May 29, 2025 • 8 mins
“Can a crawfish boil and a Whataburger breakfast really build a winning football culture?”In this laugh-out-loud and thought-provoking episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive headfirst into the curious case of Brian Schottenheimer, the newly minted head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Is he a genuine culture-builder or just another coach playing a role?From Troy Aikman’s TV cynicism to Schottenheimer’s over-caffeinated energy, the crew dissects the hype, the headlines, and the hilarity surrounding the Cowboys’ offseason. You’ll hear about:
- 🍔 Whataburger diplomacy: Schottenheimer feeds the entire Cowboys facility—including accounting and HR—with breakfast burgers. Is this team bonding or just bulking season?
- 🏌️♂️ Putting competitions and pizza ovens: The team’s offseason activities sound more like a backyard bash than a football camp.
- 🐶 The forgotten dog name: Schottenheimer claims to care deeply about his players—but forgets the name of Javonte Williams’ dog mid-interview. Oops.
- 🧊 Ice skating injuries waiting to happen: A planned hockey competition to honor the Dallas Stars has the crew nervously laughing about potential player injuries.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm loving what we have lined up for this hour.
I think you're gonna have a lot of fun and
we're gonna get into some one hit wonders here at
the bottom of the hour. But this is a very
important topic that all of the Metroplex cares about right now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's time for this. You all wont from Cowboys too,
good Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I actually don't think it's an important topic, but I
want to bring it to the air because I do
think it's kind of a It's a philosophical thing.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
They don't undersell this, man, what are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's not important? Is the most important topic of the day.
It did hit home last night. I saw Troy Aikman
on one of the news channels doing an interview and
he was kind of doing this cynical thing too. No,
I don't think he was doing it on purpose, but
he was saying, here are a lot of positive things
about a lot of teams this time of year, which
is true, but right now, the shoddy hype is real.
(00:54):
For as much as he was just destroyed for being
hired as the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
because people wanted the Cowboys to do a more exhaustive
search for the head coach, the much maligned shoddy Brian Schottenheimer,
the offensive coordinator last year, but not the play caller.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Loved our offense last year? Why he didn't he didn't
call place, all right? What his offense was it? I
think he was just there, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
The point is, then a week or two later, the
MAVs trade Luca and goes to Hell and handbasket. So
now we get to hear a little more shoddy around
draft time and into the off season, and they have
off season workouts, and I'll be damned if there's not
a lot of people who are very bullish on shoddy.
(01:38):
Bullish means you think it's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Bearish is bad, right. I have read some of these
articles as well. This happens often with new coaches. But
this is interesting to me because I'm struggling as I
and I've gotten less so as I've gotten older, but
I'm still still struggling with this and to not be
cynical about things like this.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, you're inherently cynical, I think a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But I'm trying to, you know, yeah, try to wash
yourself clean of some of these things, dance yourself clean.
So you know your articles about how he is a
you know, very positive, energetic.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We've seen all this stuff. Rookie running back, Jade on blue.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think we're just gonna go jade and blue, right,
So I just don't like how it's spelled. Yeah, jade
and blue uplifting. Somebody could be having a bad day
and he comes in starts screaming. That helps me a
coach that can relate to like that, that helps me
be better.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Screaming. Yeah that's weird.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, what stands out to you New Cowboys wide receiver
George Pickens Energy? This is a business where a guy
like Shoddy he can bring the energy every day.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
No matter what the energy is, he's going to bring it.
Let's go back to the screaming thing.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I guess, Dak, he's doing just a hell of a job.
He's just doing a hell of a job building the
culture and in a sense starting over and understanding that
we do have to do it from the ground up.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's been fun. Okay, he sounds over caffey. So you
have all this.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Stuff and I'm like, okay, so what specifically are you
doing to do this? Because just being a coach, there's
a lot that you have to do, you know, wear
a lot of hats.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Now it's a little different.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's why I think judging Brian Schottenheimer on his past
is not fair, right, you should judge him on what
he shows.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You as his first time as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Sometimes they had a crawfish boil first to have off
season workouts, So.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Why not give the job to broad Us. He's one
of the best crawfish oil guys.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I know they were cooking pizzas and many brick ovens
in so basically just a backyard in Allen. They are
having a barbecue cookout after team meetings on Wednesdays.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So these guys are gonna be fat. Yeah, I know
he's in Vetom.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He came in and brought everyone Waterburger breakfast and to
everyone in the building, they're.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Gonna be real fatal fat.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Waburger is delicious, Accounting, marketing, human resources, Joan and payroll.
They'll let the front desk. He brought him water Burger
and Terry's and his d.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You remember, you remember the story though, where Parcels would
put all that fast food out and then shame anybody
that ate it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Remember the story Parcels would do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
He would put fast food like this out, and then
if players start eating it, he would start shaming them.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh, you don't care about your fitness. Huh.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Meanwhile, he's got a giant bag of fast food behind
his desk, big old, fat, sloppy Parcels.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now, he's also been gathering a handful of players together
every night and taking.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Them to Denver to dinner. What if he took them
to Denver them going back? Dude, I want to take
you guys out the Red Rocks, getting them all high
on edibles and then going away.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
No, but you know, because it's really easy to take
someone to dinner when you know you have a Cowboys
members only speak easy, a club that you can go
in that's pretty exclusive.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, a nice little restaurant up there at the Star. Yeah,
he's been taking it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's the beauty of the Star. There's a lot of
nooks and crannies, the cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Schottenheimer said, And try something here, Oh try shoddy, shoddy voice.
Excuse me, it's you know, a rough draft. Yep. Hold on, Eric,
Now I should have said it, because you're judgment.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We try to get four or five or six guys
together and talk about life because he's got a little
sh You hear that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You don't need to backsell it to me.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Football rarely comes up. Come on, you take six football
players out to dinner and you're never talking about football.
We do football all day long. We do it all
day long. What I want to know is, I want
to know why Javonte Williams named his dog, what he
named his dog, and where does this story come from?
And all those things hold on, dude, And then they
(05:41):
asked him, what did Gavonte Williams name is dog?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And he didn't know? That was my next question. Sounds
so empty. He didn't know if we want dog names
to remember, that is how you couldn't know. So I
like that he's trying. Is he trying washing the centisism
off my body?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But like in some ways that sounds like a guy
who's performing a role. Like basically, people know if you're
really invested in them or not. And just because he
forgot the dog's name, I'm not saying that equates to he,
but I'm saying there's also like certain coaches will do
stuff in performative fashion, especially first time coaches.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah. Uh you've just got to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
If this is who he is, great, that'll resonate with
the players and they'll connect with it. But if you
come in trying to perform a specific kind of a
role with guys, they will sniff that out so fast.
And if you're like, hey, I want to care all
about Yeah, I love you. Wait, I forgot what's the
name of your kids? Like, that's never gonna cut it. No,
maybe he's learning, Maybe she's actual learning. He was just
(06:47):
on the spot there for Javante's dog. He also put
together a putting competition around the masters, planning an upcoming
hockey competition to honor the Dallas Stars run through the playoffs. Okay,
did we not do free throw shooting contest at a
Cowboys camp when we were out there? No?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It was Rangers right, Well, that was the old Pete
Carroll thing, the many hoop?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I mean, did did did Garrett not take Joseph Randa
to the beach and give us that incredible ten minute
Joseph Randall's story?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Like this is why, this is why.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Aikman was cynical on TV. This is these are fine dude,
and I get it. We need content, but none of
this is gonna matter if those players don't believe in
him in week three.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Or if he's just not a good play caller, or
if he's a really good play caller right either, even
if it works out.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
None of this matters. I mean, I tell you what.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It beats the alternative of, Hey, all the players think
he's an a hole three weeks into this thing. That's
better than that. Sure, unless it puts him on edge
and they perform better.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I can think of. Is there one of them is
going to get hurt if they try to ice skate? Yeah,
this should be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We don't need to do that. We learned leave it
to the stars. I think what we learned is that
I'm at least cynical. It's the Ben and Skin Show
ninety seven point one, The Eagle coming up next in
the weekdate did a coyote attack help a kid get
into the spelling Bee? KT has all the details next
right here on the Eagle
I'm loving what we have lined up for this hour.
I think you're gonna have a lot of fun and
we're gonna get into some one hit wonders here at
the bottom of the hour. But this is a very
important topic that all of the Metroplex cares about right now.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's time for this. You all wont from Cowboys too,
good Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I actually don't think it's an important topic, but I
want to bring it to the air because I do
think it's kind of a It's a philosophical thing.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
They don't undersell this, man, what are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It's not important? Is the most important topic of the day.
It did hit home last night. I saw Troy Aikman
on one of the news channels doing an interview and
he was kind of doing this cynical thing too. No,
I don't think he was doing it on purpose, but
he was saying, here are a lot of positive things
about a lot of teams this time of year, which
is true, but right now, the shoddy hype is real.
(00:54):
For as much as he was just destroyed for being
hired as the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys,
because people wanted the Cowboys to do a more exhaustive
search for the head coach, the much maligned shoddy Brian Schottenheimer,
the offensive coordinator last year, but not the play caller.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Loved our offense last year? Why he didn't he didn't
call place, all right? What his offense was it? I
think he was just there, all right.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
The point is, then a week or two later, the
MAVs trade Luca and goes to Hell and handbasket. So
now we get to hear a little more shoddy around
draft time and into the off season, and they have
off season workouts, and I'll be damned if there's not
a lot of people who are very bullish on shoddy.
(01:38):
Bullish means you think it's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Bearish is bad, right. I have read some of these
articles as well. This happens often with new coaches. But
this is interesting to me because I'm struggling as I
and I've gotten less so as I've gotten older, but
I'm still still struggling with this and to not be
cynical about things like this.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, you're inherently cynical, I think a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
But I'm trying to, you know, yeah, try to wash
yourself clean of some of these things, dance yourself clean.
So you know your articles about how he is a
you know, very positive, energetic.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We've seen all this stuff. Rookie running back, Jade on blue.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I think we're just gonna go jade and blue, right,
So I just don't like how it's spelled. Yeah, jade
and blue uplifting. Somebody could be having a bad day
and he comes in starts screaming. That helps me a
coach that can relate to like that, that helps me
be better.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Screaming. Yeah that's weird.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, what stands out to you New Cowboys wide receiver
George Pickens Energy? This is a business where a guy
like Shoddy he can bring the energy every day.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
No matter what the energy is, he's going to bring it.
Let's go back to the screaming thing.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I guess, Dak, he's doing just a hell of a job.
He's just doing a hell of a job building the
culture and in a sense starting over and understanding that
we do have to do it from the ground up.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It's been fun. Okay, he sounds over caffey. So you
have all this.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Stuff and I'm like, okay, so what specifically are you
doing to do this? Because just being a coach, there's
a lot that you have to do, you know, wear
a lot of hats.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Now it's a little different.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
That's why I think judging Brian Schottenheimer on his past
is not fair, right, you should judge him on what
he shows.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
You as his first time as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Sometimes they had a crawfish boil first to have off
season workouts, So.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Why not give the job to broad Us. He's one
of the best crawfish oil guys.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I know they were cooking pizzas and many brick ovens
in so basically just a backyard in Allen. They are
having a barbecue cookout after team meetings on Wednesdays.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So these guys are gonna be fat. Yeah, I know
he's in Vetom.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He came in and brought everyone Waterburger breakfast and to
everyone in the building, they're.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Gonna be real fatal fat.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Waburger is delicious, Accounting, marketing, human resources, Joan and payroll.
They'll let the front desk. He brought him water Burger
and Terry's and his d.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
You remember, you remember the story though, where Parcels would
put all that fast food out and then shame anybody
that ate it.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Remember the story Parcels would do.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
He would put fast food like this out, and then
if players start eating it, he would start shaming them.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh, you don't care about your fitness. Huh.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Meanwhile, he's got a giant bag of fast food behind
his desk, big old, fat, sloppy Parcels.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Now, he's also been gathering a handful of players together
every night and taking.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Them to Denver to dinner. What if he took them
to Denver them going back? Dude, I want to take
you guys out the Red Rocks, getting them all high
on edibles and then going away.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
No, but you know, because it's really easy to take
someone to dinner when you know you have a Cowboys
members only speak easy, a club that you can go
in that's pretty exclusive.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, a nice little restaurant up there at the Star. Yeah,
he's been taking it.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's the beauty of the Star. There's a lot of
nooks and crannies, the cool stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Schottenheimer said, And try something here, Oh try shoddy, shoddy voice.
Excuse me, it's you know, a rough draft. Yep. Hold on, Eric,
Now I should have said it, because you're judgment.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We try to get four or five or six guys
together and talk about life because he's got a little
sh You hear that.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
You don't need to backsell it to me.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Football rarely comes up. Come on, you take six football
players out to dinner and you're never talking about football.
We do football all day long. We do it all
day long. What I want to know is, I want
to know why Javonte Williams named his dog, what he
named his dog, and where does this story come from?
And all those things hold on, dude, And then they
(05:41):
asked him, what did Gavonte Williams name is dog?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And he didn't know? That was my next question. Sounds
so empty. He didn't know if we want dog names
to remember, that is how you couldn't know. So I
like that he's trying. Is he trying washing the centisism
off my body?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
But like in some ways that sounds like a guy
who's performing a role. Like basically, people know if you're
really invested in them or not. And just because he
forgot the dog's name, I'm not saying that equates to he,
but I'm saying there's also like certain coaches will do
stuff in performative fashion, especially first time coaches.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah. Uh you've just got to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
If this is who he is, great, that'll resonate with
the players and they'll connect with it. But if you
come in trying to perform a specific kind of a
role with guys, they will sniff that out so fast.
And if you're like, hey, I want to care all
about Yeah, I love you. Wait, I forgot what's the
name of your kids? Like, that's never gonna cut it. No,
maybe he's learning, Maybe she's actual learning. He was just
(06:47):
on the spot there for Javante's dog. He also put
together a putting competition around the masters, planning an upcoming
hockey competition to honor the Dallas Stars run through the playoffs. Okay,
did we not do free throw shooting contest at a
Cowboys camp when we were out there? No?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
It was Rangers right, Well, that was the old Pete
Carroll thing, the many hoop?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I mean, did did did Garrett not take Joseph Randa
to the beach and give us that incredible ten minute
Joseph Randall's story?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Like this is why, this is why.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Aikman was cynical on TV. This is these are fine dude,
and I get it. We need content, but none of
this is gonna matter if those players don't believe in
him in week three.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Or if he's just not a good play caller, or
if he's a really good play caller right either, even
if it works out.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
None of this matters. I mean, I tell you what.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It beats the alternative of, Hey, all the players think
he's an a hole three weeks into this thing. That's
better than that. Sure, unless it puts him on edge
and they perform better.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I can think of. Is there one of them is
going to get hurt if they try to ice skate? Yeah,
this should be doing.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We don't need to do that. We learned leave it
to the stars. I think what we learned is that
I'm at least cynical. It's the Ben and Skin Show
ninety seven point one, The Eagle coming up next in
the weekdate did a coyote attack help a kid get
into the spelling Bee? KT has all the details next
right here on the Eagle
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