September 2, 2025 • 8 mins
"Is Micah Parsons’ trade the beginning of the end for the Cowboys… or just the start of something wilder?"In this explosive and laugh-out-loud episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray return from Labor Day weekend with hot mics and even hotter takes. The crew dives deep into the Micah Parsons trade drama, unpacking the ESPN hit piece, Jerry Jones’ power play, and the emotional fallout from fans and players alike.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't do that.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
With eping with I show you're gonna ruling it. We
accept for similar to be pursuing it. Toddled out Shaw
shame through the sewer. Kid, Now what chilling at the Eagle? Yeah,
we're doing it. He is clocking on the dock. Got
a habit for my house or go status? Howard starting
kicking cratit shows that up multiply like a rabbit. Do
(00:32):
then z out crank.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It up, beat the habit. I wan hang out with
my friend lolocking on the radio. My hole boys Kin
talking on the radio. It's time to do this Sponsorgain.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All the Here we go, katting up and all.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Up on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Ah, Yes, hello and welcome everybody. It's the world famous
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle.
Happy Tuesday, everybody. We're back from a labor day, three
day weekend, which makes this short week.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Short week is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, Ben skinned, kt Christina, all hands on deck today,
excited for today show?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are do we ever remote this Friday?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, dude, we're gonna be at We're starting our football
season with Pluckers and Ben. We always do it by
launching at the og location in Dallas Lovers in Greenville.
We have a badass time every single.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Time we go.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, very nice, So yeah, come join us at Pluckers
in Dallas on Friday, very much looking forward to that.
I don't know about you guys, but man, I still
have this Mica trade and all of the drama that
went on with it, still have it stuck in my brain. Well,
we'll get back into it today at five o'clock. But man,
(01:54):
there's there's a there's a David Mulligata, his his agent
is making a press tour today. KT will have this
kind of this this a Micah hit piece that came
out on ESPN today.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can talk about that a little later.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's not going away, and it's not going to go
away because it's such a big deal such you know,
it's rare that a player is coveted and as good
as young as Micah is would get traded, especially right
now in the week before the season starts. But man,
I'm there's a couple things about it that that I
(02:29):
want to talk about because we're not gonna have time
to talk about it later.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Number one is number one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Micah's wearing number one for the Packers and I don't
like it. I think it's unstable. It allows it allows
him to be a kicker or punter if he wants to.
I also know that I'm old and so like I
told you the story of the guy coming in my
living room and it wasn't even someone that I really
liked very much, and he grabbed my son's flat bill
(02:54):
hat off his head and shaped the bill of it,
and I.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Wanted to kill him.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, you know, you don't tell a kid how to
shape the bill of their hat. They do whatever the
hell they want to do. It's they're at going a kid,
you have to wear it like an old man. You
don't have to tell everyone to get off your lawn.
And so is that me just being an old man
not digging a you know, an edge rusher wearing number one?
It feels very college football to me. Yeah, you know,
(03:19):
I don't like what they've done with all the numbers.
What does that mean pass catchers need to wear eighties?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now you sound like an old man. I just Harold Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, in the seventies used to rock like number eighteen, nineteen, careers,
the high teen.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm pretty mud heard about it now. There's like full
wide receiver groups that are like eleven, twelve, thirteen, and fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
How is that your number? It doesn't look good. Yeah,
pass catchers have eighties.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's how we know it. It's how we got to
where we are with this great game. Don't change it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's true, makes this game great again. You know they
say that a woman who's pregnant glows.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Who says that? Have you guys ever heard that? Have
you ever heard that?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I really wanted to him to dangle some more before
she radiates like she's you can tell there's something going
on in her.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
She just is she just she's glowing. That's what they say, right,
That's that's the old adage. Yeah, that's always heard.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I was the woman that's pregnant likes to dip her
pickles and sugar.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I know that's AWESO got pregnant? Why'd you say that
so creepily?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Like you're standing out in front of a country store
with no teeth saying that to a pregnant lady.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yourry accent did come out hard.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You were yelling at someone about the cracker barrel logo change,
and you said that you had You're wearing cutoffs, your
barefoot in front of the only county store and you
got barbecue sauce on your face and your shirtless, and
a pregnant lady just got out of the Mercedes and
you said.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Is it true you like to dip a pickle in sugar?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Herschel back on the barrel, but I would like to
get Ben's back. There is a thing about that is
an old adage that a pregnant lady is glowing, Yeah,
that she looks happy and healthy and she's just uh,
you know right. So I feel like Kat has that look.
You know, he's got that look, and I don't like it.
And the reason is at noe, not physically as a
(05:12):
Packer fan. He is so excited that they just got
Micah and he's having such a hard time like containing it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He is glowing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He's radiating football happiness because they have Micah and he's
a Packers fan.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
This tortured me if I was back at the fan,
I didn't really like that back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh, because it's Cowboys station and.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah and all that stuff and it's time. You know,
that would lead to you know, hosting Cowboys functions and
things like that, and Nah now being or you know,
being in the Cowboys facility non stop. That's stupid. This
should have never been about to happen. Now I don't care,
so I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I called the Mavericks the one and done Boys and
was on their team plan loud right, that's nuts. I
tipped on a podcast Friday and the producer of the
podcast was a Packers fan, and he was holding a
pep rally for himself for the first five minutes, like,
(06:09):
just yelling and cheering. I think this is the best
thing to happen. And you've seen this all over the place.
It's not I'm not making this observation. It's the best
thing that's happened to the Packers since I got Reggie White.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah, maybe me and Aaron Rodgers ended up being pretty good. No,
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But what I'm saying is that change, because I'm telling you,
before you were alive, the Packers were unwatchable.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Oh. I talked to my dad about this on Sunday
and he's like, you're they're probably gonna be bad at
some point in your life, but I don't know when.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, entire life, I've won. Reggie White changed everything we know.
This is cowboy fans because we had to deal with
him on the Eagles, and then he went to the
Packers and then the Packers were instant contenders. This is
what it's like. This is all bloodbath for us as
Cowboy fans. This is all This is all negative or
building towards the future. But there is one narrative, and
you you have mentioned this a little bit that I like,
(06:57):
and I just want to hang a glimmer of hope
on it, and that is well, there's two parts to it.
One that maybe the Cowboys' locker room isn't entirely devastated
by Micah's departure. There is a lot of chatter of that.
We were talking on Friday, you know, about all the
permutations of this and all the things that went in it.
And I was convinced that this was the agent's revenge
on Jerry and he steered Micah there. And since then
(07:20):
there's been a jillion articles to say, Nope, Jerry laid
down the law. And Jerry said that the press or
remember they asked him, Yeah, he said absolutely when they
said you basically came back and said you can only
play on your one year deal. And so they were
going to give him this big contract, and then a
week later they decided that Micah wasn't loyal and they
(07:40):
drew the line in the sand. And there's a really
good article in The Athletic that kind of lays out
what Ben just said. That's like, those guys all respect Micah,
but they're all kind of like, all right, we don't
have to deal with that anymore. And number two, and
you brought this up early on KT, and that is
that Kenny Clark just had a bad year last year. Yeah,
the year really good, one of the best tackles in
(08:02):
the league. Last year, Madden rating dropped all the way
to eighty three. Not a great look for him, not
top twenty defensive tackle. But was he playing out of
position or was he playing hurt? Or is this just
the natural decline of a guy who's about to turn
thirty and has already been in the league nine years. Yeah,
he was a first round pick in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
By combination of all those things.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Daddy, yep.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
But his four year old daughter is excited about the move,
and that's good.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Kenny Clark's a great guy and he's your leader of
your defense.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I saw an interview with him Saturday, and he was like,
you know, sometime we talked about this when they drafted
the kid out of Alabama. It's like you watched an
interview and go, oh my god, yeah Kenny Clark gives
those vibes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, good good, good good good. Maybe it's all gonna
be fun Fursday night.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Maybe let's go all right, coming up next, Skin, where
you gonna take some thing?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Skin is tracking all right.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I read a shocking thing on the Internet this morning,
and I wanted to bounce it off.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You guys,
I won't do that.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
With eping with I show you're gonna ruling it. We
accept for similar to be pursuing it. Toddled out Shaw
shame through the sewer. Kid, Now what chilling at the Eagle? Yeah,
we're doing it. He is clocking on the dock. Got
a habit for my house or go status? Howard starting
kicking cratit shows that up multiply like a rabbit. Do
(00:32):
then z out crank.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It up, beat the habit. I wan hang out with
my friend lolocking on the radio. My hole boys Kin
talking on the radio. It's time to do this Sponsorgain.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
All the Here we go, katting up and all.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Up on the radio.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Ah, Yes, hello and welcome everybody. It's the world famous
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle.
Happy Tuesday, everybody. We're back from a labor day, three
day weekend, which makes this short week.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Short week is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yes, Ben skinned, kt Christina, all hands on deck today,
excited for today show?
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are do we ever remote this Friday?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, dude, we're gonna be at We're starting our football
season with Pluckers and Ben. We always do it by
launching at the og location in Dallas Lovers in Greenville.
We have a badass time every single.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Time we go.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay, very nice, So yeah, come join us at Pluckers
in Dallas on Friday, very much looking forward to that.
I don't know about you guys, but man, I still
have this Mica trade and all of the drama that
went on with it, still have it stuck in my brain. Well,
we'll get back into it today at five o'clock. But man,
(01:54):
there's there's a there's a David Mulligata, his his agent
is making a press tour today. KT will have this
kind of this this a Micah hit piece that came
out on ESPN today.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
We can talk about that a little later.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
It's not going away, and it's not going to go
away because it's such a big deal such you know,
it's rare that a player is coveted and as good
as young as Micah is would get traded, especially right
now in the week before the season starts. But man,
I'm there's a couple things about it that that I
(02:29):
want to talk about because we're not gonna have time
to talk about it later.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Number one is number one.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Micah's wearing number one for the Packers and I don't
like it. I think it's unstable. It allows it allows
him to be a kicker or punter if he wants to.
I also know that I'm old and so like I
told you the story of the guy coming in my
living room and it wasn't even someone that I really
liked very much, and he grabbed my son's flat bill
(02:54):
hat off his head and shaped the bill of it,
and I.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Wanted to kill him.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, you know, you don't tell a kid how to
shape the bill of their hat. They do whatever the
hell they want to do. It's they're at going a kid,
you have to wear it like an old man. You
don't have to tell everyone to get off your lawn.
And so is that me just being an old man
not digging a you know, an edge rusher wearing number one?
It feels very college football to me. Yeah, you know,
(03:19):
I don't like what they've done with all the numbers.
What does that mean pass catchers need to wear eighties?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now you sound like an old man. I just Harold Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You know, in the seventies used to rock like number eighteen, nineteen, careers,
the high teen.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm pretty mud heard about it now. There's like full
wide receiver groups that are like eleven, twelve, thirteen, and fourteen.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
How is that your number? It doesn't look good. Yeah,
pass catchers have eighties.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's how we know it. It's how we got to
where we are with this great game. Don't change it.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
That's true, makes this game great again. You know they
say that a woman who's pregnant glows.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Who says that? Have you guys ever heard that? Have
you ever heard that?
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I really wanted to him to dangle some more before
she radiates like she's you can tell there's something going
on in her.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
She just is she just she's glowing. That's what they say, right,
That's that's the old adage. Yeah, that's always heard.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I was the woman that's pregnant likes to dip her
pickles and sugar.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I know that's AWESO got pregnant? Why'd you say that
so creepily?
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Like you're standing out in front of a country store
with no teeth saying that to a pregnant lady.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yourry accent did come out hard.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You were yelling at someone about the cracker barrel logo change,
and you said that you had You're wearing cutoffs, your
barefoot in front of the only county store and you
got barbecue sauce on your face and your shirtless, and
a pregnant lady just got out of the Mercedes and
you said.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Is it true you like to dip a pickle in sugar?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Herschel back on the barrel, but I would like to
get Ben's back. There is a thing about that is
an old adage that a pregnant lady is glowing, Yeah,
that she looks happy and healthy and she's just uh,
you know right. So I feel like Kat has that look.
You know, he's got that look, and I don't like it.
And the reason is at noe, not physically as a
(05:12):
Packer fan. He is so excited that they just got
Micah and he's having such a hard time like containing it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
He is glowing.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He's radiating football happiness because they have Micah and he's
a Packers fan.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
This tortured me if I was back at the fan,
I didn't really like that back in the day.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh, because it's Cowboys station and.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah and all that stuff and it's time. You know,
that would lead to you know, hosting Cowboys functions and
things like that, and Nah now being or you know,
being in the Cowboys facility non stop. That's stupid. This
should have never been about to happen. Now I don't care,
so I'm very happy.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I called the Mavericks the one and done Boys and
was on their team plan loud right, that's nuts. I
tipped on a podcast Friday and the producer of the
podcast was a Packers fan, and he was holding a
pep rally for himself for the first five minutes, like,
(06:09):
just yelling and cheering. I think this is the best
thing to happen. And you've seen this all over the place.
It's not I'm not making this observation. It's the best
thing that's happened to the Packers since I got Reggie White.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah, maybe me and Aaron Rodgers ended up being pretty good. No,
I know.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But what I'm saying is that change, because I'm telling you,
before you were alive, the Packers were unwatchable.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Oh. I talked to my dad about this on Sunday
and he's like, you're they're probably gonna be bad at
some point in your life, but I don't know when.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, entire life, I've won. Reggie White changed everything we know.
This is cowboy fans because we had to deal with
him on the Eagles, and then he went to the
Packers and then the Packers were instant contenders. This is
what it's like. This is all bloodbath for us as
Cowboy fans. This is all This is all negative or
building towards the future. But there is one narrative, and
you you have mentioned this a little bit that I like,
(06:57):
and I just want to hang a glimmer of hope
on it, and that is well, there's two parts to it.
One that maybe the Cowboys' locker room isn't entirely devastated
by Micah's departure. There is a lot of chatter of that.
We were talking on Friday, you know, about all the
permutations of this and all the things that went in it.
And I was convinced that this was the agent's revenge
on Jerry and he steered Micah there. And since then
(07:20):
there's been a jillion articles to say, Nope, Jerry laid
down the law. And Jerry said that the press or
remember they asked him, Yeah, he said absolutely when they
said you basically came back and said you can only
play on your one year deal. And so they were
going to give him this big contract, and then a
week later they decided that Micah wasn't loyal and they
(07:40):
drew the line in the sand. And there's a really
good article in The Athletic that kind of lays out
what Ben just said. That's like, those guys all respect Micah,
but they're all kind of like, all right, we don't
have to deal with that anymore. And number two, and
you brought this up early on KT, and that is
that Kenny Clark just had a bad year last year. Yeah,
the year really good, one of the best tackles in
(08:02):
the league. Last year, Madden rating dropped all the way
to eighty three. Not a great look for him, not
top twenty defensive tackle. But was he playing out of
position or was he playing hurt? Or is this just
the natural decline of a guy who's about to turn
thirty and has already been in the league nine years. Yeah,
he was a first round pick in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
By combination of all those things.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Daddy, yep.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
But his four year old daughter is excited about the move,
and that's good.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Kenny Clark's a great guy and he's your leader of
your defense.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I saw an interview with him Saturday, and he was like,
you know, sometime we talked about this when they drafted
the kid out of Alabama. It's like you watched an
interview and go, oh my god, yeah Kenny Clark gives
those vibes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, good good, good good good. Maybe it's all gonna
be fun Fursday night.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Maybe let's go all right, coming up next, Skin, where
you gonna take some thing?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Skin is tracking all right.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I read a shocking thing on the Internet this morning,
and I wanted to bounce it off.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You guys,
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