Full Show: August 28, 2025

Here's Thursday's show, featuring a review of the final episode of th Cowboys documentary, a deep dive into an American male name that is having a resurgence, and the very unsettling final acting role of a TV legend. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Track.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Another edition of things is traffic.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
So I'm weirded out by unseasonably nice weather.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Yeah, like it's it kind of scares me.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Like we only had like a week of kind of
intense heat and it wasn't what we're used to.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Right in good summer. We okay, got it, don't don't
jump there. Tom Cruise made it happen, is okay? Now
I'm okay with that. I'm I'm not okay with whatever
Kat said, but I'm okay with the idea that Tom
Cruise made it happen. I looked ahead because you know,
the last couple of days it hadn't been outrageously hot hot.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yesterday, budd it.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Did, it did, And today that the high is ninety five,
with a real fill of one oh four in the afternoon, okay,
like five o'clock a little bit later. I would like
you to develop a character named real Phil. But I'm
interested in looking ahead because we have a holiday weekend
and today the high is ninety five. After that, the

(01:07):
highs are eighty nine, eighty five, eighty four, eighty seven,
eighty eight, eighty six, seventy eight, seventy nine, eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I'm jumping a whole week and a half ahead. Are
we done with the summer? I don't know, Okay, don't
don't it?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Is this a walking up to a guy and a
no hitter and going, hey, I don't think you've given
up a hit.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Hey, let me rub your shoulder. But I but no,
but Ben, you bring it up.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
And so I'm I'm confused because when we had that
precipitous temperature drop, I was like, Okay, in three days,
it's going to.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Pop back up to one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
We didn't have that many hundred degree days this year, right, right,
But it's also.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Not an El Nino year.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
So it has been miserable though means it sucks so bad.
But I expected to be miserable for three months now
and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
We've had a great sum We've had a great one
of the more mild summers of our time of ours now,
a real, a real sword to my global warming okay stamps?
Why so? It just because people don't look at the
big picture. They look at they'll take one season in
a small sample size.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I know your captain climate, but is are you are
you saying that it's a less harsh summer because of
the all the emissions into the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, No, I don't have anything to do with ething
is more like an El Nino situation. ELI summer brings
more heat. Yeah, you know they're calling for a colder,
wetter winter. So I did they is the Farmer's Almanac.
I did hear people say, does this mean we're going
to have a twenty twenty one February?

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Like that's that's being bandied about, right, I love saying
bandied Yeah, And the same segment which I said, precipitous,
it's kind of like rifling. Yeah, rifled, hey, rifle through
your stuff. So then I started going, all right, we're
going to have a three day weekend. We're not a
spoiler alert. The Bend and Skin Show will not be
doing a live show on Labor Day, but tune in

(03:02):
and listen because we need the ratings. Yes, we're gonna
trick them.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I think tricking them with the best of is confusing.
It's clearly segments from twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, during February, So it's all gonna be segmenting segments
from February of twenty twenty one. So I started looking ahead,
going okay, now there is gonna be some a smattering
of rain, but that's okay, not on Labor Day. So
then I start thinking, all right, man, maybe I'll actually,
you know, enjoy myself on Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Not like that.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'm not going to announce that on the radio. I
announced that on Instagram. So I was like, all right, well,
I'm gonna start searching around see what's happening on Labor Day?

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Man?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
And I saw this little news story and it was
sixteen places that are going to be open on Labor
Day and I have weird number, and I clicked on
it and let me just read you the first one,
seven eleven.

Speaker 6 (04:01):
Hell yeah, content machine is cranking.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
This North Texas convenience store has a two dollars snack
deal going through September fourth. Certain snacks and beverages like
body armor and slim gem sticks are selling for two
dollars a pop.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
This was in the newspapers.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
I mean, gas stations are expected to be open twenty
four to seven, right, Are we that dumb?

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Now?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
I'm cickbait.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Baby?

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Does this tie into the unseasonably solid weather? Is everybody
freaking out? And they're like, okay, well what am I
gonna do on Labor Day? I don't know, see what's
happening in seven eleven.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
What is going on?

Speaker 7 (04:40):
So weird?

Speaker 8 (04:40):
Are we?

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I mean on Christmas Day you realize, Okay, there's not
a lot of places open today.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
But on Labor Days Day, I could use this right
Christmas Day, you know seven eleven will be there for you.
Sixty five, baby.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Honey, what's open today? I don't know when to go
get a convenience store? Do like people eat their out
of necessity, like they've been driving all night and it's
the only thing that's open or whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
But the idea of like, let me plan for Labor Day.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
There's a two dollars slim gym stick at seven eleven.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
What is happening? Plus and Dallas were Worth.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
It's like you, if you're gonna go out of your
way to get somewhere, you're gonna spend two dollars in
gas to get there.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I gotta drive out there to go get a discount
slim gym. I'm not trying to hijack your segment, but
like for the sake of the show, yeah, I'm curious
to what the other fifteen things are they're gonna be open.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
If we could do that tomorrow, Okay, yeah, tomorrow, I'll
give you the other fifteen things besides seven eleven that.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I mean, it's got to be a bucket, right. Anyways,
we'll try to get to the bottom of all this.
I was confused, all right, we got what's going on
in Dallas? Coming up?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
We got to think a teacher. But coming up next
super Bowl halftime odds, that's next on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Hot God, every stay on the in the so, I
get an email in my iHeart email and it was
about some the latest super Bowl halftime show odds after

(06:11):
the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey engagement. Not sure why
that would change it, but I do have forty acts
in front of me. You guys want to fire away
and guess some you can or we can start at
the bottom and get to the top. It's pretty exciting
stuff for me.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Do we is forty through twenty one worth talking about?
Everyone's worth talking about?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
In opinion?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
What are you a kindergarten to take the Super Bowl
Halftime show? This is the best of the best. Man,
Think about the categories. There's there's like, Okay, do they
approach it with bov Do they have to be regional
for where the super Bowl is. No, they don't have
a back to that end, And I'm just saying, is
it do they factor that end?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Do they factor in the style of music? Does it matter?
Is it rap?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Is it country? Is it rock? Or whatever? Is it?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
You know, like some badass, traditional, awesome band that's not
necessarily recent, But are there some huge band? Like are
there all types of these littered through the top forty?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it's all types.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And also keep in mind, like what you're one of
the things you're referencing, Ben, which I would call the
legacy bands, they're pretty much they've run through all of them, right,
like we've had it. There's no classic band left. It's
still together. I mean Metallica, right, I think that's yeah.
But I would also say that Metallic is still relevant

(07:30):
and it's in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
But no, you bring up a good thing. They haven't
played that card since the who I want to say
the Springsteen Springsteen? Who was after Springsteen? Were they really?
Oh good? But there was a you know, if you
want to say legacy, I guess the West Coast hip
hop tribute that.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
They did was, but that had Kendrick out there. Yeah,
but you're right, No, I mean that that's the closest
thing I've seen to that. Yeah, has post Malone done
it yet? No, I would say he's definitely a candidate.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
He's probably a top ten or may be top five.
He's sixteen to one odds down there, and probably about
about the middle of the middle of the pack. Okay,
I'll tell you who's who's in the middle of the
pack with all right, Morgan Wallin, Luke Combs, Justin Bieber,
Lady Gaga, who's already done it. Bieber's spinning out of
control right now. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I think I'll construct an album actually, Okay, I thought
he was struggling.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Uh mean, he's got Bill's palsy a little bit. Yeah, there,
he did have that. I forgot he had that. Yeah,
but I think he's fine. Bad Bunny's on there. Bad
Bunny has been a secondary yeah, with jay Loo and Shakira.
But there's your sixteen to one odds middle of the pack,
So I'm deleting those from my list. Here is Taylor
your top odd Yes, Taylor is number one, jay Z

(08:44):
number two four, jay Z is one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
nine ten. Where's Alika? Also ten. Okay, well, twelve to
one odds.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
So I thought Taylor Swift couldn't do it because she
had like a Pepsi deal.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
That's over.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
That's over. Oh okay, okay, that does change a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, and I thought Jerry Jones fixed all that, so
that's over and she makes the most sense, right, Yeah,
she wants to do it real quick.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I can't believe y'all didn't mention the Pepsi boots that
were on full display in that documentary.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yes, just like our reason. Yeah, I'm wearing mine right now.
Oh they look great. Then I'm wearing Pepsi moccasins in
honor of one of the great Texas tech coaches, Mike Leach.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
Didn't we mention Miley Cyrus.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Miley's time, She's top five, she is tough. She's at
fourth right there? Ten to one had a girl?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
Uh also fourth though at ten to one Oasis. There's
no f and way they would do that, or if
they just had to argue.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Everyone's saying they're getting along really well, tour's going great.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
Did they not have tour dates at that time?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
No, they're almost done and they're going to be Okay,
a few more shows left and they're done.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
If they wouldn't care about American football. The album to
promote and they're selling out giant stagiums.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't like this.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Sport to pay Chapel Roone.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Chaperone's at sixteen to one, kind of middle of the
boat there, she's too woke for the NFL. Bro Yeah,
I think so too. At the very bottom, I'll say
this list for our eagle listeners because this this band
has a good fan base.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Here tool really yeah, yeah, I could see an art
rock band playing the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
What if you need a nap at halftime thirty five
to one odds. Gracie Abrams will play oh at thirty
three to one. Four different artists here, Foreigner of All
Intrigue here, the Killers, which I you know, I would
love that, but Harry Styles, the Foo Fighters, and Benson Boone.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I could see Benson Boone happening because the ladies love
him and they.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Enough songs though you need like yeah song.

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Well that's why you need all the three of those together.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, but I combine them.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Yeah, he would have special guests and they could crank
because you think about it, they're like, all right, we
already got all the dudes. We probably need to get
something that makes the ladies really want to watch this too.
That's why Taylor Swift is perfect.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I could also see Costner's band going out there if
they want to get the ladies. I mean, Jean.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
She just stands there and looks at Costner a right,
number two on the list, du a lipa interesting still
means take two more songs. Now, they could pull Elton
John out there.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, Sabrina Carpenter third, He needs like two or three
more songs.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
She's a go away.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Phillie Eilish, Charlie XCX. It's Taylor, guys, It's Taylor this year.
It's gotta be Taylor.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
He would bring Sabrina Carpenter out too if she did it.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Here's why I would say it's not Taylor, because they
know that if Taylor Swift plays the Super Bowl and
the Chiefs are in it and lose, the backlash would
be horrific, right or if they or what if? What
if her fiance gets hurt in the first half she
can't concentrate on the show.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm not certain he's a twenty game player anymore.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Any All right, there you have at the Hollywood Shuffle
coming up in just over three minutes. What's going on
in Dallas? It's time for us and iHeart to think
a local teacher. Don't miss that Rangely, there's been a
lot of talk of Andy Griffith on our show the
last couple of days, so we'll take a look at
that in the wayback machine here in about all fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
But right now it's time for.

Speaker 9 (12:14):
This what's going on in Dallas, Mara, We've been doing
this iHeart Radio Think a teacher month and today's teacher

(12:40):
of the day that we are thinking it's from Keller
High School.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Her name is Valerie Lane, and Jeff skin Wade had
the privilege to have an intimate conversation with Valerie over
the phone. Would you like to hear that interview? Yes? Absolutely,
all right, Hello Hello Valerie, Yes, Hi, this is again
from the Ben and Skin Show. What are you doing
right now?

Speaker 7 (13:02):
I am lesson planning right now.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I was hoping you were going to say, I'm just
sitting here listening to ninety seven one the Eagle, but
I guess that's probably no.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
No, no, don't be sorry. But it's more important to
be truthful, Valerie. I'm hoping you realize that you have
been nominated as one of the great teachers here in
the metroplex that has helped out tons of kids. So
I'm looking right now at notes about you, and you've
been doing this a long time and been doing really
great work. Are you aware that you've been nominated?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
No?

Speaker 7 (13:30):
I haven't. I was not aware.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Well, congratulations. So here's what we're doing. We're out here.
iHeartRadio's thinking teachers like yourself. Someone's nominated you because they
think you're special. And you now have a chance for
your classroom to win five thousand dollars, which I imagine
would be a really nice thing for you.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
And the kids.

Speaker 7 (13:49):
Oh yeah, that would be lovely.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Let's hope that you win. Now, let me ask you.
Tell me a little bit about Keller High School. They
never let me walk around over there.

Speaker 7 (13:58):
Well, it's a fantastic six school. I couldn't be happier.
I feel very blessed to be at this school. And
I am a dyslexia teacher. Here I help students that
may need help with reading, writing, spelling, anything involved in
the language arts areas. So now I'm at the high
school level and it's just a fantastic role that I
get to play in our students' lives.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's a wonderful thing.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
I have someone in my family that struggled with dyslexia
and they got all the way through college and they
actually got their teaching certificate as well.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
So you're doing really really great work out there. Where
did you grow up.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
I actually grew up in Central Texas area, and then
my husband and I married and then we moved up
here at the full Worth area around that time period.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Do you feel like I'm being way too invasive right
now and asking too many personal questions?

Speaker 7 (14:47):
No, not at all. I'm fine with that. The kids
asked me all sorts of questions as well.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Okay, great, what is your husband's name and his phone number? No, no, no,
don't tell me that. Don't tell me that. That probably
is crossing the line. Well, Valerie, do you have any
questions for me?

Speaker 7 (15:03):
Well, I do appreciate y'all's radio station, Boy O Boy.
When I want to rock, I definitely listen to YELL station.
It's a lot of fun just to kind of let
out some energy or frustrations on my way home or
in the morning. So I enjoy the Eagle All a
great deal and so I don't have any specific questions
so at this time, and I don't know if I

(15:24):
should be asking any questions.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Now that's great.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I'm glad to know that you do like to let
out your frustrations while listening to the Eagle. You know
what I just found out recently. I just found out
the kids and I call them the kids because I'm
like in my fifties. But apparently there's this big resurgence
in Deaftones CDs and like the kids are buying Deaftone CDs.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You ever listen to the Deaftnes Yes?

Speaker 7 (15:45):
Yes, As a matter of fact, there are a lot
of kids here too that they are all They have
the shirts and they have all the items. Some of
them are listening to records and so it's kind of
neat to see that they are taking that nostalgic period
back and you know, listening to all these you know,
older groups and things like that. So it is nice.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
It doesn't really rock, so we don't play it. But
have you ever heard the song Valerie by Steve Winwood?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (16:10):
I love that song.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm sure you do.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
It's about you. I think I don't know all the
words except for the chorus. I just know he sings
your name real loudly.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (16:18):
As a matter of fact, as a little girl, I
remember that song coming out for the first time and
I thought, that's about me, And then I think recently
I heard also, I think in the Amy Winehouse.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yes, Valerie is produced by the great Mark Ronson Valerie.
I think we just became best friends. I will reach
out to your husband, even though you didn't give me
his number, and he and I will hang out.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
But it's been an honor talking to you. Thank you
for the amazing work you do there at Keller High
School helping these kids out, and hopefully you are the
big winner.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
I would love that. And if you are, then I'm
going to call you back.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
I appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
All Right, have a great day. Rock On Valerie by God,
bye bye.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
All right, fantastic, She listens to the eagle, which she
wants to let it all. That's fantastic. Hey, big thanks
to all of our teachers out there. We greatly appreciate you,
and good luck to all of the nominees. All right,
coming up next, we crank up the wayback machine. You're
not going to believe how this celebrity went out at
the very end.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
It's time to go into the scripule wayback machine. The
wayback machine tomorrow as well, but for today see yesterday.
On the show, Mattlock came up for some reason. We
weren't sure what Mattlock did.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Wellwyn was talking about his heroes that he fashions his
life off of, Yeah, fictional heroes.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
But we were trying to out was he or was
he Was he a lawyer? What was going on with
Matt Locke. We thought he was a detective lawyer corner.
Did he ever do a show with Angela Lansbury? Did
they cross pass or she's just the older male version
of her.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
I think they probably had like a special episode where
they ended up in the same episode talking about who
murdered it? Yeah, kind of like what they used to
do with Love Boat and Fantasy Island. Oh, two great shows.
We determined that he was a criminal defense lawyer. But
again it doesn't matter as Andy Griffith. Andy Griffith lived
from nineteen twenty six to twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I thought he was still with us. No, unfortunately not
but a good eighty six year run right there.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Not bad by the way, A guy that he's often
confused with Dick Van Dyke.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think is still with us. Dick Van Dyke's like
one hundred and fifteen. You're right, Yeah, DVD is doing good.
Didn't they have to get hospice in on him though,
which means no, that's Phil Collins. I was Phil contrad.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Dick Van Dyke is ninety nine years old.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Told you, Doug, and you know what, Bob Barker how
old he would be if he was still with us.
I think Bob made it to one hundred, didn't he?
Oh that's right, I think he did. I think he
crossed the path. Yeah, because remember Betty White was like
almost got there. Yeah, it was so close, and for
them to hook up late in line.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Oh, Bob almost made it to one hundred. Born December
twelfth and nineteen twenty three. Died August twenty six, twenty
twenty three, which was two days agree.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Days ago, two years ago, and we didn't celebrate. So
here's the situation with Andy Griffith. Though I don't know why,
but I saw and Andy Griffith headline in one of
the sites I was browsing. I was okay. We talked
about Mattlock yesterday what happened here? And it's a whole
story about a movie that Andy Griffith was in back

(19:21):
in the year two thousand and seven, five years before
he died, and it was his final role. Did you
guys know that his final role was in a raunchy
sex comedy called Play the Game? No, would you like
to hear some of the trailer of it? This is
like such a bet payoff to make someone have to
go watch this and live tweet it. Okay, here we go.

(19:44):
If you want to win the game, we women and Grandpa,
you first have to learn how to play the game.
I'm tool. Okay, you guys interested yet more? Sounds great.
So he's got his grandson and he's going to teach
him how to get with women. But his grandson is
one of the schemer types, as of, Oh if I
can get him to meet the grandma and I yeah,

(20:04):
I can hook up with the granddaughter. Yeah it's in
her twenties. Is this a famous person? Didn't appear to be.
I'm going to teach you every trick I've got.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And how are you this fine evening?

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Sooner or later you would get sick and I'll be
the one that has to decide whether or not to
take you off of life support.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Hey, Joe, you have to wait until she calls you.
Did you know that Joe is a wonderful kisser?

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Are you trying to seduce me?

Speaker 6 (20:36):
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (20:37):
It's alive?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
I don't have any protection production. What you have a
bird of a black market drug called flying. You're like
a wild stadion and you must have run free.

Speaker 5 (20:52):
I just got a new start on life with those
pillings on this work gets around the home.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
The babes are going to be babe for me.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Retirement home KILLO.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
My phone won't stop bringing. I've med three chicks already.
I kept going and going and going and going. It's
a live is so wrong? How did okay? That happens?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
This the movie where he has sex with that pie?
How old is he supposed to be in this? He
would have been if my mathodrone he wanted in real life.
His character's name is Grandpa Joe.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
That's creative. Other characters that you have heard Liz Sheridan's
in this movie. H Paul Campbell was your lead. Not
a notable guy. The Rotten Tomatoes scores are not not good.
That's surprising. Twenty nine percent right here on a rotten tea.
Was there any nudity in this? It was PG. Thirteen,

(21:51):
So I guess not. There's a chance.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
I don't want nudity in that, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I mean, it depends on the casting. It is not good.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I am curious about this. So I have a friend
of mine who's he's in his sixties and he's divorced, okay,
and it's it's this guy that he's a great shooter.
He plays basketball still, he can play half court basketball.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
He's great. He's in great shape.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
But he's in his sixties right, And one day between
games he was spending a little bit too much time
over like on the bench. It was his turn to
come in and play, and he was over there on
his phone and're like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
And we kept giving him grief.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
About it, and he said, man, these gals like to
see pictures of me sweating.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
And I was like what.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
And so, dude, he's you know we've always heard about,
you know, when you get up there in age and
what those scenes are, like those retirement community scenes.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's that old? What how old is he?

Speaker 8 (22:51):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Like, I'm just saying, it's a not far from where
my friend is to where this is.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I was worried. He was like, we're pretty close. Star six.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, he's like sixty three sixty four, and uh, you know,
it's kind of he comes out and plays.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You're like, man, this is a miracle. Look at this
guy still playing.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, but dude, he is not only playing basketball, He's
hooking up. And he was like, man, he goes, I'm
a hot commodity. He goes, These ladies treat me like
a piece of meat.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Man, I'm telling you, Trisha's dad hooking up in his eighties.
What do we do?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
I'm telling and like just openly talking about it. It's
sound like I'm It's not like I'm burning some family
secret here. He's right doing his thing out there in
the out in Florida.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yes, crazy, awesome man. All right, there you have it.
There's the way back machine. Are you excited? And featuring
veteran news anchor kt fun tweet. Yeah, Okay, let's talk
about it, guys. It's the golden age of the name Josh.

(23:55):
Did y'all know that?

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Shout out Josh Campbell of Oatmeal Pizza.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, big suck to Josh.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
I shout out Josh bab Man there that new Assume
is cranking out there in Frisco?

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Are you kidding me? Assume at the Star now as well?

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I was curious, like I wish, you know, there's some
things I wish you could get stats on that you
just can't. Yeah, like things in your life, like how
many times you've used a specific toilet.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
It would be interesting to know how many, it's really good.
How many times have you gone to town on yourself
in that one spot. How many Josh's you can just
count these do each of us have on their phone?
If you count.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Joshua and you want to do that, you want to
count the Josh's and we're including Joshua?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Was right?

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yes, yes, I all allow it context because in this
story it's about okay, Josh, let me guarantee you that
Ben's got the most for sure. I have twenty five. Wow,
I only have four seventeen.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
I don't have a lot of context either though, compared
to those guys, right, I don't want to talk to
people I'm going to read do, but I think I
have twenty three Ben, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Okay, how about this, Josh and Lewin? There we go, Okay, yeah, seventeen.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Twenty three By the way, guys, does anybody in here
do they have somebody in their phone with just the
name Josh Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, I do, I do. I don't know who it is.
I don't either.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I'm oh, I know it is. Is it the same guy?
Did we do a lot of remotes at his place?
Mine says Josh and then if you open it up,
it says prosper hoops.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, that's a different guy than me. So the share
of baby boys named Josh peaked and or Joshua peaked.
In nineteen eighty five, more than one out of every
one hundred babies was given the name Josh or Joshua.
Isn't that crazy? Say it again? How many? In nineteen
eighty five, more than one out of every one hundred
boy babies was given the name Josh or Joshua.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I'm assuming that's in America or North America for sure,
because I don't think over in India.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
There was a lot of Joshes, have good ri Chad's.
So it was so like nothing in the fifties, hardly
any in the sixties, then in the seventies slowly arose
until the Bears won it all in eighty five. I
love the eighty five Bears O, they were great, Ben
went down a little and then back up eighty eight,
eighty nine, and then it's been a slow scale all

(26:23):
the way down to where we are now just declining, declining, declining.
But for some reason, in the past two years, the
percentage of Josh's has trickled up.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I know why now in this article Boh yep, well no, no,
if does it say in the article? Uh no, okay,
because I'll posit my theory after you finished here.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
He's there now it's everyone.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
There's been a resurgence of appreciation for the work of
Josh Brolin.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
So wondering about that.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think, like, you know, what he's been able to do,
whether it's playing w or in uh no country for
old men so good. I just think that there's we're
holding him in a higher regard than ever before, and
we're naming our spawn after him.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
There's not a lot of famous Josh's, honestly, there's not.
You're right on that Josh Allen might be your most
famous Josh if you're a sports fan. If you're not
a sports fan, you really do end up at a
Josh Brolin Josh Grobin, which Joshua Jackson, Joshua Jackson. Duhamel
that even Deamel.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Joshua Jackson fell off after Dawson's creek went away. Del
DeBell is that the guy that was married to the
girl that beat herself all the time? Fergie, Yeah, maybe
what're you married?

Speaker 6 (27:39):
It's just one time? I think, No, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Doing it right now. So there was there was a
ton of Josh's back in the day.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
What they're talking about too in this article is there's
a bunch of politicians now named Josh as well, and
people love politician. There could be two or three guys
named Josh running for president in twenty twenty eight. Weird
and that wild. You will still have of elections. That's
a fair question. That's a fair question.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Ay, I will do it for us by then.

Speaker 8 (28:06):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Also in politics news, the former Major League Baseball player
Mark Teshera is running for Congress in Texas.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Is that right? What?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah? Is't that weird? Hey?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Do we have rules about like can we have a
politician on or do we have to have the other side?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I have both, you do? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Our buddy Cash to Roy has a friend who was
an astronaut that took a bunch of pictures from outer space,
and he's running for something somewhere in Houston, and I
was like, I'd be fun to have a guy on
that was an outer space.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
But I don't know if we're allowed to.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
The Star conversation that yesterday because barried, does it mean
the same thing?

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, you'd have to have the other party represented. Yeah, yeah,
it was offered up to us, but we had to decline. Okay.
I don't know the rules on that. So yeah, there
you go. Forty five year old Mark to Schera is
running for the seat that's currently held by Chip Roy,
who is one of Jerry's lawyers.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
A lot of chips. Yep, that's a big research. It's
a big research. Better ship, better story.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Cowboy all right?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Episode eight, the final one on this Cowboys documentary on Netflix,
And this one does end up being a lot about Jerry.
But I'm gonna start off with the clip This is
where Tony Romo and Dale Hanson, the legendary Channel eight reporter,
disagree on something.

Speaker 10 (29:33):
There are kids in college now who have grown up
never knowing how good the Cowboys used to be, and
the reason.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
They're not I blame one man, Jerry Jones.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
The main job of an owner is to hire good
people to do their job.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Who the hell's he hired?

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Howshi said?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Nobody wants but he wants to win.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
He brought in Bill Parcells. That's the right guy. Nineteen
yards field goal to check.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, you know what I remember most about that Seattle
playoff game. I was building a bike for my kid
for Christmas, And boy, what an ass?

Speaker 8 (30:19):
What that is?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
I was in the living room watching.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
That game build from building a bike and just a
double nutkick for it to end like that and still
have a bike to build, just brutal?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Didn't that cause Parcels to quit? That was the last
game he had enough? That was it.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
He never coached again after that moment. Nope, you know,
and and the other thing too. So there's there's that's
there's a lot going on there one. I mean, I
think Romo's being fair, But all the chatter was about
the fact he brought in Bill Parcells to restore confidence
to get the stadium built. Yep, there's a little There
was a lot of talk about that.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
That's what the next clip is actually, Oh is that right?
But real quick? Romo was holding because he was the
backup quarterback and at the time, no, he was the
starting quarterback. Well he had taken over for Buttsoe in
the middle of the year.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeah, he he just stayed on special teams, I think.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, he was the starting quarterback for the back part
and the playoffs and all that.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
You'd never have your starting quarterback holding no, like I
guess they just didn't.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
It was too late to get somebody else to do
it or something. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Was they it a good snap or not? Well, the
ball was covered in hair jail. Yeah, you say, got
what that ball? There was talk about because that game
was in Seattle, right, and there was talk about something happening.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
With the ball. Oh wow, Yeah, I just I don't
remember all that now. Okay, here's clip on the stadium.
Despite the fact that losing he needed to build the.

Speaker 11 (31:39):
New stadium in the midst of a global economic recession,
Jerry Jones is going all at yr. He's breaking ground
on what will become the most expensive sports venue in
American history.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
Tens of thousands of fans at the concerts at AT
and T Stadium.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
They got all kinds of stuff. Oh I'm not out there,
watch me at this draft. His voice in there.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
But I want to go back to what Romo and
Dale Hanson were saying, Like, Jerry fired Dale Hanson, So
Dale Hanson has an extra grind now the whole idea
to he only hires guys nobody wants. Jason Garrett was
highly coveted when the Cowboys hired him. He had an
incredible reputation. The knock on what they did with Jason

(32:24):
was they kept him way too long, and that was
where you get into the whole thing about Jerry's just
doing whatever's comfortable and having guys there that he you know,
can kind of Ramrod and all that. But Wade Phillips
had a great reputation when he was hired here. Bill
Parcells obviously was a legend, and Jason Garrett was a
highly coveted coach prospect when he was hired at the time.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
So I would disagree with what Dale saying.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
There's some truth to it though, because some of the
guys he's gotten are so spare. Yeah, the guy's before
us and what's the.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Gaily was a hot name.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Honestly, Shoddy is just a guy nobody else was trying
to hire him for an open head coaching position. Yeah,
he may work out great, but it's just some guy
who was there.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, you guys want to touch on some Jerry Jones controversies. Yeah,
we're gonna start with this photos and it shows Dallas
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones among a crowd of white students
trying to keep black students from integrating. Uh, that's six
five years ago. I had no idea. I want to
walk it up there. What we want to be doing?

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Jones said, quote if we are disrespecting the flag, then
we won't play period.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Just twenty seconds to cover some quick Jerry Jones controversies
and then they move on to good stuff like that
was very wild. Could spend more time on this documentary,
but it'd have to be at one hundred part documentary series.
I honestly, people can think whatever they want.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
I think that Jerry getting criticism for being part of
a crowd at a.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Historic event is unfair, right.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
I don't think there's ever been anything about Jerry Jones
that anyone could hang their hat on that he is
racist in any way whatsoever. And I would also like
to say that if you were a white person in
Arkansas during that time period, there's a ninety five percent
chance that you were racist to some degree. Now, whether
or not you were trying to stop people from going
to school or anti civil rights, there's different degrees to

(34:15):
all of this. But most people are a product of
their environment. And if you grew up, if you're a
white person growing up in the rural South, it's very
unlikely you had progressive views on race relations.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
When we come back, why won't Jerry ever hire a GM?
And then I have a combo platter of Steven and
Jerry funny sounds that you need to hear. That's next.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
We'll hope you have great Labor day plans, Labor day
weekend plans coming up tomorrow. No doubt we will get
into all the things he can be doing over the weekend.
But we are smack dab and what feels like the
end of a really long series we've been doing on
the Ben and Skin Show, going over all eight episodes
of America's Team, The Gambler and his Cowboys, and we
are talking about episode eight, which is the resolution episode,

(34:58):
very much dialed in on Jerry and his legacy.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Jerry, why won't you hire a general manager?

Speaker 8 (35:03):
I'm often asked the question, why don't I hire a
general manager.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I've had people that.

Speaker 5 (35:09):
Said, Jerry, you subject yourself to so much criticism, you
need a buffer.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't like it like that. I like the pain.
How many times has that been uttered in a sexual experience?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
You know what the problem with that? I know what
he's trying to say. I like the pain, and I
get what he's trying to say. But that's the classic.
You can't see the forest for the trees and you're
just looking at yourself. What you're not realizing is all
the pain you're inflicting on your fan base by having
it just your way, no matter what.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Well in the team too, not just the fan base,
all of it, your grandkids.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
We'll get to that a little bit. How about later, But.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
How about something we brought up earlier remembers talking about this,
how about the pain he inflicted on Troy Aateman exactly.

Speaker 6 (35:55):
You know, it's like, because you're selfish in your own.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
World, and he's like, no, this is about me. I'm
gonna I don't need a buffer this.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
But it's a billionaire and his toy. Yeah, it's very
much like, uh, you know, kt you love fantasy football.
I'm like, it'd probably be better if you had a
consultant run your team who was like, really good, one
of the best in the country.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Shot, but start at KT.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Not as much fun for you with your fantasy team
if some consultant is running it for you.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I've really fell off since I joined the Machines two
dynasty leagues. Man, I was mighty.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
I was willing to let Craig Tray run my SNL
fantasy tray.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, So this is Stephen and Jerry a practice in
twenty two three. They're talking to the president of the Rams.
It's kind of funny, and there's a noise that I
just couldn't get over, so one thought we'd pull it.

Speaker 12 (36:42):
Jerry said it best in the press conference.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
He goes, I'm tired of winning the season.

Speaker 12 (36:46):
Here is I want to win at the end of
the season in the playoff, the balls to put.

Speaker 8 (36:52):
It all out there the way y'all did on that quarterback,
I won't do that.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Let's call a fair I was like me when I
made that noise. Oh oh and ah, this sounds kind
of verb scaring.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
The fact that that was a horrible conversation, Oh terrible, terrible.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
I mean, that is the worst small talk all documentaries.
About him being all in and he's got the big
balls to do whatever he's like. I ain't got the
balls to sign an old quarterback like y'all did. Y'all
traded for Matthew Stafford. I'd never do that. Those noises
are great.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I love all the older footage of Stephen because his
mouth is open and everything.

Speaker 10 (37:44):
Good.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Uh, Steve is the guy, though, I come away from
this entire thing thinking better of Yeah. I think for
me it was Jerry Jr. He was goodness, he had
a good probably thirty five seconds of the eight parts. Yeah. Uh,
this is a game that I encourage you all to
go back and watch the twenty twenty three playoff loss
to the Packers, and I just this. I know they

(38:07):
thought that was the year. They thought that was the
year everything was gonna come together and it was all
gonna happen, and they were really good the year, and
that's that. This is a big part. Like the Jimmy
Ring of honor. Stuff absolutely happened for a reason. But
they thought this was gonna be the happy ending of
this Netflix series. So I think there's like ten percent
of what hurt Jerry about this game. Even more is

(38:29):
that we're not gonna get our happy ending, and we
got the cameras on me. So here's them getting their
ass kicked by the Packers.

Speaker 8 (38:36):
Tay one thing, this is for all the marbles.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
So it's like Green Bay and the opening drive this nice, and.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
The Green Bay Packers have a forty Burger nfigt in
the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
What a home Ah, what a disaster.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Claus hurt us, Oh, every way more.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Anyone we've ever had. This one's hurt us more than anyone.
We were there, so my green bag.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, the Cowboys had sucked for so long in the playoffs.
He thought the divisional round was for all the marbles.
He didn't realize there was a conference championship game anymore.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Dude. They that game is a clown show too. When
you watch it, it's so bad. Oh my god, did
that throw it? Dude? There's that touchdown though, where like
they're tied over of the Packers is wide open. It's
kind of a gimmicky play, but there was no one
within like forty yards of him, and I was like,
what embarrassing? Oh my god? Uh, did you guys want
to hear a weird Kevin Costner story? Yes, that was

(39:38):
a nass kicking. That was a ass kicking, and it.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
Hurts your mind, it hurts your self esteem. I can't
walk down these steps for up them without glancing over
at this picture and remembering our second Super Bowl. That morning,
I was going out to our walk through and James said, well,
I'll kind of rest up here. I said, well, love fine,
I said, I think Kevin Costner is going to be.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Out there watching to walk through.

Speaker 5 (40:08):
Well, she popped up like Graktla does after sleeping for
a hundred years, and went straight up said I think
I'm going to practice. That look Jeane had for Kevin
Costner is one I had never seen in my life
before or since.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Live's tough that clips started reflecting on the game that
they lost, and he turned it into that that's insanity.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think it's because of the tasteful piano playing Stephen
was doing downstairs. So he's got the picture in the
hallway or down the stairway of his wife looking at
Kevin Costner with love in her eyes, and when every
things get really bad, he just goes there and looks
at that while.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Holding a glass of whiskey.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
It was I thought, I remember when we were do
the Jerry Show, and they were like, hey, don't comment
on the ice.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
When you hear ice in his glass and you're interviewing,
you're not allowed to comment on that. Don't say anything.
We're like because we were like, Jerry, you're making a
drink over there at ten am.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
I'm just looking at a picture of Jean and Kevin Gostner.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
All right, where are you gonna take us next? Kateying Well,
Jean speaks and more on the bickering about the herschel
Walker trade. All right, that's next.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
We are breaking down episode eight, the final episode of
America's Team, The Gambler and his Cowboys, the Netflix docu series,
and with more on that. Here's Kat.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
All right, let's do it. Welcome, Oh please, Jean, the
wife of Jerry who is infatuated with Kevin Costner. Aren't
we all might be why Kevin Costner got the key
to the city of Irving. Yeah, everyone in Irving is Christina?

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Good for them?

Speaker 13 (41:46):
He's more of a lost coleenas guy. Here's Gene on this.
His grandchildren have never been to a Super Bowl. They've
been to so many games where the fans would do
you He's like, I want them to experience the positive
over all these years, we've had a bump or two

(42:07):
along the road.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You know, you just have a way of moving forward.

Speaker 13 (42:11):
But he just hasn't been able to because there was
something that he couldn't live.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
With, Jimmy, is what she's alluding to there.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
Why can't the kids just learn the lesson? Hey, it's
okay that everyone hates you. You're rich and it doesn't matter. Yeah,
you can buy your friends and hey, you know what,
I bet the Joneses can afford to buy Super Bowl
tickets and go to one, you know, as a family
and just watch it and enjoy it like you know,
other rich people.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, I mean, I guess. I mean that's a like
that's maybe not the most human way. Yeah, that's that's
that's the cynical response for sure.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
I'm just not feeling the empathy that the grandkids haven't
gotten to experience a trip to the Super Bowl because
dad mismanaged the team.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Dad's dad mismanaged the team for thirty years. You know
that Steve who told that some of them are Jerry
Junior or have all been like we know if he
would just but it's who he is, and we're here
because of him. So, you know, guys, roll billionaires. Everybody
shut up. So Jimmy goes to the Dolphins and doesn't
have a lot of success. There did a lot of

(43:13):
head and shoulders commercials, though. It's really it goes back
to who got credit for the herschel Walker trade. Now,
we saw each other once or twice, and when we
saw each.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
Other, we hugging and were laughing and cutting.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Everything was great. But as soon as we separated.

Speaker 12 (43:29):
Someone in order to make the comment, you know, jim
made to say, well, you know, I made that herschel
Walker trade, and I told Jerry that we were going to.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Trade herschel Walker. He was kind of astonished and he said, really,
you can't get rid of herschel Walker.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
Jerial here and say that's the problem.

Speaker 8 (43:46):
And there were some things that yussed me off about that.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
He started taking shots at me, then I started taking
shots at him.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
Just tiniest d energy ever.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
It really is.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Come on, guys, it's.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
So tragic that like what could have been the greatest
sports story is still one of the greatest sports stories
in our lifetime. Yeah, but it could have been like
the Patriots, It could have been like Tom Brady, could
have been so much better than it all collapsed over ego. Yeah,
and you know what else, man, It's like, who knows
what would have happened. They probably would have just won

(44:21):
three and maybe the magic of Jimmy Johnson would have
worn off, or maybe he did have all the magic
solutions and they would have kept drafting and they would
have kept going. It's like it's the great unknown. It
becomes an awesome discussion point. But unless I missed it,
y'all might have seen this. I didn't see anywhere in
this documentary, and it's clearly a huge thing for Jerry Jones.

(44:44):
I didn't see anywhere where Jimmy finally gave Jerry any
credit for the herschel Walker trade. No, No, like it
doesn't exist. No, it does, And it's such a hang up.
It's such a hang up. It makes me believe Jerry
does really think that he had something to do with.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I'm glad you said that because it's a little about
The next clip is about because I do think Jerry
actually kind of admits that it was Jimmy. I think,
will Jimmy Johnson ever be in the Ring of Honor
while you'll be honored? And if not, why not well,
I don't think that.

Speaker 8 (45:19):
Okay, I don't have plans for Jimmy to be in
the Ring of honor, me and Charlotte and Troy and
Jimmy Man. And I said, Jimmy, why do you keep
saying you made dershall Walker grade. That was a miracle
that happened to us, and then to have him overreached
to take credit for it. No, No, it's the wee part.

(45:41):
And so that's why I always push back that was it.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I think he's admitting that he had nothing to do
with it.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
He's saying he wanted it to be weed. He's always
have to weed. You knew that, and then you overreached.
So but again, you know, that's like what lens do
you want to look at something through? Because I do
believe that Jerry thinks I bought the team. I make
the final decision. I was involved in that, and you know,
earlier in the episode he claims tech Shram gave him

(46:09):
the idea. Yeah, right, So it's like it's just one
of those things that they never got over. I tell
you what, it's not the hardest thing to come up with.
You have one good player, yeah, and he's coveted around
the league. The fact that you trade him to rebuild.
It's not rocket science.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
No it's not.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
But I think also have been at that time period
the concept of rebuilding it was different, the draft was
it valued the way it is now.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
And also it's the same guy who was asking, could
you write down in order of the names of the.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Most important positions And there's only like three position grips.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Coming up next though, more proof that Jerry and Steven
are way different. What's the succession plan? And I really
thought they ended it really good. That's next on ninety
seven to one the Eagle Call.

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Speaker 1 (47:09):
But right now it's time for this A kill that.

Speaker 6 (47:17):
All right?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
That's in this thing episode eight of the Cowboys documentary
on Netflix. And this is Jerry expressing a little regret
on you know, not winning more.

Speaker 5 (47:27):
I look back, I should have hung my hat on
the fact that I knew that Jimmy Johnson wasn't perfect.
He knew that I was one of the most imperfect
people that he had ever been around.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
It wasn't just Jerry. We both screwed it up.

Speaker 14 (47:47):
I'm often asked, what would it have looked like at
Jimmy have stayed.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Maybe we wouldn't have won any more Super.

Speaker 14 (47:52):
Bowl Super But I do believe this that we would
have been in contention each and every year.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I really believe we went.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
The best.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Oh yeah, I would not have gotten busted for cocaine.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
If Jimmy had stayed, we probably would have whatever. He
so we'll probably still be winning them every year.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Who knows perfect it's ah, so the whole it's not true.
Hold on, Steven, I'm not trying to be cynical about it,
but I do wonder, you know, when they start going
in there and figuring out how to wrap this thing
up with that playoff game ending the way it is really.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Leaning in more on the Jimmy ring of honor thing.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
And if in the back of my head, you know,
Troy's gotten credit for that, and I'm sure he did,
you know, Foster a lot of that good will, But
in the back of Jerry's head, was he like.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Man, this is gonna be a great episode eight When
I get it mustn't be the penultimate right, the ring
of honor into winning the Super winning the Super Bowl,
they make amends, everything's great, and then Jerry does it
on his own, and.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
That's the ultimate story. The fracturing is. It's so it's
so hurtful even thinking back on it now. And it
was obviously the egos broke them apart. But there's one
thing about, Okay, if Jimmy had stayed, how much would
they have won? But there's also okay, if there wasn't
this rift and you could go get another real coach,

(49:20):
I mean, they went and got a circus clown on purpose.
He went and got the dumbest, most illogical coach replacement
that he could to prove a point that anyone could
win with that team, and.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
That also set them back massively.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
I mean obviously not initially because they still won with
Jimmy's team, but I mean I do wonder how many
they could have won if they had whether it was
Jimmy or just another real coach. Yeah, and also too,
like Jerry didn't have any NFL connections, Like he showed
up with his buddy that he knew, and then when
it was haiving to get another one. He turned to

(49:55):
the next guy he knew that also didn't have any
NFL connections. And that's how you suddenly end up with
all right, uh chan Galien Campo.

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Right, It's like if you've.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Been in the league and been around the league, then
you start knowing all these people and meeting all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
But he didn't have all that. Hey Stephen, do your
best impersonation of the Beatles.

Speaker 5 (50:15):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (50:19):
Another sign that Jerry and Steven are way different, though.

Speaker 12 (50:21):
Brought closure to something that really there was never, in
my mind as big a.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Rift as most people thought they were.

Speaker 8 (50:33):
First of all, you can't have a coach that's not
on the same page with you. I don't believe in
the technical X and O aspect.

Speaker 12 (50:43):
I used to believe more it was the charisma, and
then now I'm more convinced that it is the x'es
and o's and the technical.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, you're so frustrated. Who's the hot dogs and the
hot dogs? But it's the exact same conversation. I like
the bun, but that's not the ex and o's the
head coach. No, it needs to be that a little bit.
I mean, I get it, vibe and all that stuff.
I think the bottom line is that they do it.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
It all matters, guys, absolutely all Madden, it all matters.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I like that Steven's willing to tap in, like, let's
get an innovative offense going though. I think that's what
he's saying. I think so too. What is the succession plan?
You gotta watch Succession, my dude. You gotta get to
it tonight.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Come on, brother, Now that I'm down, brother, Okay, hold on, Holkster.
Now that I'm done with this Cowboys documentary and I've
started the Ed Sullivan documentary, did you guys start watching that?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I won't watch that.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
It's really pretty amazing, but but yeah, man, now I'm
gonna go back and watch Succession. You need to do
it before Jerry passes on. Hey, man, watch it.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
What's the succession plan? You guys? What's the succession plan
for the Dallas Cowboys? My answer is I want to
enjoy every moment that I want to enjoy every moment.
The rest will take care of it. So do I
really want a Super Bowl to happen with Dad soon?

(52:13):
Of course I do.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
But we'd say we'll get him next time, but we're
running out of we'll get him next time.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
They didn't even let Jerry Junior finish the sentence.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Charlotte, it was sad. It is it is an interesting question.
What are you guys going to do after your dad dies?
That's the question. Yeah, I mean, that's that's intense, one
of the one of the it's we can all kick
Jerry and the nuts on so many things, but the
fact that he wanted to work with his family is
pretty awesome. I mean, they are a tight knit family
and they all got jobs and careers out of it,

(52:49):
and they see each other all day every day, and
there is something really cool about that.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I know.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
That's huge family values for them, just being tight knit.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I never questioned his like family man values until like
three years ago, because I still think he could have
gone and had lunch by SMU with the Gate agent's daughter,
which is his daughter. I still think he could have gone. No,
they eventually they've made up. I know, I think I
during the time, I think they could have gone to

(53:18):
Jimmy Johns and had a sandwich together and SUPs to
Jimmy Johnson's name. I understand that.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
But I don't know, dude, I don't I don't know
that much about all that, And dude, I'm not going
to sit here and say that a guy who has
had plenty of alleged indiscretions or fun is the greatest
family guy ever. But I'm what I'm specifically talking about
is like a father and his kids.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
That part is really cool to me.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I thought dion ate this last quote. I thought dion
ate this.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, I want to do
a documentary on Dion's decision to wear a cowboy hat.
In this documentary, he's because I think it's absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Colorado Buffalo guy. Now, by the way, did you just
see the news on Ralphie No Strange of Buffalo's mascot. No,
he has the story is well she Ralphie's as she
weirdly too. The Buffalo has decided they're they're they're gonna
cancel it this year because of its indifference to running.

(54:20):
That's how I was putting the news story. Ralph He's like,
old man, I ain'tna run anymore. Run over? No, I
never see Bebo running? Why do I gotta run? Sorry?
This is my second to last clip. Though I didn't
think dion ate this.

Speaker 10 (54:34):
They're not chasing the Philadelphia Eagles or whoever is the
best team in the East. They're chasing their formal Countboy,
that's who they're chasing. And that's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
That that was really good, beautiful thing. By the way,
it's a painful thing.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
It was good.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
And then there was a great montage and then they
came back and did more.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I mean, it would have been good to end it right.
That was so strange to me.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
I thought I was watching the end of it was like, well,
let's do what else they have to say?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
That was what That was a perfect ending. Yes, And
it's true, it's really all of this is in a
time warp. It's like a thirty thirty five year time warp.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I would also say about that, I think it would
be a little different if an nfca's team had won
the division twice in a row, and that hasn't happened
since two thousand and four, so we're onto that again,
like it's been a different team, Like if it was
a team that was just stacking up five, six, seven
years in old win the NFC. So you really might
be chasing the Eagles. You're kind of not, because you've

(55:41):
all gotten to win the Division and then go on
and whatever you do in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Okay, but the Eagles have won two super Bowls in
the last what six years.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
I think that's where the page could be turning a
little bit until this documentary was released and everyone thought
about the nineties again.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
So what did they come back with after the Dion thing?
Why didn't they ended on that?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I can't remember, Jerry, It was just Steven in his laundry. Jared,
what was this process like for you? This is that
we end the thing?

Speaker 8 (56:04):
I don't know what has proven as a matter of fact,
when I started trying to add up to plusses and
the takeaways and what have you, maybe all it's exposed
as a flog Jurney.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, he drops an F bomb. That's what's last. Yeah,
what do he say? It was a f and ride
like that ending too.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
That was I just remember him dropping an F bomb.
I enjoyed that very much. And then he cracks open
another bottle of whiskey and starts walking around some stairs
looking at pictures. You know what, an amazing journey though?

Speaker 1 (56:47):
It was very good. It was good. I love the
true crime element of episode seven, The cocaine Cowboy. I
love thee My favorite part of all this is just
the old footage of the old newscast, local newscast, the
old commercials from back the day, and a lot of
like the fan reactions on the street. I love all
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
I thought it was one of the best documentaries I've
ever seen. And it's been rare to have a documentary
made about something you were so close to or that
meant so much to you, or that you lived so
long ago, and the fact that it still resonates because
the same dysfunction is so prevalent.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yea, how's it doing on Rotten Tomatoes?

Speaker 4 (57:25):
I mean it's ranks like number is it number seven
on Netflix right now?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Is that right?

Speaker 6 (57:30):
Top ten?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Still there?

Speaker 6 (57:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Man that they don't have a rating for it on
Rotten Tomatoes yet. They should get to that soon. That'd
be good they did that.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
I'm still so interested in the geometry of Jimmy Johnson's
hair is weird.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
It is really amazing.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
And then some of the you know, like, you know,
if I had that hair, I'd probably go really short
on the sides, you know, to try to mitigate the wall.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Yeah, but he does. He's good. It's almost like he's
never seen a profile of himself, and he's like, no,
this is exactly the way it's supposed to look.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
And he's been committed to it for decades and I'm like,
that's I love it.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
It's a hair helmet. It is, it absolutely is.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Well, I'll never forget the time that Kat looked Jimmy
Johnson's hairdresser dead in his eye and he said.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
You can get over anything if you try hard enough.
And that was the theme of the documentary.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Christina, you gonna stick around, play music till ten o'clock.
Skin Hell yeah, don't go nowhere. Christina's got tunes. Next
on the Eagle.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Here you going, Well, I'm gonna get my sock back.
Dude that I had to take a poop,