June 6, 2025 • 6 mins
"What do you do when your head coach becomes the hottest name on another team’s wish list?"In this high-stakes, high-energy episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the swirling rumors surrounding Jason Kidd and the New York Knicks. With Mark Stein’s bombshell report that the Knicks have officially requested permission to speak with Kidd, the crew unpacks what this could mean for the Dallas Mavericks, the NBA coaching carousel, and the future of the franchise.Plus, the crew debates whether Nico Harrison has a “guy” of his own if Kidd leaves, and whether Jared Dudley or Sean Sweeney could step up.Also, don’t miss the intriguing connections between Kidd and the Knicks, including Jalen Brunson, Casey Smith, and a previous interview that nearly landed him the job.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Reach down and grab a couple of plump tomatoes. It's
time for sports ketchup. Catchupun sports sports catcher, catchup, buns.
I would totally go see that man in the eighties. Man,
(00:21):
that man sounds great. Uh you'all want to catch up
on the j Kid thing?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, yes, very so.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Mark Stein, who used to broadcast in this very studio,
had a report to He had a report Tuesday that
the Knicks were going to ask permission to talk to
Jason Kidd, and you know, we talked about the other
day and then we talked about the connections that made
sense as to why there was a kid Nick's connection.
Now he had another report today saying they have asked
(00:51):
for permission now, so it's escalated and it's now are
the Mavericks going to give them permission?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Udoka, the coach of the Houston Rockets. Houston, according to Stein,
has put out a word that you can ask permission.
You ain't getting it. We're not coming off of him now.
I have not heard what the Mavericks are or aren't
going to do. But as Stein got into it, you know,
we talked about the connection with you know, Jalen Brunson.
We talked about Casey Smith and I had mentioned this
(01:20):
the other day and Stein talked a little bit about it.
You know, Casey was involved in getting Kid hired here
there was a group of guys that worked with Cuban.
But I've seen a lot of people out there on
the internet be like, Okay, well if you're getting rid
of Kid, like, why wouldn't you get rid of Nico?
And I don't know if people remember Nico and Kid
(01:40):
were hired independently of one another. That was not Nico's hire.
Nico was in the process of getting hired when Kid
got hired, so they were not They knew each other,
but they were not hey, this is the GM and
here's my coach. They were an arranged marriage and then
they had a lot of success together. So I don't
know that, you know, I know that they've found ways
(02:02):
to work together, but I don't know that Kid has
some strong allegiance to Nico and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But they've done a good job working together.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So do we know if Nico has his own guy,
Like like if the Mavericks came off a Jay Kidd
and hopefully they'd get something good in return if they
did that and essentially traded their coach. Would they just
take one of the in house guys or does Nico
have a relationship with some coach out there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's the really interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'm sure he does, but I don't know it because
usually an executive comes from some tree and you can
start connecting dots.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, I don't know who that would be.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It'd have to be US Olympics, right, like it would
be like the USA guys.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So or maybe you know, when he was with Nike,
there's a guy like you know that was a Nike client.
That's a I mean, I don't know. I'm totally speculating.
But they have two highly coveted guys on their staff.
Jared Dudley is highly coveted and Sean Sweeney almost got
the Phoenix job, right, and so he's he's highly respected
and in there's talk that Memphis is interested in stealing
(03:06):
Dudley to be an assistant there and that Sweeney's gonna
get Oh Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Apparently the San Antonio Spurs want him to be on
their staff.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Why wouldn't you just do what Jerry Jones won't do
and just say, who is the greatest coach on earth?
Who's available, Let's go get that guy because we have
so much to lose here. Yeah, we can't mess this up.
I don't know that I want to roll the dice
with a young guy. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not.
But why wouldn't you just say, who is the greatest
coach on earth? Who's available, Let's go get him?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I think that'd be good. And I like Tom Cruise,
Like Tom Cruise, even go get him? And also like
Sean Sweeney's been here and I've watched him run practice,
like players are familiar with him.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But I also don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, so much of this has to do with
Kyrie and Anthony Davis and who they like. Anthony Davis
played with Jared Dudley in LA when they want a championship, right,
So there's that kind of an idea. There's also keep
in mind, which I had forgotten about this until I
read Stein's article, Kid interviewed with the Knicks when Thibodeaux
got the job, and apparently did really well in the interview,
(04:04):
but they went with Tibbs. So there's other connections there
besides the brunch and the Casey thing.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't think and I don't know this.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't think kids looking to get out of here,
but I think kids like probably going, oh, this is
pretty awesome because the Western Conference as hard as hell,
and the Eastern Conference Celtics are being dismantled. The Pacers,
you know, we talked about them earlier. They're lightning in
a bottle. So if you're looking at getting to the finals, man,
(04:34):
the Knicks are going to be front.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Runners next year in the Eastern Conference. You still have
a contender with the number one pick, which is rare.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yep. That seems to buy you a lot of time
to stay.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Kids in an amazing position, you know, to be wanted
by what is going to be the best team in
the Eastern Conference next year. And also this is a
wild card, but if Johanness were to force himself out
of Milwaukee, he loves Chason Kidd and so that puts
the Knicks and the catbird seat to be one of
the teams that Jannis would want to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
How could they get him?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean it'd be like Karl Anthony Towns and Michale
Bridges that sort of a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Wow, you know, but I mean if I'm you know,
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's so weird that we haven't heard anything on Janni's
I'm not one hundred percent sure that he's going to
force his way out of there, and there's no way
for the Mavericks to get him without giving up Cooper flag.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
To get Jannis, now, I wouldn't even entertain he's like skid.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, the wouldn't you start giving
up all the salary and what takes a get him.
You're not gonna You're gonna be like, you're gonna be
back to that. Okay, if we don't win in the
next six months, we're over.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It sounds a lot better for the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You're giving up Karl Anthony Towns, who sucks in comparison
to Giannis.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, and you'd have to get it like Michale Bridge.
You'd have to give up a lot. But I think
Jalen Brunson and Jannie that's what Jannis wanted with Dame
in Milwaukee, right. So anyways, it's just interesting to watch.
And you know, I can tell you this, the Knicks
have a couple picks, not a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They have their own pick.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think in twenty six I think they have Washington's
pick that they're hanging on.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Twenty thirteen, Doc Rivers is traded from the Celtics to
the Clippers for a first round pick.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Okay, twenty thirteen. Gosh thirteen, So it was a twenty
fifteen first round pick.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And then in twenty fourteen the Nets traded Jason Kids
to the Bucks for two second round picks. Yeah, kid's
been traded before.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The president we have for that, though we didn't have it,
and that's like a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, man, a Knick's first round pick in twenty six
is not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's going to be second b. Yeah, it's going to
be been to the fuck Washington pick. We guys to
give up that Washington pick.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's it's top eight protected next year, which Washington's going
to be a bottom four.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, all right, interesting stuff there. Could the Mavericks be
trading Jason Kidd? That's that's pretty crazy, all right. Coming
up next in the wayback machine, let's revisit the East
Texas Sports Boys. This is coming up as just over
three minutes, So don't go anywhere here on a Friday,
keeping you smile
Reach down and grab a couple of plump tomatoes. It's
time for sports ketchup. Catchupun sports sports catcher, catchup, buns.
I would totally go see that man in the eighties. Man,
(00:21):
that man sounds great. Uh you'all want to catch up
on the j Kid thing?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, yes, very so.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Mark Stein, who used to broadcast in this very studio,
had a report to He had a report Tuesday that
the Knicks were going to ask permission to talk to
Jason Kidd, and you know, we talked about the other
day and then we talked about the connections that made
sense as to why there was a kid Nick's connection.
Now he had another report today saying they have asked
(00:51):
for permission now, so it's escalated and it's now are
the Mavericks going to give them permission?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Udoka, the coach of the Houston Rockets. Houston, according to Stein,
has put out a word that you can ask permission.
You ain't getting it. We're not coming off of him now.
I have not heard what the Mavericks are or aren't
going to do. But as Stein got into it, you know,
we talked about the connection with you know, Jalen Brunson.
We talked about Casey Smith and I had mentioned this
(01:20):
the other day and Stein talked a little bit about it.
You know, Casey was involved in getting Kid hired here
there was a group of guys that worked with Cuban.
But I've seen a lot of people out there on
the internet be like, Okay, well if you're getting rid
of Kid, like, why wouldn't you get rid of Nico?
And I don't know if people remember Nico and Kid
(01:40):
were hired independently of one another. That was not Nico's hire.
Nico was in the process of getting hired when Kid
got hired, so they were not They knew each other,
but they were not hey, this is the GM and
here's my coach. They were an arranged marriage and then
they had a lot of success together. So I don't
know that, you know, I know that they've found ways
(02:02):
to work together, but I don't know that Kid has
some strong allegiance to Nico and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
But they've done a good job working together.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So do we know if Nico has his own guy,
Like like if the Mavericks came off a Jay Kidd
and hopefully they'd get something good in return if they
did that and essentially traded their coach. Would they just
take one of the in house guys or does Nico
have a relationship with some coach out there.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That's the really interesting thing.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I'm sure he does, but I don't know it because
usually an executive comes from some tree and you can
start connecting dots.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I mean, I don't know who that would be.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It'd have to be US Olympics, right, like it would
be like the USA guys.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So or maybe you know, when he was with Nike,
there's a guy like you know that was a Nike client.
That's a I mean, I don't know. I'm totally speculating.
But they have two highly coveted guys on their staff.
Jared Dudley is highly coveted and Sean Sweeney almost got
the Phoenix job, right, and so he's he's highly respected
and in there's talk that Memphis is interested in stealing
(03:06):
Dudley to be an assistant there and that Sweeney's gonna
get Oh Sweeney.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Apparently the San Antonio Spurs want him to be on
their staff.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Why wouldn't you just do what Jerry Jones won't do
and just say, who is the greatest coach on earth?
Who's available, Let's go get that guy because we have
so much to lose here. Yeah, we can't mess this up.
I don't know that I want to roll the dice
with a young guy. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not.
But why wouldn't you just say, who is the greatest
coach on earth? Who's available, Let's go get him?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I think that'd be good. And I like Tom Cruise,
Like Tom Cruise, even go get him? And also like
Sean Sweeney's been here and I've watched him run practice,
like players are familiar with him.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
But I also don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, so much of this has to do with
Kyrie and Anthony Davis and who they like. Anthony Davis
played with Jared Dudley in LA when they want a championship, right,
So there's that kind of an idea. There's also keep
in mind, which I had forgotten about this until I
read Stein's article, Kid interviewed with the Knicks when Thibodeaux
got the job, and apparently did really well in the interview,
(04:04):
but they went with Tibbs. So there's other connections there
besides the brunch and the Casey thing.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't think and I don't know this.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't think kids looking to get out of here,
but I think kids like probably going, oh, this is
pretty awesome because the Western Conference as hard as hell,
and the Eastern Conference Celtics are being dismantled. The Pacers,
you know, we talked about them earlier. They're lightning in
a bottle. So if you're looking at getting to the finals, man,
(04:34):
the Knicks are going to be front.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Runners next year in the Eastern Conference. You still have
a contender with the number one pick, which is rare.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yep. That seems to buy you a lot of time
to stay.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Kids in an amazing position, you know, to be wanted
by what is going to be the best team in
the Eastern Conference next year. And also this is a
wild card, but if Johanness were to force himself out
of Milwaukee, he loves Chason Kidd and so that puts
the Knicks and the catbird seat to be one of
the teams that Jannis would want to go to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
How could they get him?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean it'd be like Karl Anthony Towns and Michale
Bridges that sort of a thing.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Wow, you know, but I mean if I'm you know,
I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
It's so weird that we haven't heard anything on Janni's
I'm not one hundred percent sure that he's going to
force his way out of there, and there's no way
for the Mavericks to get him without giving up Cooper flag.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
To get Jannis, now, I wouldn't even entertain he's like skid.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but I'm saying, like, the wouldn't you start giving
up all the salary and what takes a get him.
You're not gonna You're gonna be like, you're gonna be
back to that. Okay, if we don't win in the
next six months, we're over.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It sounds a lot better for the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You're giving up Karl Anthony Towns, who sucks in comparison
to Giannis.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, and you'd have to get it like Michale Bridge.
You'd have to give up a lot. But I think
Jalen Brunson and Jannie that's what Jannis wanted with Dame
in Milwaukee, right. So anyways, it's just interesting to watch.
And you know, I can tell you this, the Knicks
have a couple picks, not a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They have their own pick.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I think in twenty six I think they have Washington's
pick that they're hanging on.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Twenty thirteen, Doc Rivers is traded from the Celtics to
the Clippers for a first round pick.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Okay, twenty thirteen. Gosh thirteen, So it was a twenty
fifteen first round pick.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And then in twenty fourteen the Nets traded Jason Kids
to the Bucks for two second round picks. Yeah, kid's
been traded before.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The president we have for that, though we didn't have it,
and that's like a decade ago.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, man, a Knick's first round pick in twenty six
is not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
It's going to be second b. Yeah, it's going to
be been to the fuck Washington pick. We guys to
give up that Washington pick.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's it's top eight protected next year, which Washington's going
to be a bottom four.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, all right, interesting stuff there. Could the Mavericks be
trading Jason Kidd? That's that's pretty crazy, all right. Coming
up next in the wayback machine, let's revisit the East
Texas Sports Boys. This is coming up as just over
three minutes, So don't go anywhere here on a Friday,
keeping you smile
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