July 23, 2025 • 6 mins
“Is life in prison actually worse than the death penalty?”
That’s the question that kicks off a hilariously intense and thought-provoking episode of The Ben and Skin Show on 97.1 The Eagle. Join Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray as they dive headfirst into the biggest stories of the day—with their signature blend of sharp insight, offbeat humor, and unfiltered takes.
That’s the question that kicks off a hilariously intense and thought-provoking episode of The Ben and Skin Show on 97.1 The Eagle. Join Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray as they dive headfirst into the biggest stories of the day—with their signature blend of sharp insight, offbeat humor, and unfiltered takes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one. The Eagle
Boy the Cowboys saga continues. Micah Parsons retaliated yesterday to
all the stuff Jerry Jones was saying on Monday, and
we've got the audio for you coming up here at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Are you excited?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And featuring veteran news anchor kt fun tweets our guy,
Brian Koberger, the Idaho the guy who murdered this for
University of Idaho students, has been sentenced today to life
in prison.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Do you guys? I think that's worse than the death penalty.
And I love it, Like I feel like the death
penalty is is like all right, you're you're off the hook,
Like I want him to suffer. I think life in
prison is going to be more suffering.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I agree, depending on the facility, Okay, right, because if
you end up in a place that's pretty cauchy and
you're end up able to have a good little home, right,
that's not really right now, that's not gonna happen for him, clearly,
and without parole too, right Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he's done.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I think he've got four life counts actually wow, because
he killed four people. Yeah, four life says, then life
is like sixty five years or something. I mean there's
a number on life, is that right? Yeah, it's and
it's less than what you expect. Like there's been who
had sort of life in prison but got out at
the age of the number is seventy. Yeah, that turned
(01:31):
out bad guy. I mean it's pretty cut and dry
case here, Yeah, got him, had cell phone data pretty easy.
They found the sheath on his knife. Horrible and he does.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
And now serial killer vibes just the friend the group
of friends that stayed at that house, right, and he
just went and killed them all.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, three of three girls, one boy, and there's two
people who yet there who who like saw somebody walking
down the hallway right, or saw somebody walking in the whole.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's that's terrific in every way.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
College is weird though, because it's you're sometimes in places
with strangers, so it's like, yeah, they're like, oh, there's
that person. That's one of my friend's friends, friends friends friends.
Deep ELM's big article. Uh, Fox four had this big story.
Steve the Eager Beaver was on it. Back in news form.
He had a he had a hit all of rut.
He's back into reporting the news.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You're the only one reporting that he had a rut.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, that way, I've never heard.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He's been consistent the whole way for me.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So, Uh, there's a few Deep Ellum businesses and property
owners that are calling on the city to take some
dramatic action because there's been a series of violent incidents
at deep Elm for a while now. That's been happening,
but there was uh three shootings in June, and Uh,
there's a few people. The president of the Deep Ellum
Foundation uh is one of them. It is basically, UH
(02:50):
sent a letter to the city saying, look, Deep Elm
is an amazing neighborhood. Uh, I love this neighborhood, but
until we see some real policy change, it's not safe
in the late night hours. And what they're proposing is
to shut down Deep Elum businesses at midnight.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Who's proposing that.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
His name is Uh, he's the Deep Elm He's the
president of the Deep Elum Foundation. Is John Hetzel? Is
he a business owner down there to property owner? Okay,
so I don't know, probably a bit. Property owner and
business owner is different. And let me tell you why. Yeah,
well you know why.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The property owner is the guy that's rending out to
the business, and the business is like, but we need
to sell alcohol from twelve to two, and he's like,
I'm getting my rent no matter what. But then at
the end of the day, if you can't have any
renters there because of issues. And it's not just the
safety issues. I mean Deep Elum business has also been
killed by them redoing those streets.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That construction is awful.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You can't even get the dots unless you go. It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean the only time I ever really go
down there anymore anyways is if I'm going to a
show at the Bomb Factory.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I've been tempted to go to Ruins a couple of
times because some DJs are there that I like, But
I mean, i'd wait, I wait, prefer the double wide
because you don't have to deal with all the I don't.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Even consider that a part of Deep Ellum. Yeah, you know,
I know, it's a hard right.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I was, man, we used to go down there quite
a bit. We live down there, but it's been a
million years and I am not inclined.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To go there ever.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
For any reason. Now, Yeah, I'm just saying I'm I
want no part of it. And and maybe it's like
a shark attack where all right, there was a report
on a shark attack. Now, I don't want to go
in the water. But when I see those stories down there,
I'm like, man, I'm just asking for trouble going there. Yeah,
and maybe it's just isolated events and it's not as
(04:47):
rampant as I make it as it seems when you
see it reported on. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I just do it doesn't feel safe.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I've seen business.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Owners be like, hey, man, you guys are over glorifying
this stuff for news purposes. And I've seen other bits
business owners be like, no, we need to clean this
stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It's bad for business. Right.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
This happened to Uptown in the last ten years too,
where they were getting hit with tons of crime and
you know, a lot of gunshots going off and things
like that. This is I don't know, midnight might be
in an arbitrary hour right there. Maybe it's later, but
it is happening there more than it's happening in other
hangout neighborhoods in Dallas. I think we all know that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I tend to be okay if I'm there at a
concert because everybody lets out at the same time and
then you can leave.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Yeah, And we have shows down there all the time,
and I always think the same thing as been.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm like, oh God, is this this going to be
the time?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Totally fine? Every single time I get in and out,
no problem. But I will say this too, because at
twilight we'll usually do a three hour set.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Some of our best.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Customers come in after midnight because they're drunk and they're like,
oh hell yeah Nirvana, and then we get tips from that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Here's what he says. Neighborhood's getting inundated by people just
coming late at night not to have a good time
and get a little drunk, but to bring their guns
and booze bottles and party and get in fights. And
those fights occasionally they escalate to gun violence, which is
not fair to hundreds of good businesses that we do
have in this neighborhood. And that's the thing too, is
doing a small measure like closing the business down a
little bit earlier, Does that make the long term neighborhood
(06:12):
you know, prosper Yeah. Not the city prosper but prosper us.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I mean, it's a lot of time to think about it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Will be following this throughout the years and months here
on the Benensicula.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Coming up next, let's turn our attention to Dallas Cowboys football.
The biggest story in town Micah Parsons new chess move
against Jerry Jones. Stay tuned for this, It's coming up next.
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one. The Eagle
Boy the Cowboys saga continues. Micah Parsons retaliated yesterday to
all the stuff Jerry Jones was saying on Monday, and
we've got the audio for you coming up here at
the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
But right now it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Are you excited?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
And featuring veteran news anchor kt fun tweets our guy,
Brian Koberger, the Idaho the guy who murdered this for
University of Idaho students, has been sentenced today to life
in prison.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Do you guys? I think that's worse than the death penalty.
And I love it, Like I feel like the death
penalty is is like all right, you're you're off the hook,
Like I want him to suffer. I think life in
prison is going to be more suffering.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I agree, depending on the facility, Okay, right, because if
you end up in a place that's pretty cauchy and
you're end up able to have a good little home, right,
that's not really right now, that's not gonna happen for him, clearly,
and without parole too, right Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he's done.
Speaker 5 (01:11):
I think he've got four life counts actually wow, because
he killed four people. Yeah, four life says, then life
is like sixty five years or something. I mean there's
a number on life, is that right? Yeah, it's and
it's less than what you expect. Like there's been who
had sort of life in prison but got out at
the age of the number is seventy. Yeah, that turned
(01:31):
out bad guy. I mean it's pretty cut and dry
case here, Yeah, got him, had cell phone data pretty easy.
They found the sheath on his knife. Horrible and he does.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
And now serial killer vibes just the friend the group
of friends that stayed at that house, right, and he
just went and killed them all.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yeah, three of three girls, one boy, and there's two
people who yet there who who like saw somebody walking
down the hallway right, or saw somebody walking in the whole.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
That's that's terrific in every way.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
College is weird though, because it's you're sometimes in places
with strangers, so it's like, yeah, they're like, oh, there's
that person. That's one of my friend's friends, friends friends friends.
Deep ELM's big article. Uh, Fox four had this big story.
Steve the Eager Beaver was on it. Back in news form.
He had a he had a hit all of rut.
He's back into reporting the news.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
You're the only one reporting that he had a rut.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, that way, I've never heard.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
He's been consistent the whole way for me.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
So, Uh, there's a few Deep Ellum businesses and property
owners that are calling on the city to take some
dramatic action because there's been a series of violent incidents
at deep Elm for a while now. That's been happening,
but there was uh three shootings in June, and Uh,
there's a few people. The president of the Deep Ellum
Foundation uh is one of them. It is basically, UH
(02:50):
sent a letter to the city saying, look, Deep Elm
is an amazing neighborhood. Uh, I love this neighborhood, but
until we see some real policy change, it's not safe
in the late night hours. And what they're proposing is
to shut down Deep Elum businesses at midnight.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Who's proposing that.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
His name is Uh, he's the Deep Elm He's the
president of the Deep Elum Foundation. Is John Hetzel? Is
he a business owner down there to property owner? Okay,
so I don't know, probably a bit. Property owner and
business owner is different. And let me tell you why. Yeah,
well you know why.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The property owner is the guy that's rending out to
the business, and the business is like, but we need
to sell alcohol from twelve to two, and he's like,
I'm getting my rent no matter what. But then at
the end of the day, if you can't have any
renters there because of issues. And it's not just the
safety issues. I mean Deep Elum business has also been
killed by them redoing those streets.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That construction is awful.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
You can't even get the dots unless you go. It's stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, I mean the only time I ever really go
down there anymore anyways is if I'm going to a
show at the Bomb Factory.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I've been tempted to go to Ruins a couple of
times because some DJs are there that I like, But
I mean, i'd wait, I wait, prefer the double wide
because you don't have to deal with all the I don't.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Even consider that a part of Deep Ellum. Yeah, you know,
I know, it's a hard right.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
I was, man, we used to go down there quite
a bit. We live down there, but it's been a
million years and I am not inclined.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To go there ever.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
For any reason. Now, Yeah, I'm just saying I'm I
want no part of it. And and maybe it's like
a shark attack where all right, there was a report
on a shark attack. Now, I don't want to go
in the water. But when I see those stories down there,
I'm like, man, I'm just asking for trouble going there. Yeah,
and maybe it's just isolated events and it's not as
(04:47):
rampant as I make it as it seems when you
see it reported on. You know what I'm saying, Yeah,
I just do it doesn't feel safe.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I've seen business.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Owners be like, hey, man, you guys are over glorifying
this stuff for news purposes. And I've seen other bits
business owners be like, no, we need to clean this
stuff up.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
It's bad for business. Right.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
This happened to Uptown in the last ten years too,
where they were getting hit with tons of crime and
you know, a lot of gunshots going off and things
like that. This is I don't know, midnight might be
in an arbitrary hour right there. Maybe it's later, but
it is happening there more than it's happening in other
hangout neighborhoods in Dallas. I think we all know that.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I tend to be okay if I'm there at a
concert because everybody lets out at the same time and
then you can leave.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Yeah, And we have shows down there all the time,
and I always think the same thing as been.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I'm like, oh God, is this this going to be
the time?
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Totally fine? Every single time I get in and out,
no problem. But I will say this too, because at
twilight we'll usually do a three hour set.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Some of our best.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Customers come in after midnight because they're drunk and they're like,
oh hell yeah Nirvana, and then we get tips from that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Here's what he says. Neighborhood's getting inundated by people just
coming late at night not to have a good time
and get a little drunk, but to bring their guns
and booze bottles and party and get in fights. And
those fights occasionally they escalate to gun violence, which is
not fair to hundreds of good businesses that we do
have in this neighborhood. And that's the thing too, is
doing a small measure like closing the business down a
little bit earlier, Does that make the long term neighborhood
(06:12):
you know, prosper Yeah. Not the city prosper but prosper us.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I mean, it's a lot of time to think about it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I think it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Will be following this throughout the years and months here
on the Benensicula.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Coming up next, let's turn our attention to Dallas Cowboys football.
The biggest story in town Micah Parsons new chess move
against Jerry Jones. Stay tuned for this, It's coming up next.
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