January 13, 2025 • 16 mins
We react to the news that Mike McCarthy is no longer the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Listen here for a list of about 10 names who we think could be possible candidates to replace him.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
With some bad.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Start time movies. Right now, you're right, right, right, right,
right time to do one for.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Time with yeh it with I show you're gonna ruling it,
except you're simmer. We pursuing it, followed out Shaw shank
through the sewer, Kid, Now what chilling at the eagle. Yeah,
we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock. Got a
habit for my house, a goat status, Howard starting to
get cratic shows that up multiplied like a rabbit d
(00:46):
end zone out, creak it up, feed the habit.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I wanthg out. You know a friend rocking on the radio.
My boy's.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Talking and albinios to begin all baby baby go, Kati
Christine up in all that long radio.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Shocking news coming down today that Mike McCarthy is out
as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys after five seasons.
He and Jerry are parting ways, and I gotta say
I'm incredibly surprised. After the Cowboys said no, Mike, you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Interview with the Bears. We're not giving them permission, they
proceeded to negotiate. I guess through. I guess through today.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I think his deal expires tomorrow and decided, Hey, I
don't think we can come to an agreement here, let's
part ways. And so the most shocking thing about it
is it's a whole new level of dysfunction that they
the Cowboys, weren't even allowed to talk to the guys
who are coaching on playoff teams because they spent that
whole time negotiating with a guy that they weren't going
(02:02):
to keep. Yeah, and I think, on top of that,
how do you not get your man? Like? In other words,
what they're really telling you is, we don't even care
who the man is. We may or may not get
this guy who knows Like, think about that. Do you
when do you negotiate with a coach that you want
and not get him? That doesn't happen. So they clearly
(02:24):
didn't want him. But then that means that if he'd
accepted their terms, they would have taken the guy they
didn't want, right, What the hell part of me thinks
they want Witten? But Witten's not going to be available
till his kids a graduate or whatever. And I think
he's got two more years left, like with his one
of his kids is a phenom, right or both?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I'm not sure on the kids. I know there's one
in one or two in high school. I will say
that Nick Harris of the Fourth Star Telegram did right,
and his piece of just kind of throwing on a
much candidates is says, regardless of if Witton lands the
head coaching job, it's widely expected that he will be
on the Cowboys staff in twenty twenty five and some
from Nick Harris at the Telegrams fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So, by the way, that's good, right.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Wouldn't you want him if you're eventually going to be
the coach, wouldn't you want him to have some staff
work first?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Absolutely? And maybe that's why.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Maybe McCarthy's like, wait, you want me to sit here
and groom witting, like you want me to take a
two year deal. I can go get a four or
five year deal. I don't need a two year and
and Jerry's like, Wade did it. Well, let's uh, let's
backtrack second, because the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
The Cowboys put out a statement and cool Jerry said,
prior to reaching the point of contract negotiations, it became
mutually mutually clear that it would be better for each
of us to head in a different direction. So what
is contract negotiations is that money or is that length?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's both because or or it could be roll yeah,
right could could it could also be hey, look, we
want to have somebody else call plays offensively.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
And one of the guys who's tight with McCarthy has
been since screen based, Tom Pellisero the NFL network.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Here's what he just said. He's also a sparkling drinker. Right,
so yes, pedaci u plegro.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Contract negotiations are by definition and exchange of bargaining proposals
as opposed to the informal talks. The bottom line is
that as the size is discussed how to move forward,
they couldn't agree on contract length. And now I've parted ways,
Jerry said two years and the same amount of money
I was paying.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You, Right, I think I think Skin's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The biggest and most embarrassing thing is they decided, all right,
if we can get this guy for just a few
amount of years below market value, will get him. And
then they couldn't, And now they didn't get the guy.
They're telling you and we knew it. We knew it,
But they're telling you we don't really value that right,
(04:46):
We're and we're not willing to pay top dollar for
someone that's really good at it, and it's why they've
sucked for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. That's not fair.
They have not sucked.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's why they have not been good enough to do
big things because when you get to this level, there's
no spare coaches. It's very rare that spare coaches get
you to the highest levels. There's like, you have to
have the talent, you have to have the health, you
have to have the system, and you have to have
the coaching. All those things work in concert, and so
(05:17):
they don't put a premium on the coaching.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They haven't.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They haven't done an extensive coaching search in eighteen years, because.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
You know what you do, and you do an extensive
coaching search, you go outside your little liddy bitty circle
and you get other opinions and you understand what trends
are happening in the game, the best way in any sport.
I mean this, in any sport, the best way to understand.
Oh dude, our friend John Daniels, when he left the Rangers,
he went and spent some time with the Marlins, and
(05:46):
you know, and was immediately like, oh, here I am
in a situation learning from some people that are doing
great things.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't know everything. For the raise, oh the raise,
I'm sorry, I'm sure, I'm fish based Florida team. Yeah,
my bad.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And so my whole point is that if you just
stay in your own little circle, which is what the
Cowboys do, the game evolves and goes elsewhere. And they
don't do extensive searches, they don't go interact with other circles.
They they're in their own little orbit. And that's why
they haven't had high level success and one of the
reasons they haven't had a high level success in a
really long time.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But by your tone, I sense that you're saying today
is a bad thing. No, no, no, today is just fine.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But its status quo because they're gonna go get Riverboat
Ron or they're gonna get some guy that somebody else
at North Turner knew it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be what any
of us want. It's just okay. So I'll put it
to you like this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I decided I wanted McCarthy gone midway through the season,
and I was convinced it was gonna be Belichick, because
I think Belichick really wanted the job.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I wouldn't rull that out.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And I thought the Cowboys were very sick of McCarthy.
But then you started hearing stuff is the season on.
Oh my god, I think he's staying. And so the
way that they approached it by not firing him immediately,
that made me think, all right, they want to keep McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I kind of sold myself on the up side
of that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And now they botched that, and so they missed the
opportunity to interview any of these playoff coaches. So they
still they were gonna keep McCarthy and they don't even
value him that much.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, the playoff coaches, I do think if those guys
are starting going okay, but the Cowboys very much think, well,
you'll come to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I saw. It's a small sample size.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Here's a poll in the Athletic Today where five NFL
coaches were asked at the remaining jobs's which one is
the most like, the most desirable. Four of the five
guys said the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Another guy like.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
To like the So I think the Cowboys like we'll interview,
we'll interview, Like I don't think they're gonna interview Ben
Johnson but I'm just using that as a name, and
they're like, well, we'll interview into you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You'll come to us. We're the cowboys. Those are always
better than you. I'll interview Kellen. Is that a Kellen Kellen?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I think Kellen's happened. I think Kellen's the leader in
the club back too. Is there a way I think they?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is there a way for him in and to work together?
Like could Witten work under Kellen?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Moore?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Burward?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Kellen know that, Okay, he's gonna take my job in
a couple of years, just like McCarthy would have known
that with a short deal.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
To me, Witten needs to come in and be the
quarterback coach or the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Why couldn't he be the offensive coordinator under a guy
named under a guy out like Kellen? He would he
could be Yeah, he'd be offense. He could, just like
Schottenheimer was a ordinator under. It make all the sense
of the world. But we're not talking about a sensical organization. No.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They do whatever they want and they are so dysfunctional.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And this the thing is, if we're gonna talk Kellen,
we should say we should throw Cliff in there in
the mix. I don't think Clif's a great fit here
with Dak who can't move anymore. But how much of
this is Jerry watching these games yesterday and Kellen and
Cliff advance.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In your division? They advance.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Here's the most painful thing of all of me that
might have been a part of this. Here's the most
painful thing of all of it, all of it. If
you had just made the decision last year when they
didn't go, when they didn't do crap in the playoffs,
you could have Dan and Kellen here together right now.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Dan Quinn who everyone loves. Yeah, the problem is you'd
be hiring a head coach. You just gave up forty
eight points in a playoff loss. I mean that's the yeah.
But that's why it didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But I mean you've got to You've got to understand
what you have. Isn't that what Jerry just said after
Week seventeen, when the Hay is in the barn, like
they didn't know what they had with dan Quinn at
Washington knew what you had.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They went and got him and look at him, and
a lot of this just kind of it's kind of
making some decisions.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Just kind of got to you have you have to
be convicted and know what you want. That's right, it's
and you know why do you know how? You know
they're not convicted because the man in charge loves to
say that he's got a lot of tolerance for ambiguity.
He loves not knowing what's gonna happen next and not
having a plan and then deciding after things or right
(09:49):
there on your doorstep.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Hey, life is challenging. We'll just make something happen when
it happens.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
This is why they have a ten billion dollar valuation.
They are all about the marketing, the buzz. They're all
about being in the headlines. They're all about being talked about.
That is way more important than winning. They don't care
about a winning culture, so they don't care about going
and getting the most qualified coach. They want the soap
opera because the soap opera sells. That's why there's a
(10:14):
ten billion dollar valuation. The priority is not winning football games.
I'm not saying they're not trying to win. I'm just
saying they love this stuff. They love being in the headlines.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And then the answer there are some sexy plays here
if they wanted to go that route, Like I mean,
the sexiest of all is Dion, of course, but that's
not gonna happen. But I think Ben Johnson is the
is one that would make the NFL go Jesus Christ,
the Cowboys watch out next year. Okay, hold on, it
ain't gonna happen, and the sexiest gonna come here.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The sexiest play is Jimmy, Yeah, of course, getting Jimmy
out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The sexiest playing at things.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think Witten is a sexy play. It's way too early,
but I could see him doing it, and I don't
I promise you. If Jason Witten's not so and they're
going I'm not qualified for that, he's looking at going hell, yes,
I could do that. Give me that job if you want.
If he really wants Witting but he's not ready to
hire Witten, then I think what And I'm sorry, but
(11:12):
if you haven't said it on the are yet, but
we're talking earlier. If you really want Witt, and then
Zimmer is your head coach. If you don't think Witten
is ready yet, but you want him, you hire him
to come in here and be your offensive coordinator, and
you'd take Zimmer. Zimmer just took a one year job
after sitting on the sidelines for four years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And keep in mind, I've had conversation. It's been a
long time.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He didn't return my text, But you know, a long
time ago I talked to Jason Witten after his playing
career and he told me he had reams of plays
like that's all he thinks about, is how to come
up with innovative offensive plays. Like that's his passion, so
he wants to do that in the league. I don't
know if that's changed, but that's what's that's his path.
That was at one time, that's really what he wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And like, who knows what there. They may either be
in a bind.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
This could have been a thing where McCarthy bowed up
to They might I just thought McCarthy's gonna do what
we say here because needs a job, And McCarthy might
have been like, the hell with that, my contract's up tomorrow,
I'm out, And that could have happened. I personally think
McCarthy would have taken pretty much anything that was offered
to him, though I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That sounds like you didn't it sounds like he didn't,
especially if it's his guy that's putting out there.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It sounds like to say something and his guy's gonna
paint it in a way that no I know.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
But he's being specific. He's talking about contract link. That's
an indication that they talked about something. And I think
it all goes back to probably what we're kicking around.
And look, I personally don't think Mike McCarthy. I'll just
let me just be fair and say, Mike McCarthy's the
third winning US coach in Cowboy history.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I don't think he's a great fit here.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But but what I'm saying is, despite having forty nine
wins in five years, I don't think he's earned a
long contract extension. I think if they say, Okay, we
think you deserve another chance, but you deserve two years
to get it done, and if you don't get it done,
to me, that would scream, hey man, you don't have
confidence to me here, you have a plan B, you're
hiring me to fire me.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I want to go somewhere where I really have a
shot at winning and having a future.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
To me, if it's contract linked, I feel like that
the Cowboys are showing that they don't value.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Him very much, not offering him a long term deal.
But if he got it done within two years, he'd
get a big old deal.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well, because of all these things that we're bitching about
about Jerry, because of that, as a big part of
the reason I don't think Mike McCarthy's a great fit
for the Cowboys because they should be above that, because
the things we're bitching about, we think they should be
above that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
They're not, and they're not.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, And that's my point is, like McCarthy is, go
build a program somewhere. Okay, Bear Saints makes sense, Like
I win now, head coach, the most spicy candidate, you
know that you could go get go get him who's
ready to win.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Now, that is what should make sense for.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
This thing, right, so, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson, it should
make sense if he's like, I want twelve million a
year or whatever it is, and I'll go to the
Cowboys and I want autonomy, I want to be able
to be in charge.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I want to go buy the groceries. They should go
do that.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
But the reason they don't is because then Jerry wouldn't
be allowed to play with his toy he'll Ben Johnson
will be the coach of the Bears and he'll turn
it around year one.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't think that anyone can turn the Bears around.
And that's just me being hopeful. You don't believe in
their quarterback. I don't believe in the Bears.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Who is who is the next Cowboys head coach that
would have you the most excited? Me personally Ben Johnson,
But I don't think he personally would come here right
same for you, KT, I'm in it for fun.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Give me Gruden and we missed the nostalgic, misogynistic nostalgia
of the nineties. The guys here, I would say, also,
since I know Ben's not coming here, and I think
both these guys would be options, I personally would want
Cliff over Kellen.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Okay, okay for me. For me, I would want Ben Johnson.
I think he's the best guy for the job. He's
the next guy you should go. Make him one of
the highest paid coach in Lingo.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Get him.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's not hot happening. I could.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think Kellen Moore is the way they'll go. I
think Cliff will is interested in the gig and we'll
be a candidate. But the one I would want is
witting the unqualified one. That's just a crazy wild card.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Will be fun. That would be so much fun, wearing
a guy straight out of high school?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Probably not a lot of like badass players have coached
high school either.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And Jeff Saturday went from the TV booth to the
our TV studio to the to the job for you
that was That was mid season though, right, yeah, yeah,
he was a yeah, I have a name for us
at four o'clock that we haven't gotten to yet though.
And this is interesting and they need a couple of
things to work out, but I think this is one
that we should keep in mind on our little list
(15:44):
as well, because I do think they would consider it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And that'll be at four tenth, Like Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I guarantee you if they're not already talking to Witten,
I bet Whitton's blowing them up. And he's got the
phone number. We'll see, we'll be I think they blocked
his call, all right. Coming up next in the Hollywood Shuffle,
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there are a couple of big music debths we need
(16:14):
to discuss next
With some bad.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Start time movies. Right now, you're right, right, right, right,
right time to do one for.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Time with yeh it with I show you're gonna ruling it,
except you're simmer. We pursuing it, followed out Shaw shank
through the sewer, Kid, Now what chilling at the eagle. Yeah,
we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock. Got a
habit for my house, a goat status, Howard starting to
get cratic shows that up multiplied like a rabbit d
(00:46):
end zone out, creak it up, feed the habit.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I wanthg out. You know a friend rocking on the radio.
My boy's.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Talking and albinios to begin all baby baby go, Kati
Christine up in all that long radio.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Shocking news coming down today that Mike McCarthy is out
as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys after five seasons.
He and Jerry are parting ways, and I gotta say
I'm incredibly surprised. After the Cowboys said no, Mike, you can't.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Interview with the Bears. We're not giving them permission, they
proceeded to negotiate. I guess through. I guess through today.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I think his deal expires tomorrow and decided, Hey, I
don't think we can come to an agreement here, let's
part ways. And so the most shocking thing about it
is it's a whole new level of dysfunction that they
the Cowboys, weren't even allowed to talk to the guys
who are coaching on playoff teams because they spent that
whole time negotiating with a guy that they weren't going
(02:02):
to keep. Yeah, and I think, on top of that,
how do you not get your man? Like? In other words,
what they're really telling you is, we don't even care
who the man is. We may or may not get
this guy who knows Like, think about that. Do you
when do you negotiate with a coach that you want
and not get him? That doesn't happen. So they clearly
(02:24):
didn't want him. But then that means that if he'd
accepted their terms, they would have taken the guy they
didn't want, right, What the hell part of me thinks
they want Witten? But Witten's not going to be available
till his kids a graduate or whatever. And I think
he's got two more years left, like with his one
of his kids is a phenom, right or both?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I'm not sure on the kids. I know there's one
in one or two in high school. I will say
that Nick Harris of the Fourth Star Telegram did right,
and his piece of just kind of throwing on a
much candidates is says, regardless of if Witton lands the
head coaching job, it's widely expected that he will be
on the Cowboys staff in twenty twenty five and some
from Nick Harris at the Telegrams fantastic.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So, by the way, that's good, right.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Wouldn't you want him if you're eventually going to be
the coach, wouldn't you want him to have some staff
work first?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Absolutely? And maybe that's why.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Maybe McCarthy's like, wait, you want me to sit here
and groom witting, like you want me to take a
two year deal. I can go get a four or
five year deal. I don't need a two year and
and Jerry's like, Wade did it. Well, let's uh, let's
backtrack second, because the.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
The Cowboys put out a statement and cool Jerry said,
prior to reaching the point of contract negotiations, it became
mutually mutually clear that it would be better for each
of us to head in a different direction. So what
is contract negotiations is that money or is that length?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
It's both because or or it could be roll yeah,
right could could it could also be hey, look, we
want to have somebody else call plays offensively.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
And one of the guys who's tight with McCarthy has
been since screen based, Tom Pellisero the NFL network.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Here's what he just said. He's also a sparkling drinker. Right,
so yes, pedaci u plegro.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Contract negotiations are by definition and exchange of bargaining proposals
as opposed to the informal talks. The bottom line is
that as the size is discussed how to move forward,
they couldn't agree on contract length. And now I've parted ways,
Jerry said two years and the same amount of money
I was paying.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
You, Right, I think I think Skin's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
The biggest and most embarrassing thing is they decided, all right,
if we can get this guy for just a few
amount of years below market value, will get him. And
then they couldn't, And now they didn't get the guy.
They're telling you and we knew it. We knew it,
But they're telling you we don't really value that right,
(04:46):
We're and we're not willing to pay top dollar for
someone that's really good at it, and it's why they've
sucked for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. That's not fair.
They have not sucked.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
It's why they have not been good enough to do
big things because when you get to this level, there's
no spare coaches. It's very rare that spare coaches get
you to the highest levels. There's like, you have to
have the talent, you have to have the health, you
have to have the system, and you have to have
the coaching. All those things work in concert, and so
(05:17):
they don't put a premium on the coaching.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
They haven't.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
They haven't done an extensive coaching search in eighteen years, because.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
You know what you do, and you do an extensive
coaching search, you go outside your little liddy bitty circle
and you get other opinions and you understand what trends
are happening in the game, the best way in any sport.
I mean this, in any sport, the best way to understand.
Oh dude, our friend John Daniels, when he left the Rangers,
he went and spent some time with the Marlins, and
(05:46):
you know, and was immediately like, oh, here I am
in a situation learning from some people that are doing
great things.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I don't know everything. For the raise, oh the raise,
I'm sorry, I'm sure, I'm fish based Florida team. Yeah,
my bad.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And so my whole point is that if you just
stay in your own little circle, which is what the
Cowboys do, the game evolves and goes elsewhere. And they
don't do extensive searches, they don't go interact with other circles.
They they're in their own little orbit. And that's why
they haven't had high level success and one of the
reasons they haven't had a high level success in a
really long time.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
But by your tone, I sense that you're saying today
is a bad thing. No, no, no, today is just fine.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
But its status quo because they're gonna go get Riverboat
Ron or they're gonna get some guy that somebody else
at North Turner knew it.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's not gonna be. It's not gonna be what any
of us want. It's just okay. So I'll put it
to you like this.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
I decided I wanted McCarthy gone midway through the season,
and I was convinced it was gonna be Belichick, because
I think Belichick really wanted the job.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I wouldn't rull that out.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
And I thought the Cowboys were very sick of McCarthy.
But then you started hearing stuff is the season on.
Oh my god, I think he's staying. And so the
way that they approached it by not firing him immediately,
that made me think, all right, they want to keep McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
So I kind of sold myself on the up side
of that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And now they botched that, and so they missed the
opportunity to interview any of these playoff coaches. So they
still they were gonna keep McCarthy and they don't even
value him that much.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well, the playoff coaches, I do think if those guys
are starting going okay, but the Cowboys very much think, well,
you'll come to the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
I saw. It's a small sample size.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Here's a poll in the Athletic Today where five NFL
coaches were asked at the remaining jobs's which one is
the most like, the most desirable. Four of the five
guys said the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Another guy like.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
To like the So I think the Cowboys like we'll interview,
we'll interview, Like I don't think they're gonna interview Ben
Johnson but I'm just using that as a name, and
they're like, well, we'll interview into you two weeks.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
You'll come to us. We're the cowboys. Those are always
better than you. I'll interview Kellen. Is that a Kellen Kellen?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
I think Kellen's happened. I think Kellen's the leader in
the club back too. Is there a way I think they?
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is there a way for him in and to work together?
Like could Witten work under Kellen?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Moore?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Burward?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Kellen know that, Okay, he's gonna take my job in
a couple of years, just like McCarthy would have known
that with a short deal.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
To me, Witten needs to come in and be the
quarterback coach or the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Why couldn't he be the offensive coordinator under a guy
named under a guy out like Kellen? He would he
could be Yeah, he'd be offense. He could, just like
Schottenheimer was a ordinator under. It make all the sense
of the world. But we're not talking about a sensical organization. No.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They do whatever they want and they are so dysfunctional.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And this the thing is, if we're gonna talk Kellen,
we should say we should throw Cliff in there in
the mix. I don't think Clif's a great fit here
with Dak who can't move anymore. But how much of
this is Jerry watching these games yesterday and Kellen and
Cliff advance.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
In your division? They advance.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Here's the most painful thing of all of me that
might have been a part of this. Here's the most
painful thing of all of it, all of it. If
you had just made the decision last year when they
didn't go, when they didn't do crap in the playoffs,
you could have Dan and Kellen here together right now.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Dan Quinn who everyone loves. Yeah, the problem is you'd
be hiring a head coach. You just gave up forty
eight points in a playoff loss. I mean that's the yeah.
But that's why it didn't happen.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But I mean you've got to You've got to understand
what you have. Isn't that what Jerry just said after
Week seventeen, when the Hay is in the barn, like
they didn't know what they had with dan Quinn at
Washington knew what you had.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They went and got him and look at him, and
a lot of this just kind of it's kind of
making some decisions.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Just kind of got to you have you have to
be convicted and know what you want. That's right, it's
and you know why do you know how? You know
they're not convicted because the man in charge loves to
say that he's got a lot of tolerance for ambiguity.
He loves not knowing what's gonna happen next and not
having a plan and then deciding after things or right
(09:49):
there on your doorstep.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Hey, life is challenging. We'll just make something happen when
it happens.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
This is why they have a ten billion dollar valuation.
They are all about the marketing, the buzz. They're all
about being in the headlines. They're all about being talked about.
That is way more important than winning. They don't care
about a winning culture, so they don't care about going
and getting the most qualified coach. They want the soap
opera because the soap opera sells. That's why there's a
(10:14):
ten billion dollar valuation. The priority is not winning football games.
I'm not saying they're not trying to win. I'm just
saying they love this stuff. They love being in the headlines.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
And then the answer there are some sexy plays here
if they wanted to go that route, Like I mean,
the sexiest of all is Dion, of course, but that's
not gonna happen. But I think Ben Johnson is the
is one that would make the NFL go Jesus Christ,
the Cowboys watch out next year. Okay, hold on, it
ain't gonna happen, and the sexiest gonna come here.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
The sexiest play is Jimmy, Yeah, of course, getting Jimmy
out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
The sexiest playing at things.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I think Witten is a sexy play. It's way too early,
but I could see him doing it, and I don't
I promise you. If Jason Witten's not so and they're
going I'm not qualified for that, he's looking at going hell, yes,
I could do that. Give me that job if you want.
If he really wants Witting but he's not ready to
hire Witten, then I think what And I'm sorry, but
(11:12):
if you haven't said it on the are yet, but
we're talking earlier. If you really want Witt, and then
Zimmer is your head coach. If you don't think Witten
is ready yet, but you want him, you hire him
to come in here and be your offensive coordinator, and
you'd take Zimmer. Zimmer just took a one year job
after sitting on the sidelines for four years or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
And keep in mind, I've had conversation. It's been a
long time.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He didn't return my text, But you know, a long
time ago I talked to Jason Witten after his playing
career and he told me he had reams of plays
like that's all he thinks about, is how to come
up with innovative offensive plays. Like that's his passion, so
he wants to do that in the league. I don't
know if that's changed, but that's what's that's his path.
That was at one time, that's really what he wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
And like, who knows what there. They may either be
in a bind.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
This could have been a thing where McCarthy bowed up
to They might I just thought McCarthy's gonna do what
we say here because needs a job, And McCarthy might
have been like, the hell with that, my contract's up tomorrow,
I'm out, And that could have happened. I personally think
McCarthy would have taken pretty much anything that was offered
to him, though I don't know.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That sounds like you didn't it sounds like he didn't,
especially if it's his guy that's putting out there.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
It sounds like to say something and his guy's gonna
paint it in a way that no I know.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
But he's being specific. He's talking about contract link. That's
an indication that they talked about something. And I think
it all goes back to probably what we're kicking around.
And look, I personally don't think Mike McCarthy. I'll just
let me just be fair and say, Mike McCarthy's the
third winning US coach in Cowboy history.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, I don't think he's a great fit here.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
But but what I'm saying is, despite having forty nine
wins in five years, I don't think he's earned a
long contract extension. I think if they say, Okay, we
think you deserve another chance, but you deserve two years
to get it done, and if you don't get it done,
to me, that would scream, hey man, you don't have
confidence to me here, you have a plan B, you're
hiring me to fire me.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I want to go somewhere where I really have a
shot at winning and having a future.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
To me, if it's contract linked, I feel like that
the Cowboys are showing that they don't value.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Him very much, not offering him a long term deal.
But if he got it done within two years, he'd
get a big old deal.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
Well, because of all these things that we're bitching about
about Jerry, because of that, as a big part of
the reason I don't think Mike McCarthy's a great fit
for the Cowboys because they should be above that, because
the things we're bitching about, we think they should be
above that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
They're not, and they're not.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Yeah, And that's my point is, like McCarthy is, go
build a program somewhere. Okay, Bear Saints makes sense, Like
I win now, head coach, the most spicy candidate, you
know that you could go get go get him who's
ready to win.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Now, that is what should make sense for.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
This thing, right, so, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson, it should
make sense if he's like, I want twelve million a
year or whatever it is, and I'll go to the
Cowboys and I want autonomy, I want to be able
to be in charge.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I want to go buy the groceries. They should go
do that.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
But the reason they don't is because then Jerry wouldn't
be allowed to play with his toy he'll Ben Johnson
will be the coach of the Bears and he'll turn
it around year one.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I don't think that anyone can turn the Bears around.
And that's just me being hopeful. You don't believe in
their quarterback. I don't believe in the Bears.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Who is who is the next Cowboys head coach that
would have you the most excited? Me personally Ben Johnson,
But I don't think he personally would come here right
same for you, KT, I'm in it for fun.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Give me Gruden and we missed the nostalgic, misogynistic nostalgia
of the nineties. The guys here, I would say, also,
since I know Ben's not coming here, and I think
both these guys would be options, I personally would want
Cliff over Kellen.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Okay, okay for me. For me, I would want Ben Johnson.
I think he's the best guy for the job. He's
the next guy you should go. Make him one of
the highest paid coach in Lingo.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Get him.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's not hot happening. I could.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think Kellen Moore is the way they'll go. I
think Cliff will is interested in the gig and we'll
be a candidate. But the one I would want is
witting the unqualified one. That's just a crazy wild card.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Will be fun. That would be so much fun, wearing
a guy straight out of high school?
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Has that ever happened?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I don't think so.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Probably not a lot of like badass players have coached
high school either.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And Jeff Saturday went from the TV booth to the
our TV studio to the to the job for you
that was That was mid season though, right, yeah, yeah,
he was a yeah, I have a name for us
at four o'clock that we haven't gotten to yet though.
And this is interesting and they need a couple of
things to work out, but I think this is one
that we should keep in mind on our little list
(15:44):
as well, because I do think they would consider it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And that'll be at four tenth, Like Andy Reid.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I guarantee you if they're not already talking to Witten,
I bet Whitton's blowing them up. And he's got the
phone number. We'll see, we'll be I think they blocked
his call, all right. Coming up next in the Hollywood Shuffle,
where were going? Kt Ben went to a big show
in the Metroplex this weekend. We'll get his review plus
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(16:14):
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