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October 28, 2025 12 mins
”“Is Kenny Loggins the Cooper Flagg of songwriting?”In this laugh-packed episode of The Ben and Skin Show, the crew dives headfirst into a chaotic and hilarious Snake Draft of the National Songwriters Hall of Fame nominees—and things get weird fast.Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray battle it out, drafting legends like Kenny Loggins, Taylor Swift, LL Cool J, and David Byrne, while passionately defending their picks and ruthlessly eliminating each other’s teams. The stakes? Bragging rights and the eternal glory of having the best imaginary songwriting supergroup.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben and Skin show. Now he's on point one.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
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It's going to be so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
We're gonna be at Pluckers Friday afternoon, and then right
after I'm heading straight to Rollertown for the Halloween party.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Can't wait. But right now it's time for this. A
thing's big, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
We have thirteen nominees for the National Songwriters Hall of Fame.
It's not the most prestigious, but I thought of a
way to make this interesting for everyone. So have your
thoughts ready. I have already got a snake draft in order.
I spun the wheel for time, I didn't spend it
on the The order of the Snake draft is Ben
kat Skin Christina rigged?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:05):
How's it rigged? You don't have time to explain You're rigging.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Ben Kevin Skin Christina. In background, You'll be selecting three
players each and then I'll tell you where it goes
from there. Here are your nominees. Jerry Buckley and Dewey
Banell of America, David Byrne of The Talking Heads, Richard
Carpenter of The Carpenters, Harry Wayne Casey of the of

(02:31):
Casey in the Sunset Shine Band, Randy Bachman and Burton
Cummings of the Guess Who, American Woman, Gene Simmons and
Paul Stanley of Kiss, Kenny log Ins, Sarah McLaughlin, Pink
Boz Skaggs, l L Cool, j Taylor Swift and the

(02:52):
Go Gos.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Kenny log Ins but what is his password? Wow?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
That's pretty good, like solid, like a deadfval. Everyone else,
I'll join your roller down this weekendbrate that.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'll toast you there. Okay, Ben, you got the first
pick in this draft.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh man, Uh, there's so many superstars on this stage.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
But uh man, I look at this list and I
think who had the balls to realize that the only
way to get to the danger zone was to road
trip on a highway?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Give me Kenny Loggins.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
This hurts me. I think he is the clear number
one pick of this draft. I think he's the Cooper
Flag of this draft.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I seriously think it's a no brainer. I think the
distance between him and number two is vast. I would
really like to toast your number one pick.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
Very happy with this. Thanks fantastic. All right, Ben's got
that Kenny Loggins. I'll take David Byrne of the Talking Hits.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I feel like he set himself up before you in
the draft to take him away from you. Well, let
me just say someone, You guys know I love the
Talking Heads. I think they're amazing. David Byrne's lyrics are fantastic.
I do not think he is strong in the melody department.
I think he's a later round pick as someone who
I id a lot in your face. Kat Okay, Richard

(04:21):
Carpenter is my pick of the Carpenters.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
He is an incredible songwriter.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Okay, this is Songwriters Hall of Fame, not performers, Yes,
Songwriters Hall of Fame, Christina.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
I'm gonna go with someone who I think is the
youngest one on this list. I'm kind of shocked she's
on here. But give me Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
She's great. Taylor Swift and Christina you get to go
again on the Snake Draft.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Oh yeah, okay, sorry, I had to anyways, I'm gonna
go because I was typing my name as always saying it.
I'm gonna go with the guests who I have the
greatest hits album of theirs. I used to love that
when I was younger.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Plus she liked that scene Super Bad where they sing
these Eyes, Yes, these Eyes is.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
An incredible song. So okay.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I love Casey and the Sunshine Band. I mean no,
They're more of a funk band than a disco band.
Great melodies, great harmonies, give me not great lyrics, but
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Give me Casey in the Sunshine Band, Harry Wayne Casey.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Uh Okay, Look, dude, when you have a song called
love Gun, you're getting in the Songwriting Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Give me Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley, so well done.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
No place for hiding Baby, No place to run you
pull the trigger. Can't hear you? Tokyo what.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's an incredible drop.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
You can't forget me, baby, don't try to lie. You'll
never leave me, Mama, don't try. I'll be your gambler. Baby,
lay down the bet we get together, Mama, I'll make
you sweat. Oh, no place for hiding, baby, no place
to run. You pull the trigger of my love gun.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's good. That is really good.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Nominated for songwriters.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, L L cool J is hard as half.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah'll give me hello cool J? All right, Ben, you
get to go again.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Snake Draft shout out to snakes plus.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
All right, we're only allowed to do the Snake draft
because of their support.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, their incredible support. It's nice. Let's see, do I
know any of these people? I'm gonna pass give me
Pink is right, pink. I'll take pink. Ben takes pink.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Love Gun is about her. I don't think there's one involved.
I will take you, know what.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, if you can ever write a song that reminds
people of battered dogs, you at least you're remembered for it.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Sarah Macland.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, all right, this is tough. I can't believe they're
both available. I love I might draft the Go Gos
just for the bridge on our lips are sealed alone.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
What a great, great bridge.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
But give me Dallas Site bos Skags all right, the
dirty low down.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Former OU linebacker.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
All right, Christina, Secretly one of my favorite songs. I'm
trying to think of the actual title of Sister Golden
Hair Surprise. Is that what it's called? Oh yeah, that
song is fantastic. Does So it's just America and the
Go Gos left on the list. So for that reason,
I'm going with America. I'm going with America on First

(07:43):
Responders Day.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yeah, right, that the Go Gos are not allowed to
be in these That's just how it goes. Now, everyone
will reset your teams. What you're going to do is
you're going to write down the team that you would
have liven Okay, you'll write it down on a piece
of paper.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Who do you think has the worst team? All right?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
And then we will narrow this down. So Ben has
Kenny Loggins, LLL cool J and peek Ken has Richard Carpenter,
Harry Wayne Casey and Boss Skaggs.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
The middle guy who was a serial killer.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I have David Byrne, Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley and
Sarah McLaughlin. Christina has Taylor Swift the guess who in America?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So we write down who we eliminate, Yes, write down
who you would eliminate.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Do we put it in a box? Now just show me,
you show me. He's scribbling a lot. Okay, skin.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Were you?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
He just swadded up paper through to Katie's incredible catch.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Now you can't fig yourself. I hate my team. I
meant to ask that before. You can't. All right, hang on, Yeah,
it's like survivor. You can't yourself out. That's all we're
doing this. All right, fine, I'll just eliminate you. Katie.
You're talking to Christina. No, oh to me. I've talked
to her with respect.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I did write kat down David Burn and kiss get
eliminade kiss for me?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
God?

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I wanted to kiss bad, dude.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So bad.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I already had the love gun lyrics pulled up. I'll
trade you. Uh you know what, Now that kiss has
been eliminated, Let's have out, dude, Let's do the waiver wire.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Okay, I'm out here. We go.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Okay, So now it's Ben skinning Christina Ben Kenny Loggins
ll Cool J and Pink Skin, Richard Carpenter, Harry Wayne
Casey and Boss Skaggs. Christina Taylor Swift the guest who
in America?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Did you say? The guest who? The guess who? And
by the way, I won't tell you who. Well, it
doesn't matter. Yes, go ahead, Okay, Christina tell me yours.
I voted Skin because he wanted to vote himself out.
I too will vote Skin.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
You can't vote yourself. I'm gonna get rid of Christina.
Doesn't matter you're out. Wait why because Ben voted Skin too. Dude,
know what, I'm not going to meet you at Rollertown
to celebrate Kenny Loggins anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, they seemed really old and boring.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
I hated my team, So now me and Skin will
have to wear back because it's Ben versus Christina, Ben,
Kenny Loggins, Ll Cool Jay and Pink Christina Taylor Swift
the guess who in America? Ben and Christina's votes would cancel,
So you and I have to come to an agreement
on who is the better team.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
All right, We both like Christina Moore as a person,
but Kenny Loggins is the best songwriter in this group,
and it's not even close it. Dude, you realize he
co wrote What a Fool Believes? Right, Kenny Loggins is.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
A monster, but I think all the bad songs Pink
did knocks him.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Down to that. Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
You go and listen to America and have some fun,
and then when you're tired of that, put on a
Guess Who record and then take a cheese.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Great talk a little more through What did America do?
Horse with no Name? And then we forgot the rest
of their catalog? America woman? Who else? Uh? They these
eyes an American woman? What else?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Just a bunch of Canadian songs? And what Taylor Swift
ever do? Come on, she may be the best songwriter.
She's great.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
She's wildly popular, obviously, and people are going to try
to knock her down because she's so popular.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
But dude, she's a brilliant writer. Do you do you
It's like, I'm don't vote for me. If you want
to vote for yourself, you can do it. No, that's
not the rules.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I almost took Taylor Swift number one. I'll let you decide.
You're you're you're you're on this Kenny Loggins thing. I mean,
l you guys see in Deep Blue and Yellow. Cool
Jay all right, bends out. Christina's out, ever, Ben's out, Christine.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
He's a great actor. Here's the cook and the sharks
were trying to get him in the kid.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'll never forget that time that Kat went and saw
Deep Blue. He looked cool j in the eye and
he said.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Well that'll do it for this one.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
All right, Christina, you're here all night, all right, stickre
out with Christina right here on the eagle.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Here you going. Sorry, I'm going to get some cheeks
after this horse powerge joint.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
All right,
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