September 11, 2025 • 6 mins
"What would you do if your high school friend turned out to be Jeffrey Epstein… and your name was suddenly in the headlines because of it?"In this jaw-dropping episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray unpack one of the strangest, most surreal stories to hit Dallas in years — and it all starts with a phone call to a man named Terry Kafka.What begins as a bizarre tale about a 50th birthday book filled with raunchy letters and a nude drawing allegedly by Donald Trump, quickly spirals into a tangled web of Epstein-era flashbacks, awkward underwear photos, and unexpected Dallas connections — including a local optometrist who once played guitar in the band that became Kansas. Yes, that Kansas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's going on in Dallas, Dallan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, this is a wild one from Robert Wolanski at
the Dallas Morning News. This is some good investigative journalism.
Here's a I'm just gonna read you some of what
he wrote. Here, he says, I called Terry Kafka at
two twenty three pm on Tuesday. I did not expect
him to call me back. Surely, after the events of
the last twenty four hours or so, he had chucked
(00:34):
his phone into the swimming pool and gone into hiding
behind the high white hulls of his home, which the
Preston Hollow Advocate once claimed helped pave the way for
contemporary architecture in Preston Hollow. Terry Kaffka is a seventy
four year old man who is a high school friend
of Jeffrey Epstein. And it was revealed once Congress got
(00:56):
their hands on it, and this is there's a fiftieth
birthday book in which all of Epstein's friends wrote him letters.
The reason it's in the news and the reason it's
in Congress is because it's the one that allegedly Trump
drew a picture of a naked woman on And there's
some weird sentences and back, you know, a conversation. It's
got Donald Trump's signature on it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How long goes this?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Like this has happened this week?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
No, No, I'm saying he turned fifty this week.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He's dead, right, Yeah, this would have been a long
time ago.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, him and Trump were kind of close in age.
I think Epstein was a little bit I would guess early.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Two thousands would be my guess. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
So this guy, uh, this guy's seventy four down four
high school with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So he moved here and as well, Oscar writes, I
never expected to hear back from him, and I was
shocked when two hours later he called me back. Now,
Kafka wrote a letter and it opened with, well, let's
say a picture of the night Epstein's parents conceived him.
(01:58):
A drawing, A drawing, he said it was a lurid
imagining of it, none of which I think I can
quote here. The letter also contains details about the night
Epstein lost his virginity. There are photos too, in the
birthday book of Epstein, Kafka and two other boy boyhood
friends and their underwear. And then by the time they
(02:18):
had spoken on the phone, the names and the photos
had leaked. I'm gonna show you guys a picture that's
at the top of the Dallas Morning News with this article.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You can't send it, okay, in underwear.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's four guys.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
They're a bunch older there.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They were doing a reimagining a picture that they took, yeah,
in high school. The guy in the tight.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And he's ripped.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So very strange.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Right, how is this guy's name spelled? Kafka? So probably Kafka,
maybe Kafka. Yes, Okay, he's probably. He probably wanted you
to keep saying Kafka.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So uh, Wawatsky writes. Watsky was shocked that he called
him back. He's like, why would this guy he's seventy four,
h don't do media on this, Watska writes. Unlike Trump,
who continues to deny having written a letter with a
now famous straw in the book, Kafka said that he
did and said that the contents of it were horrible
and not who he was. He'll never put this headset
(03:30):
on again, he said quote. He said he also wasn't
his idea. He was instructed by Epstein's girlfriend Gilaine Maxwell
to do this quote on the occasion of his fiftieth birthday.
I was contacted by Gilainne Maxwell, who I'd never met.
Good thing to say. Yeah, She said, we're doing this
big birthday party for Jeff and I know he was
close to you as a teenager, and could you send
(03:50):
him a letter or note for his fiftieth birthday? She said,
make it as funny as you can, and even make
it a little raunchy, give him a laugh.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So I did, which, by the way, that's very sure.
That's very normal behavior for people turning fifty when they're friends, Hey,
make a raunchy things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yes, Okay, I don't like, you know, if.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It's a close group of friends have known each other
forever and kick each other nuts. Hey, you know, like
I think about how raunchy me and Ben could you know,
write a funny birthday note with all our history together
and how long we've known each other? Right, Yeah, if
you've known each other for fifty years and you go
back to your teens, you can write. You can come
up with something raunchy and you're not gonna think it's
(04:30):
going to be used against you thirty years later.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, you also have no idea what things people are
going to do that you just happen to go to
school with Yeah, right, Like we go to school with
a guy, you know, we grew up with a guy,
or I knew a guy who murdered someone. Yeah, you know,
and it's like what it was like that is it's
not a reflection on us. Yeah, Like he just went
to our same school for a while. But it's still.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, this is why because he says, I've never been
in his airplane, never been to his island. The extent
of our relationship was growing up. And that's what makes
all this even weirder. It was so long ago, it's
all been so surreal. I'm numb to it now, and
he's on the news. I don't pay attention to it anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But also, he recreated an underwear picture in their Adult Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But there's the thing. The headline is two Dallas men
because of the four men in the underwear picture that
I showed you guys, is another man by the name
of Warren Eisenstein who died in twenty fourteen. But he
was a Dallas optometrist and a musician who played guitar
in the band White Clover before it turned into Kansas.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Whoa like Kansas Kansas is going on. Harry on our
Wayward said two guys, just Dallas dude taking around.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He you just bump into him at a potbelly and
then this is becoming a lot like old school and
you're just singing dust in the wind and it is crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Wow, what an article. Go read it at the Dallas
Morning News. Robert Wolanski's awesome.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's great. It's really great reporting. All right, it's the
beIN and Skin Show ninety seven point one. The Eagle
coming up next. It's the only segment that we never podcast.
You gotta listen live. It's the Today game right here
on the Eagle.
What's going on in Dallas, Dallan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, this is a wild one from Robert Wolanski at
the Dallas Morning News. This is some good investigative journalism.
Here's a I'm just gonna read you some of what
he wrote. Here, he says, I called Terry Kafka at
two twenty three pm on Tuesday. I did not expect
him to call me back. Surely, after the events of
the last twenty four hours or so, he had chucked
(00:34):
his phone into the swimming pool and gone into hiding
behind the high white hulls of his home, which the
Preston Hollow Advocate once claimed helped pave the way for
contemporary architecture in Preston Hollow. Terry Kaffka is a seventy
four year old man who is a high school friend
of Jeffrey Epstein. And it was revealed once Congress got
(00:56):
their hands on it, and this is there's a fiftieth
birthday book in which all of Epstein's friends wrote him letters.
The reason it's in the news and the reason it's
in Congress is because it's the one that allegedly Trump
drew a picture of a naked woman on And there's
some weird sentences and back, you know, a conversation. It's
got Donald Trump's signature on it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
How long goes this?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Like this has happened this week?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
No, No, I'm saying he turned fifty this week.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He's dead, right, Yeah, this would have been a long
time ago.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, him and Trump were kind of close in age.
I think Epstein was a little bit I would guess early.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Two thousands would be my guess. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
So this guy, uh, this guy's seventy four down four
high school with Epstein.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
So he moved here and as well, Oscar writes, I
never expected to hear back from him, and I was
shocked when two hours later he called me back. Now,
Kafka wrote a letter and it opened with, well, let's
say a picture of the night Epstein's parents conceived him.
(01:58):
A drawing, A drawing, he said it was a lurid
imagining of it, none of which I think I can
quote here. The letter also contains details about the night
Epstein lost his virginity. There are photos too, in the
birthday book of Epstein, Kafka and two other boy boyhood
friends and their underwear. And then by the time they
(02:18):
had spoken on the phone, the names and the photos
had leaked. I'm gonna show you guys a picture that's
at the top of the Dallas Morning News with this article.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You can't send it, okay, in underwear.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's four guys.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
They're a bunch older there.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They were doing a reimagining a picture that they took, yeah,
in high school. The guy in the tight.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
And he's ripped.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So very strange.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Right, how is this guy's name spelled? Kafka? So probably Kafka,
maybe Kafka. Yes, Okay, he's probably. He probably wanted you
to keep saying Kafka.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So uh, Wawatsky writes. Watsky was shocked that he called
him back. He's like, why would this guy he's seventy four,
h don't do media on this, Watska writes. Unlike Trump,
who continues to deny having written a letter with a
now famous straw in the book, Kafka said that he
did and said that the contents of it were horrible
and not who he was. He'll never put this headset
(03:30):
on again, he said quote. He said he also wasn't
his idea. He was instructed by Epstein's girlfriend Gilaine Maxwell
to do this quote on the occasion of his fiftieth birthday.
I was contacted by Gilainne Maxwell, who I'd never met.
Good thing to say. Yeah, She said, we're doing this
big birthday party for Jeff and I know he was
close to you as a teenager, and could you send
(03:50):
him a letter or note for his fiftieth birthday? She said,
make it as funny as you can, and even make
it a little raunchy, give him a laugh.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So I did, which, by the way, that's very sure.
That's very normal behavior for people turning fifty when they're friends, Hey,
make a raunchy things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yes, Okay, I don't like, you know, if.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
It's a close group of friends have known each other
forever and kick each other nuts. Hey, you know, like
I think about how raunchy me and Ben could you know,
write a funny birthday note with all our history together
and how long we've known each other? Right, Yeah, if
you've known each other for fifty years and you go
back to your teens, you can write. You can come
up with something raunchy and you're not gonna think it's
(04:30):
going to be used against you thirty years later.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, you also have no idea what things people are
going to do that you just happen to go to
school with Yeah, right, Like we go to school with
a guy, you know, we grew up with a guy,
or I knew a guy who murdered someone. Yeah, you know,
and it's like what it was like that is it's
not a reflection on us. Yeah, Like he just went
to our same school for a while. But it's still.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, this is why because he says, I've never been
in his airplane, never been to his island. The extent
of our relationship was growing up. And that's what makes
all this even weirder. It was so long ago, it's
all been so surreal. I'm numb to it now, and
he's on the news. I don't pay attention to it anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But also, he recreated an underwear picture in their Adult Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But there's the thing. The headline is two Dallas men
because of the four men in the underwear picture that
I showed you guys, is another man by the name
of Warren Eisenstein who died in twenty fourteen. But he
was a Dallas optometrist and a musician who played guitar
in the band White Clover before it turned into Kansas.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Whoa like Kansas Kansas is going on. Harry on our
Wayward said two guys, just Dallas dude taking around.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
He you just bump into him at a potbelly and
then this is becoming a lot like old school and
you're just singing dust in the wind and it is crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Wow, what an article. Go read it at the Dallas
Morning News. Robert Wolanski's awesome.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's great. It's really great reporting. All right, it's the
beIN and Skin Show ninety seven point one. The Eagle
coming up next. It's the only segment that we never podcast.
You gotta listen live. It's the Today game right here
on the Eagle.
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