October 23, 2025 • 5 mins
"Are the Cowboys about to repeat the Dolphins’ mistake — paying top dollar for receivers while their defense crumbles?"In this fiery and fast-paced episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the Cowboys’ internal debate over a potential extension for George Pickens. With Trevon Diggs still in concussion protocol and the defense ranked dead last in the league, the crew asks the hard questions: Is it worth locking in another high-priced receiver when your defense is in shambles?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fellas Cowboy surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All right, I can tell you that Trayvon Dick's still
in concussion protocol and it's Thursday, so likely not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
That could change, but it doesn't look good.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Mostly's judging that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, he absolutely is. There is something from ESPN I
saw and I'm gonna read this to you. The Cowboys
have had internal discussions about a possible extension for receiver
George Pickens, to the point where they've been examining the
rosters and cap situations of teams like the Bengals, Dolphins,
and Eagles, who are all paying multiple high end receivers
(00:52):
Cincinnatti Ta against Jamoar Chase, the Dolphins Tyreek Hill and
Jayden Waddell, the Eagles DeVante Smith and AJ Brown, and
they already pay Cde Lamb thirty four million a year.
The report goes on to say, I don't think anything
gets done on this till after the season. But Dallas
has been happy with him since acquiring him, so they're
(01:12):
happy with him. Dak loves him. They're gonna keep George Pickens,
and I don't know what the right call is. The
right call is probably to try to franchise him and
then that's so risky because he probably goes, well, I'm
not coming to camp see yah yeah, or Oie'll hang
out and have a bad back and do the Mica thing.
Same agent, same playbook, same protocol, will happen.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So I don't know. But if you did it right now,
I think it's fine.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well it's what we don't know what they're gonna ask for.
What if they say we want to make more money
than CD Lamb, I think let him go?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So if you're gonna let him go, then if you're
not gonna win a super Bowl this year, then not
only should you not extend him, you should trade him.
I know that's crazy, but rather than get nothing, are
very little. I mean, I like those compensatory picks Man
and Dax. We're gonna call this Dax prime.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Can you believe it? Guys, we're in Dax prime and
we're gonna call this that. Now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I think it's weird because it's kind of ebbed and
float a little bit. But I don't have a problem
playing this out year by year, year by year with him. Yeah, franchise,
He's not going to do that. That's gonna be brutal.
He's going to be a nightmare to deal with in
that regard, I think so probably. But if he says
that he wants more than Ceedee Lamb, then he would
(02:32):
be asking for Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Those are
the only two receivers, and quite frankly, his that doesn't
stack ups. I think his agent's smart enough to know
that he didn't have any like you couldn't play the
game with Mike.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
With mikey.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, the numbers are all checking out here, so yeah,
you would be the highest paid defensive player and only
math out that way for George Pickens. The problem is
your thirty three million dollars that Dk Metcalf makes, who
is in Pittsburgh, his former team. But I think you
can do that, I really do.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think three players.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All on one side of the ball eating up half
of your salary cap space doesn't seem like the right
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But you have minimum wage draft picks.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Right But you I think at that point you'd have
to say, all right, we're going to keep George Pickens
and we're gonna lose Javonte Williams or you know, different
things like that. You'll have to make concessions if you
keep him, and don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be
fun as hell to have your sixty million dollars quarterback,
have two legit receiving options and pretty good tight end.
(03:38):
But where you need help is on defense. I think
you would just say, all right, we're using every draft
pick on defense.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
If they were able to make significant strides in addressing
their defense, I would be way on board with franchising
Javonte Williams for one year. I think that's the position
more than any other, that you use the franchise tag on.
If you have a running back that I had a
badass here, he's in his twenties, that is far and
(04:04):
away the best position to use a franchise tag on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
How much is a franchise tag for a running back?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I bet it's thirteen, but it's one year, you're right, thirteen?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah. I don't want to give him fourteen million dollars
for one year. Sorry, I get a new running back? Yeah,
you know, which is yeah, fine, he's proving that you
can go do that again.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You can draft someone else and you probably they may
hate Jaden Blue.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I don't know, right, but you're talking about using like
a second or third or fourth round pick on a
running back. Yes, you have to rebuild your defense through
the draft. Your defense is worst in class, like it's
worst in the league. So you're not gonna have money
to go throw around at free agents. You're gonna have
to use your draft picks for that defense.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think if I if my first two picks in
their first round picks are defensive players, I don't have
a problem going running back with my second round pick.
If I got two defensive players I was happy with
in the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm just like, man, you're the thirty second rank defense.
I have thirty two teams. You need so much help.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, they also don't have a third round pick in
next year's draft because of pickings swords pickings.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, fu to think about.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But I thought that was interesting that they're already in
the Okay, how are the Dolphins. You don't want to
be in the cap situation. The Dolphins or the Bengals
are in right, and the Eagles always find a way somehow.
But the Cowboys don't operate like the Eagles do.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So what about the Eagles spending all that money on
receivers when they have a quarterback they can't throw.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's right, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
There you have it. There's cussing the cowboys coming up
next in the weekly week Day Update. Why is a
group of vigilantes in huge trouble we'll discuss next, and then,
don't forget. We end the show today with the first
mosquito in the Wholt Prank. You've got to tune in
for that before we get to the weekly Weekday Update
in just about three minutes.
Fellas Cowboy surprise.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
All right, I can tell you that Trayvon Dick's still
in concussion protocol and it's Thursday, so likely not gonna play.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
That could change, but it doesn't look good.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Mostly's judging that.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, he absolutely is. There is something from ESPN I
saw and I'm gonna read this to you. The Cowboys
have had internal discussions about a possible extension for receiver
George Pickens, to the point where they've been examining the
rosters and cap situations of teams like the Bengals, Dolphins,
and Eagles, who are all paying multiple high end receivers
(00:52):
Cincinnatti Ta against Jamoar Chase, the Dolphins Tyreek Hill and
Jayden Waddell, the Eagles DeVante Smith and AJ Brown, and
they already pay Cde Lamb thirty four million a year.
The report goes on to say, I don't think anything
gets done on this till after the season. But Dallas
has been happy with him since acquiring him, so they're
(01:12):
happy with him. Dak loves him. They're gonna keep George Pickens,
and I don't know what the right call is. The
right call is probably to try to franchise him and
then that's so risky because he probably goes, well, I'm
not coming to camp see yah yeah, or Oie'll hang
out and have a bad back and do the Mica thing.
Same agent, same playbook, same protocol, will happen.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So I don't know. But if you did it right now,
I think it's fine.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well it's what we don't know what they're gonna ask for.
What if they say we want to make more money
than CD Lamb, I think let him go?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
So if you're gonna let him go, then if you're
not gonna win a super Bowl this year, then not
only should you not extend him, you should trade him.
I know that's crazy, but rather than get nothing, are
very little. I mean, I like those compensatory picks Man
and Dax. We're gonna call this Dax prime.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Can you believe it? Guys, we're in Dax prime and
we're gonna call this that. Now.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I think it's weird because it's kind of ebbed and
float a little bit. But I don't have a problem
playing this out year by year, year by year with him. Yeah, franchise,
He's not going to do that. That's gonna be brutal.
He's going to be a nightmare to deal with in
that regard, I think so probably. But if he says
that he wants more than Ceedee Lamb, then he would
(02:32):
be asking for Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Those are
the only two receivers, and quite frankly, his that doesn't
stack ups. I think his agent's smart enough to know
that he didn't have any like you couldn't play the
game with Mike.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
With mikey.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, the numbers are all checking out here, so yeah,
you would be the highest paid defensive player and only
math out that way for George Pickens. The problem is
your thirty three million dollars that Dk Metcalf makes, who
is in Pittsburgh, his former team. But I think you
can do that, I really do.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think three players.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All on one side of the ball eating up half
of your salary cap space doesn't seem like the right
thing to do.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
But you have minimum wage draft picks.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Right But you I think at that point you'd have
to say, all right, we're going to keep George Pickens
and we're gonna lose Javonte Williams or you know, different
things like that. You'll have to make concessions if you
keep him, and don't get me wrong, I'm gonna be
fun as hell to have your sixty million dollars quarterback,
have two legit receiving options and pretty good tight end.
(03:38):
But where you need help is on defense. I think
you would just say, all right, we're using every draft
pick on defense.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
If they were able to make significant strides in addressing
their defense, I would be way on board with franchising
Javonte Williams for one year. I think that's the position
more than any other, that you use the franchise tag on.
If you have a running back that I had a
badass here, he's in his twenties, that is far and
(04:04):
away the best position to use a franchise tag on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
How much is a franchise tag for a running back?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I bet it's thirteen, but it's one year, you're right, thirteen?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah. I don't want to give him fourteen million dollars
for one year. Sorry, I get a new running back? Yeah,
you know, which is yeah, fine, he's proving that you
can go do that again.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
You can draft someone else and you probably they may
hate Jaden Blue.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I don't know, right, but you're talking about using like
a second or third or fourth round pick on a
running back. Yes, you have to rebuild your defense through
the draft. Your defense is worst in class, like it's
worst in the league. So you're not gonna have money
to go throw around at free agents. You're gonna have
to use your draft picks for that defense.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I think if I if my first two picks in
their first round picks are defensive players, I don't have
a problem going running back with my second round pick.
If I got two defensive players I was happy with
in the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm just like, man, you're the thirty second rank defense.
I have thirty two teams. You need so much help.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, they also don't have a third round pick in
next year's draft because of pickings swords pickings.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, fu to think about.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But I thought that was interesting that they're already in
the Okay, how are the Dolphins. You don't want to
be in the cap situation. The Dolphins or the Bengals
are in right, and the Eagles always find a way somehow.
But the Cowboys don't operate like the Eagles do.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
So what about the Eagles spending all that money on
receivers when they have a quarterback they can't throw.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's right, all right.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
There you have it. There's cussing the cowboys coming up
next in the weekly week Day Update. Why is a
group of vigilantes in huge trouble we'll discuss next, and then,
don't forget. We end the show today with the first
mosquito in the Wholt Prank. You've got to tune in
for that before we get to the weekly Weekday Update
in just about three minutes.
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