Full Show: October 13, 2025

Here's Monday's show, featuring a long look at the Cowboys painful loss to the Panthers, a wild hit piece is out on Kevin Costner and the many bridges he has burned in the acting world, and Skin's got a narrow foot, which makes for a troubling time when buying shoes. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've told you guys this one right midnight, I'm gonna
enjoy it. I'mna have a couple of shoties tonight. Uh
and uh at midnight, I'm gonna go to bed and
wake up, and we're on to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
With After with Ill show. You're gone bruin in, except
we're similar to be pursuing it. Told out Shaw shaking
through the sewer.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Dude, Now what.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Chilling that day?

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Eagle?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
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Speaker 6 (00:40):
I won't hang out with her friends rocking on her lady,
My boy.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Skinning talking on her lady.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
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Speaker 2 (00:57):
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Speaker 4 (00:59):
Kay to Christine All Yeah that's right, Kat, Christina, Ben
and skin all hands on deck today. Thanks for joining
us on a Monday. We got a great show planned
for you. I know I was in the pre show meeting.
I heard all of it. Sounds really good. I do
want to just say it's a sad day in Dallas

(01:21):
Fort worth, and I don't know that it requires the
sad music. I'll let you make that decision, Christina, because
it just is what it is. The Cowboys lost to
the Panthers with sharp teeth and claws thirty twenty seven,
a humiliating loss, a team that they absolutely should be
able to beat if they're gonna do anything this year.

(01:43):
We still don't know if they're gonna be able to
do anything this year. They have the worst off defense
in the NFL and it's not even close. And man,
they Rico Dabble had over one hundred eighty yards rushing
at a receiving touchdown they just got. I mean, that
is an embarrassing loss. It is embarrassing.

Speaker 8 (02:04):
But honestly, you know, you go into the season and
you think certain teams are certain things. Honestly, the Cowboys
and the Panthers are pretty evenly matched, right, I mean
the Panthers with the Cowboys, we know what their offense is,
we know what they're defenses. Panthers are five hundred. Now
the Cowboys are, aren't they three and three?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Panthers? Yeah, sounds about right. So Cowboys are what two
three and one? Weirdly, they're two three and one, two.

Speaker 8 (02:30):
Three and one, and they lost the road game to
a team that's about like them on a last second
field goal. If you're not great in the NFL, and
you're not terrible, that's what you are. We watched two
teams that are just kind of they're just NFL teams, man,
because they don't have a complete squad.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
It's amazing that the Cowboys are so off balance. Literally
have the best offense in the league and the worst
defense in the league. If they just if they just
had like the tour best defense, they would be a
serious contender, because their offense is that good. It's just

(03:07):
it's just so pathetic. They've missed on so many draft
picks on the defensive side. They've had three coordinators in
three years, right, They've that can't be good, and they've
end up on Eberflus because they're familiar with him. I mean,
I know that's worked out well with Shoddy, I'm happy
with Shoddy, but god, it.

Speaker 9 (03:24):
Hadn't worked out with eber flu Four o'clock, I'm gonna
tell you how we got to Iberflus.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Guys.

Speaker 9 (03:29):
There's some a very important timeline of a week in
January that we'll explain a lot over arching thoughts for
me on this game. Real quick, I think the Cowboys
might want to reconsider running the Bonnie Blue defense where
all of their holes are penetrated.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
That's incredible. I mean it is.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I don't know Bonnie Blue.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Okay, a couple of liars in the room.

Speaker 6 (03:51):
I actually don't know. He's lying.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, what do you think? What do you think the references?

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Well, from what I'm gathering, good clues.

Speaker 10 (04:00):
Okay, go ahead, skin Is she the sideline reporter from ESPN?

Speaker 4 (04:05):
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, she's never on the sideline. There's always a line.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Though there's a line. There's probably some water so people
can hydrate. Oh no, cramps.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (04:16):
And there's a real legitimate guess Christina, we've done this story.

Speaker 6 (04:20):
Uh huh, come on what Bonnie Blue?

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (04:23):
Oh so I should legit know.

Speaker 9 (04:25):
Well, there's variations of the Bonnie Blue defense. There's the
Lily Phillips defense as well.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
You should know.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
I think.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
World pop culture followers.

Speaker 9 (04:33):
Here's there's fifty four demographic. Let's go, there's pop culture
and then there's porn culture.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
So don't oh this crossed over?

Speaker 11 (04:43):
So she's an only fans, yes, okay, and she was
the one who had a certain number, and they trying
to set records, and there was another one and they
were like trying to one up each other and.

Speaker 9 (04:55):
They ended up on Twitter a lot too. Is that
like five hundred or one thousand somehow? And they which
the math doesn't clearly add up.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
She's like, there was one thousand and forty three, there
was forty three waiting.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
I didn't think it was right to just not let
them come hot take a ride.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Hey man, I think it was like a dipstick situation.
Hey no, I think it was. No, I think it
was a full collection. Oh, the collecting situation. Yeah, that's
cowboys talk. Yeah, that's our linebackers.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, all right, that's it's great. Coming up next?

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Wait are we we should be good? Well?

Speaker 11 (05:32):
I do want to say something to put this in
perspective for you guys.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Do you guys know who they played last weekend?

Speaker 11 (05:38):
The Panthers and lost or won and they won by
three points, just like the Cowboys. So just to put
it in perspective, Dallas Cowboys fans, we're on the Miami
Dolphins level.

Speaker 9 (05:49):
Can I just say one stat maybe we gotta go? Sorry,
you're good, Let me quickly say one stat Rico Daddle's
a sixth player over the last decade to have two
than thirty yard games like total. The only other players
to do that are Dereck Henry, Christian McCaffery, sik One Barkley,
and Julio Jones.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Oh yeah, Jamar Chase two.

Speaker 9 (06:09):
Okay, he did it in back to back weeks because
he got to play the Dolphins and the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
It's a gift. I mean, the Cowboys are a charity.
Did you see that?

Speaker 8 (06:17):
He's the first undrafted guy to have back to back
weeks like that since nineteen seventy It hadn't happened in
fifty something years.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Good God, the Cowboys are so bad on defense, so
to believe they were like three weeks ago, I thought
that they had improved on their run defense, and in
the last two weeks have been brilliantly well. Watch even
Kitty Clark. I saw him getting blown out yesterday. He
didn't have a good game. Mazzie Smith inactive a first
round pick bust. This scheme just doesn't work. Do they

(06:49):
not have enough talent? No?

Speaker 12 (06:51):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Is it a bad scheme? Is it a coach trying
to force a scheme when he doesn't have the talent
to pull it off. I mean, you certainly seem to
hear a lot of barking from certain players in that
secondary wanting to play more man on man than zone,
and Hebraflus is all about the zone. It's just not
none of this is a good fit. And you know,
they may have the worst linebacking crew in the league,

(07:13):
according to Kavol. Capitol's talking about that. It may be
the worst linebackers in all the NFL. Overshown can't save this.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
I think they're the best at punching the ball out though.
All Right, we're off and running talking Cowboys. Let's keep
the Cowboys conversation going. Next, where do we want to go?
I have something I want to go to next on
the Cowboys, and it has to do with the way
that maybe they can win a game.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
And we'll do that next.

Speaker 8 (07:37):
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we've got tickets to giveaway today for see There and Daughtry.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
They're coming in November.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
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for the clue. We'll fire it off and then you'll
have a chance to win those tickets. We'll be giving
them away all week long of Cowboys to do all
throughout the show today. But I want to get y'all's
opinion on the moment in the fourth quarter. You guys

(08:08):
probably remember it very tense time going back and forth
and the Cowboys force their very first three and out
in the fourth quarter. All Right, I have it at
that moment, did you guys not feel like they were
going to win?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
No, I just I was embarrassed for them, and just
it's hard to It's hard to find optimism in such
a storm. You know. It's like it's like I'm watching
them realizing they have no chance to do anything significant
this year, Like they won't be a playoff team, They're
just going to be middle of the pack again.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
And I'm just so depressed by all that.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
I'm not getting optimistic with the first three and now
of the entire day in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 9 (08:54):
I would also like to challenge that the Cowboys got
to stop there on that throw. Well, the Panthers multiple
penalties put them back find and they couldn't get out
of it.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
So it's like not even no, no, yeah, I fully
get the stop. I'm not trying to give the Cowboys
credit here. I'm just saying it was the first three
and out of the game and the way the Cowboys
offense had been playing, And we saw it at the
end of the first half when we saw Shoddy the
way he was using timeouts with under thirty seconds to go.
When you have Aubrey, just get command of the thing

(09:25):
and be it midfield and you can win a game. Right.

Speaker 8 (09:28):
So you're sitting there thinking, at least I was thinking,
oh wow, okay that they got to stop there. When
you're watching the game going, you got to score every
time because you're never going to get a stop.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
They actually got the stop. Man those next two plays
they ran off of what what what happened? What is
that on?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Please?

Speaker 8 (09:48):
Is that on Dak that he's not seeing the field
like you got it about midfield?

Speaker 9 (09:54):
They're in the forty six, there's eight minutes left and
they're on their own forty six, on.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Their own forty six for the guy that could probably
kick it from there, and they proceeded to lose what
twelve yards over the next two plays.

Speaker 9 (10:04):
They were very slow developing players too. We got a
lot of backup on a backup offensive lineman. But I
mean it's so hard to talk. Well, pinpoint this. You're right,
like that's the run you're probably gonna win.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yes, but in no, wait, nothing could happened by them
on offense in the game at any point leading up
to that that was even remotely like that.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
Okay, let's stay on this, but let's go the drive
before too. They were about to score and Dak fumble
the snap on first down and battle feels crazy to
spend any time gripping about the offense.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
But right, that's what happened. Yes, that's what happens. I
saw it all over social media. I saw people blaming
this loss on Dak. Oh, it's horrible shot. He does
not deserve any of this, No, dude shot. He got
the ultimate handcuff, mica noise. Then we're gonna get rid
of him. We're gonna run bad vibes, good vibes, camp.

Speaker 9 (10:56):
Then we're gonna get rid of him, and then we're
gonna give you Huberflus Like it's like a triple whammy.
Just punched in the balls three times. But you get
to be the coach of the Cowboys. Here's a couple
of nutshots, but you're the coach of the Cowboys.

Speaker 8 (11:07):
They're in they're in this position, and really they've they've
turned it around the last I don't know, three or
four games where they're actually winning the turnover battle. They're
not turning the ball over, and that keeps them in
games because they pretty much have to score every single
time to just stay with any team, because they're going
to give up four hundred yards. They're likely going to

(11:28):
give up more touchdowns than they are field goals. So
all the pressure is on Dak to deliver every single drive,
and for the most party does it. But man, if
that's not indicative of what the Cowboys are. They were
in the driver's seat, they got.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
The stop, they're good, and they ran back to back
screams or whatever. They just you know, they digs and
Bland don't look worth the money they're getting paid. And
I don't you know, it's one of those things where
it's like, should you build a system around the players
you have or try to force the players that you've

(12:06):
overpaid into fitting into a different system.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
If firing Iberflus makes any sense, I mean, I would
love to get him out of the building. But it's
not like they have a linebackers coach who's like going
to be a huge defensive coordinator, you know, candidate this offseason.
They don't have a candidate, a defensive coordinator in waiting
necessarily on the staff. I think their special teams coach
at one point was a defensive coordinator, maybe in San

(12:32):
Francisco for a year or something, But I don't, you know,
I don't know at this point. I mean, they Jerry
screwed up the entire offseason with all the Mica drama,
and then they start, you know, right before the season starts.
They lose the whole key to their defense, their best player,
and they've just been scrambling ever since. But man, something
is horribly wrong. Either all these players suck or this

(12:54):
scheme is terrible, or maybe it's all of the above.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I think it's a.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Little bit of both.

Speaker 8 (13:00):
Can't just blame this on eber Flues because you guys
feel good about rolling that team out in man, like
I am. They They could cut digs today and I
wouldn't care. I'm so tired of watching him chase guys
half assed. I think he sucks, and I realize he
was incredible as a rookie, and sometimes football is a
mean bitch. You start racking up injuries and you're never

(13:21):
the same. And I know he's had back to back
big injury seasons. Dude, Digs looks like.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
He is done.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
I don't know what scheme you put him in that's
going to be effective because he's just kind of chasing
guys around with his shoulders.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
I mean what, I don't disagree at all with you there.

Speaker 9 (13:38):
I also think they could have done more to build
up confidence in the young man instead of running him
over from the from the outset, they're getting exactly what
they asked for.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
A crappy defense.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
You traded Micah, You ran over your highest paid corner, Like,
this is what you asked for?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
He right, what's the money in that game tonight?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Well we had two tonight.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
We had two for We got Bill's Falcons, Big Matt
Brad kicker for the Bills, and then we got Washington
and the de Bears.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Washington next week's opponent. All right, very nice coming up next, Skin,
We're gonna take us in things. Skin is tracking is
what we watched last night really considered a brawl.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
We'll get into that next.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
All right, we are out and about on the road
Thursday and Friday, we'll be doing live remotes. Friday will
be at the Pluckers city View location. Thursday, we're gonna
be at the original Roy Hutchins Barbecue to give away
free Texas Twinkies for a year to three lucky winners
in celebration of National Texas Twinkie Day on October sixteenth,
So that's in Trophy Club at we'll be there on Thursday.

(14:37):
Come watch our show three to six at Roy Hutchins Barbecue,
the original Roy Hutchins Barbecue, and then Friday Pluckers in
city View. But right now it's time for this.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Book track, another edition of things Skin is tracking.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
All Right, I'm gonna do this, choose your own adventure style.
I've got two topics here I'm interested in. I'm gonna
let you guys pick A or B and then there's
three of you, so we'll whichever one wins will go.

Speaker 11 (15:07):
Ben.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Do you pick topic A or Topic B? Oh, we
don't get to know what they are. Nope, on.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Take topic A. I'll take Topic B.

Speaker 8 (15:16):
Christina let's go a Okay, have you guys ever wondered
how in the hell.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Companies?

Speaker 8 (15:24):
I mean, Amazon's one, but there's a bunch of them
that ship you clothes and or shoes where you just
turn around and ship it right back if you don't
want it. How the hell are they making money on this?
Because you think they can't turn around and sell it
as new.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
I guess they can.

Speaker 8 (15:41):
Yeah, I'm just I'm wondering about all those shipping expenses.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
Oh, okay, because it's free for the customer. Yeah, I've
got I'll give you an example. So I saw some
shoes on Instagram.

Speaker 8 (15:53):
I liked them. I was like, all right, I'm gonna
need these for the basketball season. So I ordered them.
They I've got narrow feet. They came in at the.

Speaker 9 (16:02):
Size I wear shoes at and they were so narrow
I felt like my toes were breaking.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Were they from China?

Speaker 9 (16:08):
No, man, you don't have trench foot.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
That's good. What is trench foot? World War One soldiers
they had trench foot and they were in the trenches.
Keep it going, God, man, I'm physically and mentally drained.
That's how I felt when you said you had narrow feet.

Speaker 8 (16:31):
Okay, So they ship them and I got I ended
up getting three pairs of these shoes. So they all
came in too small if you ordered three of them
before trying them on, and so three came to you.
Three came in, and I was like, so me and
my wife were looking at that. She goes, I go, well,
maybe if I get them a half size bigger, then

(16:52):
it'll you know, when they start curving in, I'll miss that,
so it'll it'll work out. So let's try that. We
shipped three shoes back, get three back, one half size bigger.
And then right after she had ordered it, she goes, oh, wait,
I looked on here and they have some shoes that
are wider, and she goes, I'll try to call them
and see if I can stop it.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
She wasn't able to stop it. They sent all three shoes.
I got them yesterday.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
I tried them on, still too narrow around the edge
of my foot on the top part where the toes are.
So I'm sending all three back and I'm going to
get three more that are the original size with a
new width. So these are this is being shipped to
me now three times, right. It's a beating, but I'm
looking at this going, man, this seems like a lot

(17:39):
of shipping expenses to and back.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah. You know, we've struggled buying stuff online because you
never know where it's going to come from, and sometimes
it does come from China, and you know, sometimes it
doesn't look or feel like you think it would feel.
I remember there was like a leather jacket I ordered.
I was like, this looked really cool. It was like

(18:02):
so cheap. I was like, wow, this is a great deal.
It was kind of like the Halloween mask I ordered.
It looked like a replica of an old man's face
and you put it on, You're like, wow, that's like
a Hollywood movie set. And it came and it was
just the worst cheapest looking mask. Carl, Yeah, Cal. And
so I got the this leather jacket and it arrived
and it was essentially just like somebody cut a square

(18:24):
out of some vinyl and just put sleeves on it.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
It was like the worst thing I'd ever seen.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
And so I was like, go to my wife, Cat,
send this back, send this back, and she's already send
me the email. She starts dealing with them and they're like, hey,
if you would just keep the jacket. We'll give you
half your money back, and she's like, no, we don't
want the jacket.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
We're good. Just send us all of our money back.
And they're like, okay, you can.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
You can have the jacket, and you know, just please
don't try to send it back like they do anything
they could to have us not send it back to them.
And ultimately they just gave us our money back and
we kept the.

Speaker 8 (18:56):
Jacket and they are up charging you so much for
the good goods. Yeah, and that that's like where it's
at now. These shoes, I mean, I love them. They're badass,
they're high quality. They just didn't fit my feet right.
Could you get them at a shoe store around here?
Because shoe delivery is something I don't mess with the
sound also, don't do haircut deliveries. Those are like what
shoes haircuts? These are things you have to do in person.

(19:20):
I don't understand a haircut delivery, like they send you
the stuff to cut your own hair.

Speaker 9 (19:24):
I'm just no, I'm saying, like, you gotta go and
see if the shoes fit at the shoe store. Getting
shoes delivered is always a risky thing you have. But
the haircut thing Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying you wouldn't do that.
You wouldn't go, oh, I'm gonna get a haircut. Ship
to me, those are it's just the same old school thing.
You gotta go do. You gotta go get that in person?

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Are you talking about Devereux wigs.

Speaker 9 (19:43):
I'm saying that the shoes and the haircut are still
things that you still need to do.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
You still need to go into the store and get that.
Do you agree with us, Christina?

Speaker 11 (19:52):
I do agree because clothes in general, if I bought
a few things off Instagram and they're just crap quality
by the time they get to you, and you don't
know the exact size. Every company's different, right, Like you
clothes and shoes, you have to like try on see
the material in person before you actually buy.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
It, unless you know the brand already. Yes, absolutely, Like
I get order Nike stuff online all day long, right
because I know exactly how it comes.

Speaker 8 (20:16):
Man, I'm fascinated by that. I'll get my third shipment
on the same order tomorrow. I'll let you guys know
how it works out. But someone's picking up the tab
on all this shipping and it ain't me, all right,
it is National Breast cancer Awareness a month and our
friends at Pluckers are doing something really cool coming up
just over three minutes.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Will tell you what they're doing it. We'll be joined
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point one the Eagle. Don't forget.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
Sometime in the next couple hours, we'll be giving away
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people at Pluckers, and so we are very excited to

(21:01):
have a special guest joining us from Austin, Texas right now.
She is the homie. It is Pluckers Kristin. How are
we doing today?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Kristin?

Speaker 7 (21:09):
Damn good? How are you guys?

Speaker 8 (21:11):
We are doing fantastic And you guys have something really
special going on on Wednesday, And but was like, have
you guys seen this? We need to get Kristin on
and talk about this. So here you are, so why
don't you tell us what's cooking.

Speaker 13 (21:24):
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Cancer Awareness Month, and so you know, we decided to.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
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Speaker 13 (21:38):
Know, help raise awareness as well. And so on Wednesday,
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Speaker 7 (21:52):
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Speaker 13 (21:55):
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Speaker 7 (22:00):
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Speaker 13 (22:02):
And on top of that, we're giving all the proceeds
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Resource Center.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
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as much as we can. And you know.

Speaker 13 (22:18):
Our our Pluckers club members are able to donate their
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Speaker 4 (22:34):
Yeah, that's incredible. We're doing the Rollertown Open tomorrow, which
is uh, you know for the National Breast Cancer Foundation,
and and you know obviously this has impacted so many
different women in our community. It's it's a massively important
cause to us, and it's really cool to see you
guys step up like this and your goal is to

(22:55):
have Pluckers customers help you. Guys donate over one hundred
thousand and support of breast cancer awareness, which is just spectacular.
So if somebody's just hearing this, they're like, oh, okay,
well how can I help? I want to help fight
breast cancer. So they just they come in on Wednesday
and they make sure to order a strawberry lemonade. Is
that the best advice?

Speaker 13 (23:16):
That is the best advice, So come in order strawberry
lemonade or or five. And yeah, like I said, all
the proceeds are going to to the Breast Cancer Resource Center.
And then also just like spreading the word. And you know,
if you know a survivor, tell them to come in.
We want to we want to honor them and and
you know, let them know that we appreciate their fight

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and want to fight with them.

Speaker 8 (23:39):
It's it's so intense that there are so many people
that are impacted by this. I mean, it's I feel
like everybody knows at least one person that has gone
through this or is connected to a family member that's
gone through this.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Is that the case with you guys? How did y'all
get involved in this?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Kristin?

Speaker 7 (23:55):
Yeah, I mean, you know, we do, we do.

Speaker 13 (23:58):
We have a we have one of our manager is
actually in the Austin area is a survivor. She won
her fight I guess maybe a year or two ago.
And if you want to know more about her story, Amanda,
it's on our social media, on our website and stuff
like that, so you can you can kind of hear
about her story. My college roommate actually, who's one of

(24:20):
my best friends, is in her fight right now, and
so it's kind of near and dear to my heart
right now. You know, she she's fighting and she's going
to win. And you know, I think, like you said,
everybody knows somebody, everybody's connected to it in some way,
and so, you know, at Pluckers, we're always trying to
think of We're always trying to meet our guests where
they are, and we care about.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
What they care about. And this was such an easy
thing to jump in on.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Yeah, it's really impressive to see what you guys are
doing and what a big heart. You guys have a
lot of people may not know this, but you guys
are They should know it.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Are are born. We're born right here in Texas.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
First location in Austin, second location Lovers in Greenville, right
here in Dallas. And now you guys have expanded so
much because the food is so incredible and it's always
a great place to watch sports and what have you.
We always enjoy doing live remotes from your locations in uh,
let's see, this Friday, we're going to be at the
city View location, so we'll be in the eight one seven.

(25:18):
Then on Halloween we're going to be at the Dallas location,
which we got to do something costume me for that.
We got to do something fun there. And then I've
been dying to go to the On my birthday November fourteenth,
we're going to be at the newest location, I believe
in Mesquite. That's the newest one, right it is.

Speaker 13 (25:33):
Yeah, Well, and you mentioned Halloween, just so you know,
we're doing dollar Wings that day all day Halloween.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
So yeah, we've got we've got that coming up. We do.

Speaker 13 (25:45):
We've also got on November eleventh, which is Veterans Day.
Every year we do a free meal for veterans and
active duty military.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
So a lot of things coming up over the next month.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
If I promise to go as a Holy mac and
Cheese for Halloween, will Pluckers Dave by my costume?

Speaker 7 (26:02):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Totally interesting. You didn't even have to check with him. Yes,
we're in no, all right, we would do it.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
All right, I'll see if I can't make that happen. Kristin,
thank you for joining us. We want to remind everybody
Wednesday is the day if you go to any of
the Pluckers really anywhere in Texas. Uh, but you know
we're broadcast near to the DFW and they have several
locations here in the dub Uh. If you know someone
who is currently fighting or has won their battle with
breast cancer, they're gonna get a free meal if you

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go into Pluckers, and then all the proceeds from the
strawberry lemonade, strawberry leminade, strawberry lemonade is going to go
to help the fight. So thank you so much, Kristin.
We appreciate it. We'll see on down the road.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
Sounds great good look tomorrow at your event.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
Thank you, Thank you so much.

Speaker 8 (26:48):
There she goes Kristin from Pluckers the Homie. We love
her and they have something really cool going on Wednesday,
so make sure to go to Pluckers on Wednesday. Heck,
go tonight, what a great place to watch the game.
And then Friday we'll be at the City View location
and hope to see you there. All right, coming up next,
let's jump back into the Dallas Cowboys loss.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
We'll go around the sports.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
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Speaker 3 (27:41):
But right now it's time for this.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Nowns around the sports KTD twins as all the sports. Yes, okay.

Speaker 9 (27:55):
I would say that the number one name, uh that
has drawn ire from Cowboys is Matt Eberflos, the defensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
He's the one guy.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
And I think that's just human nature a little bit
that you immediately put things on the coach very quickly.
I don't know what's fair and what's not fair. I
don't know what's going on. I think you'll find out
that over the next couple months. Will players start quitting
on him things like that.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Do you think that it's part of his game plan
to not contain any of the edges. I don't think
that's a part of the plan capable. I was just curious.
I think guys just run on the outside. No one's there.
I think there already is some quit I mean, I
think all that back and forth with Trayvon Diggs and
asking to play man and all that, I think that's
that's a huge red flag.

Speaker 9 (28:37):
Yeah, and I think some of those guys, the younger guys,
I would say too, a little bit like what we
traded Micah week before the season so what will we do?

Speaker 4 (28:46):
I thought we were trying to win here, Like it's
it is really easy.

Speaker 9 (28:48):
To get U huh right, And you might be having
questions with the scheme and things like that when Mike's
not practicing, Like that's a big deal.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
It's a big it's a big deal. You're right, and
it's it'd be a lot like for the offense if
they traded Dak in the week before the season started. Yeah,
the defense is sitting here going, this is our best player.
It's not even close. He might be the best player
at all of football, and you just traded him at
the last minute. Clearly didn't get the most value you
could for him. Wait a minute, you screwed our whole season.
Do you guys think? Who do you guys think is

(29:14):
their best defensive player? Now, I was gonna say Katy Clark,
but I was gonna say Kenny Clark. But yeah, maybe
it's also but Kenny Clark did not have a good
day yesterday. I mean it's probably overshown if he's healthy.

Speaker 9 (29:28):
If he's healthy, and if he if he comes back
one hundred percent, Like dude, he ripped his entire knee,
Like he's not going to be ready to go one hundred.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Why gets back twice? It's going to be tough.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Yeah, So I don't think this matters because of the
personnel on defense, right, and he goes back to a
theory two.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
You could, if I'm being.

Speaker 9 (29:46):
Very generous, the Cowboys did not bring matt en Abrafolus
in ear to fix the defense in twenty twenty five.
They fixed him to make this a long term thing.
It's a new program with Schottenheimer, like this is a
this is this is a long con here, if we're
being generous, But I do think.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
It's very strange.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
So the Dallas Cowboys, basically when they fired McCarthy on
January thirteenth, and that was up in the airs.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
He going to come back, his contract was up.

Speaker 9 (30:14):
Didn't want to give a new kind of saw where
it was going though he had his five years on
his five year deal. That ends up happening, and they're
just being so slow with how they're handling things. But
they did put in a call because in the NFL
you have to interview minority candidates, and they did bring
in Robert Sala, who was the former Jets head coach

(30:38):
and the defensive coordinator of the forty nine ers, and
the reason they interviewed him is so they could say
we interviewed an ethnic candidate.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
That's it. They were never interested in Robert Sala. Why
don't they just interview Michael Irvin every year whenever they
have to do that.

Speaker 9 (30:55):
So Schottenheimer is hired as the head coach on January
twenty fourth. Also on January twenty fourth, Robert Salah signs
a deal to be the San Francisco forty nine ers
defensive coordinator. Boy, he's so because, look, you spend eleven
days trying to get headlines McCarthy making a story.

Speaker 6 (31:18):
Who are we.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Gonna get now?

Speaker 9 (31:20):
Oh well we might get Shoty Dion, Pete Carroll, My god,
we're the all of it.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
It's just all a circus, dude.

Speaker 9 (31:28):
Then Sala was like, well, I'll just gonna take the
forty nine ers defensive coordinator job. I don't think you
guys are really that serious about having me in anyways.
And then five days after Shottenheimer's hired, they bring in
Matty Refluce because he knows the Joneses. Look, he's got
a really good track record to being a defensive coordator.
He has a horrible track record being a head coach,
but a great track record of being a defensive coordinator.

(31:50):
The coach under if you fire McCarthy on the thirteenth
or let him go on the thirteenth, and you hire
Schottenheimer on the sixteenth or seventeenth, then maybe you can
legit have a process. But like they didn't even try.
They don't even like it's lazy and it's just arrogant
and that's why we're here. It's just that attitude of
everything's good because we're good.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
Are you suggesting that they could have had Robert Sala
as their defensive coordinator if they wanted.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I'm saying he interviewed for the head coaching job here, right,
He interviewed to be the head coach here on the eighteenth, six.

Speaker 9 (32:25):
Days before he took the defensive coordinator job in San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Like, yes, they could have said, look, absolutely could have
if we go in a different direction with the head coach,
would you be interested in being a defensive coordinator?

Speaker 9 (32:36):
Don't you think Robert Sala who didn't have any Dude,
he was being an advisor for the Packers, okay, just
because his friend works there.

Speaker 8 (32:44):
Well, let me just say I don't I didn't follow
the San Francisco you know timeline closely, but he got
a good He was going to coach two of the
best defensive players in football before they both had season
ending injuries.

Speaker 9 (32:56):
Well, man, he was there for many years. That's them
good got him the Jets job. I'm just saying, like,
Eberflus is a name everyone in the football world would go, yeah,
we'll take Robert Solo over Ebraflus.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Is that like one hundred percent? Okay?

Speaker 9 (33:10):
Now, I don't think Eberflus has some bad reputation until now,
Like now it's really bad. But he didn't like you
still find but they knew, and Schottenheimer was given Matt Eberflus.
I don't think Schotenheimer.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Hired him like this is right.

Speaker 9 (33:23):
This is a little different than Mike McCarthy hand picking
Mike Nolan, you know, back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Right.

Speaker 9 (33:29):
It's just this is something I think could change how
we look at this.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
They had a window.

Speaker 9 (33:35):
If they would have just got on it and did
what they were supposed to do the same way, if
you would have just made the decision if it we're
not doing the Mica thing, you know, or signed him
even then if you make that decision in March, then
we're not dealing with this.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
They just don't have any urgency.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
But also don't they just not know what they want
to do next, right because in fact, I'll tell you why.
Coming up next, I'll tell you exactly why this is
so an s show.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
We're three minutes away from that. Don't miss it. That's
next Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
The Eagle will be listening for your chance to win
see their end Daughtry tickets later in the show. But
we're keeping the cowboy talk going, and Ben just gave
us a miraculous tease telling us why things are the
way they.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Are, Well, they are the way they are, which you
look at you know what Kat was breaking down. You've
the you know, Schottenheimer was given Eberflus as a defensive coordinator.
Schottenheimer was chosen because the familiarity with the Jones family.
Iberflus was chosen for that reason. And you know, you
just look at their whole approach to everything. The mica

(34:36):
that they're trying to pay him forty million dollars a
year and then they're like, oh my god, we no
way we could pay him forty seven. That's we'd pay
him forty three, and then they bail in their a
week before the season, they trade them. I mean, all
that is crazy, dysfunctional, and it's all because of one thing.
And it's all because the leader of the circus, the

(34:57):
ring master, Jerry Jones, is winging it. It's a gambler.
It's just a guy gun slinging who's winging it. He's
going off his gut. There is no culture, there is
no system. They aren't following any core beliefs that they have.
He's just out there winging it on a whim all
the time. And that's why this thing is such a mess.

(35:20):
And it's never going to get better on his watch. Like,
as long as he's alive and he's eighty three today,
as long as he's running the cowboys, this is never
gonna change. Because you see billionaires, we've interacted with super
wealthy people before. You can't tell them anything. They are
the smartest people on earth. They're not gonna listen to
mere mortals. They are money gods. And it only gets

(35:42):
worse over time. And so sadly, I don't think this
is gonna get better.

Speaker 8 (35:47):
It so makes me wonder what the dynamic is like
between Steven and Jerry, because I do believe Steven knows better.
Now I'm not saying I think Steven would be great
in the job. I don't know that, but I think
it's very obvious Steven knows better, and you know, how
can he communicate that to the dad. Now, there's lots
of stories in the past of things that have worked out,

(36:09):
like the Zach Martin deal they've talked about, you know,
that's been on a billion different platforms. I'm telling that
story and Jerry wanted Johnny Manziel and he, you know,
insulted his son and stormed out and then came back
later and said, you're right, I'm sorry and all that crap,
and then we know the don story. But I'm just
so curious about what those interactions are like because there's

(36:30):
no successful sports franchises that operate this way, if anything,
in every sport. Why I can't speak on hockey, I
don't know enough about it, but in football and baseball
and basketball, they have all increasingly gone in the direction
of more and more data, more and more analysis, more
and more sticking to a specific type program like almost

(36:50):
universally across the board and Cowboys aren't doing that. I
know Steven knows better, but I just I'm dying to know.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
I wish that.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
Could be the fly on the wall for what those
kinds of conversations are.

Speaker 9 (37:02):
Like I do too, And I mean, I think we
all look at twenty thirteen was a time right around
that era where Will McClay was brought in with Steven
Jones kind of taking more of a getting more control
of the draft and less of Jerry winging it and
making bad trades and moving up and down and things
like that. And I still now look at that and go, Okay, yes,

(37:25):
that's fine. I like Will McLay a lot, but he
is now at the point where we can.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Start asking questions, oh yeah, what is the process?

Speaker 9 (37:34):
And maybe he's been there for the last couple of years,
like the dynamic changed a little bit and now we're
kind of going we kind of needed to change even
a little bit more to see more of a vision
because all our teams like do things with their money.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
They pick and choose, Like, we know we're not going
to be good this year.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
We have to were just like whatever happens happens, but
we're going to make some moves, so we're cap with
our salary cap and our money, we're able to go
for it this year. I've absolutely just seeing it with
my packers, like they had two years of like we're
gonna cut back on some of the things we're doing here,
get rid of some bad contracts, and then we're gonna
lean all the way in. And I think that's the
Cowboys under sitting there going. Jerry said it last week.

(38:11):
People are asking are you a playoff team? And he's
sideswiping Micah in the press conference, man like come on, dude,
Like it's really really petty and it's all just silly stuff.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Man. They've had three defensive coordinators in three years. I
guess Zimmer wanted to be head coach. That's the only
rea he would have stayed or whatever. But I mean,
when you have that much turnover and that much change,
you're not gonna have identity, You're not gonna have a culture.
And then in the draft room, you're gonna have that
coordinator in there with a voice and they're having input,

(38:44):
and it's like have it renting a room to somebody
temporarily in your home and letting them have input in
all the decisions you're making to your house on a remodel, like,
why would you do that? That's not a permanent guest,
that's just somebody stopping by. And I think a lot
of that's led to just the lack of continuity.

Speaker 9 (39:01):
It's a bummer that we're here because look, at the
end of the day, you lost to.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
The Panthers and the Bears. Oh boy, you can't do that.
You just can't do that.

Speaker 9 (39:10):
And you know what, They're gonna beat Washington next week
because it's the NFL Baby three three in one. Let's
go all right, there you have it. There's a little
cowboys talk.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
We'll get back into it one more time today because
it is a Cowboy Monday at five o'clock. But coming
up next, I got to share a personal story about
my daughter and share with you the greatest song of
all time. Is it time for the Cowboys to fire
one of their coaches? We'll talk about that at five o'clock.
We got Kevin Costner news that is very important. Did
he get a key to another local community. We'll find

(39:41):
out at five point thirty. The Today Game's coming up
in ten minutes. You must listen live it shalt to
me podcasted. But right now, it's stop for this.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
She's interrational, quick trigger, nuclear overreactor.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
He's a masterful storyteller who.

Speaker 9 (39:56):
Consistently finds himself drowning in a seat of awk.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's time for no trundy Ben all right, got a
couple of things I want to get to here. Number one.
I'm every once in a while I bring some audio
to the show of a weird, awkward, cringe e musician.
And there was one I brought a while back, maybe
a year ago or within the last year, and it
was this guy, and he was going.

Speaker 9 (40:22):
This is my rhyme, this is my time, this is
my grime, this is my giant.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
Was it the guy from Carolina that shouts out, sirper
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Is he hit by that bus? There were? There were?
There are Any time this happens, there needs to be
a strong brain injury disclaimer to where. I don't know, man,
I don't know the history. It's on my timeline. I
don't know. This is my timeline. I don't know, like
what the origin story is here. I don't think you

(40:54):
should worry about it.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
To me, if you put content out in the world,
whatever it is, it happened in life. Lead to that
content doesn't matter, it's out of context content, and enjoy
it on the merit of the work.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
This is a.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
Chubby, pasty white guy, so my kind of guy. Uh,
he's got he's trying to be gangster. He's trying to
be in the hood. He's got intricate braid work done
on his hair, but he's wearing pretty common white guy
it glasses. Okay, like he works in it. Yeah, we
could use him here, Yeah, we can definitely use him.

(41:28):
But he's throwing down some gangster wrap. Now. That's most
of his songs are like that. It's like I was,
I have to stay on my grind, you might get shot,
you know, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's like that type of stuff. Good stuff, good stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
But he made one song and it's all auto tuned,
and he's talking about being in Appalachia, like an Appalachian mountains.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
It's tough area, dude, bro.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
This song lives in my head. Rent Free Let's Go
is a banger. Check it out.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
To herd cats.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I don't even make climb the lamp frost.

Speaker 5 (42:11):
Lames making it's a rabbit, you know, the lobby inside
at the top down.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
I'm going to rack my body. I'm black class stening
the slow jack against. We've shed, we made the entire day.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
She's gonna play man, We're gonna plan. She might as
well stay. Don't we see them?

Speaker 4 (42:34):
Sure video he's in a bucky shown like she a
one against doing photo rock.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
She switching, She she gotta walk, She beautiful lace, she diggs,
She comes quish, He's always my first day.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
She goes tworking through you.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Please, I'll grab you?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
What is that is that?

Speaker 14 (43:01):
Like?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I do you take that as a compliment, Christina? Have
some guys like, hey, come on out here, I'll grab you.

Speaker 11 (43:05):
Well, he didn't say it like that. If you said
it like that, I would be I'd be concerned. But
I do like the kind of yacht rocky vibe he's
got going with those keys there. I was so distracted
by that, I couldn't really focus on the lyrics.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
It is a tough mix, but I like it. I
like old elements.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
I'm wondering if he's just got a really good melodic
sense or if he just asked a I to do it.

Speaker 9 (43:27):
Hey, I do say I just do that now? Like, Hey,
I give me a great melody with this auto tune.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Hey girl, come to Appalachia.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
He's got another song called bury Me in the leaves
of Apple.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, listen, why not the balls to play?

Speaker 12 (43:41):
He's still fresh on the stove top, thinking about going
to the small towns general shop.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Walking down to the storefront. Lost the magic. He needs
to stick. He needs to be.

Speaker 9 (43:51):
Uh Yale Carolina Panthers guy, the same track every time.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, I played again, there a good one.

Speaker 9 (43:58):
Oh sorry, good one that called Appa Girl.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Okay, hold on, he says, take the expressway. It was
much faster, faster. He's practical. Yeah, that's what's great about Yeah.
I don't know. I think this guy's got at So
he's back in the news. That song is on my
timeline and because I listened to it one time, now
every time I'm on Instagram, I have to see it
and see his hair and okay, you know now that

(44:35):
song is just stuck in my head. And now all
Eagle listeners it's going to take over their timelines because
the phone here is like, oh, what's this guy?

Speaker 8 (44:45):
Let me give you more of his content. He is
making a huge mistake by ever. He should always deliver
his music with auto tunes because I don't even know
what he looks like.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
But I'm like, i'd probably hang out with that guy. Yeah,
I mean, if he's auto tuned, i'd hang out with him,
But if he's gangster, I'd be too scared.

Speaker 9 (45:01):
I can't hang out with that second thing that can't
be played. There's another song called getting paper Bag Money.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
He row week fast we cash.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
You can say we not about now, don't speak on
our business or chief coming down?

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Fill you full of holes? I need to get the
lead out.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
How we know?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
How is this guy needs to be arrested. But that
first song clearly had to be a I because there's
musical sensibility to these last two things. Play the original,
the good one, back to the good one.

Speaker 12 (45:35):
Yeah, much fast money.

Speaker 9 (45:51):
Laugh at everybody like I'm on Saturn. Incredible that work,
you know, the rings just laughing everybody else rings suffocated meat.
Yeah you guys ever get stuck on those rings and
Saturn to start lapping all your competitors.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
And Christina defended him on the I'll grab you line.

Speaker 10 (46:06):
I don't know if I defended him. You said you
were in today? No all right there, yeah, it said laughing.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
I was totally laughing, all right, coming up in three
minutes of the today game, followed by cussing the Cowboys.
All that's next, Cowboy surprise.

Speaker 9 (46:43):
All right, it was not good Yesterday thirty twenty seven.
The Panthers beat the Cowboys and the Cowboys had a
long way to go, and that was the last I
would say, gimme game on the schedule.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
There might be another one. It's just very strange.

Speaker 9 (46:58):
A part of what makes yesterday's loss hurt a little
bit to me. There's two things. One is that the
Giants beat the Eagles on Thursday night, so takeaway, however,
you fill out the Cowboys for a second and just go, well,
the Giants beat the Eagles, so it's kind of wide
open here.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Giants streaking bro their thing is.

Speaker 9 (47:15):
Six minutes left in the game, and for you to
not get the ball back is absolute malpractice at all
forms like takeaway getting a stop, you have to let
them score.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
They tried, They did try it. I would argue that
it didn't look that different from normal.

Speaker 11 (47:31):
Plays, No, but you can tell they were letting them try.
And that was even more embarrassing and sad.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
To watch when they tapped them on the shoulder pad
I was like, push them in the end zone. You're
not going to get the ball back. Push seriously, they
you cannot play defense that way. With six minutes left,
we know what's going to happen here. How Eberflus did
not have eleven guys on a suicide blitz going after
the quarterback on every play.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
I'll never understand. That is frustrating.

Speaker 9 (47:58):
And then if you want to say, well, you're being
a little emotion Kevin, hold on here, it's fourth and three.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
You're right, you have him to a fourth to three
and I had a chance to stop them.

Speaker 9 (48:08):
Panthers went big nuts, went for it. Probably their only
choice right there. But Panthers had a lot of confidence
they were convert on fourth and three and they did.
And there's a lot of talk about that specific play.
It's a slant right to hunt a Renfro, a little
short white guy. The plan they said after the game
was for Kenneth Murray to get over and well you

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watch it did. Kenneth Murray was not even closed. He's
garbage and he's by far he refle his favorite.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
He guy like he refuses to take him out of
the game, and it's an absolute waste to have him in.
I saw these stats about the Cowboys defense. They in
total yards allowed, they're worse in the NFL, opposing passing
opposing passer rating worst in the NFL, rushing first downs

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allowed worst in the NFL, third down conversion rate worst
in the NFL. Like, this is the worst defense in
the entire NFL, and it's not getting better.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
If anything, it's getting worse.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
I really thought that they had improved, and in the
last two weeks whoa Like, I thought, Okay, they're not
a good team.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
It's stopping the run. But they're okay.

Speaker 8 (49:20):
They're okay, I mean based on what they did in
the second half against Philly the couple weeks. But man,
the way haul ran on all over him. If it
wasn't for that fumble, who knows, And in the way
that Rico daldle what did he have thirteen carries of
seven yards or more? It was an outrageous number, like
the most ridiculous number you've ever heard, So much so
that as the game was going on, I was like,

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why are they ever passing the ball? Why wouldn't they
hand it to Rico Daldele on every play and just
get seven yards on every play? Never risk an incomplete
pass or anything and just keep like there was no
resistance none.

Speaker 9 (49:56):
You needed the Panthers to have penalties or a slant
route to Ted McMillan goes off his head and Donovan
Wilson g it's the interception, right, which, by the way,
that's the longest of guys ever stayed on the ground
after an interception. He fell down three times, couldn't get
his legs going, He couldn't activate his glutes and get moving.

Speaker 8 (50:13):
It's crazy. It looked like if you guys ever seen
an older dog in their legs. Just the dog's fine,
but it's just the back legs aren't working anymore and
so it's just dragging.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Its leg around.

Speaker 8 (50:22):
Yeah, that's what he looked like after he was received,
after you got that gift of an interception put right
into his belly bad.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
Would you guys rather have George Pickens or Ted McMillan Pickens?

Speaker 4 (50:32):
No, why do you say that?

Speaker 9 (50:34):
Well, if the Panthers don't take Ted McMillan in the draft,
the Cowboys probably do, right, and you never make you
never trade a third rounder for George Pickens, right, And
I think the George Pickens contract stuff. I think is
going to be big, It's going to be important, and
I don't know, think the Cowboys are going to handle
it with class?

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Then no, they don't handle these things well. This is
a combustible situation. I think I would rather have a
third round pick and have Tet just to have all
those years out of the married.

Speaker 9 (51:02):
I think Ted at the end of their career, I
think Ted will have a better career than Georgie Pickens.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
I don't know. I don't know. You would know way
more about him as a prospect than I do, obviously,
But man, Pickens looks good good. The problem is with Pickens,
you have you have to He's going to be on
his best behavior because it's a contract here right now.
But dude, he's a little bit of a loose cannon.
All we all know that this contract thing could get ugly.

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I mean, what is he right now? He's playing like, Hey,
I'm the best receiver in the league. So does he
want thirty five a year? Like? Is he cool?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm the best number two in the league, Give me
twenty eight a year.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
I don't know. Whatever it is. Can they afford to
have their number two receiver making thirty million dollars a year.
And I saw broadis talking about this, and I don't
you know, this is a question they have to ask.
If you're not in it this year, You've got some
guys that would be of interest to other teams. If
you're not going to keep Pickens, do you consider trading Pickens?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Another guy's TJ.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Bass, who may be the best backup offensive guard in
the NFL, who's a luxury to have, but he's gone
after this year. So at some point do you do
you just punt and say, man, let's get as many
draft picks as possible.

Speaker 8 (52:06):
I mean, well, let me ask you this, what would
be a draft pick to get in your opinion, that
is worth trading Bass?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
Like you just sends like anything, like a no, No,
I think it would have if you got a fourth.
I think I'd take a fourth for him. If it
take a fourth fourth pickings you go, do you give
up a third for Pickens? Yeah? So do you do?
You would you just take a third for him? I would.
I would take a second for him, and I think
I would probably take a third if you're not going
to keep him. But this comes down to you have
to have a culture and a plan and someone leading,

(52:36):
not just a guy winging it. Jerry's going to get
into negotiation and see how they go and wing it.

Speaker 8 (52:40):
Yeah, I don't see why. I mean, I guess it
depends on injuries and stuff. But when you have a
guy that's a backup, you just sign him in the
off season if you want him, Like, you know, the
Cowboys aren't going to sign him, so I give up
an asset.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
Let's keep it, keep it going. I've got an idea
that might make sense of the George Pickens thing.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Okay, that's next, don't go anywhere. It's a couple of
minutes away. Before. So now, KT, we were just talking
and you had a juicy situation for us on keeping
George Pickens'.

Speaker 9 (53:06):
We're talking about the you if it goes the season
goes awry, and it maybe already has, and you need
to trade for some assets. You know, George Pickens, you
could franchise him, which means he would be here for
another year and he probably wouldn't like that. And how
his agent is Michah Parson's agent. So it's not like
the best situation for the Cowboys there.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Jerry should try to deal directly with Pickens on the thing.

Speaker 9 (53:30):
The thing is too teams will have, you know, they'll
know their cap space and how much room they have
in march to maneuver and all that stuff. So they
may have like the cap space because if you're if
you're trading George Pickens in the offseason, is a signing
trade deal most likely, I mean, and the team that's
picking him up will be signing him, yeah, the contract.
They wouldn't be signing a trading for him for his

(53:51):
franchise tag year or like, that's not how that would work.
So I do kind of think if you're gonna do this,
you've got till early November, till the trade line. We'll
see how the next two games play out, right, But
like I do think it's kind of crucial to have
these conversations right now. We do think Ceedee Lamb will
be back next week because I think you can get

(54:12):
more for George Pickens now for teams that are sitting
there on the brink going man kind of want to
go for it here, I want to go and I
think they'll get more than in the off season when
they have to sign him to a deal.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
I mean, now would be the time you could see
George Pickens comes in here, immediately, gets integrated and is
performing like a true number one. Yes, so if you're
a team that's a receiver away, that would be appealing.
It'd be real appealing. Fol Bills could use the George Pickens.

Speaker 8 (54:39):
But it's gonna be okay now that now you're getting
to something that I think is legit. If you're a
team that has a chance to win a Super Bowl,
then you do it. Because I'm assuming Pickens was on
the open market last summer and no one stepped up
and gave more than a third and a fifth. So
someone's in the middle of the season going now I
want to I mean, it's gonna have to be like
what you're talking about, where someone's like, this guy can

(55:01):
put us over the top if we get him right now.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
And the way he's playing now, he's destroying anything he's
ever done prior to this, So any questions about how
good he is, he's answered those questions. So maybe a
team would be and also maybe a team would be
willing to go get him now just to try to
win this year, like say, Buffalo, we don't want to
deal with him. Is his contract, he's going to be
a problem, But yeah, let's go put him with Josh Allen.

(55:26):
Right now, let's go win it? All right? What would
that be worth? A second third? And dude, look around
the AFC. I know we were talking about look around
the NFC. So I did this a couple of weeks
ago when I was looking at Kansas City's record, going
oh my god, is Kansas City out of it? And
then I looked at the AFC and I said, Nope, no,
they're not. Like last night's win was.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
Who it was very good, but like, really in the
NFL period, who are these badass teams?

Speaker 4 (55:52):
They're just smashing everyone.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
San Francisco lost their second best defensive player last night.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
And you think Tampa is a Juggernut? No, not at all.

Speaker 9 (56:01):
But is uh the only quarterback in the league playing
better than Dak Yeah, maybe Joe Shaft.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
They're really good. I mean the Packers should be five.

Speaker 9 (56:11):
And oh the Eagles are smelly, but they were smelly
at this time last year, so they'll probably end up
and their Detroit looks pretty good.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Still still can't.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Believe the Eagles won a Super Bowl with that team.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Last question I hear have for the Cows, would you
guys rather have Javonte Williams, Rico Dowdell.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Okay, well they're they Okay, they're about the same age, right,
good question. Twenty five. I think they might be the
same down as twenty seven. I think they're the same
dude pretty much at the two very close.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
I think Rico like he left, I mean, the Coways
made their decision then Rico left, so they never really
liked him. But it seems because he played a lot last.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Year because he wasn't Carolina's starter either.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
It was.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Was really good, right, he was really good.

Speaker 8 (57:00):
Just someone explained to me, because I don't know, it
can go back and you know watch it. Why could
we not run the ball yesterday? Was that because the
offensive line has been performing.

Speaker 9 (57:10):
They've good defensive linemen and like the Cowboys tried to
trade with the Panthers, but they were not going to
give up around the defensive tackle. So they've got some
good r players up front when we have backup offensive lineman.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Okay. Also, the week prior was that the Jets Jets
I was listening to a podcast talking about this and
they were saying, well, the long run kind of skewed
the numbers.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
They didn't run that well. In that game.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
They didn't block very well run blocking in the interior
of the offensive line in that game, even though numbers
were decent. I think it was that sixty eight yard
run impacted that. And so I heard I heard some
people predicting the Cowboys wouldn't be able to run the ball,
Like you know, they're they're shorthanded still and they're playing
along the offensive line, but they're Yeah, you would think

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they would be able to run better than they did.

Speaker 8 (57:58):
That was far and away the worst performance of the
year for them. All right, let's keep it cooking here
on the Ben and Skin Show. Coming up next, one
of Ben's all time heroes is catching strays. We'll see
how the Kevin Costner story affects Ben next right here.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
On the Eagle, Are you excited?

Speaker 14 (58:21):
Featuring veteran news anchor Kat fun tweets all right, full disclosure,
This story came out late last week and could have
done it on the show, but we need to wait
till Ben was here because this story involves Costner.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Kevin Costner, I'm on record, this is the greatest human
on earth, phenomenal man, special person, flawless, never had any
mistakes at all, perfect basically, besides the Horizon one, which
you didn't really like.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, that wasn't very good. Was his ego got out
of control on that.

Speaker 4 (58:55):
He's like, I'm gonna make eight movies and I'm gonna
put all my money into it.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
I'm gonna save the movie theater business.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
And this eight movie thing is gonna take so long
to set up that I'm not even gonna be in
this one. For the first forty five minutes.

Speaker 9 (59:08):
The Hollywood Reporter has a big Costner piece, in fact,
so big this will be this segment and the big finish.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Let's start out.

Speaker 9 (59:15):
Kevin Costner his co stars Wes Bentley and Kelly Riley
were filming a tense scene of Yellowstone on a sound
stage in Utah.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Give me those names again, please.

Speaker 9 (59:25):
H Kelly Riley that's the girl. And then Wes Bentley,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yeah, he was in.

Speaker 8 (59:30):
He was the kid in American Beauty that sat there
and watched plastic baggies fly.

Speaker 9 (59:34):
Around between tensions boiled over. Costner was pushing Bentley to
ditch Taylor Sheridan's script and play the moment his way.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Okay, Bentley refused.

Speaker 9 (59:47):
He told Costner that he'd signed up for a Taylor
Sheridan show, not a Kevin Costner production. Pace Soar says
cost didn't like that, and he launched at him. No
fists were thrown, but they were at each other faces,
pushing and shoving until they had to be separated. Meanwhile,
Kelly Riley, who believes the blonde with the rip or

(01:00:08):
whatever he's hot, it looks like my wife, she is
in tears and they briefly had to shut down production.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Ooh, British tears. Yeah, British tears are terrible.

Speaker 9 (01:00:17):
Here's a good setup paragraph for the rest of the article.
This dust up was just a tipping point on a
set already cracking from creative power struggles and bruised egos.
But for Coster it was the latest incident and a
long series of a career marked by feuds, walkouts, lawsuits,
financing fiascos, and a growing reputation for being, as one

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former colleague put it, impossible, how did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
You get the city to Irving or the key to
the city of Irving.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
We're gonna get to that because I think I know.

Speaker 11 (01:00:51):
So.

Speaker 9 (01:00:51):
There's a long list of people in Hollywood who swear
they're never going to work with Kevin Costner again, And
I didn't know he was thought of like that, Amy Madigan.
He's got a lot of people. They all have the reasons.
He doesn't always pay his bills on time. Oh he
burns through relationships.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
This is a full teardown piece, isn't it? It absolutely is.

Speaker 9 (01:01:13):
He burns through relationships like his longtime producing partner, who
he sued for fifteen million dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Oh my god, who won? I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 9 (01:01:22):
He ignores advice from Steven Spielberg here, rewrites scripts without
warning overrules directors, and on more than one occasion, is
clashed with his co stars, including Clint Eastwood and Kurt Russell.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Oh tough for me. Now mom and dad are fighting.
Who do I believe in? Kurt Russell or Kevin cost
I'm so bad in the way. Hold on, what a
great question. Who do I believe in? Kurt Russell or
Kevin Costner?

Speaker 6 (01:01:47):
I need a T shirt?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
It's so good. That is a great T shirt. I believe.
I just have a picture of each. It's only one
or the other.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I'm gonna know I would. I think that will be
the shirt of next summer. Everyone will want one. Okay,
now there have been signs of a massive ego, right,
and it was never I mean when he's costner. He
dominated the nineties pretty much like nobody else.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Right, he was on fire and late eighties.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
But you know when he comes back and he's doing
TV and Yellowstone explodes and does as well as it
did now, he feels like he's a god again. And
then he makes Horizon and he got into that. Okay, okay,
let me just tell you.

Speaker 9 (01:02:38):
Yeah, his egoes highs, right because he's hould the Hog,
dances with wolves, all the stuff that's early night.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
Then came water World. Yeah, nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 9 (01:02:46):
Steven Spielberg advised him to avoid filming on the open
sea at all costs.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
He's like, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 9 (01:02:54):
Water World with a budget of one hundred and seventy
five million dollars then the most expensive movie ever wait
and began shooting in Hawaii. They had hurricanes, tsunami warnings,
jellyfish bites, several injuries, including him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
He almost died riding out a storm. We got to
get the shot that sounds like apocalypse now. So it's
a big flop. Obviously.

Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
In the ninety five the Mailman movie was bad too,
Oh the Postman.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
That was bad. I never saw. Oh it's really big.
I actually never saw water World.

Speaker 9 (01:03:26):
When we come back, let's talk about his fight with
Clint Eastwood and also why I think Irving gave him
the key to the city connect.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
That's juicy.

Speaker 8 (01:03:36):
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Speaker 8 (01:04:52):
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Speaker 9 (01:05:16):
And that's a big, really big That's what the guy
said when he saw the new Rolltown facility in f Scott.

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:05:22):
Okay, so we're talking about the Kevin cost piece and
the Hollywood reporter from last week that we waited until
Ben got back for. So Taylor Sheridan had originally envisioned
Robert Redford to play the role that Kevin Costner was playing,
but the show HBO was going to get it in
the Paramount up their offer. So Paramount got it and
they're like, we have the money to go get Costner.

(01:05:44):
So Taylor Sheridan didn't even want Coster. He wanted Robert Redford.
Robert Redford wasn't going to do that, Probably not, but
maybe who knows how Taylor Sheridan was envisioning the show
to be it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:54):
Yeah time too, Let's just say go, look at the
last time Redford was out doing stuff resting, rest and peace.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Jeez, he would have been major age difference there right
by like twenty years. Yeah, it's significant. Yeah, but Redford
would have been great in that role too. Yeah, yeah,
I doubt he would have done it.

Speaker 9 (01:06:10):
As the seasons were on, certain cast members were growing
fed up with Costner being a diva. Keep in mind,
these you're mostly unknown people at the time. They were
fiercely loyal to Taylor Sheridan, Who's giving them their big chance,
not Kevin Costner telling them you should put the coffee
milk here in this shot, right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
And Sheridan is the Golden Goose.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Yeah, he is going to continue to crank out hits
and do deals with networks and things like that. So
if mom and dad are fighting and it's Shardan Costner,
if you want to look out for your career, you'd
go with Sheridan. Plus it sounds like Costner. It's just
straight up a douchebag. This is where it got really awkward.

Speaker 9 (01:06:43):
So once Yellowstone's a hit, Sheridan's like, let's do some
spinoffs and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
So they do Yellowstone.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
Eighteen eighty three pretty good, And Costner did not like
that because he had been circulating a script for the
movie Horizon about.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
The old Wesson.

Speaker 9 (01:06:58):
In fact, act, he had been pitching around town since
nineteen eighty eight. This was his white whale. It was
a two hundred million dollar western. It'll be four films
set in the post Civil War American West, maybe a
twelve year period.

Speaker 4 (01:07:13):
It's gonna be apic, it's gonna be awesome. Everyone's gonna
love it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
So basically, back when Beverly Hills Cop was popping, Costner's
out there trying to get Horizon made.

Speaker 9 (01:07:21):
This is his big thing, and now Yellowstone's gonna make
an eighteen eighty three spinoff, and he's like.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
They'll buy that, but they won't buy mine.

Speaker 9 (01:07:27):
No one wont it, and one source says he was
obsessively pursuing it forever and as a result, the Yellowstone
World starts unraveling with Costner. Then it was reported that
Costner had scrounged up financing to start making the Horizon
films let Go. He wanted to spend no more than

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one week on the Yellowstone set for the final episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Okay, one week for the final season.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
He presented Paramount with that offer and they went, we're good.
We're not gonna do that. We're going to kill off
your character, spoiler.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Man.

Speaker 9 (01:08:05):
At his peak, he was being paid around one point
five million dollars an episode, but the show says if
he would have just stayed that, they think it would
have expanded to be eight seasons long, and that he
would have made forty five million dollars on that money
he could have used for his little pet project Horizon.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Also his divorce that he had to go through too.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Boy, that's another tough deal.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
Don't be a jerk man, tough thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
So there's some bad blood between them.

Speaker 9 (01:08:35):
Costner had a hard time finding horses and cows to
rent during his Horizon shooting Utah. The rumor was on
the set was that most of the livestock had already
been rented by Taylor Sharon.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Got his cows, got his cows.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
I'm gonna get there and rent them cows before Costner do.

Speaker 9 (01:08:56):
When people close to Costa read the original script for Horizon,
which was over one hundred eighty pages, what a beating,
they urged him to drastically cut it and revise it.
The script goes the sprawling cast of characters with storylines
that all converge on a fictional Western settlement. One source
he Reddit said, I couldn't get through it all. It
was Bananasville.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
I mean this is all ego. Yes, this is all
out of control. The thing that's so amazing. And I've
brought this up to you guys before. This has happened
in Hollywood before, with a guy named Michael Chimino that
made the most expensive Western at the time. It was
so expensive it killed an entire studio. United Artists ceased
to exist because his ego was so big coming off

(01:09:40):
The Deer Hunter, nobody could tell him anything and he
was going to make his epic unwatchable western What was
Like It was called and the Ugly No, Now I'm
forgetting the name of it. I'll look it up. Keep going.

Speaker 9 (01:09:54):
So by spring of twenty twenty two, he'd pulled together
enough money for Horizon, and he got Luke Wilson to
jump on board Cienna Miller and to start shooting the
first and second on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
The four films. There's so many films.

Speaker 9 (01:10:08):
So in the spring of twenty twenty four, after that
production wrapped, he took it to the con Film Festival.
There were concerns the movie wasn't ready and needed more
time for testing, but Costner took it anyways, even though
everyone advised him not to. Yeah, Rotten Tomatoes ended up
giving it a twenty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Oh oh no, it wasn't even that good.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I'm gonna look. By the way, the movie I was
somebody was called Heaven's Gate, and I'm now gonna look
up it's Rotten Tomatoes and again it's okay, Heaven's Gate.
There's four movies here, four Horizon movies, right, And my
whole thing was like, I think Costner is a great
starting quarterback in a movie. I think he can be
the number one, and you could build a championship movie
around him.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
But he was looking at this with his big ego.

Speaker 4 (01:10:52):
Here's four long movies, like over two plus hours each, right,
three hour movies, four three hour movies, and so he thought, well,
we're just setting up all these characters. This first two
and a half three hour movie is just all set up.
People don't want that. It sucks. He wasn't even in
the movie for like forever in the fifties.

Speaker 8 (01:11:11):
He just thinks that people are interested in whatever he's
interested in because it's him. And if I'm interested in it,
you guys are gonna do anything I say to get
my stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
I've heard people talking about it. We had we had
we were playing I don't remember which musician this was,
but somebody was talking about what performing every night to
a sold out arena does to your ego as a
music performer, where you're just like you're a god. Yeah,
how are you? Oh it's yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:11:36):
The SNL rider that talks like this, talking about Mick Jagger.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
If you're gonna do yeah, that's exactly what was What
does that do to your ego if that's the world
you live in? Right, So for Kostner, I mean, he
was burnt after the ego ride he went on in
the nineties. He was on top of the world, and
it just sounds like he is delusional and still trapped
in that well.

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
Mean, it's not like he's got yes been around him.

Speaker 11 (01:12:01):
People are saying, dude, do not do this, like he's
got no man and he is still doing it.

Speaker 9 (01:12:06):
Yes by yes, we're talking this Taylor Swift, a bunch
of yes guys saying whatever you do is fine.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
He has people saying, no, dude, hold on, we can
make this. We'll make it work. But hold on, dude.

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
It's not like he hasn't been through this before. Water
World was humiliating for him. This is who the guy is.
He's trying to make it right. This guy lived through
Robinhood Prince of Thie. I mean, let's talk about this guy.
He's he's delusional.

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
So we talked a lot about the comedy festival over
in Saudi Arabia. Okay, So Costner went over to Saudi
Arabia looking to meet some rich guys.

Speaker 5 (01:12:42):
Ah.

Speaker 9 (01:12:43):
He accepted a Lifetime Achievement Award it's Saudi Arabia's Joy Awards,
has a big speech. He met with the top Saudi
officials and pitched them to help finance the third and
fourth installments of Horizon. According to two sources, the Saudis
were open to investing his sur amount in the franchise,
but not the sum that Costner was seeking. He ultimately

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walked away with nothing. Dude, they have all the money
and they will give it away. Phil Mickelson five hundred
million dollars, I feel like worth.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
That at all? Like, and he was like, not enough,
not enough from the Saudies. That's crazy. I've actually I
just realized Costner is the Phil Micholson of actors. Okay,
I could kind of see this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Let's hear this, you know, it's sims to like him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Yeah, but also he was in his prime.

Speaker 8 (01:13:36):
He was never going to be the best because there
was someone else out there, in this case, Kurt Russell
that was just one notch ahead of him, so he
could never So he was gonna end up going and
taking Saudi money.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (01:13:49):
So Don Johnson's playing the tiger character in ten Cup, Okay,
never really get into it. Yeah, So he's got a
lot of stuff going on, including we've talked about this story.
There was a scene he's got to go to court
because there's a hearing because there was a female stunt
performer who filed a suit against him. A legend she
was forced to perform an unscripted scene of oh what sex?

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Right?

Speaker 9 (01:14:13):
Oh well right, yeah, I remember this without proper safety protocols.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
It's his operation because they had they usually have quote
unquote intimacy advisors and stuff during all that. But I mean, hey, no,
do this rape scene now. I'm costner. I appreciate you
guys saving this for me. And that's how we're gonna
end today's show. Don't forget tomorrow. It's a very special show.

(01:14:40):
Is We're gonna be out at the Rollertown Open PGA
Frisco benefiting the National Breast Cancer Foundation. I'll never forget
the time KT looked his sexual compliance officer dead in
her eye and he said, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
I would say never change, you know, but also change. Yeah,
And she was really able to take that to heart. Christina,
you gonna stick around, play some music.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
Just for a bit. We got MAVs tonight's game.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
MAVs pregame with Coop and De Maris, and then the
game afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Check it out all right here on the Eagle there
you

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Going, I'm gonna get my sack back, dude that I
gotta take a poop