October 15, 2025 • 7 mins
Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the Dallas Mavericks’ decision to extend head coach Jason Kidd’s contract — and what it means for the future of the franchise.From Kidd’s redemption arc to his role in unlocking the potential of Cooper Flag, the crew breaks down the coaching dynamics, the front office politics, and the fanbase’s fiery reactions. KT drops a bold take: “There’s something to be said about stability in a franchise,” only to immediately brace for Mavs Reddit backlash.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now it's come around the sports k Tod Quins as
all the sports. Yes come.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
After our show last night, the Dallas Mavericks announced a
multi year contract extension for head coach Jason Kidd.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
This is the first time I believe as a coach
he's gotten two contract extensions at the same place.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh yeah, wow makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, I mean the original, an extension and then another extension.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, because he uh you know, there's let's Yeah, there
was a reputation he had developed of being difficult and
running guys off and all this stuff. And then he
went and joined the Lakers staff when they won the
championship in the bubble, and it was like the head
coach was now the Mavericks top assistant, a guy named
(01:35):
Frank Vogel. So he was Vogel's assistant coach when they
won the championship, and now Vogel is his assistant coach.
But before the game on Saturday, the preseason game, uh,
someone asked it about that, and he was in there
talking about it. He's like, Man, we don't really look
at it that way. We look at it as we're
(01:57):
all coaches. I mean, yes, I mean I'm the head
coaching title, but we all contribute. We're all like a
coaching staff. And I don't know if you've looked at
their staff going into this year, Ben, but they got
this guy, Jay Treano that's been a head coach many times.
Offensive guru. Frank Vogel is a defensive guru, and it
kind of reminds me a little bit of Carlisle, Terry Stotts,
(02:20):
and Dwayne Casey when we won a championship and all
three of those guys were head coaches.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Basically, yeah, it's nice, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And look with regard to the extension, you know, the
way that the Mavericks played and competed after the Luca trade.
Man that speaks volumes like, I don't know how he
motivated them and nobody they didn't ever complain, but sometimes
they didn't. You know, there's a question of would they
(02:48):
even have enough players to suit out. It was a
total s show in terms of you know, roster flexibility,
in terms of the chaos of trading a you know,
a twenty five year old global icon like everything they
went through after that. But the fact that they kept
competing no matter who was out there, I was like,
there's only one consistent here and it's Jay kidds so he.
(03:11):
I mean, everybody deserves credit. The players showed a great character.
Guys kept fighting and competing. But ultimately, when your house
is on fire, which it was after that trade and
they kept competing, I think Jay Kidd deserves immense credit.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
For that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I think he does too. I think those are great points.
I also think that this is a signal to me,
and no one's told me. This is just what I
think they believe. He is the guy that can turn
Cooper Flag into a global superstar. And I think back
to what he did with the Greek Freak. Remember when
he was in Milwaukee. The Greek Freak was not bringing
(03:44):
the ball up until Jay Kid said we're going to
give this guy the ball and we're going to turn
him into a point guard like he saw it. And
what I don't know if you guys watched the preseason
game in Utah the other night, but they started Cooper
Flag at point basically and kind of, you know, are
tinkering with that. And so I would assume, aside from
his good relationship with Ad and Kyrie and obviously you
(04:07):
know has been in the organization now for a while,
I bet that has a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
To do with this.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
If he's the guy that can unlock Cooper Flag the
way that we need him unlocked. Yeah, and I wonder
who made this decision Nico. Now Patrick's got to sign
off on it, right. I imagine every Nico decision is
being scrutinized more heavily. Now I would think, I mean,
when you get that kind of blowback, I would think,
have to you have to?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Can I give an unpopular opinion?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes? At least this is how I do.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Think a large portion of MAVs fans will disagree with this,
and I'm not telling you that I believe it. Oh,
but there is something to be said about stability in
a franchise, having a vision, having a plan no matter
how it comes apart, and having people in their spots.
And I realized ninety five percent of Maths fans want
(04:56):
Nico fired, Like, I get it. Go to MAVs redd
it sometimes and it's a lot of the same stuff. Yeah,
so I get all that, But there's something to be
said with think, this is how we're doing things, and
we have our people in place, and they're staying, and
maybe the roster kind of sticks together.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm just I would say again, I'm gonna get killed
for that by Massol.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Come on, they're gonna kill you for They're gonna kill
you for anything other than the opinion. Fire and Nico
like that's still out there, A good friend of ours
sent me and Ben a text yesterday of some local
celebrity out there yelling at the mayor fire Nico and
posting it online to get followers and all this, and
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The mayor can't fire him, man, just move on. It works.
The mayor doesn't have that power, right Like I would.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I would understand the idea of not moving on if
they hadn't gotten Cooper Flag. Yeah, like even just getting
the fourth pick of the draft, that con Knoople guy
or whatever. Yeah, I can't even believe that it's a
guy's a top five pick, Like, I know he can
shoot lights out.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm watching this slow kind of seems I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm just like, that's what that that's where you're hanging.
You're at if you're you got the number four pick.
The distance between Cooper Flag and everybody else in that
draft was massive, and so Cooper Flag restores hope. I
could be mad about the Luca trade forever there's merit
for that. It was the most garbage ass trash trade ever,
the worst trade in the history of professional sports.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You didn't get near enough return.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But I'm not gonna dwell on that because I'm a
Mavericks fan and hope has been restored with the number
one pick in a year that it matters.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I can't get enough MAVs basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I was prioritizing preseason maps basketball over anything else that
was on college football, prof anything like that. To me,
Watching Cooper Flag has restored my pants excitement for the Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And if you want to join Ben and have your
pants go crazy, you can watch them play the Lakers
in their final preseason game in Las Vegas tonight. And
I'm assuming hearing it right here with Coop and Demeris
on ninety seven point one the Eagle. All right, it's
been in skin show. We got lots to get to.
But coming up next the concept of fast food lobster
(07:04):
here on the Eagle
Gold.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This segment right her brought to you by Franklin Frankel,
really good friends of ours, knowing him a long time.
They've been partners with the show since two thousand and eight,
and they're out there fighting for you when you get
hurt in a wreck or on the job site someone
was careless or negligent, and now you have medical bills
and all these things that you got to deal with
coming out of pocket, missing time from work. The insurance
(00:21):
companies are not there for you. They're not going to
do the things that you really need. That's what Franklin
frankl do. They fight for you and they get you
what you deserve. Call the Frankeles first two, one, four, three, three,
three thirty three thirty three. All right, hey, I want
to talk about fast food lobster. We'll do it coming
up here in about fifteen minutes, but right now it's
time for this.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Now it's come around the sports k Tod Quins as
all the sports. Yes come.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
After our show last night, the Dallas Mavericks announced a
multi year contract extension for head coach Jason Kidd.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
This is the first time I believe as a coach
he's gotten two contract extensions at the same place.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh yeah, wow makes sense.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, I mean the original, an extension and then another extension.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, because he uh you know, there's let's Yeah, there
was a reputation he had developed of being difficult and
running guys off and all this stuff. And then he
went and joined the Lakers staff when they won the
championship in the bubble, and it was like the head
coach was now the Mavericks top assistant, a guy named
(01:35):
Frank Vogel. So he was Vogel's assistant coach when they
won the championship, and now Vogel is his assistant coach.
But before the game on Saturday, the preseason game, uh,
someone asked it about that, and he was in there
talking about it. He's like, Man, we don't really look
at it that way. We look at it as we're
(01:57):
all coaches. I mean, yes, I mean I'm the head
coaching title, but we all contribute. We're all like a
coaching staff. And I don't know if you've looked at
their staff going into this year, Ben, but they got
this guy, Jay Treano that's been a head coach many times.
Offensive guru. Frank Vogel is a defensive guru, and it
kind of reminds me a little bit of Carlisle, Terry Stotts,
(02:20):
and Dwayne Casey when we won a championship and all
three of those guys were head coaches.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Basically, yeah, it's nice, it's uh.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And look with regard to the extension, you know, the
way that the Mavericks played and competed after the Luca trade.
Man that speaks volumes like, I don't know how he
motivated them and nobody they didn't ever complain, but sometimes
they didn't. You know, there's a question of would they
(02:48):
even have enough players to suit out. It was a
total s show in terms of you know, roster flexibility,
in terms of the chaos of trading a you know,
a twenty five year old global icon like everything they
went through after that. But the fact that they kept
competing no matter who was out there, I was like,
there's only one consistent here and it's Jay kidds so he.
(03:11):
I mean, everybody deserves credit. The players showed a great character.
Guys kept fighting and competing. But ultimately, when your house
is on fire, which it was after that trade and
they kept competing, I think Jay Kidd deserves immense credit.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
For that.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I think he does too. I think those are great points.
I also think that this is a signal to me,
and no one's told me. This is just what I
think they believe. He is the guy that can turn
Cooper Flag into a global superstar. And I think back
to what he did with the Greek Freak. Remember when
he was in Milwaukee. The Greek Freak was not bringing
(03:44):
the ball up until Jay Kid said we're going to
give this guy the ball and we're going to turn
him into a point guard like he saw it. And
what I don't know if you guys watched the preseason
game in Utah the other night, but they started Cooper
Flag at point basically and kind of, you know, are
tinkering with that. And so I would assume, aside from
his good relationship with Ad and Kyrie and obviously you
(04:07):
know has been in the organization now for a while,
I bet that has a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
To do with this.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
If he's the guy that can unlock Cooper Flag the
way that we need him unlocked. Yeah, and I wonder
who made this decision Nico. Now Patrick's got to sign
off on it, right. I imagine every Nico decision is
being scrutinized more heavily. Now I would think, I mean,
when you get that kind of blowback, I would think,
have to you have to?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Can I give an unpopular opinion?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes? At least this is how I do.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Think a large portion of MAVs fans will disagree with this,
and I'm not telling you that I believe it. Oh,
but there is something to be said about stability in
a franchise, having a vision, having a plan no matter
how it comes apart, and having people in their spots.
And I realized ninety five percent of Maths fans want
(04:56):
Nico fired, Like, I get it. Go to MAVs redd
it sometimes and it's a lot of the same stuff. Yeah,
so I get all that, But there's something to be
said with think, this is how we're doing things, and
we have our people in place, and they're staying, and
maybe the roster kind of sticks together.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I'm just I would say again, I'm gonna get killed
for that by Massol.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, you're not.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Come on, they're gonna kill you for They're gonna kill
you for anything other than the opinion. Fire and Nico
like that's still out there, A good friend of ours
sent me and Ben a text yesterday of some local
celebrity out there yelling at the mayor fire Nico and
posting it online to get followers and all this, and
I'm like.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
The mayor can't fire him, man, just move on. It works.
The mayor doesn't have that power, right Like I would.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I would understand the idea of not moving on if
they hadn't gotten Cooper Flag. Yeah, like even just getting
the fourth pick of the draft, that con Knoople guy
or whatever. Yeah, I can't even believe that it's a
guy's a top five pick, Like, I know he can
shoot lights out.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm watching this slow kind of seems I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I'm just like, that's what that that's where you're hanging.
You're at if you're you got the number four pick.
The distance between Cooper Flag and everybody else in that
draft was massive, and so Cooper Flag restores hope. I
could be mad about the Luca trade forever there's merit
for that. It was the most garbage ass trash trade ever,
the worst trade in the history of professional sports.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You didn't get near enough return.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But I'm not gonna dwell on that because I'm a
Mavericks fan and hope has been restored with the number
one pick in a year that it matters.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I can't get enough MAVs basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I was prioritizing preseason maps basketball over anything else that
was on college football, prof anything like that. To me,
Watching Cooper Flag has restored my pants excitement for the Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's really fun.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And if you want to join Ben and have your
pants go crazy, you can watch them play the Lakers
in their final preseason game in Las Vegas tonight. And
I'm assuming hearing it right here with Coop and Demeris
on ninety seven point one the Eagle. All right, it's
been in skin show. We got lots to get to.
But coming up next the concept of fast food lobster
(07:04):
here on the Eagle
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