November 4, 2025 • 10 mins
"Is this just Jerry stirring the pot to distract from another Cowboys loss?"In this fiery and fast-paced episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray dive deep into the chaos surrounding the Cowboys’ trade deadline moves — and it’s not just football talk, it’s a full-on front office roast.The crew unpacks the blockbuster trade for Quinnen Williams, a top-tier defensive tackle, and debates whether giving up Micah Parsons and a first-round pick was a bold rebuild or a desperate swing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The third Manchego Manchego is a pretty good little cheese, all.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right with with ethan with I'll show you're goal ruling
it get except with similar sweet pursuing it. Huddled out
shaw shank through the sewer, Kid, Now what chilling at
the eagle. Yeah, we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock.
Got a habit for my house, a goat status. How
we'd starting to get crattic shows that up multiplied like
(00:34):
a rabbit dun in z on out.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Break it up beat the habit. I'm on I hang
out with a friend rocking on the radio. My moy's
gang's head.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Talking on the radio.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's time to to this walk all he we dakesten.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Ah, Yes, hello to welcome everybody. It's the world famous
Ben and Skin Show. Thank you for tuning in on
a Tuesday. And here we are at three oh one
looking at the NFL trade deadline. It's now officially coming
gone right, Yes, it is over. And so the Cowboys
did pull off two trades. One for Logan. Wilson gave
(01:25):
him seventh round pick. Let's go just move forward to that.
I saw Kavanaugh posting some film of him and he
was looked terrible, and I'm like, all right, Cavin, I
was like, he'll fit right in.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Just doing him wrong right now, he's finding his bad play. Yeah,
and he admitted that.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Kevin. I was like, look, I've only seen four plays.
I just I'm just here's one I saw.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But the big news is the Cowboys traded for Quinn Williams.
Now he's twenty seven, he'll be twenty eight in December.
He's generally regarded as being one of the best defensive
tackles in the league, in the league, so here they
had osa re signed him in the offseason. They trade
Mica and pick up Kenny, so they seem to be
set at defensive tackle. But no, they go out and
get another defensive tackle. This one the best of all three.
(02:07):
But it makes you think, Okay, Kenny Clark is going
to be a cap casualty, probably won't be here after
this year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And so look, Quinn Williams is great. Getting Quinn Williams
is awesome. That's that's great.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
And it look it helps you for this year, which
is washed, but it helps you for next year as well.
And so you're going for it with Dak as your quarterback,
you know, and but that said, if you look at
what they gave up for Quinn Williams and then you
look at, okay, let's look at the Micah trade, and
you kind of do a net net, which is kind
of human nature, it ends up not being that impressive of.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
A haul for Mike. Overall.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
You traded Micah and your first round pick for Quinn
Williams and two Packers first round picks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's not that's not bad. I
just yeah, Micah is a game.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Nikah is different, and Quinn Williams is wonderful, is very good.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Micah is different.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And to not get a huge haul and keep that
and just kind of turn this into one bad trade
and to now we're kind of three five and one
and they're desperately shooting from the hip to get some
more people in here is not smart business to me.
But it gives them a better chance to be more
interesting in the back half of this year and next
year's defense is better.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But I just don't the logic.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
On all of this is just signed Micah and I
know like they feel like they have more cat flexibility
and all that stuff. That's where I would have been though,
is like, let's use all the data we have and
everything that we have that shows us that we're decent
defense when Micah's on the field, we're terrible when he's
off the field.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Let's go off that. But that's that's done, right, Yeah, no,
it's yeah, it's signs that for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You know what I thought a lot about that, you
guys have been talking about last night watching that Cowboys
lost to the Cardinals, because I watched it after I
knew they had lost, because I had MAV's duty. So
I got home late and watched the game, and I'm
watching all the pop and the burst that Williams has
and knowing that we're.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Three are we three five and one?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Now? Knowing that we're three five and one at the
end of the night, and knowing that we're probably and
now we're past the trade deadline, not going to trade him.
I was sitting there going, man, if I could even
have gotten a third for him at the deadline, I
would have done it, because you're not going to bring
him back.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You're just gonna.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Go, you know, find another guy, or Jayden Blue will
get more carries or whatever. And dude, he has a
good running back and a team that has a chance
could really use him. Yeah, I look, I would have
been open to trading every single person that's on your
roster now that's not going to be on it next
year if it gets you more picks, because you don't
have a second round pick in this upcoming draft. Now
(04:51):
you don't have a third round pick because you traded
it for pickings, and so you have two first round
picks and then you immediately go to the fourth. Yeah,
and you have a lot of ne right, So I mean,
I don't know, if you know, I would have been
open to trading Pickens, Javonte Williams, Kenny Clark, Digs, anybody
who's not coming back next year. Don't get me wrong.
I would love for them to keep pickings too, if
(05:12):
it makes sense. But you have like your And this
is what's confusing about the Cowboys suddenly being bad on offense.
I thought the Cowboys were elite offensively and worst in
class defensively. Now they can't do anything offensively either, and
that's very confusing and alarming there.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But they're they're they're good.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They're good offensively, and the next time we see him
play will be against the bad Raiders team, and they're
gonna drop thirty again. I really think the Cardinals are
pretty damn good defensively, They're better than I realized they were.
But god, they were missing three they were missing two
corners and then lost another corner like they were They
were out their top three corners in that game, and
(05:51):
our elite receivers still weren't winning one on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah, definitely the least comfortable Dacks looked all year long,
and he was pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Got tons of pressure on him.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, and Terrence Steele just got pulled in the third
quarter for being Terrence Steele.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I don't want to because if you have, you get
a good player like this in Quinn Williams, and it
makes you want to go, Okay, I just I just
don't think they were in a position to do that,
and it sucks. And maybe they could have been and
they win their last two games, or don't get run
over by the Bears or don't get you know, trucked
by the Panthers, and it might make a little more sense.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around
(06:27):
giving up what you've given up to like you get
this doesn't make sense to me. This is I think
it's a bad business. I he was like a Cowboys
fans are probably like excited about them doing something, but
I'm just not really seeing the vision. This just feels
like it's the trade deadline. So I'm making moves.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Was I healthy last night? If he was for so
last week?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think that's a big part of this too, though.
And I thought about this last night, or I'm sorry,
I thought about this earlier today when I was thinking
about the trades. There is a lot of this that
Jerry just wants some activity going on because he knows
the team is not good, and so it's like, let's
have a flurry of activity.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
What are we talking about today. We're not talking about
the loss. We're talking about the trade.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I mean, look, we consider and talk about how
much you gave up and how you mishandled the Micah
thing all day long. I think this is a smart
move to rebuild your defense, like you have something to
build off of now. I don't know how you guys feel,
but in watching as Iraku last night, in the last
couple of weeks, I was watching a guy that I
thought he's going to be so much better next year.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're going to be wowed by him.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He is going to be straight up just to attack
the quarterback at old times. Each game he's gotten better, yeah,
each game. And it's not like he didn't already have
a resume. He should have been a first round pick. Honestly,
I agree with you. It goes back to the terrible
draft that they had a couple of years ago. All
of this when you look at Mazzie Smith, who they
(07:57):
traded now as part of this loop. Bust your first
round pick, Bust your second round pick, Luke Schoonmaker.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
What he's not good?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, I don't I don't understand that. Tomorve and Overshown great,
great pick if healthy. We still don't know if he's
you know. And then you look at your fourth round pick,
which you should be able to get some good players
in the fourth round, right, uh? Villamy Fijoko what what
M and M nothing? A seam Richard's your fifth round?
(08:27):
I mean you start get but it's like, dude, that
is a missed draft. You can't miss on everything in
your draft. And maybe Overshown's got something. Not be good
at free agency. Not be good at identifying your best
players early and getting value based contracts with them because
you identified it and signed them early. Like they're losing
(08:48):
in every area of the front office and there's no accountability. Yeah,
but having said all that, if they have a good offseason,
they'll be right back in the max next year.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Here's the gonna pay will you just so he has
no twenty I'm rounding up here twenty two million. Next year,
you'll pay him twenty rounding up twenty six million and
twenty twenty seven and you give up a second in
the first for that. That is that's not good. I
guys don't think that's smart. And he's twenty eight, so
this is not getting better. He's really good. He's really good.
(09:20):
But like he doesn't play until he's thirty nine, like
Klay's Campbell's a I know, that's a whole other deal.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think, I honestly think that you in the NFL,
you play in three year increments. I mean, dude, there
is so much turnover. Just go look at rosters outside
of quarterback. I mean there's so much turnover and extra
quarterback who you can't move on from right. So I
just know that whenever we play a team with a
badass defensive tackle, things tend to suck, you know, what
(09:48):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, it's it's always a problem.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
There you have it. We are off and running Skin.
We're gonna take us next and things Skin is tracking.
I don't know if Ben has heard of this yet,
but if he has it, he's going to be very excited.
The third Manchego Manchego is a pretty good little cheese, all.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Right with with ethan with I'll show you're goal ruling
it get except with similar sweet pursuing it. Huddled out
shaw shank through the sewer, Kid, Now what chilling at
the eagle. Yeah, we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock.
Got a habit for my house, a goat status. How
we'd starting to get crattic shows that up multiplied like
(00:34):
a rabbit dun in z on out.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Break it up beat the habit. I'm on I hang
out with a friend rocking on the radio. My moy's
gang's head.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Talking on the radio.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
It's time to to this walk all he we dakesten.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Ah, Yes, hello to welcome everybody. It's the world famous
Ben and Skin Show. Thank you for tuning in on
a Tuesday. And here we are at three oh one
looking at the NFL trade deadline. It's now officially coming
gone right, Yes, it is over. And so the Cowboys
did pull off two trades. One for Logan. Wilson gave
(01:25):
him seventh round pick. Let's go just move forward to that.
I saw Kavanaugh posting some film of him and he
was looked terrible, and I'm like, all right, Cavin, I
was like, he'll fit right in.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Just doing him wrong right now, he's finding his bad play. Yeah,
and he admitted that.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Kevin. I was like, look, I've only seen four plays.
I just I'm just here's one I saw.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
But the big news is the Cowboys traded for Quinn Williams.
Now he's twenty seven, he'll be twenty eight in December.
He's generally regarded as being one of the best defensive
tackles in the league, in the league, so here they
had osa re signed him in the offseason. They trade
Mica and pick up Kenny, so they seem to be
set at defensive tackle. But no, they go out and
get another defensive tackle. This one the best of all three.
(02:07):
But it makes you think, Okay, Kenny Clark is going
to be a cap casualty, probably won't be here after
this year.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
And so look, Quinn Williams is great. Getting Quinn Williams
is awesome. That's that's great.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
And it look it helps you for this year, which
is washed, but it helps you for next year as well.
And so you're going for it with Dak as your quarterback,
you know, and but that said, if you look at
what they gave up for Quinn Williams and then you
look at, okay, let's look at the Micah trade, and
you kind of do a net net, which is kind
of human nature, it ends up not being that impressive of.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
A haul for Mike. Overall.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
You traded Micah and your first round pick for Quinn
Williams and two Packers first round picks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's not that's not bad. I
just yeah, Micah is a game.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Nikah is different, and Quinn Williams is wonderful, is very good.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Micah is different.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
And to not get a huge haul and keep that
and just kind of turn this into one bad trade
and to now we're kind of three five and one
and they're desperately shooting from the hip to get some
more people in here is not smart business to me.
But it gives them a better chance to be more
interesting in the back half of this year and next
year's defense is better.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
But I just don't the logic.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
On all of this is just signed Micah and I
know like they feel like they have more cat flexibility
and all that stuff. That's where I would have been though,
is like, let's use all the data we have and
everything that we have that shows us that we're decent
defense when Micah's on the field, we're terrible when he's
off the field.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Let's go off that. But that's that's done, right, Yeah, no,
it's yeah, it's signs that for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You know what I thought a lot about that, you
guys have been talking about last night watching that Cowboys
lost to the Cardinals, because I watched it after I
knew they had lost, because I had MAV's duty. So
I got home late and watched the game, and I'm
watching all the pop and the burst that Williams has
and knowing that we're.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Three are we three five and one?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Now? Knowing that we're three five and one at the
end of the night, and knowing that we're probably and
now we're past the trade deadline, not going to trade him.
I was sitting there going, man, if I could even
have gotten a third for him at the deadline, I
would have done it, because you're not going to bring
him back.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You're just gonna.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Go, you know, find another guy, or Jayden Blue will
get more carries or whatever. And dude, he has a
good running back and a team that has a chance
could really use him. Yeah, I look, I would have
been open to trading every single person that's on your
roster now that's not going to be on it next
year if it gets you more picks, because you don't
have a second round pick in this upcoming draft. Now
(04:51):
you don't have a third round pick because you traded
it for pickings, and so you have two first round
picks and then you immediately go to the fourth. Yeah,
and you have a lot of ne right, So I mean,
I don't know, if you know, I would have been
open to trading Pickens, Javonte Williams, Kenny Clark, Digs, anybody
who's not coming back next year. Don't get me wrong.
I would love for them to keep pickings too, if
(05:12):
it makes sense. But you have like your And this
is what's confusing about the Cowboys suddenly being bad on offense.
I thought the Cowboys were elite offensively and worst in
class defensively. Now they can't do anything offensively either, and
that's very confusing and alarming there.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
But they're they're they're good.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
They're good offensively, and the next time we see him
play will be against the bad Raiders team, and they're
gonna drop thirty again. I really think the Cardinals are
pretty damn good defensively, They're better than I realized they were.
But god, they were missing three they were missing two
corners and then lost another corner like they were They
were out their top three corners in that game, and
(05:51):
our elite receivers still weren't winning one on one matchups.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Yeah, definitely the least comfortable Dacks looked all year long,
and he was pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Got tons of pressure on him.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, and Terrence Steele just got pulled in the third
quarter for being Terrence Steele.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I don't want to because if you have, you get
a good player like this in Quinn Williams, and it
makes you want to go, Okay, I just I just
don't think they were in a position to do that,
and it sucks. And maybe they could have been and
they win their last two games, or don't get run
over by the Bears or don't get you know, trucked
by the Panthers, and it might make a little more sense.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around
(06:27):
giving up what you've given up to like you get
this doesn't make sense to me. This is I think
it's a bad business. I he was like a Cowboys
fans are probably like excited about them doing something, but
I'm just not really seeing the vision. This just feels
like it's the trade deadline. So I'm making moves.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Was I healthy last night? If he was for so
last week?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
I think that's a big part of this too, though.
And I thought about this last night, or I'm sorry,
I thought about this earlier today when I was thinking
about the trades. There is a lot of this that
Jerry just wants some activity going on because he knows
the team is not good, and so it's like, let's
have a flurry of activity.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
What are we talking about today. We're not talking about
the loss. We're talking about the trade.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And I mean, look, we consider and talk about how
much you gave up and how you mishandled the Micah
thing all day long. I think this is a smart
move to rebuild your defense, like you have something to
build off of now. I don't know how you guys feel,
but in watching as Iraku last night, in the last
couple of weeks, I was watching a guy that I
thought he's going to be so much better next year.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
We're going to be wowed by him.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He is going to be straight up just to attack
the quarterback at old times. Each game he's gotten better, yeah,
each game. And it's not like he didn't already have
a resume. He should have been a first round pick. Honestly,
I agree with you. It goes back to the terrible
draft that they had a couple of years ago. All
of this when you look at Mazzie Smith, who they
(07:57):
traded now as part of this loop. Bust your first
round pick, Bust your second round pick, Luke Schoonmaker.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
What he's not good?
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Well, I don't I don't understand that. Tomorve and Overshown great,
great pick if healthy. We still don't know if he's
you know. And then you look at your fourth round pick,
which you should be able to get some good players
in the fourth round, right, uh? Villamy Fijoko what what
M and M nothing? A seam Richard's your fifth round?
(08:27):
I mean you start get but it's like, dude, that
is a missed draft. You can't miss on everything in
your draft. And maybe Overshown's got something. Not be good
at free agency. Not be good at identifying your best
players early and getting value based contracts with them because
you identified it and signed them early. Like they're losing
(08:48):
in every area of the front office and there's no accountability. Yeah,
but having said all that, if they have a good offseason,
they'll be right back in the max next year.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Here's the gonna pay will you just so he has
no twenty I'm rounding up here twenty two million. Next year,
you'll pay him twenty rounding up twenty six million and
twenty twenty seven and you give up a second in
the first for that. That is that's not good. I
guys don't think that's smart. And he's twenty eight, so
this is not getting better. He's really good. He's really good.
(09:20):
But like he doesn't play until he's thirty nine, like
Klay's Campbell's a I know, that's a whole other deal.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I know.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think, I honestly think that you in the NFL,
you play in three year increments. I mean, dude, there
is so much turnover. Just go look at rosters outside
of quarterback. I mean there's so much turnover and extra
quarterback who you can't move on from right. So I
just know that whenever we play a team with a
badass defensive tackle, things tend to suck, you know, what
(09:48):
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, it's it's always a problem.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
There you have it. We are off and running Skin.
We're gonna take us next and things Skin is tracking.
I don't know if Ben has heard of this yet,
but if he has it, he's going to be very excited.
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