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September 2, 2025 13 mins
"Can a chest waxing scene really take a nipple clean off… and why did Steve Carell insist on doing it for real?"In this wildly entertaining episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray take listeners on a hilarious ride through pop culture, sports nostalgia, and behind-the-scenes chaos. From Nick Van Exel’s Call of Duty obsession to the oral history of “The 40-Year-Old Virgin”, this episode is packed with jaw-dropping stories, laugh-out-loud moments, and unexpected insights.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
By the way, over the weekend, Skin and I were
having a conversation with somebody that we're getting to know
better who is really impressive, and that is the great
Nick Van Exel. Oh my god, I love Quick. Such
a great dude. And you know he lives here in Dallas.
When was he on the Mavericks from like that was

(00:20):
O two oh three and or half of the season
before and then the two o three season. I believe
right in here for like a season and a half.
This wasn't that long, but it had a big impact. Yeah,
and I love that he's living here. You know, a
lot of pro athletes decided to live here. But he
played for the Lakers for many years. He was there.
That's where he started on the Lakers with Kobe and Shack. Right, Yes,

(00:40):
but I think he I think he probably played two
years with those guys.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
I think he went to Denver in nineties, okay.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
And so most of his career was it in Denver
or was it in La? I think it was mostly La?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, well, you know what, it might have been half
and half. Actually I'd have to pull up his reference,
but yeah, it might have been half and half half
Lakers half Denver and then Dallas and then mounts around
a little. He loves sports. He was telling a story
about first of all, he loves golf. He was golfing
and there were some braves pictures like are the great
braves pictures in it? And he he said hello to

(01:13):
one and thinking it was the other, was it Glavin?
He was saying hi to matic said Glavin, Yeah, that's right,
And knew immediately that he missed any but he's head
he got. He was so excited to see him, he
got chill bumps, like that's how big of a sports
fan he is. And uh, he's a huge Packers fan.
All right, Right, he's from Wisconsin, I think, right, Uh, yeah,

(01:33):
I believe that's right. But the the best part was
when I asked him if he ever used himself playing
video games because he was a bit you know back
in the day you'd use Nick Van Exell playing your
NBA video game or whatever. And he said he never did.
But then I asked him he still plays video games?
And what he say every night? Call of duty and

(01:53):
Mad and Madden.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, call of duty?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, So will I get a call of duty bromance
going that I couldn't get going with Mike's Roy.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Could I get that going with Nick van Exell.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
That'd be ill if s Roy started playing with nick
name break my Heart for a while.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, right now it's time for this moves hot guys ever, come.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Stay on the top in the high Woods shovel.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
So it's about twenty years since the release of forty
year Old Virgin, the movie starring Steve Carell. The ringer
had a big article about the oral history of it
and there's some fun.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Things I found from it.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
So near the end of the shooting, anchorman Jet Appatoo,
who directed that, asked Steve Carell if he had any
other movie ideas. He's like, this guy's funny, and so
Steve Cross like an hour pitching in some movie about
he's in a garage band. It's like adults and basically
all of a sudden they turn into the Wiggles overnight
and Jet Aptol is like.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Nah, I'm not digging that. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
So Steve Krell walks to the door dejected, and then
he turned around and goes, hold on, I've got one
more idea. And it was the idea that started from
a poker scene, and I want to play it right
here for you on ninety seven to one The Eagle.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Sometimes Amy and I would make love because it was
almost like we weren't two people, but we were two
spirits or something.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Our souls were connected in this way. I can't describe it.
Time stood still. It was like we were sharing the
same heart.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Stop, man, why do you always come and kill the
vibe with those things?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Threeakmone asked me, don't nobody want to hear that?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Man, come on, nobody wants to hear that.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
You need to get past that, because no ass is
worth thinking that much about.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
I always say, would you please help him redeem himself
by telling a real sex story? Yes, ah, I'm talking
about nasty ah.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Wow, so many stories are running through.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
My head right now. I dated this girl for a while.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
She was really a nasty freak.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
She just have.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
To get down with sex all the time. She was like,
anytime of day, she was like, yeah, let's go. You
know when you're like, you grab a woman's breast and
it's it feels like a.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Bag of sand, bag of sand, you know what I mean?
Why don't we just play? Why don't just steal the cards?
What are you talking about? Have you ever felt to
breast before man, Yes, you know you gay?

Speaker 5 (04:24):
No, like yay, I've been with tons of women.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I touched the guy's balls at hebraw school once. It's
not a big d you like the guys. I'm cool.
I got friends of guys in jail.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
No, I'm like yay.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
No, I've borked a lot of women in my day.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Hold on, hold on, hell, you'll answer this question.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Are you amergant?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Not since I was ten.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It all makes sense.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
You're a virgin.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
That's like you kind of pitched Jon Aptel like right
as he's leaving after Japan's like that idea sucked about
the Wiggles thing. Oh yeah, it's an older virgin, so
they bang out the script. The movie grossed one hundred
and eighty million on a twenty six million dollar budget.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Wow, people made money. Yeah, people did make money.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
The studios were open to reasonably priced comedies at the time,
so if you had a movie that got fifty million dollars,
it would also get like fifty million dollars in DVD sales.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Back in the day, guy used to buy so many DVDs.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
So that's why nowadays those movies aren't made very much.
The cheap comedy this should be. I wish we had more,
but you could really bake on DVD sales. Then there's
part of you know, Jane Lynch read for the man's
role because Steve Carell's wife told jud Appatah, look, you
got a bunch of dudes in this movie. What if
she's the store manager. Steve Carell's wife was on SNL,
in The Daily Show and all that stuff. So I

(05:42):
just thought that it was kind of funny to know
that Jane Lynch is the store manager because of Steve
Carell's wife.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Do you ever heard of the term buddy?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
No?

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I haven't heard that term.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
When I was a little girl.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I developed early. By the time I was fourteen, I
had the spotty you're looking at. Can you imagine that?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't want to. I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
So we come back.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
We'll talk about the catastrophe, how Steve Carell almost lost
his nipple.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Oh all right, next just three minutes away. Don't miss this.
Been in Skin Show ninety one point one The Eagle.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Hey, we have Addison October Fest tickets that we're going
to be given away this week. That's September eighteenth through
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Have your iHeart app ready, you'll use that talkback feature
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All right, we're doing an audio retrospective of the forty
year Old Virgin. We were talking about it last segment
and KT has more. Yeah, and it's maybe you kind

(06:35):
of want to go watch the movie again.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
It's a big article in the Ringer What it's just
some of the stories and fun facts. So they start
in two thousand and five, the movie goes into production
and they shot for three days and then the the
studio shut it down. And keep in mind, Seth Rogan
is on this and he was a co producer of
this movie. So I'm thinking about the show the Studio
and Apple too, where they talk about their movie stories.

(06:57):
So they shut it down after three days because they
were saying Steve Krell looked too creepy and if you remember,
he's riding a bike, he's got that big helmet on.
One studio head said he looks like a serial killer.
And Seth Rogan said in this article, I can't believe
how clueless studio executives are. He's like, uh, because one studio.
I'd say, you're just even like Jeffrey Dahmer, like what

(07:18):
are you thinking right now?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
They're like, well, no, he's he's.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Growing up and we're gonna show you. Just so they
shut it down for a while and had to have
like serious notes and creative meetings talk about this. One
scene that I think is pretty famous is the video
game scene with Paul Rudd and Seth Rogan. Then I'll
play for you now on the Eagle. Why is my computer?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I can't wait. He's liking it.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Gay Now, No, I'm not gay.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
I'm just celibateting.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
I mean that sounds good.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I just want you to know that this is like
the first conversation of like three conversations that leads to
you being gay.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
Like there's this, and then in a year it's like, oh,
you know, I'm kind of gonna want to get back.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Out there, but I think of like guys, and then
there's the big oh, I'm a gag guy.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Now you're gay for saying that. You know, I know
your gang, you like cold Play?

Speaker 4 (08:08):
You know I know your gay.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I saw you make a spinach dip in a loaf
of sour no.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Bread one, so I was having fun with that, and they're
talking about how like they were improvising that, but Avatar stopped.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
He's like, wait, we let me onto something here.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Let's stop and like let's ride out a bunch of
stuff now, just trying to like, here's how.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Guys in the twenties and thirties talk to each other.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, they nailed it, but the movie's biggest set piece
is the chest waxing scene. Now, Steve Corell insisted that
it's real. He's like, let's not fake. It'll be good
because he was like he wanted to make them laugh too.
So they hired an actress. But they wanted to hire

(08:50):
anctress who had waxed before, so they probably call her
name is Mickey Mia.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Sounds like a porn star.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
She's the actress who did so.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
She said that she was a profession waxer, and then
it became very clear that she'd never waxed.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Seth Rogan said, it's one.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Of those things where you line on your resume and
say you could horseback ride when you can't.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
I don't know that, but whatever.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
So jud Appatil said, the worst thing you could do
when he waxed, someone has not put vasoline on their nipple.
They know certain ways to protect the nipple from getting
torn off, and we weren't doing any of that.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Oh dude, I stumbled across the rehearsal last night.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I was watching some of that your show at HBO.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah, and all these actors agreed to go on a
flight that this comedian was flying without any thought of
their safety. Yes, it's kind of reminds me of this,
like people would say whatever they have to say to
get the acting role.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
What you saw is.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
Insane because you don't know that he's a pilot to
the last episode.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And that's why it's known as the Miracle.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Over the Majave up there with like Battle of Gettysburg,
like all these big iconic moments.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
It's up there, the Miracle of the Mojave. Check it out.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Seth Rogans had Steve, I'm sure it was bleeding. I
think you can see it in the shot if you
look closely. It was an amount of blood where you're like, oh,
that could take a nipple right off.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
So he's, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yelling, and Seth Rogan was, you know, he said, we're
pretty young at the time, but he was getting homework
assignments from habitats, like, just come up with clean alternatives
for Steve to yell as he's getting waxed, because one
concern that Steve Carell had from the movie is like,
I don't want it to be two. It's already like
an edgy movie. Let's not overdo it with the cussing.
Let's not overdo it so forever. Whatever reason. When he

(10:33):
yells Kelly Clarkson, that was just written in there from
Seth Rogan, this is something clean to yell, probably because
American Idol had just happened, but it kind of like lasted,
you know, this test of time.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, so so man, it ended up being pretty great
that Kelly Clarkson became such a huge star too.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh yeah, no, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Like she's got a show that looks interesting to me,
although I probably won't watch any of.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
My wife watches it like every night. I feel like
it's feel like it's on my household.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
The time story song stories or stories of songs.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You're talking about her talk show and you have a.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Talk show which is on Yeah, yeah, that's all like
every day. It used to be on every day when
we were two to five back in the day, and
it was on every day we're like, what song is
she gonna sing today?

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (11:18):
But it's like a have an artist on and they
tell the stories about their songs like VH one Storytellers
cool but with Kelly Clarkson. But I haven't seen it,
and you know they'll probably NBC it. By the way,
another NBC fun fact real quick, Jimmy Fallon's doing a
daytime show.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Now.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
I feel like NBC's making him do this, doing a
show where it's like it's like shirt tank but not,
but it's more like here's some technology, some gadgets, or
it's like it's about sales and it's QVC that type
of thing, yes, sort of, but daytime TV for NBC. Wow,
So you can imagine things moms might want and stuff

(11:53):
like that. And he's getting made fun of because he
looks there's a whole podcast that like is pulling and
making fun of his facial reactions and like he looks
so beaten and tired, and there's making fun of him
because he's faking his way along through a TV show
that he doesn't want to get part of.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I might start watching that.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Id you of us them insisting that we go to
a paper football tournament.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Might have to be the day where he came back
on the Super Bowl as Mike and why like, we
should just do it next week.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So I don't know that the movie that that's how.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
The article kind of kind of and there's more stuff
I could have pulled, Ikne we wouldn't have time. Forty
old virgin I think I've I've always liked it, but
I never put it up on the pantheon of Apatow movie.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
He's like, oh, there at the top, And this just.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Kind of made me want to go watch it again
and see if I feel differently.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
I've seen it in the last year, just you know,
he was on cable and I thought it was great.
I mean I I really really enjoyed. It made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I don't put it on the top shelf either, but
it's but I like it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Kevin Hart was supposed to be, uh, the guy who's
in the group as well, and he didn't get the job.
And Kevin Hart was pissed at Appatel for a long time,
and he gives that credit to like how he upped
his game. Oh, He's like, yeah, I thought I would
just get it because I'm funny, and I'm friends with
jud Apptel and they hired a whole other guy.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
That guy was great, and that guy was great, And
I don't know that Kevin Hart. I think Kevin Hart
would have been too much in that role.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Maybe, So all right, good stuff there. Coming up.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Next, we go around the sports. Texas fans are not happy.
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