August 6, 2025 • 6 mins
"Is it time to give up on a first-round pick before his third season even begins?"In this fiery and hilarious episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive headfirst into the latest drama from Cowboys training camp — and they’re not holding back. From surprise injuries to breakout performances, this episode is packed with insider insights, bold takes, and laugh-out-loud moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cowboy All right, Cowboys had the Rams in for a
bit of a little joint practice doing that this week
(00:23):
for the preseason game, which is Saturday, I think the ninth,
maybe it's Sunday, whatever the ninth is, that's the preseason game.
Mazzie Smith left it practice yesterday with an injury, so
you definitely hate to see that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You know, it's just not going well. There's not a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Good reviews on old Mozzie Smith, so chance he doesn't
make the team.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Will they just punt and give up and realize it's
a totally wasted first round pick. I mean, he came
back this year way lighter, and they're like they need
him to be giant and heavy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Is this year two or year three? For three?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, I think that's the time when you can give
up on it if you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
They just say he had an MRI and I actually
don't even know. There's still like I haven't seen what
it was. Was it a leg, was it a back?
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Apparently he strained his ability. Yeah, poor guy.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Top ten Cowboys who have made a strong impression on
Father John Michoudo over at the athletic because they send
him out there to cover it like no one else
can Ceedee Lamb's been the best player in camp. Expect
him to be overall a top three or four player
(01:40):
to draft in fantasy football in general. But when we're
talking one hundred and twenty catches on the rag, hopefully
eight to ten touchdowns on the rag.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I would think I would. I just want to pay
you to say on the rag dollar dollar bill, yo.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I feel like George Pickens is gonna help him immensely.
Like it because last year a lot of times it
was like the offense didn't even work unless it was CD.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Not a lot of other things worked.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
And you knew going into the game all you got
to do is stop CD Lamb. And now you have
to worry about Pickens as well.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I can't. I don't know if they're going to be
able to run the ball better.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I hope they can run the ball better, but dude,
having Pickens for sure should help CD.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm glad you brought up Old G.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Pick because George Pickens is the second player John list
Oh who's standing up and Pickens is has made comments
that's not really it's sort of taking shots at Pittsburgh,
but without doing it. You sound liked the offense, like
the pass efficient playbook, using the middle of the field,
like things they just never did in Pittsburgh because they're like, hey, George,
(02:43):
run long, Okay, come back. I was very boring offense
Pittsburgh for sure. So George Pickens's doing great falling in line.
This is the most exciting one for me because I
think this helps in an area that they need. And
it's kyri elam who was the number twenty pick in
the draft like three or four years ago. He was
a first round pick that they traded for or yeah
they made a bad trade for, or like not a
(03:03):
good trade away, nothing to get him, and he has
been great. And because they don't have any corners, he's
going up against Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And he's the one that picked up the kid and
offered him to the gods when he had that interception.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Is that something I thought that was? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't know that. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
He made an interception at camp and then he ran
and grabbed a kid out of the crowd and held
him up.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Like, so, oh he just a simba. That's dope. I
thought that was Elim that did that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's fantastic. Yeah, he was the number twenty three pick
in twenty twenty two. So you have him and you
have Deron Bland. That's pretty good. That's that's okay. If
he's good, he's he's having a great camp. That's awesome
to see.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But we you know, we were just talking about giving
up on Mozzie Smith, Like, what's the team they gave
up on Elim?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Dolphins, the Bills, Oh, Bills, there's the Bill.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's like, you wonder, like, how do you give up
on a guy and just get a first round pick
like that? It wasn't that long ago. But that's gonna
happen with some team in Mazzie as well. I don't
know if Mazzi will find it and have skills. But
Mozzie's got.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Talk over it and all over him. Man, that's at UFL.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But a team drafted him with a first round pick,
totally gave up on him, and he's having a great camp.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So they've had defensive head coach in Buffalo, the Fake
Bilberr Sean McDermott, and what I've read. I haven't seen
this alone, and it's kind of nerd stuff. But like,
not a lot of playing man. A lot of ben
don't break, so they just play a lot of zone
and that's bad for him.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
He can batch up and run with people.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I do think once Mazie finds his fourth defensive coordinator,
it's gonna work out for us.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, you got to get to a new one. Yeah.
Donovan as a ROKU second round pick.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Hell yeah again, sixteen and a half sacks last year
leading college football.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's very good. I don't know how they got him
at forty four.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
He was supposed to be a top twenty five pick
and just fell for whatever reason. They took him, and
they had him and Marshawn Neelan, who was their second
round pick last year, and you got Dante Faller back
he and Sam Williams and you're talking about maybe playing
Week one without Micah for unnecessary reasons.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But dude, that guy, like everybody who's there is talking
about him. I thought he might be the number one
player in camp. Like he is kicking ass we're now seeing.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
According to John Michaude of The Athletic and the One
Star Cowboys podcast Jaden Blue.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay, there we go, fifth round running back. I've read
that he was pretty unimpressive against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think everyone was unimpressive against the Rams. Rams a
little more advanced than us at this point in camp.
It sounds like, Okay, it was a bad sign.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Turpin. That's the one I'm excited about. A lot of
handoffs to Turpin.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm telling you he had a guy like this when
he was the Rams. That was it, Tevon Austin. He
was the OC of the Rams for some of that, right,
and when he in charge of trying to find creative
ways to use Tavon Austin.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That sounds right. I wonder my mind probably matches up there. Yeah, yeah,
I wonder if they'll be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
There's been a lot of plays where they've lined him
up in the back that they've even ran in between
the tackles. I mean, it's camp, and it's you know,
you're not hitting a guy, but he is the He's
the one guy that you can give him the ball
and if he makes one, dude miss to a forty
five years pickup.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They were just using him wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, they were trying sending him deep like and trying
to throw the ball over a defender to get to him.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And he's four to seven. I think you're in one
slant route last year and it's for a touchdown. Never
went back to it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The key to soccer, to football, to basketball, you have
an extraordinary athlete.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Get him in space.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Match up what those sports are. Put a guy that
dynamic in space and see what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
There you go, there's a bunch of players starting pressing John,
getting him all worked up out of camp.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
All right, all right, there it is custing the Cowboys.
The latest from Cowboys camp. Thank you, Kevin,
Cowboy All right, Cowboys had the Rams in for a
bit of a little joint practice doing that this week
(00:23):
for the preseason game, which is Saturday, I think the ninth,
maybe it's Sunday, whatever the ninth is, that's the preseason game.
Mazzie Smith left it practice yesterday with an injury, so
you definitely hate to see that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
You know, it's just not going well. There's not a
lot of.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Good reviews on old Mozzie Smith, so chance he doesn't
make the team.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah, that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Will they just punt and give up and realize it's
a totally wasted first round pick. I mean, he came
back this year way lighter, and they're like they need
him to be giant and heavy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Is this year two or year three? For three?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, I think that's the time when you can give
up on it if you want to.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
They just say he had an MRI and I actually
don't even know. There's still like I haven't seen what
it was. Was it a leg, was it a back?
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Apparently he strained his ability. Yeah, poor guy.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Top ten Cowboys who have made a strong impression on
Father John Michoudo over at the athletic because they send
him out there to cover it like no one else
can Ceedee Lamb's been the best player in camp. Expect
him to be overall a top three or four player
(01:40):
to draft in fantasy football in general. But when we're
talking one hundred and twenty catches on the rag, hopefully
eight to ten touchdowns on the rag.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I would think I would. I just want to pay
you to say on the rag dollar dollar bill, yo.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I feel like George Pickens is gonna help him immensely.
Like it because last year a lot of times it
was like the offense didn't even work unless it was CD.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Not a lot of other things worked.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
And you knew going into the game all you got
to do is stop CD Lamb. And now you have
to worry about Pickens as well.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I can't. I don't know if they're going to be
able to run the ball better.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I hope they can run the ball better, but dude,
having Pickens for sure should help CD.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm glad you brought up Old G.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Pick because George Pickens is the second player John list
Oh who's standing up and Pickens is has made comments
that's not really it's sort of taking shots at Pittsburgh,
but without doing it. You sound liked the offense, like
the pass efficient playbook, using the middle of the field,
like things they just never did in Pittsburgh because they're like, hey, George,
(02:43):
run long, Okay, come back. I was very boring offense
Pittsburgh for sure. So George Pickens's doing great falling in line.
This is the most exciting one for me because I
think this helps in an area that they need. And
it's kyri elam who was the number twenty pick in
the draft like three or four years ago. He was
a first round pick that they traded for or yeah
they made a bad trade for, or like not a
(03:03):
good trade away, nothing to get him, and he has
been great. And because they don't have any corners, he's
going up against Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And he's the one that picked up the kid and
offered him to the gods when he had that interception.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Is that something I thought that was? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I don't know that. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
He made an interception at camp and then he ran
and grabbed a kid out of the crowd and held
him up.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Like, so, oh he just a simba. That's dope. I
thought that was Elim that did that.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's fantastic. Yeah, he was the number twenty three pick
in twenty twenty two. So you have him and you
have Deron Bland. That's pretty good. That's that's okay. If
he's good, he's he's having a great camp. That's awesome
to see.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
But we you know, we were just talking about giving
up on Mozzie Smith, Like, what's the team they gave
up on Elim?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Dolphins, the Bills, Oh, Bills, there's the Bill.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's like, you wonder, like, how do you give up
on a guy and just get a first round pick
like that? It wasn't that long ago. But that's gonna
happen with some team in Mazzie as well. I don't
know if Mazzi will find it and have skills. But
Mozzie's got.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Talk over it and all over him. Man, that's at UFL.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But a team drafted him with a first round pick,
totally gave up on him, and he's having a great camp.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So they've had defensive head coach in Buffalo, the Fake
Bilberr Sean McDermott, and what I've read. I haven't seen
this alone, and it's kind of nerd stuff. But like,
not a lot of playing man. A lot of ben
don't break, so they just play a lot of zone
and that's bad for him.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
He can batch up and run with people.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
I do think once Mazie finds his fourth defensive coordinator,
it's gonna work out for us.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, you got to get to a new one. Yeah.
Donovan as a ROKU second round pick.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Hell yeah again, sixteen and a half sacks last year
leading college football.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's very good. I don't know how they got him
at forty four.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
He was supposed to be a top twenty five pick
and just fell for whatever reason. They took him, and
they had him and Marshawn Neelan, who was their second
round pick last year, and you got Dante Faller back
he and Sam Williams and you're talking about maybe playing
Week one without Micah for unnecessary reasons.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But dude, that guy, like everybody who's there is talking
about him. I thought he might be the number one
player in camp. Like he is kicking ass we're now seeing.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
According to John Michaude of The Athletic and the One
Star Cowboys podcast Jaden Blue.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Okay, there we go, fifth round running back. I've read
that he was pretty unimpressive against the Rams.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I think everyone was unimpressive against the Rams. Rams a
little more advanced than us at this point in camp.
It sounds like, Okay, it was a bad sign.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Turpin. That's the one I'm excited about. A lot of
handoffs to Turpin.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm telling you he had a guy like this when
he was the Rams. That was it, Tevon Austin. He
was the OC of the Rams for some of that, right,
and when he in charge of trying to find creative
ways to use Tavon Austin.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That sounds right. I wonder my mind probably matches up there. Yeah, yeah,
I wonder if they'll be able to do that.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
There's been a lot of plays where they've lined him
up in the back that they've even ran in between
the tackles. I mean, it's camp, and it's you know,
you're not hitting a guy, but he is the He's
the one guy that you can give him the ball
and if he makes one, dude miss to a forty
five years pickup.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
They were just using him wrong.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, they were trying sending him deep like and trying
to throw the ball over a defender to get to him.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And he's four to seven. I think you're in one
slant route last year and it's for a touchdown. Never
went back to it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
The key to soccer, to football, to basketball, you have
an extraordinary athlete.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Get him in space.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Match up what those sports are. Put a guy that
dynamic in space and see what happened.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
There you go, there's a bunch of players starting pressing John,
getting him all worked up out of camp.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
All right, all right, there it is custing the Cowboys.
The latest from Cowboys camp. Thank you, Kevin,
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