a Wollos and all that, right,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They've they've done too much.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, incorrectly.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It is such a wasted season all because of Micah.
Like if they wanted to, they were dead set, we
can't pay this guy this much money. I mean, they
were prepared to offer him forty two, forty three to
forty four million, but they were like, oh forty seven
is outrageous. Well, you should have made that decision A
long time ago made the deal and early in the
offseason and planned around it. Now you screw Eberflus by
(05:13):
taking away his absolute best player, and you realize that,
you know, okay, having a guy who can wreck the
offense at any point any game is covering up how
bad the rest of your defense is. I mean, if
you had Micah, you might and you might not be
the thirty first, thirty second ranked defense. You might be twentieth. Yeah.
And if you're a twentieth ranked defense, you might be
(05:33):
a super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So trading Micah cost them this season.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know how he always say Jerry didn't have like
they don't have definitive culture and all that they do.
They have the culture of ambiguity and Jerry's proud of it.
And this is what it's. This is what your reward
is for having a bunch of uncertainty and liking chaos.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All right, there you have.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
There's cuss in the cowboys. Always fun to cuss. The
hot dog Boys
Come surprise, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So it's no secret Michael Parsons and Trayvon Diggs are
very close, very good friends. Jory Epstein is a reporter
for Yahoo, and she was assigned to Green Bay to
Pittsburgh for the Packers and Seaglers on Sunday night, and
she just asked a couple of questions, like what message
would he tell Cowboys fans who have questioned Trayvon Diggs's health,
(00:39):
And he said, quote, Honestly, I feel like they fed
my dog over, you know what I mean. He's coming
off a catastrophic knee injury, and I just don't think
they did right by him. He didn't participate all camp
and he's going out there playing week one and two,
and I just don't think you do that to a
player like that, and the type of knee injury he had,
they forced him out there. He has no really, he's
(01:00):
telling me he was in warm up phase during Week one,
even with the ramp up. I just feel like you
don't do that. So he's getting Trayvon's back. But also
the question about Trayvon is not the knee. It's the
event that happened at home which has now caused.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Him to be on ir which that's minimum of four
games missed.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, it makes you wonder if he faked the concussion
just to buy him time for the knee, Like if
the Cowboys were rushing him on the knees the no
and he's like, I'm not good and they were like, no,
you're good. He's like, okay, man, I just got a
concussion at home. I need a little time, you know.
And the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I'm not justifying any of this on either side, but
this is what happens when there's distrust between the organization
and the health of a player. I mean, this is
basically what ended Kawhi Leonard's run in San Antonio, right.
I mean, there's other examples of this, but when the
dude look at the history of Grant Hill, Grant Hill
(02:02):
was set to be one of the twenty greatest players
of all time and he ruined his ankle early in
his career never recover. Go back to Dirk being hurt
in the playoffs, right and one I can't remember. Wholly
wanted to arrest him, who wanted to play him, Nelly
wanted to shut him down, and Cuban was like, we're
on the cusp we need to play now again, this
(02:24):
is all you know, says She's saying all that, I
think if you were to ask Dirk, I think Dirk
was like, I think I could have played, you know.
I mean he's never told me that. I'm not suggesting that,
but it was like there was this idea that Nelly
would sandbag to keep his job. Oh, and that he
would have an exclol. We didn't have, Dirk. I mean,
how are we supposed to?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So it's just all those stories and then over time
they get worse and there's more finger pointing in all this.
I always kind of got the sense that Dirk was like,
I just did what they told me. I would have played.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
But look at the Mavericks with Luca, I mean, obviously
his health when what was going on with all that.
I've heard all sorts of different stories. I don't know
what's true what's not, but there appeared to be something
going on there. They didn't trust each Yeah. Well, and
Jury's a very good reporter.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So in the rest of our article it does talk
about a August twenty fifth. This is what Trayvon Diggs said.
Me and the trainer, brit Brown are cool. That's my guy.
It was never nothing against the Dallas Cowboys in the program.
He also said on August twenty fifth that he doesn't
have any limitations and he's just ramping up the conditioning part.
So you have Trayvon just basically saying that he's good.
(03:29):
This is a while back.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I think today Jerry was on the fan and he
said it's the other knee also is a problem now,
but I thought it was a concussion. So I don't
know what's going on. And here's what I personally think.
I don't know Trayvon, okay, So personally, I think you
probably just don't want to play. Yeah, I think he's frustrated.
I think he's been mad at them for a while.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And a part of me gets it, and a part
of me gets their sides. I don't know. I'm gonna
be rational Bill and ride this one down the middle.
He sucked when he's been out there, though, Yeah, And
I would say.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I would say he sucked the last two years and
he's been hammered with injuries and he got a big contract.
If I knew I was parting ways with a team
and I wasn't playing well, I don't want bad tape
out there.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Also, if they were going to force you to play
zone and you are fancy yourself as a man guy, Like,
why are you gonna rush out there to get a
bunch of tape of you playing getting burned in Zone?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What if you have signed Micah before camp? Do they like, well,
Trayvon's Micah's dude. We've paid Micah now, like, we're not
gonna find him and we're not gonna run him over. Like,
I think that might be something to consider it as well. Like,
I don't know how they would have handled that. But
there's just a lot of things that they've done too
that I just can't fully go, Well, Trayvon sucked and
(04:45):
it's on him and he's a Wollos and all that, right,
I can't.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
They've they've done too much.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, incorrectly.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It is such a wasted season all because of Micah.
Like if they wanted to, they were dead set, we
can't pay this guy this much money. I mean, they
were prepared to offer him forty two, forty three to
forty four million, but they were like, oh forty seven
is outrageous. Well, you should have made that decision A
long time ago made the deal and early in the
offseason and planned around it. Now you screw Eberflus by
(05:13):
taking away his absolute best player, and you realize that,
you know, okay, having a guy who can wreck the
offense at any point any game is covering up how
bad the rest of your defense is. I mean, if
you had Micah, you might and you might not be
the thirty first, thirty second ranked defense. You might be twentieth. Yeah.
And if you're a twentieth ranked defense, you might be
(05:33):
a super Bowl contender.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
So trading Micah cost them this season.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know how he always say Jerry didn't have like
they don't have definitive culture and all that they do.
They have the culture of ambiguity and Jerry's proud of it.
And this is what it's. This is what your reward
is for having a bunch of uncertainty and liking chaos.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
All right, there you have.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
There's cuss in the cowboys. Always fun to cuss. The
hot dog Boys
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