October 2, 2025 • 11 mins
What would 19-year-old Dirk say if you told him he'd one day be broadcasting in English to millions around the world?"In this unforgettable episode of The Ben and Skin Show, the crew dives deep into the hilarious, heartfelt, and inspiring transformation of Dallas Mavericks legend Dirk Nowitzki—from a shy German teenager terrified of public speaking to a national broadcast figure on Amazon’s NBA coverage.Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray welcome D Magazine’s Mike Piellucci, the mastermind behind the October cover story “Dirk Is Anchorman.” The segment kicks off with a bang, asking whether a giant asteroid is headed for Earth, but quickly pivots to the real cosmic event: Dirk dressed as Ron Burgundy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, is a giant asteroid headed towards Earth. How
(00:03):
concerned should we be? And cussing the cowboys? Fascinating cowboy
stats that demand our full attention. All that's coming up
later in the show. This segment right here is brought
to you by Frankel and Frankel. Mark Frankel, Scott Frankel
and Jean Burquette. Those are the three partners at Frankel
and Frankel. Very good at what they do. If you're
involved in a wreck, reach out to the Frankeles two one, four, three, three,
three thirty three thirty three. But right now it's time
(00:25):
for this. Now is around the sports KT twins as.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
All the sports, Yes, all right?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you know on this show we are huge fans
of D magazine and man, they've got a doozy of
an article out. It's called Dirk is Anchorman. You've probably
seen incredible pictures circulating around social media of Dirk dressed
up like Ron Burgundy. Why Dallas's biggest sports hero is
getting a desk job. And the man who wrote that
story for D magazine, good friend of the show, Mike Palucci,
(00:59):
who joins us. Now, Mike, let's dive right into this thing.
This article is phenomenal. It's a deep, deep dive. And
Dirk obviously starting his work and is about to be
broadcasting on Friday nights with Amazon. It's going to be incredible.
But dude, when I started seeing Dirk dressed up as
Ron Burgundy, I was like, this is the genius of
d magazine. So walk us through all how all of
(01:22):
this came together.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, first off, thank you boys for having me. Always
good to be here. It was I mean, look, I
got to give credit to you know, our editors here
at Tim Rogers and Kathy Wise, to our art director
Stephen Revelos, who really you know this all happened because
Dirk's doing television for Amazon later this month. It's first,
you know, real gig since retiring for the MAVs. And
(01:44):
we're talking about this and I forget who brought it
up first, but someone said we should get him to
be anchorman. We should get him to be Ron Burgundy.
And I think, as you guys will know, for most
any other athlete in town, the next line that would
follow for me as a sports editor be yeah, okay,
but like is he gonna do? But it's Dirk and
we know Dirk with the jumbo trom bits, and we
know that that dude is down for anything, so it's
(02:05):
a yeah, I think we can make that happen, and
so we brought it to him. We brought it to
Scott Tomlin, who is his right hand man and former
pr head for the MAVs, and they, as I found
out later, they were a little hesitant. They were cautiously optimistic.
They said, sure, we'll do it. I think they may
be worded to could get a little too campy. But
everybody on our art side here, Elizabeth Laban or awesome photographer,
(02:28):
did just a killer job rebuilding the sets, and so
once they did it, they had an awesome time. And
I mean, there's so much stuff that we've done. You've
seen the photos, but if you go to our Instagram,
you'll see reels of Dirk just ripping off ron Burgundy lines.
Dude completely committed to the bit we colored in the
mustache forums He's got that thing going on. So yeah,
it was that made the whole thing right there. The
(02:49):
piece isn't nearly as good if Dirk isn't leaning into
everything about the ron Burgundy aesthetic.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So how did you guys pull this off in terms
of timing, because you know, in the summer Dirk disappeared,
he goes to Europe, right and then he's got his
charity event and he's getting ready for Amazon. So when
did you even have a chance to sit out with him?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, so this all started once I saw the Amazon
News leak out. I think Mark Stein reported it first
back in December, and I texted Scott at the time
and I said, is there, what do you want to
talk about this? And he's like, you know, let's just
wait till it's official and then we can reconvene. And
so I pitched this to them back in January February,
and the idea was very much a look, this is
(03:27):
a guy who, if you know the Dirt and Whisky story,
this is someone who when he was nineteen years old,
he almost went back to Germany because living in America
and speaking English language was just so overwhelming for him culturally,
Like it was just a lot. It was a big
change of pace, and so we almost didn't have this
great Dirk story that we had if he doesn't kind
of push through that discomfort. And what I wanted to
(03:48):
know was if you told that guy that your career
goes so well that you could do anything you want
and really do nothing at all. You could just sit
there and travel the world like he's been doing that
doing for the rest of his life. But he would
choose to be on television and talk in English to
millions of people around the world for like seven months
out of the year. What would you think? And I
(04:10):
Dirk wound up telling me that he would have thought that.
Woever told him I'd be completely insane. But that's what
I kind of pitched the Satis back in February, like,
I want this to be a story about communication as
much as anything else. And so we first sat down.
I sat down with Dirk for the first time in
late April. We did to shoot in May before they
went to Europe. Then I did another zoom with him
(04:30):
when he was in Europe, and in between him talking
all kinds of people. You'll see Mark Followell in there.
You'll see Steve Nash in there. You will see Brian
Emerson there, you will see Scott in there. You'll see
some you know, Taylor Rooks from Amazon who's hosting the show.
In there, got a whole bunch of people talking about
this whole deal and yeah, the way the magazine world works,
it's our October cover, but really it's got to be
done by mid August, so we wrapped this whole bad
(04:51):
Boy up early to mid August. That's how all kind
of about a seven to eight eight month timeline of
just kind of working on this thing off and on
and between other projects and kind of fitting in and
what we can make it fit in. And you know, credit
to Jerk for doing that when he's got a million
other things going on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Man, and it is so special. We highly recommend this
to anybody out there. We're talking to Mike Polucci, D Magazine. Uh,
you mentioned Elizabeth Lavin, Tim Rodgers, of course, Mike Marshall.
We have such respect for everybody over there. Yeah, it
was everything here is just done so freaking well. We
cannot recommend this enough. So let's carry this over coming
(05:27):
up next. Let's talk about some of the things that
really stood out to us and stood out to you.
What did we learn about the big German during this process?
And we'll carry that over in just three minutes. Don't
go anywhere, h Is there a song any you know
we're gonna play songs. Is there any particular song you'd
like to hear, Mike while we carry this forward.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Why don't you mean a little three days grace before
that asteroid hits.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Easy, Let's do it right now on the Eagle. That
was never too late, As requested by Mike Polucci of
D Magazine. Here on the Eagle, and he's still hanging
out with this brand new article about Drtnovichki cover story
for the October issue of D Magazine, as Dirk embarks
on a new part of his journey, and that is
as a national broadcast figure, he'll be a part of
(06:08):
the studio crew for Amazon's NBA coverage. When you were
talking to Dirt, Mike, was there anything that you got
out of him about his upcoming broadcast journey that surprised
you or excited you, or or anything from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think just you know, the journey itself, I think
was interesting of how fast it went. This is a
guy who the way he thinks, of the way he works,
he's always he's thorough. He's really meticulous. Maybe that's the
German at him. So he talked to everybody around him.
He asked their opinions. He asked their opinions again. He
wants to really dissect all the angles and make this
deliberate choice. And this really came together in a less
(06:46):
than a month. Amazon reached out to him, they flew
him out to LA they had stay either went to
a steakhouse, they talked some more, and he really signed
on so fast that even his wife was just like, wait,
that's it. You're you're you're doing this thing. So I
think that was really surprising that he wanted to try
this and he felt that convicted. You know, he told
me that, And you guys know this being in a
(07:06):
production life, right, the people you do this way are
what matters. And I don't think every I think every
athlete retires missing the locker room. I think that's kind
of something that they all that void you try to
replace and you never really can. But you know, a
lot of the stuff that you do on the broadcast side,
it's what people see on TV as a fraction of
the hours you're spending there. A lot of it's on
glamorous work. A lot of it's time behind the scenes
(07:27):
with people. And if you don't like him, if you
don't have that good vibe, then it just feels like work.
And he doesn't want anything that feels like work because
he doesn't have to work. But he really liked the people,
he really liked the sensibilities, he liked that it feels
kind of like a startup and Tim, I think he's
excited to go create something and kind of see where,
you know, where it goes, and if it could be
something he wants to do for a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We're talking to the great Mike Poalucci of d magazine.
Incredible cover story on Dirk and what he's about to
be doing with Amazon and all things Dirk. We can't
get enough Dirk in this city or on this show specifically.
And man, you set the meat hooks right off the
rip in the article and you start talking about the
Utah is a bad city story. I thought that was
really well done for let's set the table for that
(08:07):
for folks who don't know, why did you decide to
start with that? And what is your take on how
that whole thing happened?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, you know, I have was sat in the last segment.
I think this is a story about communication. I think
you have to under to appreciate why, because you know,
I think, and I asked a number of people, there's
no way to totally confirm it, but he is believed
to be the first English second language speaker doing a
national NBA studio show. So that's a really big deal.
(08:34):
You know if some you know, for instance, Blake Griffin's
on the panel with him, No disrespect to Blake, Blake's awesome.
It's not that surprising to see a charismatic American born
dude doing television Like I'm sure he has his reasons
why that's exciting him, but are they as deep seated
as Dirks? I don't know. For me, what really fascinated
me was this guy who was petrified of speaking this
language wanting to do this, and so I think to
(08:56):
show why it's a big deal, you have to start
at the beginning and how rough it was. And so
the Utah is a bad city story is this isn't
even in the first year. You know, when Dirk Nearly
goes back, this is you know, this is the breakthrough
series they have in one that first playoff series they
win against the last Gas but the stock dam Alone
era jazz and he's twenty two at this point, he's
been here for a bit, you know that all those
(09:17):
stories about him hanging out with Nash and you know,
he's he's a little acclimated, but he still doesn't speak
in English the way he would now. He still isn't
that comfortable in his own skin. And so he's leaving
the floor. He's leaving practice. It's between the games one
and two and back then with a five game series,
he had a long layoff. They flew home to Dallas
instead of staying in Utah. So he's leaving the court.
(09:38):
They're about to go fly back. Some reporter there with
the camera is asking him. You know, he's just standing there.
He's just hoping to talk to somebody, and Dirk wants
to leave. He doesn't want to talk, and he's like, man,
I'm just gonna try, And so he goes over to
this guy and the guy asks them, hey, why did
you guys fly back to Dallas? And Dirk in his
head wants to tell him about, you know, the comfort
of sleeping in your own bed and your routines and
(09:58):
how jazz fans are suprise risingly intense and they'll, you know,
they'll kind of talk some best to you on the street,
but all that comes out is Utah is a bad
city and it's funny now, And he laughs at it
now and there was a sign of the stands that
Utah that said Germany is a bad city, which is
just incredible. But you're when you're when you're you know,
(10:19):
in a country, you're not comfortable with speaking a language
you don't know well, and you're self conscious. Like that
wrecked his confidence and so he he left that exchange
thinking he told me like that set me back because
I'm thinking, okay, not talking lost and I have to anymore.
I'll stick to can stuff. I don't want to say anything.
I don't want to make a mistake. And now here
we are, twenty five years later, and this guy is
thrilled to be on air talking English and doing basketball
(10:40):
every week. And I think, to appreciate how we got here,
you got to know the whole story, and that's what we
set out to do in this piece.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Uh well, Mike Man, we really appreciate the time. Thank
you so much for jumping on with us. Hearing about
thirty seconds or so. If you had to give one
reason why people need to go get the October issue
of d magazine and read this, what would it be
how much he's thinking about Dirk.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
There's a lot more you don't know, and you're to
learn some things reading this piece.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
That is very compelling. Hey, thank you for the time.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We look forward to having you on the show again
real soon and see you down the road.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Homie. Thank you. JEFS appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
All Right, here he goes Mike Poalucci, one of the
great writers at d magazine. Pick up the October issue
with Dirk on the cover. Dirk is anchor man. All right,
coming up next here on the show, we do have
a news quickie and we do need to be worried
about asteroids hitting Earth or the moon, or do we
We'll figure all of that out next
All right, is a giant asteroid headed towards Earth. How
(00:03):
concerned should we be? And cussing the cowboys? Fascinating cowboy
stats that demand our full attention. All that's coming up
later in the show. This segment right here is brought
to you by Frankel and Frankel. Mark Frankel, Scott Frankel
and Jean Burquette. Those are the three partners at Frankel
and Frankel. Very good at what they do. If you're
involved in a wreck, reach out to the Frankeles two one, four, three, three,
three thirty three thirty three. But right now it's time
(00:25):
for this. Now is around the sports KT twins as.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
All the sports, Yes, all right?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you know on this show we are huge fans
of D magazine and man, they've got a doozy of
an article out. It's called Dirk is Anchorman. You've probably
seen incredible pictures circulating around social media of Dirk dressed
up like Ron Burgundy. Why Dallas's biggest sports hero is
getting a desk job. And the man who wrote that
story for D magazine, good friend of the show, Mike Palucci,
(00:59):
who joins us. Now, Mike, let's dive right into this thing.
This article is phenomenal. It's a deep, deep dive. And
Dirk obviously starting his work and is about to be
broadcasting on Friday nights with Amazon. It's going to be incredible.
But dude, when I started seeing Dirk dressed up as
Ron Burgundy, I was like, this is the genius of
d magazine. So walk us through all how all of
(01:22):
this came together.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, first off, thank you boys for having me. Always
good to be here. It was I mean, look, I
got to give credit to you know, our editors here
at Tim Rogers and Kathy Wise, to our art director
Stephen Revelos, who really you know this all happened because
Dirk's doing television for Amazon later this month. It's first,
you know, real gig since retiring for the MAVs. And
(01:44):
we're talking about this and I forget who brought it
up first, but someone said we should get him to
be anchorman. We should get him to be Ron Burgundy.
And I think, as you guys will know, for most
any other athlete in town, the next line that would
follow for me as a sports editor be yeah, okay,
but like is he gonna do? But it's Dirk and
we know Dirk with the jumbo trom bits, and we
know that that dude is down for anything, so it's
(02:05):
a yeah, I think we can make that happen, and
so we brought it to him. We brought it to
Scott Tomlin, who is his right hand man and former
pr head for the MAVs, and they, as I found
out later, they were a little hesitant. They were cautiously optimistic.
They said, sure, we'll do it. I think they may
be worded to could get a little too campy. But
everybody on our art side here, Elizabeth Laban or awesome photographer,
(02:28):
did just a killer job rebuilding the sets, and so
once they did it, they had an awesome time. And
I mean, there's so much stuff that we've done. You've
seen the photos, but if you go to our Instagram,
you'll see reels of Dirk just ripping off ron Burgundy lines.
Dude completely committed to the bit we colored in the
mustache forums He's got that thing going on. So yeah,
it was that made the whole thing right there. The
(02:49):
piece isn't nearly as good if Dirk isn't leaning into
everything about the ron Burgundy aesthetic.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So how did you guys pull this off in terms
of timing, because you know, in the summer Dirk disappeared,
he goes to Europe, right and then he's got his
charity event and he's getting ready for Amazon. So when
did you even have a chance to sit out with him?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, so this all started once I saw the Amazon
News leak out. I think Mark Stein reported it first
back in December, and I texted Scott at the time
and I said, is there, what do you want to
talk about this? And he's like, you know, let's just
wait till it's official and then we can reconvene. And
so I pitched this to them back in January February,
and the idea was very much a look, this is
(03:27):
a guy who, if you know the Dirt and Whisky story,
this is someone who when he was nineteen years old,
he almost went back to Germany because living in America
and speaking English language was just so overwhelming for him culturally,
Like it was just a lot. It was a big
change of pace, and so we almost didn't have this
great Dirk story that we had if he doesn't kind
of push through that discomfort. And what I wanted to
(03:48):
know was if you told that guy that your career
goes so well that you could do anything you want
and really do nothing at all. You could just sit
there and travel the world like he's been doing that
doing for the rest of his life. But he would
choose to be on television and talk in English to
millions of people around the world for like seven months
out of the year. What would you think? And I
(04:10):
Dirk wound up telling me that he would have thought that.
Woever told him I'd be completely insane. But that's what
I kind of pitched the Satis back in February, like,
I want this to be a story about communication as
much as anything else. And so we first sat down.
I sat down with Dirk for the first time in
late April. We did to shoot in May before they
went to Europe. Then I did another zoom with him
(04:30):
when he was in Europe, and in between him talking
all kinds of people. You'll see Mark Followell in there.
You'll see Steve Nash in there. You will see Brian
Emerson there, you will see Scott in there. You'll see
some you know, Taylor Rooks from Amazon who's hosting the show.
In there, got a whole bunch of people talking about
this whole deal and yeah, the way the magazine world works,
it's our October cover, but really it's got to be
done by mid August, so we wrapped this whole bad
(04:51):
Boy up early to mid August. That's how all kind
of about a seven to eight eight month timeline of
just kind of working on this thing off and on
and between other projects and kind of fitting in and
what we can make it fit in. And you know, credit
to Jerk for doing that when he's got a million
other things going on.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Man, and it is so special. We highly recommend this
to anybody out there. We're talking to Mike Polucci, D Magazine. Uh,
you mentioned Elizabeth Lavin, Tim Rodgers, of course, Mike Marshall.
We have such respect for everybody over there. Yeah, it
was everything here is just done so freaking well. We
cannot recommend this enough. So let's carry this over coming
(05:27):
up next. Let's talk about some of the things that
really stood out to us and stood out to you.
What did we learn about the big German during this process?
And we'll carry that over in just three minutes. Don't
go anywhere, h Is there a song any you know
we're gonna play songs. Is there any particular song you'd
like to hear, Mike while we carry this forward.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Why don't you mean a little three days grace before
that asteroid hits.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Easy, Let's do it right now on the Eagle. That
was never too late, As requested by Mike Polucci of
D Magazine. Here on the Eagle, and he's still hanging
out with this brand new article about Drtnovichki cover story
for the October issue of D Magazine, as Dirk embarks
on a new part of his journey, and that is
as a national broadcast figure, he'll be a part of
(06:08):
the studio crew for Amazon's NBA coverage. When you were
talking to Dirt, Mike, was there anything that you got
out of him about his upcoming broadcast journey that surprised
you or excited you, or or anything from that perspective.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I think just you know, the journey itself, I think
was interesting of how fast it went. This is a
guy who the way he thinks, of the way he works,
he's always he's thorough. He's really meticulous. Maybe that's the
German at him. So he talked to everybody around him.
He asked their opinions. He asked their opinions again. He
wants to really dissect all the angles and make this
deliberate choice. And this really came together in a less
(06:46):
than a month. Amazon reached out to him, they flew
him out to LA they had stay either went to
a steakhouse, they talked some more, and he really signed
on so fast that even his wife was just like, wait,
that's it. You're you're you're doing this thing. So I
think that was really surprising that he wanted to try
this and he felt that convicted. You know, he told
me that, And you guys know this being in a
(07:06):
production life, right, the people you do this way are
what matters. And I don't think every I think every
athlete retires missing the locker room. I think that's kind
of something that they all that void you try to
replace and you never really can. But you know, a
lot of the stuff that you do on the broadcast side,
it's what people see on TV as a fraction of
the hours you're spending there. A lot of it's on
glamorous work. A lot of it's time behind the scenes
(07:27):
with people. And if you don't like him, if you
don't have that good vibe, then it just feels like work.
And he doesn't want anything that feels like work because
he doesn't have to work. But he really liked the people,
he really liked the sensibilities, he liked that it feels
kind of like a startup and Tim, I think he's
excited to go create something and kind of see where,
you know, where it goes, and if it could be
something he wants to do for a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We're talking to the great Mike Poalucci of d magazine.
Incredible cover story on Dirk and what he's about to
be doing with Amazon and all things Dirk. We can't
get enough Dirk in this city or on this show specifically.
And man, you set the meat hooks right off the
rip in the article and you start talking about the
Utah is a bad city story. I thought that was
really well done for let's set the table for that
(08:07):
for folks who don't know, why did you decide to
start with that? And what is your take on how
that whole thing happened?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Well, you know, I have was sat in the last segment.
I think this is a story about communication. I think
you have to under to appreciate why, because you know,
I think, and I asked a number of people, there's
no way to totally confirm it, but he is believed
to be the first English second language speaker doing a
national NBA studio show. So that's a really big deal.
(08:34):
You know if some you know, for instance, Blake Griffin's
on the panel with him, No disrespect to Blake, Blake's awesome.
It's not that surprising to see a charismatic American born
dude doing television Like I'm sure he has his reasons
why that's exciting him, but are they as deep seated
as Dirks? I don't know. For me, what really fascinated
me was this guy who was petrified of speaking this
language wanting to do this, and so I think to
(08:56):
show why it's a big deal, you have to start
at the beginning and how rough it was. And so
the Utah is a bad city story is this isn't
even in the first year. You know, when Dirk Nearly
goes back, this is you know, this is the breakthrough
series they have in one that first playoff series they
win against the last Gas but the stock dam Alone
era jazz and he's twenty two at this point, he's
been here for a bit, you know that all those
(09:17):
stories about him hanging out with Nash and you know,
he's he's a little acclimated, but he still doesn't speak
in English the way he would now. He still isn't
that comfortable in his own skin. And so he's leaving
the floor. He's leaving practice. It's between the games one
and two and back then with a five game series,
he had a long layoff. They flew home to Dallas
instead of staying in Utah. So he's leaving the court.
(09:38):
They're about to go fly back. Some reporter there with
the camera is asking him. You know, he's just standing there.
He's just hoping to talk to somebody, and Dirk wants
to leave. He doesn't want to talk, and he's like, man,
I'm just gonna try, And so he goes over to
this guy and the guy asks them, hey, why did
you guys fly back to Dallas? And Dirk in his
head wants to tell him about, you know, the comfort
of sleeping in your own bed and your routines and
(09:58):
how jazz fans are suprise risingly intense and they'll, you know,
they'll kind of talk some best to you on the street,
but all that comes out is Utah is a bad
city and it's funny now, And he laughs at it
now and there was a sign of the stands that
Utah that said Germany is a bad city, which is
just incredible. But you're when you're when you're you know,
(10:19):
in a country, you're not comfortable with speaking a language
you don't know well, and you're self conscious. Like that
wrecked his confidence and so he he left that exchange
thinking he told me like that set me back because
I'm thinking, okay, not talking lost and I have to anymore.
I'll stick to can stuff. I don't want to say anything.
I don't want to make a mistake. And now here
we are, twenty five years later, and this guy is
thrilled to be on air talking English and doing basketball
(10:40):
every week. And I think, to appreciate how we got here,
you got to know the whole story, and that's what we
set out to do in this piece.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Uh well, Mike Man, we really appreciate the time. Thank
you so much for jumping on with us. Hearing about
thirty seconds or so. If you had to give one
reason why people need to go get the October issue
of d magazine and read this, what would it be
how much he's thinking about Dirk.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
There's a lot more you don't know, and you're to
learn some things reading this piece.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
That is very compelling. Hey, thank you for the time.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
We look forward to having you on the show again
real soon and see you down the road.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Homie. Thank you. JEFS appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
All Right, here he goes Mike Poalucci, one of the
great writers at d magazine. Pick up the October issue
with Dirk on the cover. Dirk is anchor man. All right,
coming up next here on the show, we do have
a news quickie and we do need to be worried
about asteroids hitting Earth or the moon, or do we
We'll figure all of that out next
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