August 26, 2025 • 6 mins
"Is Jerry Jones negotiating contracts… through players’ moms?"In this can't-miss episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray peel back the curtain on the latest drama surrounding Micah Parsons’ contract situation—and it’s not just about money. It’s about moms, media optics, and the Cowboys’ classic playbook of stretching negotiations for maximum spectacle.The crew breaks down the bizarre and hilarious moment when Jerry Jones was caught on video joking with Micah’s mother at the stadium.From there, the conversation spirals into Jerry’s long-standing obsession with befriending players’ mothers. But it’s not all Cowboys chaos—Ben and Skin also dive into the Mavericks’ potential extension of PJ Washington Jr., breaking down the financials, trade flexibility, and why PJ might be the key to the Mavs’ defensive future.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Mountains around the sports k tod Quins as all the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, a couple of contract hold in or hold out
situations met the resolution yesterday, which could give us the
context clues that the Mica thing will get done sooner
than later yesterday. The other kind of case study when
it comes to pass rushers in the league is a
guy named Trey Hendrickson who plays with the Bengals. Now,
they did not give him an extension, but they boosted
(00:31):
his salary from sixteen million up to thirty million. They
just gave him a fourteen million dollar raise for this year.
What yeah, is he holding out and demanding a trade?
He asked for a trade. He'll be a free agent
after this year. They were probably going, well, no, because
we'll just let your contract run out and then we'll
franchise tag you, or maybe we'll do it reasonable deal whatever.
(00:53):
Iss by the way, operate in a cheap manner most
of the time. And they've already had to spend because
they spent on t Higgins wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Was he on his rookie deal or he'd been around
the league for a while and was on a second
I this is his rookie deal, Okay, Okay, I could be.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Wrong on that, but I believe that's that would make sense.
That he's on his rookie deal, so sixteen millions when
he was making gets that boosted up to thirty for
this year, and he's like, fine, I'll play.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I just like that. Mike's not really asking for that,
He just wants a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But I do wonder if the Cowboys went, what if
we just gave you like six million dollars more for
this year?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well but the problem with that, and with this Hendrick saying,
is for all these contracts, it's about guaranteed money because
it's a league of eminent injury and so that's really
what this is about, is guaranteed money. And that's why
the Hendrick saying is kind of weird, where it's like,
you didn't really guarantee yourself anything beyond this year and
he could still get franchised.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, no, absolutely, but once you're franchised, that's all guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But you know what else that is, that's the Bengals
think they can win it all this year and they
don't want to fart around.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, absolutely, and they can absolutely can, right the Cowboys,
you know, I don't think they can win it all.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But you know, no, they cannot. They absolutely cannot. And
but this is in Terry McLaurin signed right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Terry mccran and it is hold out wide receiver for
the Washington Football Commanders.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What are they now? The Commanders? So these this is
just how it goes.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The guy who wants a new contract, he demands to
be traded.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No one ever takes that seriously.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It looks like these people hate each other and then
they get a deal worked out and everybody's fine. Yeah,
that's what's gonna happen here too.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now there's like a photo going around that appears to
be Jerry joking around with Micah's mom.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, they bumped into each other at the stadium. You
know he's got that mother. And how do you just
bump into Jerry at the stadium too? It's why are
moms walking around the stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, it's given me a little more credence to the
idea that this is all kind of agreed upon by
all parties, that we're going to stretch this thing out.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Right, Because did you see what they were saying to
each other? Uh No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
He said something like, you've got the video if you
need to play, Yeah, yeah, play.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
There's no cussing. It's very friendly.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
There's laughing, there's hugging.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Let's Mike, warn't you out there playing?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So she's wearing a Micah jersey and he says, Michael,
wh aren't you out there?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Applying to his mother? Yes, keep going.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You act like you got some money.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
He's talking about you, Act like you want some money
or something.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I Meanwhile, Mike is laying on a training table acting
like an eight year old.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Don't talk to my mom. Jerry's like, I'm talking to
your mother now, mother. Jerry's winning aspects.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He's gonna tell David Muffletta that I don't need to
talk to you.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I can talk to his mom.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
If this was like this real tense situation that does
not happen.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Now, why is this so gross to me? That's also gross?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What's his obsession with getting around the mothers of all
these plays?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's the best category?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Isn't that way? For years though, he's always trying to
hang out with the moms.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Of these players. Respect You get to your mama, then
you're in. You're in good?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is a PJ.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Washington gonna good?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Sign?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To an extension sounds like it they were.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They've been speculating that all summer, and you know, I've
been seeing a lot of that, and it surprised me
because you know, it's like, all right, I figured they
would wait till next year because of dealing with aprons
and all that sort of stuff. But the number that
we saw is Stein throwing around. You know, you're basically
going to pay a guy that may come off the bench.
I have a feeling he's going to start a good
(04:37):
chunk of the year. We'll see how they use him.
But in the neighborhood of twenty two to twenty three
million a year, which I think is a good number
for a player like that, it would be easy to
trade that player. But when they're signing him, they will
not be able to trade him this year because they
won't be able to trade him for six months, which
will come after the trade deadline. So he'll be a
Maverick a year long for sure. But I mean, and
(05:00):
if they get him extended for four years, I personally
love that because remember when the Mavericks got the number
one pick, even before the draft, just during the lottery,
Everyone's like, oh, that's the end of PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And I'm like, no, I don't think so, man, do
you think those championships?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, like the way that Nico talks, if you want
to take him at face value, you don't trade your
best defensive player, which PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Washington Junior is.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I mean, he's the guy they put on Shay Gilgess
Alexander like he's their best defensive player.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, So this doesn't keep them from I mean they
basically try it out, see how they like all the
pieces working together. They wait for Kyrie to get back,
and if they don't like it, they still have flexibility
to get off of him or anybody.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And to your point, to your point, Ben, the Gafford's
very tradable.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
PJ.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Washington's very tradable. By that, I mean other teams would
love those players at that money. And then they got
several players in the ten million dollar range to where
they can throw together a big, gigantic trade if they
need to. So, Man, really good news for the Maverick
in my opinion, at least for the kind of team
they're trying to build.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Coming up next, giant trees are falling on women in DFW.
The story next
Mountains around the sports k tod Quins as all the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, a couple of contract hold in or hold out
situations met the resolution yesterday, which could give us the
context clues that the Mica thing will get done sooner
than later yesterday. The other kind of case study when
it comes to pass rushers in the league is a
guy named Trey Hendrickson who plays with the Bengals. Now,
they did not give him an extension, but they boosted
(00:31):
his salary from sixteen million up to thirty million. They
just gave him a fourteen million dollar raise for this year.
What yeah, is he holding out and demanding a trade?
He asked for a trade. He'll be a free agent
after this year. They were probably going, well, no, because
we'll just let your contract run out and then we'll
franchise tag you, or maybe we'll do it reasonable deal whatever.
(00:53):
Iss by the way, operate in a cheap manner most
of the time. And they've already had to spend because
they spent on t Higgins wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Was he on his rookie deal or he'd been around
the league for a while and was on a second
I this is his rookie deal, Okay, Okay, I could be.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Wrong on that, but I believe that's that would make sense.
That he's on his rookie deal, so sixteen millions when
he was making gets that boosted up to thirty for
this year, and he's like, fine, I'll play.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I just like that. Mike's not really asking for that,
He just wants a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
But I do wonder if the Cowboys went, what if
we just gave you like six million dollars more for
this year?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well but the problem with that, and with this Hendrick saying,
is for all these contracts, it's about guaranteed money because
it's a league of eminent injury and so that's really
what this is about, is guaranteed money. And that's why
the Hendrick saying is kind of weird, where it's like,
you didn't really guarantee yourself anything beyond this year and
he could still get franchised.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, no, absolutely, but once you're franchised, that's all guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
But you know what else that is, that's the Bengals
think they can win it all this year and they
don't want to fart around.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, absolutely, and they can absolutely can, right the Cowboys,
you know, I don't think they can win it all.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
But you know, no, they cannot. They absolutely cannot. And
but this is in Terry McLaurin signed right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Terry mccran and it is hold out wide receiver for
the Washington Football Commanders.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What are they now? The Commanders? So these this is
just how it goes.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
The guy who wants a new contract, he demands to
be traded.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
No one ever takes that seriously.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It looks like these people hate each other and then
they get a deal worked out and everybody's fine. Yeah,
that's what's gonna happen here too.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now there's like a photo going around that appears to
be Jerry joking around with Micah's mom.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, they bumped into each other at the stadium. You
know he's got that mother. And how do you just
bump into Jerry at the stadium too? It's why are
moms walking around the stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Well, it's given me a little more credence to the
idea that this is all kind of agreed upon by
all parties, that we're going to stretch this thing out.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Right, Because did you see what they were saying to
each other? Uh No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
He said something like, you've got the video if you
need to play, Yeah, yeah, play.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
There's no cussing. It's very friendly.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
There's laughing, there's hugging.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Let's Mike, warn't you out there playing?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
So she's wearing a Micah jersey and he says, Michael,
wh aren't you out there?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Applying to his mother? Yes, keep going.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
You act like you got some money.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
He's talking about you, Act like you want some money
or something.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I Meanwhile, Mike is laying on a training table acting
like an eight year old.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Don't talk to my mom. Jerry's like, I'm talking to
your mother now, mother. Jerry's winning aspects.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
He's gonna tell David Muffletta that I don't need to
talk to you.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I can talk to his mom.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
If this was like this real tense situation that does
not happen.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Now, why is this so gross to me? That's also gross?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
What's his obsession with getting around the mothers of all
these plays?
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Dude?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's the best category?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Isn't that way? For years though, he's always trying to
hang out with the moms.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Of these players. Respect You get to your mama, then
you're in. You're in good?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is a PJ.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Washington gonna good?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Sign?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
To an extension sounds like it they were.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They've been speculating that all summer, and you know, I've
been seeing a lot of that, and it surprised me
because you know, it's like, all right, I figured they
would wait till next year because of dealing with aprons
and all that sort of stuff. But the number that
we saw is Stein throwing around. You know, you're basically
going to pay a guy that may come off the bench.
I have a feeling he's going to start a good
(04:37):
chunk of the year. We'll see how they use him.
But in the neighborhood of twenty two to twenty three
million a year, which I think is a good number
for a player like that, it would be easy to
trade that player. But when they're signing him, they will
not be able to trade him this year because they
won't be able to trade him for six months, which
will come after the trade deadline. So he'll be a
Maverick a year long for sure. But I mean, and
(05:00):
if they get him extended for four years, I personally
love that because remember when the Mavericks got the number
one pick, even before the draft, just during the lottery,
Everyone's like, oh, that's the end of PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And I'm like, no, I don't think so, man, do
you think those championships?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, like the way that Nico talks, if you want
to take him at face value, you don't trade your
best defensive player, which PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Washington Junior is.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I mean, he's the guy they put on Shay Gilgess
Alexander like he's their best defensive player.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Right, So this doesn't keep them from I mean they
basically try it out, see how they like all the
pieces working together. They wait for Kyrie to get back,
and if they don't like it, they still have flexibility
to get off of him or anybody.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And to your point, to your point, Ben, the Gafford's
very tradable.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
PJ.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Washington's very tradable. By that, I mean other teams would
love those players at that money. And then they got
several players in the ten million dollar range to where
they can throw together a big, gigantic trade if they
need to. So, Man, really good news for the Maverick
in my opinion, at least for the kind of team
they're trying to build.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Coming up next, giant trees are falling on women in DFW.
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