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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Now is around the sports. Ktun Quaints has all the sports.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, last night I was kind of thinking about, Okay,
what we're gonna do for sports tomorrow. Let's see can
be looking for through a few things and oh, oh wait, wait,
Jerry jipped on Michael Irvin's YouTube channel.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
How often does Michael Irvin do that? I had no idea.
I don't think he does very often. He's been doing
it a lot recently. I don't know, but it's a
new thing he's doing.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Probably because the documentary and he's back in the line
wid and it's football season all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He anymly on a couple of days ago. Is he
not with a major thing anymore?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Or?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I wondered, I don't know what the NFL network anymore?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, but I think he does like appearances on ESPN
from time to time on their you know, hot take
debate shows.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
He'll pop in there every once a while.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Okay, So thirty minutes is about the documentary.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The second thirty minutes is about MICA's contract, Jerry talking
to Michael Irvin about it. And keep in mind, Jerry's
favorite person might be Michael Irvin.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, they love each other. So I thought this was wild.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I've pulled six clips that all pretty short, but he
did kind of escalate and now suit you guys think
about this, Uh, this is Jerry telling Michael straight up
what he offered Micah.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It would have made him the highest guaranteed player other
than a quarterback in the NFL. The world would know
that I want Micah if they knew what I had
offered him, and he knew what and he knows what
I offered him.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Now, keep in mind this is all going down.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Micah kind of simultaneously or a little after this was released,
had taken removed all Cowboys stuff off of social media, which.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is you know, it happens all the time. Everybody does
Everyone's done that. Yeah, I did it and I didn't
even play for the Cowboys. It was almost exactly a
year ago today that CD did it all right, you
know it was pretty close. He took a scrubbed the
Cowboys off all of his stuff, which I'm like.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
How deep did people to investigated this scrub everything because
most of us social media over the last five years
is about being a cowboy.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know if he completely shrubbed it. Now, if
you keep in mind, when this happened with Dak. Dak played.
You know, Dak was trying to get the contract and
then Dak played. And I think that's what Jerry is
kind of saying here, is like Mike's under contract, so
if we can't get it done now. I think Jerry's
point of view here, and I do think Jerry will
cave because he always does. I think it's kind of
(02:25):
his point of view is, let's just look at what
Dak is. Dak is the president. I thought this was
very interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
So the President is handling it like Dak, but in
this particular case, then Michael comes in and plays this
year under his contract and Vin Dunne. It's very costly
for everybody. Just a little similar to what happened when
we didn't sign him and we didn't do well our
first two games.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Didn't I mean Emmitt was under contract, wasn't he he was?
So I mean didn't have it set the president.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
This is what we'll get in to probably in a
little bit when we discussed episode four of the documentary,
which we'll do in the five o'clock hour. Yeah, you know,
the leverage for him, it was that last first two
games and the rookie running back went very good.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, Derrick Glassig was fumbling and dropping passes terrible, and
you had Charles Haley attacking people.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Not going on there, of course, But this is where
Jerry says that, hey, look, we need Mica to win games.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So you'd think we could just get this thing.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Down to win, and we should have him to win.
We can have him three years right now. We can
have him three years without having a disagreement. He'd be
the highest guaranteed player ever on defense. That's what he's
been off.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'll let it go ahead that I'll drop this one
thing on you because this is.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
We wanted to send the details to the agent. The
agent sold us to stick it up our ass.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Wait wait now see, I will show you clear.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay. Now, I don't think the agent said that. I
don't either. I think I think this is a big hot.
This is the quote, yeah, the money quote from this.
I think Jerry was trying to use his colorful language.
I think he was re representing the message like I
think Mugalatta, the agent or whatever, David Mugilatta said, We're
(04:13):
not interested in that. Don't bother sending it. We haven't
negotiated this deal yet. And Jerry was like, oh, so
you're telling us to stick that up our butt. I
think you're exactly right. I don't think, but hey, I
don't know this guy, the agent. I did see that
he negotiated a billion dollars worth of contract. He's a
top ten agent in sports. Yeah, so it's not like
but I mean, this is all everything, and it's being
(04:36):
hammered home every time I watch another episode of America
America's Team the Gambler and his Cowboys. The vast majority
of what Jerry does is disingenuous. I mean he even
started the whole thing by saying fake it. Yeah, you know,
it's like all of it's disingenuous. So all of this
is just part of the show. He knows that he didn't.
(04:59):
He knows he can't negotiate a contract with a player
and then have Steven send it to the agent. He
knows that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, it's uh, it's it's it's pretty frustrating if you're
a hardcore cowboy fan, and honestly, just talking about it
a lot is getting old and annoying. This is a
new wrinkle, though, to do it with Michael Irvin and
coming up next we'll discuss Jerry's plea to Michael Irvin
to help get the deal done. That's juicy right now
we're talking about Jerry jumping on with Michael Irvin. I'm
(05:29):
going to replay this last part that we played in
the last eight we just so you can hear this
one more time.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
We wanted to send the details to the agent. The
agent soldiers to stick it up our ass.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And Michael's face was shocked, like who had the face
of like if you paused it on your if you're
watching it on your computer and you paused it because
they're on zoom and they're up close the faces of
the people. It was like if Michael Irvin had they'll
go on to his face as if Jerry had whipped
it out like he's like the faces both of them
were making if you use your imagination, look.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh god, well hold on it. This is and this
is what Mike is referencing on social media probably when
he says don't believe what do you say? Don't believe? Yeah,
don't believe what you hear, everything you hear, see or whatever.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Matthew Lamar Jackson has done that with his contract negotiation.
This is what happens.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Guy.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
And by the way, the best players in the league
don't leave their teams that they're on, right, they stay there.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It rarely happens. I watched every bit of this and
I loved it because it was just, you know, it
was like being in and behind the scenes meeting between
Irvin and Jones. And if you watch the docu series
on Netflix, you see that Jones Jerry says this is
his favorite player ever and they have this incredible relationship
and half for all these years, and so it really
was like a sneak peek behind what their relationship is
(06:49):
really like. Do you have the audio where he was
talking about, you know, wanting him to go there and
tell them what it's like to stay with the King
and Davis, Oh yeah, we're gonna get get there for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This is a little more here, because this is Jerry
continuing to crap on the agent.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Mike has got to do the play. What is the
least incremental part of the whole equation the attorney or
the agent he works for, Mica, He's not the principal
here in any way. They're in here to make their percentage.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And multiple times he threatened to use the front like
we've got it. He can't go anywhere. He's playing for
US three years. He's been talking about franchising him twice,
which is a horrible financial move. You should not and
by that time, at his age, I don't think you
franchise him at that point because it goes up.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, and by the way, like the franchise tag is
in place for the reason it is. But just from
football economics, there's certain players you don't franchise, like he
might be one of them, and that position you don't
because you're way overpaying. You don't get spread the money around.
But also aside from that, there's just all the bad
blood that it creates, Like why would you want to
(07:55):
go through that and see if this helps anything?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Then? What did you do?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
We don't even have to have a happened? What did
you do? You and I work today?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Did you have an agent? No? It We've have a
lifetime relationship. But operating that way has put me in
you on the same page for a lot of years.
And I say that to Michael, you want to operate
around here with me? Then can you say to him
that what you do as a player can last for
(08:25):
twenty thirty years? If it's done right with me?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Can you say that?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
And I do, and I do not to see him
saved the CD layer. I've laided to that, I've said
it to all of them. My concern here is Michael
was more emotional than the other guys that we do,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
All Right, this was my favorite thing. This is my
favorite thing of the whole discussion. And I'm like, there's
no way the league is going to like this, right,
Like he's basically saying, and he's right, but he's basically saying, Look,
let's be partners for the next three decades. This is
a money tree and the apples are gonna keep falling
off of it. And one day when you're not you know,
(09:06):
when you see players getting paid way more than you're
even getting here and you need a gig, guess what
this star is gonna keep feeding you.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
You could go play for the Bengals, you can go
play for the Browns. You can go to some crappy
market where you're not gonna get all the extra things
that come with being a Dallas cowboy. Let's not let
the agent get in the way. Let's not nickel and
dime each other. If we stay in business together, you're
set for life forever, even after your contract ends. I
(09:36):
get all that. I think at this point in time,
it's a disingenuous argument from Jerry's perspective, because one I
would go, dog, you ain't got more than ten years left. Well,
I think it's the brand though, No, I get the brand,
but like, like, let's look at players from ten years ago, right,
Like one of the things about that is the Cowboys
haven't been this big winning brand. I mean they're a
(09:57):
huge brand in sports, but like the who are the
stars of the team? Obviously worked out for the quarterbacks?
Romo paid, but they're they're quarterbacks. Yeah, but they're Cowboys quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean I I don't know, like, is DeMarcus Ware
some big media star or is he making all this
(10:17):
money he want other stuff? Yeah, but Micah seems to
want to be a media guy, right, I would say, like,
Mike is so good, just pay him the money.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
He's he's worth the money high up at bleacher Report.
So yeah, I need Jerry for that, But it would
help him for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I mean it would help anyone. Yeah, it would help
anyone to have that. Uh, here's the.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Last one, though, this is Jerry actually asking Micah to
do the deal.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Why don't you grab Micah and come over here with
him and come with me and sit down here and
bridge this app I know his agent should be involved
in terms of paid for and all that kind of stuff,
but I'd love it if you'd called me up, which
(11:05):
we didn't, and said, listen, I got Mica and I
do want to bring him over here, and maybe y'all
could not. Y'all need me a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Don't trust me.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I'm gonna try it, okayiment she sounds like treating it
like family. Watch you go grab your brother, come over here,
Let's work this out. Let's go figure this out. It
feels like a trick. It's insane, man, it is effing insane.
It feels wrong. It feels really great because because it's
like he has this legal it's it's a lot like
(11:38):
when I was telling you that I watched the first
forty eight hours and the detectives try to get the
suspect to do a deal or to tell them everything
before their attorney gets there. It kind of feels like that, yeah,
come on, And then he did the real like condescending
he can paper the deal with Come on, Michael, go,
tell Michael to do what I want. So good? All right?
(11:58):
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