October 29, 2025 • 7 mins
“What happens when two hometown teams go from sharing an arena to suing each other over it?”In this high-stakes, drama-packed episode of The Ben and Skin Show, the crew dives deep into the escalating legal feud between the Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars — and it’s messier than a double-overtime playoff game.Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray break down the Mavericks’ 253-page lawsuit accusing the Stars of breaching a decades-old contract by moving their headquarters to Frisco.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's
listening to our show. It's awesome to see ratings doing
quite nicely. Thank y'all very much. You're listening to The
Bin and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle.
We got the Hollywood Shuffle coming up next. A friend
of the show is being put on blast. We got
a major blunder by a local athlete. And the band
Kiss has a new song that is very strange. I
(00:22):
don't know if it's new, it's new to us. Is
this a new song to us us? Yeah, it's new
to us, something that we didn't really know was out there.
So stay tuned for all that. But right now it's
time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's going on in Dallas? All right?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yesterday the MAVs got bored and followed a two hundred
and fifty three page potent petition against the Dallas Stars ownership.
They are alleging that the Stars are in breach of
a claw in their nineteen ninety eight contract with the
American Airlines Center in the city of Dallas. They claimed
that the Stars have also obstructed some maintenance and improvements
(01:10):
at the American Airlines Center, now the Stars headquarters. Has
been located in Frisco since two thousand and three, and
they're saying that there's a clause in the contract that
was written in nineteen ninety eight that says that the
Dallas Stars in Dallas Mavericks must have their corporate headquarters
in the city of Dallas proper. So when five years
after that contract happened, the Stars opened up their headquarters
(01:30):
in Frisco, that's just.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Something that happened a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And then the Mavericks like, you know what, I feel
like we should follow a lawsuit here. Now, there's a
lot more to this than just that. Have you read
anything about the Stars countersuit? You know that came out
this morning from some guy named Sandler. Oh so, yeah,
I didn't read much on that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, there is a counter suit.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They are suing back, and part of their suit is like, yeah,
you guys don't have the authority to say that we
can't move our headquarters.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
That has to be the city of Dallas.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're filing lawsuits that you don't even have the authority
to file. And this is what rich people do when
they're fighting see each other, They sue each other. I mean,
I remember when I was a ninth grader and it
was on the news, so it terrified me. But my dad,
who was a business owner, got sued and the guy
who sued him took it to the news right and
(02:27):
so different era, and so I was like, oh my god,
this is the worst thing that's ever happened. And what
I didn't realize at the time is people sue each
other all the time over all kinds of stuff, and
it doesn't even have to have merit. I mean, this
is probably the most litigious White House we've ever had. Right, Like,
lawsuits are normal business for business people, people that do
(02:49):
business at the highest level. I can't tell you how
many lawsuits that I read about that Mark Cuban and
Ross pro Junior were involved in. Right, It's just a
litigious world. I think there's probably everybody doing it all
the time time. If you're rich, you're suing people, right,
So and upset.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
This says that a couple of the Star the Mass
first raised awareness of this clause last October, which was
two weeks before the Stars backed out of a three
hundred million dollar deal to renovate the American Airlines Center.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What was the date on that? Doesness Ham? Sorry, October
twenty twenty four, so years okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
In the deal, according to the City of Dallas and
the Mavericks, the Stars agreed to remain in the American
Airline Center through twenty sixty one.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wait a bit wo wow, that's like a mortgage.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Which that's what the Mavericks saying, and the Stars are like,
we did not at all agree to this.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We did not back out of a deal.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We we never even got to the like bargaining table
on whatever this deal is. And that's what Brad Alberts,
the Star CEO, says, like, we that's not true, Like
it never got that far.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And the Mavericks in the city are like, we.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Were moving in a direction to renovate the AAC, and
that's that's just this is this is where it's a
lot of this is. This seems very very petty and
obviously about bigger things than anything that truly in this.
I mean, both teams are not going to be playing
in the American Airlines Center once the lease runs out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's that's clear.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I'm assuming I don't know this, but just in reading,
I'm assuming the Mavericks, who own that facility and owned
it with the Stars very much. Probably thought that they
were gonna move out and the Stars were gonna stay
there and it was gonna be their arena, and that
would be good for the Mavericks because that would be
forty to fifty nights, maybe fifty five nights based on playoffs,
(04:32):
in which that facility would be full. And so that's
probably part of what this business arrangement is. You know,
the Mavericks are always going to move to a real
estate venture and probably assume the Stars were gonna stay put,
and the Stars like, we're gonna go do our own
real estate venture, no problem.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
The big question for me is this, how did the
twenty sixty one number get thrown out because the Stars said,
we agreed to a different deal that would have extended
the existing lease with both teams staying at the American
Airline Center through twenty thirty five. Yeah, that makes sense.
The twenty sixty one thing makes no sense at all.
That stadium would absolutely need they would need more renovation
(05:07):
money than what was listed in that suit.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So these these stadiums, you know, these developers are looking
for incentives from cities and things like that to help,
you know, to help offset the cost to do these
extraordinary things and have an entire experiential thing around an arena,
and the idea of having a stadium in a downtown
does not play anymore because people aren't in those buildings
like they were pre pandemic. And so if the idea
(05:32):
of having a downtown stadium works, if you have all
this disposable income and all these corporate people going to
work every day in these huge buildings and then they
pour out of the buildings when they're done working and hell,
let's go to a game. Yeah, or corporations, let's buy
the tickets. If those buildings aren't full, then it's less
advantageous to be located in a downtown area. And so
(05:54):
as a team, at that point, you're like, all right,
who will give us the best incentives to build what
we want to build?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
What city? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And how close can we get to the most disposable
income and also to own more than the arena. The
Stars are saying, we don't own anything but the arena.
We don't own anything around it. So it's not advantageous
from a business like the Rangers have Texas Live and
all those things around it. The Mavericks are going to
build a resort around their new arena. It's like it's
about the real estate and all those things. Even tiny
(06:21):
soccer teams are doing that. Yeah, you know, we know
the Athletico Dallas. There's a soccer team coming in and forth.
All those are all those people with teams are looking
at how do we do a bigger experiential, whole real
estate play. Yeah, and the other thing too. Brad Albert
said that the feud between the Mavericks and the Stars
is the most disappointing thing of his career.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, it's mom and dad. They're fighting. They're getting a
divorce room, and no one likes it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Because what's going to happen is then fans of the
two teams are going to pick sides and all that. Yeah, Like,
you want to be one thing, not pointing in a
world where everybody's pointing fingers at one another. You don't
want to ask the local shorts fans to point fingers
at one another. It's a tough road for the Mavericks too,
because anything they do is going to be received with
(07:07):
raining down booze because they traded Luca. Yeah, so like
any I've already seen the way that everything is being
painted is the MAVs are villainized for anything they do, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. All right,
we'll see how it does, all right. All right, there
you have it, all right. Coming up next, it's the
Hollywood Shuffle. A friend of the show is being put
on blast. We'll talk about it in three minutes.
Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you to everybody who's
listening to our show. It's awesome to see ratings doing
quite nicely. Thank y'all very much. You're listening to The
Bin and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle.
We got the Hollywood Shuffle coming up next. A friend
of the show is being put on blast. We got
a major blunder by a local athlete. And the band
Kiss has a new song that is very strange. I
(00:22):
don't know if it's new, it's new to us. Is
this a new song to us us? Yeah, it's new
to us, something that we didn't really know was out there.
So stay tuned for all that. But right now it's
time for this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
What's going on in Dallas? All right?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yesterday the MAVs got bored and followed a two hundred
and fifty three page potent petition against the Dallas Stars ownership.
They are alleging that the Stars are in breach of
a claw in their nineteen ninety eight contract with the
American Airlines Center in the city of Dallas. They claimed
that the Stars have also obstructed some maintenance and improvements
(01:10):
at the American Airlines Center, now the Stars headquarters. Has
been located in Frisco since two thousand and three, and
they're saying that there's a clause in the contract that
was written in nineteen ninety eight that says that the
Dallas Stars in Dallas Mavericks must have their corporate headquarters
in the city of Dallas proper. So when five years
after that contract happened, the Stars opened up their headquarters
(01:30):
in Frisco, that's just.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Something that happened a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
And then the Mavericks like, you know what, I feel
like we should follow a lawsuit here. Now, there's a
lot more to this than just that. Have you read
anything about the Stars countersuit? You know that came out
this morning from some guy named Sandler. Oh so, yeah,
I didn't read much on that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, there is a counter suit.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
They are suing back, and part of their suit is like, yeah,
you guys don't have the authority to say that we
can't move our headquarters.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
That has to be the city of Dallas.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You're filing lawsuits that you don't even have the authority
to file. And this is what rich people do when
they're fighting see each other, They sue each other. I mean,
I remember when I was a ninth grader and it
was on the news, so it terrified me. But my dad,
who was a business owner, got sued and the guy
who sued him took it to the news right and
(02:27):
so different era, and so I was like, oh my god,
this is the worst thing that's ever happened. And what
I didn't realize at the time is people sue each
other all the time over all kinds of stuff, and
it doesn't even have to have merit. I mean, this
is probably the most litigious White House we've ever had. Right, Like,
lawsuits are normal business for business people, people that do
(02:49):
business at the highest level. I can't tell you how
many lawsuits that I read about that Mark Cuban and
Ross pro Junior were involved in. Right, It's just a
litigious world. I think there's probably everybody doing it all
the time time. If you're rich, you're suing people, right,
So and upset.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
This says that a couple of the Star the Mass
first raised awareness of this clause last October, which was
two weeks before the Stars backed out of a three
hundred million dollar deal to renovate the American Airlines Center.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What was the date on that? Doesness Ham? Sorry, October
twenty twenty four, so years okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
In the deal, according to the City of Dallas and
the Mavericks, the Stars agreed to remain in the American
Airline Center through twenty sixty one.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wait a bit wo wow, that's like a mortgage.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Which that's what the Mavericks saying, and the Stars are like,
we did not at all agree to this.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We did not back out of a deal.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We we never even got to the like bargaining table
on whatever this deal is. And that's what Brad Alberts,
the Star CEO, says, like, we that's not true, Like
it never got that far.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And the Mavericks in the city are like, we.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Were moving in a direction to renovate the AAC, and
that's that's just this is this is where it's a
lot of this is. This seems very very petty and
obviously about bigger things than anything that truly in this.
I mean, both teams are not going to be playing
in the American Airlines Center once the lease runs out.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
It's that's clear.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And I'm assuming I don't know this, but just in reading,
I'm assuming the Mavericks, who own that facility and owned
it with the Stars very much. Probably thought that they
were gonna move out and the Stars were gonna stay
there and it was gonna be their arena, and that
would be good for the Mavericks because that would be
forty to fifty nights, maybe fifty five nights based on playoffs,
(04:32):
in which that facility would be full. And so that's
probably part of what this business arrangement is. You know,
the Mavericks are always going to move to a real
estate venture and probably assume the Stars were gonna stay put,
and the Stars like, we're gonna go do our own
real estate venture, no problem.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
The big question for me is this, how did the
twenty sixty one number get thrown out because the Stars said,
we agreed to a different deal that would have extended
the existing lease with both teams staying at the American
Airline Center through twenty thirty five. Yeah, that makes sense.
The twenty sixty one thing makes no sense at all.
That stadium would absolutely need they would need more renovation
(05:07):
money than what was listed in that suit.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
So these these stadiums, you know, these developers are looking
for incentives from cities and things like that to help,
you know, to help offset the cost to do these
extraordinary things and have an entire experiential thing around an arena,
and the idea of having a stadium in a downtown
does not play anymore because people aren't in those buildings
like they were pre pandemic. And so if the idea
(05:32):
of having a downtown stadium works, if you have all
this disposable income and all these corporate people going to
work every day in these huge buildings and then they
pour out of the buildings when they're done working and hell,
let's go to a game. Yeah, or corporations, let's buy
the tickets. If those buildings aren't full, then it's less
advantageous to be located in a downtown area. And so
(05:54):
as a team, at that point, you're like, all right,
who will give us the best incentives to build what
we want to build?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
What city? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And how close can we get to the most disposable
income and also to own more than the arena. The
Stars are saying, we don't own anything but the arena.
We don't own anything around it. So it's not advantageous
from a business like the Rangers have Texas Live and
all those things around it. The Mavericks are going to
build a resort around their new arena. It's like it's
about the real estate and all those things. Even tiny
(06:21):
soccer teams are doing that. Yeah, you know, we know
the Athletico Dallas. There's a soccer team coming in and forth.
All those are all those people with teams are looking
at how do we do a bigger experiential, whole real
estate play. Yeah, and the other thing too. Brad Albert
said that the feud between the Mavericks and the Stars
is the most disappointing thing of his career.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, it's mom and dad. They're fighting. They're getting a
divorce room, and no one likes it.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Because what's going to happen is then fans of the
two teams are going to pick sides and all that. Yeah, Like,
you want to be one thing, not pointing in a
world where everybody's pointing fingers at one another. You don't
want to ask the local shorts fans to point fingers
at one another. It's a tough road for the Mavericks too,
because anything they do is going to be received with
(07:07):
raining down booze because they traded Luca. Yeah, so like
any I've already seen the way that everything is being
painted is the MAVs are villainized for anything they do, right, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. All right,
we'll see how it does, all right. All right, there
you have it, all right. Coming up next, it's the
Hollywood Shuffle. A friend of the show is being put
on blast. We'll talk about it in three minutes.
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