June 26, 2025 • 20 mins
“Is hope the most addictive drug in sports?” That’s the question Ben Rogers throws out as the crew kicks off a historic episode of The Ben and Skin Show, broadcasting live from the electric atmosphere of the Dallas Mavericks Draft Party at the American Airlines Center.In this unforgettable episode, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina “K-Ray” Ray dive headfirst into the Mavericks’ monumental moment—landing the #1 overall pick. The pick? The transcendent Cooper Flagg, a generational talent hailed as the most complete prospect since Anthony Davis.From Skin’s VIP parking flex (“I’m a TV star now”) to KT’s hilarious deep dive into the unfortunate names of real-life figures like Dicky Lovelady and Harvey Epstein, the laughs come fast and furious. Krystina brings the vibes with updates on her Nirvana cover band Oatmeal Pizza, and the crew debates whether Cherry Pie should make the setlist.But it’s not all jokes—this episode is packed with raw emotion and real talk. Ben opens up about nearly quitting on the Mavs after the Luka trade, only to be pulled back in by the intoxicating promise of a new era. “Hope is better than contending,” he says. “It’s the promise of what could be.”
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, Hello and welcome everybody. This is the world famous
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle In.
Today we are broadcasting live from the Dallas Mavericks draft
party at the American Airline Center. We're gonna do our
show from three to six. It's brought to you by
k Post Company. Very excited about this. They stepped up
there sponsoring our draft extravaganza today and it's it's fun
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to be in the arena. It's fun to be here
around all this energy. Doors are going to open here
at five point thirty. Fans will be able to flood
into the AAC and come watch the draft festivities here
as the Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick. More
on that later, but I do want to just set
the tone for this thing and introduce the crew who's
here all hands on deck on remote today at the
American Airline Center. I'm Ben Rogers, and I'm joined by
(01:48):
my close personal homie since nineteen eighty two. We grew
up together in Richardson, Texas. Given up for Jeff skin Wade.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, every time I hear set the tone, I think
of that guy in that bear mask fame. It's so good.
Not the tone that down. You know, it was a
great moment for the entire world to enjoy. But what
a horrible thing to do to that kid. Just unbelievable. Hi, Ben,
Happy Draft Day. Oh dude, I'm so excited. I can't
wait to get into all of this. But you're you're
not only doing our show, uh you will? You will
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jump away from our radio show up here at the
American Airline Center We're in section one oh one, kind
of the middle of the arena, on one of the baselines,
looking down at center court where there's a nice TV set.
Oh look, and so I look at that jib arm
I was cold skin, and I was like, hey, man,
where do I park here? And even though it's thirty
seven emails about it, I was like, yeah, I don't
(02:38):
know where to park. And he told me where and
then I go, okay, are you here yet? And he goes, yeah,
but I'm parking in a very special place. I'm a
TV star, I'm parking where the players usually park. I
don't know. We'll have time to talk to you today,
That's what he said to me. Uh so, but I'm
looking at this set. You will leave our show and
go do three hours of live television tonight. Yes, and
it's going to be simulcast right here on the goal
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thanks to our friends at KPO. So it's Draft day,
were the home of Dallas Mavericks basketball, and so we're
doing our show from the arena, like you mentioned, from
three to six tons of Cooper flag and Maverick coverage.
And then at six o'clock, MAVs TV is doing a
television show it's a party here at the American Airline Center.
They have not had the number one pick in the
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draft since nineteen eighty one when they drafted Mark Aguire.
That was before the lottery even existed. The lottery didn't
come into being for another five or six years later,
and it started with Patrick Ewing going to the New
York Knicks. But in the entire history of the lottery starting,
and when the lottery started, do you guys know how
many teams there were in the lottery? H No, any
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guests say, good, guess? Seven seven seven teams in the lottery.
And then it changed over time, and because there were
so many people that were convinced that the lottery was rigged,
they started doing all the lottery all these different ways.
And in that entire history, the Mavericks had no ever
moved up, not even moved up in the lottery, much
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less get the number one pick. And they got the
number one pick in a year where a transition or
not trans Thank you, transcendent player, you should let yeah,
just hanging out. Why did we throw him a lifelong
cra I don't know, y'all are sweet? Uh? And so
they get him, I mean last year Atlanta went from
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number ten to number one, and they got a decent player.
It didn't get a franchise changing player. It's such a
big deal that our whole extravaganza to day is music free.
We're just going to do our show for three hours
and then get into three hours of the MAVs draft
simulcast coverage. That's gonna be awesome. But also joining us
today the pride and joy of Only Texas. You know,
he had a couple of good years hitting kind of
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in the middle to late part of that only JV
batting order, little backup utility infield action on that JV squad,
Kevin kat Turnay, we.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Did enough people for a JV squad. I was on Varsiti.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Uh three, we have six in the Metroplex eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
There's no way.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's only eighty seven, significantly south of the Heat Dome. Okay, Up,
if you go up north and to the northeast, they're
having some problems now politically, I would say up in
New York, there's a big story. It's Harvey Epstein is
leading the primary. He Harvey Epstein leading Anthony Wiener and
I'm paying attention to this, like maybe more than the
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NBA draft.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Harvey Epstein, I.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Don't know if I know Harvey Epstein.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He's a real guy, and he is dunking on Anthony Wiener,
who's back now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
His brother Jeff used to hang out with Wiener.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, no, no, no, no, it's a real guy.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
He's got the worst name that you could have outside
of the Ravens played by play guy Jerry Sandusky. That
was a tough deal for him. That is tough when
that'll happen. But yeah, he's both one part Weinstein and
one part Epstein with none of the criminal stuff that
we know.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We know, right, uh So keep us abreast on that.
Kevin New York listener, I can have one more piece
of New York news like this. Have y'all seen the
new picture picture for the Mets.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
His name is a Dickie love Lady.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's not a real.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
His first name is Richard, but he goes by Dickie.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He doesn't go by dick No, Dickie love Lady, Love Ladies. Fantastic.
It's the name and effect sounds like for Electric six.
For it does sound like Electric six. A redneck dick
love Lady. Also joining us today is a lady who
is a phenomenal guitarist. She can be heard uh in
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the popular local Nirvana cover band Oatmeal Pizza. She's also
the only really good thing and redeeming thing about this
dumbass show. Christina k Red a little Baby corn Bread Racked.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Hey, guys, I still say blanket in my head when
you say that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A hard time not saying it. I'm like, is it
Blincoln or not? Is the name of the band. When
are you guys performing again? If I might ask.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This Friday night? Then at Club Dotta. Okay, we're playing
with Van Damn as well. Are you all gonna do
any Nirvana songs?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Okay, every every song but one will be a Nirvanica cool?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Is it a mystery? Are you glad to say what
the other song is?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, you gotta show up and see what.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, is it gigantic? No? Man, have you given that up?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I haven't given it up.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, is it cherry bomb? It's not cherry Is it
cherry pie? By warrant?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It is not.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But maybe at the next show we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
If you guys, the guys, you guys did cherry Pie,
I'd be so glad great?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Is there an acoustic set beforehand from John Claude?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh? I like that question.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Not that I know of him. I haven't seen him
in many action movies.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
All the steroids just made his whole body pop. I
think he's doing French love films now. By the way,
the big story of the day is the MAVs draft.
The second big in the NBA draft. Second biggest story
is the liver King in trouble. We'll get into that later. Huge.
How has that impacted the last twenty four hours of
you guys watching liver King meltdown? Man, I didn't know
what happened until you guys told me, and I still
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don't know that it happened, So it hasn't impacted me
a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I'll be one hundred percent honest for a show that's
going to do this story a little bit later in
the shot, I don't know any of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
The details yet.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Okay, I did see the mugshot and he's not holding
up well, yeah, just to subscribe to his diet and
need all those weird cook to pus and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I like watching it because it's this huge, ripped guy
with like a Viking helmet on and he's just eating
raw beef testicles. I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll watch this.
Why what's wrong with this? You guys? Let me know
when he's turned into Mickey Rourke and he is, and
so over the last I don't know, forty eight hours,
he started melting down and really seemed like a mental
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health distress call, and he started calling out Joe Rogan.
I don't know what their beef is. He started threatening
Joe Rogan and then he got in his car and
drove to Austin to meet Joe Rogan while he's making
threats and the police were like, yeah, you can't do that.
Why not just have Bernie Sanders kick his ass. He's
hanging out with Joe Rogan right now. Yeah. So anyways,
we'll have more on that once we read about it.
But man, the big story of the day the MAVs
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are I have the number one pick, They're getting Cooper flag,
and man, I don't know where the full metroplex is
with all this, where everybody stands, But for me, I'm
over the Lucas stuff. I'll never fully I'm able to
compartmentalize my anger in the trade. Do I think it
was a good trade? Hell? No, I think it's the
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worst trade I've ever seen in the history of trading,
and whether it's sports or lunch room trade and the
sandwich for a banana, any trade that's ever happened in
the history of mankind. This might be the worst one
of those. But that said, the drug that I love
most when it comes to sports is hope. Hope is
hope is better than anything. It's even it's almost better
(10:01):
than contending because the promise of being able to contend
and having a big winning window open. The thing about
Luca that was so great, he was our wonder boy
right he was young. They had a ten fifteen twenty
year window. If you look at the magical you know
nature in which Dirk spent twenty one seasons here. But
you know the hope of what was to come, knowing
you had one of the unicorns in the basketball universe universe.
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You know, even if the MAVs that ended up with
the number two pick, I'd still be pissed off right
now about Luca. But they're not number two. They somehow
lucked into getting the number one pick in this draft
in a year where it's a transcendent player, one of
the best all around number ones to come out since
Anthony Davis or you could even say sence Zion, but
an undisputed number one, like his sophomore year of high school,
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the thought was he's the number one guy in his class,
and then his junior year, senior year college he stayed
number one. Yeah, sometimes the guy starts his number one
and ends up ninety eight. He was number one as
a sophomore, and yep, number one now and going number
one in the draft, and so he's he's can't miss.
And so I could be angry about the Luca trade,
(11:09):
and I don't want to tell anyone how to feel.
I don't begrudge anyone for feeling however they want to feel.
I know some people will never come back to the Mavericks.
I was wondering. I didn't know if I was going
to be a Maths fan anymore. I bought Lakers gear,
I went through it. We're all about that's similar to
the time you bought the Joe Bond handa jer That's
actually a true story. Yeah, and I regret it, and
I hate that you brought it up on air. I'm
(11:30):
probably gonna sue you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I didn't even know that one, like he apologized a
couple of years later he bought the one.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
When he was a chief. That's not true. But I
thought about quitting. I thought about it. You know, man,
I can't do it. I'm out, I'm not in. I
can't be a Maverick fan. And I've been a Maverick
van since eighty. So this the ad, This, this restores hope.
This is my drug. He's the youngest player drafted since Lebron.
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Like he's he's younger than my oldest son, who's here.
By the way, he might be the youngest Maverick drafted
since we got Leon Wood. No, not Leon Wood. What
was his name, Leon Smith? Did you remember the guy
from Chicago?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes, But it's like the hope drug is back. Yeah.
And so look, you're you got a player who's gonna
be good for fifteen years. Yeah, who's gonna be elite,
who's gonna they not only are a contender when Kyrie
gets healthy, but they're a contender that just got the
number one pick. And so there's a lot of that.
I don't like about that trade. But I'm able to
move forward, and I know not everybody is. Did you
(12:32):
see Lebron talking about Cooper Flagg calling him a dog
and talking about how hard he goes and yeah, but
the specific thing I was talking about was he's like
he's sufforded a situation. I was not, Like Lebron went
to a team where I think their second best player
might have been Donielle Marshall. He was like, man, he's
going to a team with three Hall of famers. Think about, Yeah,
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there's three guys on the Dallas Maverick right now that
are Hall of Famers. There's two guys he's gonna be
playing with that are former number one picks. Okay, and
so he's coming into an organization where all you have
to do is look at. The thing I would compare
it to is look at how suddenly the entire NBA
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changed the way they felt about PJ. Washington Junior. Like,
it's just so different when you're in a good organization
with great players. And I'm not taking shots at Charlotte,
but they've been bad for a long time and they're
having a tough time getting out of it, and so
that has a negative effect on everybody. And so PJ.
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Washington Junior gets here and then suddenly everyone's like, oh, yeah,
I remember why he was a late lottery pick and
such a hot. Wow, this guy could do everything. It's like, yeah,
because he's playing with great players. This is why super
teams formed. Kevin Durant Lebron James like, Man, I don't
want to have to do every single thing myself. It'd
be badass to play with another great player like Magic
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and Bird did. And so it's like when you come
into a situation that he's coming into where they're asking him, hey,
be our fourth best starter on a team that has
championship aspirations, that's very liberating, right, And he has a
chance to learn from elite players how to go be
a franchise changing player. He doesn't have to go figure
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it out next to Donnielle Marshall. He gets to come
and immediately be with two guys that are franchise changing
players that can teach him how to do it. And
team building wise, it used to be about all right, man,
can you get two superstars? And then obviously you look
at the Miami he let's you get three superstars and
that idea. Now, this idea of building a team with depth.
Look what Oklahoma City is doing. There's a lot of
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you know, there's teams out there now that all right,
we look at Indiana like just guy after guy after
guy who's good and can contribute. Right that, you know,
if you were going to try to acquire Cooper Flag
to a team that already had two overall number one picks,
that would cost you your whole cap. He's gonna make
what fourteen million or whatever somewhere in there. And so
they're just team building wise. You know they could they
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still may make other trades, but right if you keep
PJ and you know you can't, Like you got all
these guys, You've got so much depth. Do you all
want to talk about the Kyrie thing that happened last night?
I do, But I do want to ask Kat and
Christina how they're feeling about everything, because I know you
guys love Luca like we all love Luca. So Christina,
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how are you doing emotionally with all of this today?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I don't think I'll be fully over the Luca thing.
I will say I am excited. I am very excited
for this day, but I will not fully be over
it until we actually, like officially get Cooper Flag like
he is actually with our team and wearing a Mavericks jersey.
And then when I see them play the first game altogether,
I think that's when I'll finally be.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Like, Okay, take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Everything's going to be okay for the next what fifteen
twenty years hopefully worn that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Do you guys remember what you thought? And you may
have watched it live, you may have not, But do
you guys remember what you're thinking as you're watching the
first half of that Rockets Mavericks game. When he took,
I was furious, and then I was cheering very loudly, going,
oh my god, we're so good. Am I allowed to
feel this way when they were When the second seed
in the West couldn't get a shot off, it was.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Pretty wild when Ad played to the crowd, Yeah, that
was huge. Meanwhile, on the other TV, I was watching
some golf. It was really a good tournament. I think
that was one of the Hawaii tournaments.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Was really good. But that Ad immediately got hurt, which
complicates the discussion. But kt where are you with everything?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm in a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Personally, I don't like that there's no surprise, like nothing's
gonna top the twenty eighteen draft, and we were alive
on the.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Air doing the show, and we were as it was
going down.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
We had Donnie Nelson on the show and he's making
jokes about we're gonna draft eight and even though eight
and was going number one, and little did we know
that trade mechanisms were already happening. And then we got
that reporter from Atlanta on it was huge. Oh, like
was breaking it kind of that the Mavericks are going
to trade to get Luca. And the other thing I'm
really thinking about a lot today is I am excited
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that Cooper Flagg will be wearing a Mavericks hat when
he's drafted, because I do think it's a real bummer
that Luca had to wear an Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Hawk's hat and his draft picture.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I still think of him as a Hawk.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's really outside of letting big trades happen before game
seven of your finals. It's really one of the dumbest
things that the league has going right now that we
can't just make it clear who's pick is who's.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You don't like that a team in the finals was
making trades after like games three.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's not my favorite and I think we could just
all learn some lessons from some other leagues because it's
just not a smart way to do business.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's really dumb.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know how many nine year olds are going to
be and confused tonight about who's getting drafted.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up nine year olds because
here's one of the things that I've noticed about discourse
public conversation about sports. It's run by social media, okay,
and things can appear bigger than they are because of
social media, and social media is mostly run by young people,
(18:04):
younger people that don't have all this perspective. Here's how
you can tell. They'll name the greatest mavericks of old
time and not one of them played before twenty ten. Right,
And you're like, okay, I get it. You know your
world is your world. But I want everybody And I
tried to bring this up during the trade because everyone
started talking about, well, who the addlsons are and Dumont
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and how they don't care and all this stuff. I
was like, I want everybody to remember that. In nineteen
ninety six, the team was run by Ross Pero Junior.
It was a real estate development and he took a
land developer gave him the job of GM. He traded
Jason Kidd and then told the newspaper it's not rocket science.
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So to act like this is some thing, Oh my god,
And I think like this the sneaker salesman, oh my god,
like dude a real estate developer traded a future Hall
of Famer and said it wasn't rocket science. This happened
to this franchise. So it's like, in the moment, it's brutal.
I get it, we're emotional about this stuff, but they
(19:05):
have a tendency. Life has a tendency to move on.
I'll be cooking at the story this is.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm glad to sell this because the nineties MAVs were
so bad and it was maybe my favorite thing happening,
the idea that the three J's were going to bring
us somewhere, and only we didn't get every MAVs game
on TV and every being so mad. The Mavericks were
the second game of the doubleheader, playing against the Lakers
on TNT, and the first game went to overtime, so
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that means they didn't get to the MAVs game until
like ten forty five, and I could watch a fifteen
win MAVs team get smoked by the Lakers, and I
was really excited for that, So like, we've got it
really good here and have had it really good for
a long time. I didn't kind of forget what the
nineties were like with this team, because Jesus, that was horrible.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They were the second worst franchise in the entire decade
of any sport. Yeah, any sport. Brutal. Well, this is
a different time, it's a different day and age, and
contender is getting the number one pick. That number one
pick expected to be Cooper Flag kind of a no brainer.
We are broadcasting from the American Airline Center thanks to
k Post Company. They did the roof at the AAC,
globally Field and at and T Stadium roofing, waterproofing and
(20:12):
solar solutions. They're really really good about that. We appreciate
those guys sponsoring our draft extravaganza. We're gonna do our
show with no music today from three to six live
from the AAC. Then we're gonna hand it off to
the MAVs simulcast of the draft. All of that happening
tonight right here on ninety seven point one, The Eagle
Oh, guess what Dad is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Guess what Dad is?
Speaker 3 (00:05):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Anybody I heard.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
With epic with our show, you're gonna ruling it except
for similar fee pursuing it huddled out Shaw shank through
the sewer. Kid, Now what you're lying at the Eagle. Yeah,
we're doing it. Three o'clock on the dock. Got a
habit for my house, a gold status. How we'd starting
to get craddic shows that up multiplied like a rabbit.
(00:34):
Tune in, zone out, crank it up, beat the habit.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I'm on hang out with the friends, rocking on the
lady my hum going on by Spinkin talking on the radio.
It's time to to this faskin.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
Oh baby, Hen we.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Go, Kat to stream up and Skin.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
All up mom radio.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, Hello and welcome everybody. This is the world famous
Ben and Skin Show ninety seven point one the Eagle In.
Today we are broadcasting live from the Dallas Mavericks draft
party at the American Airline Center. We're gonna do our
show from three to six. It's brought to you by
k Post Company. Very excited about this. They stepped up
there sponsoring our draft extravaganza today and it's it's fun
(01:27):
to be in the arena. It's fun to be here
around all this energy. Doors are going to open here
at five point thirty. Fans will be able to flood
into the AAC and come watch the draft festivities here
as the Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick. More
on that later, but I do want to just set
the tone for this thing and introduce the crew who's
here all hands on deck on remote today at the
American Airline Center. I'm Ben Rogers, and I'm joined by
(01:48):
my close personal homie since nineteen eighty two. We grew
up together in Richardson, Texas. Given up for Jeff skin Wade.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, every time I hear set the tone, I think
of that guy in that bear mask fame. It's so good.
Not the tone that down. You know, it was a
great moment for the entire world to enjoy. But what
a horrible thing to do to that kid. Just unbelievable. Hi, Ben,
Happy Draft Day. Oh dude, I'm so excited. I can't
wait to get into all of this. But you're you're
not only doing our show, uh you will? You will
(02:17):
jump away from our radio show up here at the
American Airline Center We're in section one oh one, kind
of the middle of the arena, on one of the baselines,
looking down at center court where there's a nice TV set.
Oh look, and so I look at that jib arm
I was cold skin, and I was like, hey, man,
where do I park here? And even though it's thirty
seven emails about it, I was like, yeah, I don't
(02:38):
know where to park. And he told me where and
then I go, okay, are you here yet? And he goes, yeah,
but I'm parking in a very special place. I'm a
TV star, I'm parking where the players usually park. I
don't know. We'll have time to talk to you today,
That's what he said to me. Uh so, but I'm
looking at this set. You will leave our show and
go do three hours of live television tonight. Yes, and
it's going to be simulcast right here on the goal
(03:00):
thanks to our friends at KPO. So it's Draft day,
were the home of Dallas Mavericks basketball, and so we're
doing our show from the arena, like you mentioned, from
three to six tons of Cooper flag and Maverick coverage.
And then at six o'clock, MAVs TV is doing a
television show it's a party here at the American Airline Center.
They have not had the number one pick in the
(03:21):
draft since nineteen eighty one when they drafted Mark Aguire.
That was before the lottery even existed. The lottery didn't
come into being for another five or six years later,
and it started with Patrick Ewing going to the New
York Knicks. But in the entire history of the lottery starting,
and when the lottery started, do you guys know how
many teams there were in the lottery? H No, any
(03:43):
guests say, good, guess? Seven seven seven teams in the lottery.
And then it changed over time, and because there were
so many people that were convinced that the lottery was rigged,
they started doing all the lottery all these different ways.
And in that entire history, the Mavericks had no ever
moved up, not even moved up in the lottery, much
(04:04):
less get the number one pick. And they got the
number one pick in a year where a transition or
not trans Thank you, transcendent player, you should let yeah,
just hanging out. Why did we throw him a lifelong
cra I don't know, y'all are sweet? Uh? And so
they get him, I mean last year Atlanta went from
(04:26):
number ten to number one, and they got a decent player.
It didn't get a franchise changing player. It's such a
big deal that our whole extravaganza to day is music free.
We're just going to do our show for three hours
and then get into three hours of the MAVs draft
simulcast coverage. That's gonna be awesome. But also joining us
today the pride and joy of Only Texas. You know,
he had a couple of good years hitting kind of
(04:47):
in the middle to late part of that only JV
batting order, little backup utility infield action on that JV squad,
Kevin kat Turnay, we.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Did enough people for a JV squad. I was on Varsiti.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Uh three, we have six in the Metroplex eighty seven.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
There's no way.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
It's only eighty seven, significantly south of the Heat Dome. Okay, Up,
if you go up north and to the northeast, they're
having some problems now politically, I would say up in
New York, there's a big story. It's Harvey Epstein is
leading the primary. He Harvey Epstein leading Anthony Wiener and
I'm paying attention to this, like maybe more than the
(05:31):
NBA draft.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Harvey Epstein, I.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Don't know if I know Harvey Epstein.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
He's a real guy, and he is dunking on Anthony Wiener,
who's back now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
His brother Jeff used to hang out with Wiener.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
No, no, no, no, no, it's a real guy.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
He's got the worst name that you could have outside
of the Ravens played by play guy Jerry Sandusky. That
was a tough deal for him. That is tough when
that'll happen. But yeah, he's both one part Weinstein and
one part Epstein with none of the criminal stuff that
we know.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We know, right, uh So keep us abreast on that.
Kevin New York listener, I can have one more piece
of New York news like this. Have y'all seen the
new picture picture for the Mets.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
His name is a Dickie love Lady.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
That's not a real.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
His first name is Richard, but he goes by Dickie.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He doesn't go by dick No, Dickie love Lady, Love Ladies. Fantastic.
It's the name and effect sounds like for Electric six.
For it does sound like Electric six. A redneck dick
love Lady. Also joining us today is a lady who
is a phenomenal guitarist. She can be heard uh in
(06:47):
the popular local Nirvana cover band Oatmeal Pizza. She's also
the only really good thing and redeeming thing about this
dumbass show. Christina k Red a little Baby corn Bread Racked.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Hey, guys, I still say blanket in my head when
you say that.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
A hard time not saying it. I'm like, is it
Blincoln or not? Is the name of the band. When
are you guys performing again? If I might ask.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This Friday night? Then at Club Dotta. Okay, we're playing
with Van Damn as well. Are you all gonna do
any Nirvana songs?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Okay, every every song but one will be a Nirvanica cool?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Is it a mystery? Are you glad to say what
the other song is?
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, you gotta show up and see what.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Okay, is it gigantic? No? Man, have you given that up?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I haven't given it up.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Okay, is it cherry bomb? It's not cherry Is it
cherry pie? By warrant?
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It is not.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
But maybe at the next show we'll do that.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
If you guys, the guys, you guys did cherry Pie,
I'd be so glad great?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Is there an acoustic set beforehand from John Claude?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh? I like that question.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Not that I know of him. I haven't seen him
in many action movies.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
All the steroids just made his whole body pop. I
think he's doing French love films now. By the way,
the big story of the day is the MAVs draft.
The second big in the NBA draft. Second biggest story
is the liver King in trouble. We'll get into that later. Huge.
How has that impacted the last twenty four hours of
you guys watching liver King meltdown? Man, I didn't know
what happened until you guys told me, and I still
(08:18):
don't know that it happened, So it hasn't impacted me
a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I'll be one hundred percent honest for a show that's
going to do this story a little bit later in
the shot, I don't know any of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
The details yet.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Okay, I did see the mugshot and he's not holding
up well, yeah, just to subscribe to his diet and
need all those weird cook to pus and stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I like watching it because it's this huge, ripped guy
with like a Viking helmet on and he's just eating
raw beef testicles. I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll watch this.
Why what's wrong with this? You guys? Let me know
when he's turned into Mickey Rourke and he is, and
so over the last I don't know, forty eight hours,
he started melting down and really seemed like a mental
(08:55):
health distress call, and he started calling out Joe Rogan.
I don't know what their beef is. He started threatening
Joe Rogan and then he got in his car and
drove to Austin to meet Joe Rogan while he's making
threats and the police were like, yeah, you can't do that.
Why not just have Bernie Sanders kick his ass. He's
hanging out with Joe Rogan right now. Yeah. So anyways,
we'll have more on that once we read about it.
But man, the big story of the day the MAVs
(09:17):
are I have the number one pick, They're getting Cooper flag,
and man, I don't know where the full metroplex is
with all this, where everybody stands, But for me, I'm
over the Lucas stuff. I'll never fully I'm able to
compartmentalize my anger in the trade. Do I think it
was a good trade? Hell? No, I think it's the
(09:39):
worst trade I've ever seen in the history of trading,
and whether it's sports or lunch room trade and the
sandwich for a banana, any trade that's ever happened in
the history of mankind. This might be the worst one
of those. But that said, the drug that I love
most when it comes to sports is hope. Hope is
hope is better than anything. It's even it's almost better
(10:01):
than contending because the promise of being able to contend
and having a big winning window open. The thing about
Luca that was so great, he was our wonder boy
right he was young. They had a ten fifteen twenty
year window. If you look at the magical you know
nature in which Dirk spent twenty one seasons here. But
you know the hope of what was to come, knowing
you had one of the unicorns in the basketball universe universe.
(10:25):
You know, even if the MAVs that ended up with
the number two pick, I'd still be pissed off right
now about Luca. But they're not number two. They somehow
lucked into getting the number one pick in this draft
in a year where it's a transcendent player, one of
the best all around number ones to come out since
Anthony Davis or you could even say sence Zion, but
an undisputed number one, like his sophomore year of high school,
(10:48):
the thought was he's the number one guy in his class,
and then his junior year, senior year college he stayed
number one. Yeah, sometimes the guy starts his number one
and ends up ninety eight. He was number one as
a sophomore, and yep, number one now and going number
one in the draft, and so he's he's can't miss.
And so I could be angry about the Luca trade,
(11:09):
and I don't want to tell anyone how to feel.
I don't begrudge anyone for feeling however they want to feel.
I know some people will never come back to the Mavericks.
I was wondering. I didn't know if I was going
to be a Maths fan anymore. I bought Lakers gear,
I went through it. We're all about that's similar to
the time you bought the Joe Bond handa jer That's
actually a true story. Yeah, and I regret it, and
I hate that you brought it up on air. I'm
(11:30):
probably gonna sue you.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
I didn't even know that one, like he apologized a
couple of years later he bought the one.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
When he was a chief. That's not true. But I
thought about quitting. I thought about it. You know, man,
I can't do it. I'm out, I'm not in. I
can't be a Maverick fan. And I've been a Maverick
van since eighty. So this the ad, This, this restores hope.
This is my drug. He's the youngest player drafted since Lebron.
(11:57):
Like he's he's younger than my oldest son, who's here.
By the way, he might be the youngest Maverick drafted
since we got Leon Wood. No, not Leon Wood. What
was his name, Leon Smith? Did you remember the guy
from Chicago?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yes, But it's like the hope drug is back. Yeah.
And so look, you're you got a player who's gonna
be good for fifteen years. Yeah, who's gonna be elite,
who's gonna they not only are a contender when Kyrie
gets healthy, but they're a contender that just got the
number one pick. And so there's a lot of that.
I don't like about that trade. But I'm able to
move forward, and I know not everybody is. Did you
(12:32):
see Lebron talking about Cooper Flagg calling him a dog
and talking about how hard he goes and yeah, but
the specific thing I was talking about was he's like
he's sufforded a situation. I was not, Like Lebron went
to a team where I think their second best player
might have been Donielle Marshall. He was like, man, he's
going to a team with three Hall of famers. Think about, Yeah,
(12:54):
there's three guys on the Dallas Maverick right now that
are Hall of Famers. There's two guys he's gonna be
playing with that are former number one picks. Okay, and
so he's coming into an organization where all you have
to do is look at. The thing I would compare
it to is look at how suddenly the entire NBA
(13:14):
changed the way they felt about PJ. Washington Junior. Like,
it's just so different when you're in a good organization
with great players. And I'm not taking shots at Charlotte,
but they've been bad for a long time and they're
having a tough time getting out of it, and so
that has a negative effect on everybody. And so PJ.
(13:35):
Washington Junior gets here and then suddenly everyone's like, oh, yeah,
I remember why he was a late lottery pick and
such a hot. Wow, this guy could do everything. It's like, yeah,
because he's playing with great players. This is why super
teams formed. Kevin Durant Lebron James like, Man, I don't
want to have to do every single thing myself. It'd
be badass to play with another great player like Magic
(13:58):
and Bird did. And so it's like when you come
into a situation that he's coming into where they're asking him, hey,
be our fourth best starter on a team that has
championship aspirations, that's very liberating, right, And he has a
chance to learn from elite players how to go be
a franchise changing player. He doesn't have to go figure
(14:20):
it out next to Donnielle Marshall. He gets to come
and immediately be with two guys that are franchise changing
players that can teach him how to do it. And
team building wise, it used to be about all right, man,
can you get two superstars? And then obviously you look
at the Miami he let's you get three superstars and
that idea. Now, this idea of building a team with depth.
Look what Oklahoma City is doing. There's a lot of
(14:41):
you know, there's teams out there now that all right,
we look at Indiana like just guy after guy after
guy who's good and can contribute. Right that, you know,
if you were going to try to acquire Cooper Flag
to a team that already had two overall number one picks,
that would cost you your whole cap. He's gonna make
what fourteen million or whatever somewhere in there. And so
they're just team building wise. You know they could they
(15:04):
still may make other trades, but right if you keep
PJ and you know you can't, Like you got all
these guys, You've got so much depth. Do you all
want to talk about the Kyrie thing that happened last night?
I do, But I do want to ask Kat and
Christina how they're feeling about everything, because I know you
guys love Luca like we all love Luca. So Christina,
(15:24):
how are you doing emotionally with all of this today?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I don't think I'll be fully over the Luca thing.
I will say I am excited. I am very excited
for this day, but I will not fully be over
it until we actually, like officially get Cooper Flag like
he is actually with our team and wearing a Mavericks jersey.
And then when I see them play the first game altogether,
I think that's when I'll finally be.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Like, Okay, take a deep breath.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Everything's going to be okay for the next what fifteen
twenty years hopefully worn that.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Do you guys remember what you thought? And you may
have watched it live, you may have not, But do
you guys remember what you're thinking as you're watching the
first half of that Rockets Mavericks game. When he took,
I was furious, and then I was cheering very loudly, going,
oh my god, we're so good. Am I allowed to
feel this way when they were When the second seed
in the West couldn't get a shot off, it was.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
Pretty wild when Ad played to the crowd, Yeah, that
was huge. Meanwhile, on the other TV, I was watching
some golf. It was really a good tournament. I think
that was one of the Hawaii tournaments.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Was really good. But that Ad immediately got hurt, which
complicates the discussion. But kt where are you with everything?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm in a lot of places.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Personally, I don't like that there's no surprise, like nothing's
gonna top the twenty eighteen draft, and we were alive
on the.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Air doing the show, and we were as it was
going down.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
We had Donnie Nelson on the show and he's making
jokes about we're gonna draft eight and even though eight
and was going number one, and little did we know
that trade mechanisms were already happening. And then we got
that reporter from Atlanta on it was huge. Oh, like
was breaking it kind of that the Mavericks are going
to trade to get Luca. And the other thing I'm
really thinking about a lot today is I am excited
(17:03):
that Cooper Flagg will be wearing a Mavericks hat when
he's drafted, because I do think it's a real bummer
that Luca had to wear an Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Hawk's hat and his draft picture.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I still think of him as a Hawk.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
It's really outside of letting big trades happen before game
seven of your finals. It's really one of the dumbest
things that the league has going right now that we
can't just make it clear who's pick is who's.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You don't like that a team in the finals was
making trades after like games three.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
It's not my favorite and I think we could just
all learn some lessons from some other leagues because it's
just not a smart way to do business.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's really dumb.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know how many nine year olds are going to
be and confused tonight about who's getting drafted.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, I'm glad you brought up nine year olds because
here's one of the things that I've noticed about discourse
public conversation about sports. It's run by social media, okay,
and things can appear bigger than they are because of
social media, and social media is mostly run by young people,
(18:04):
younger people that don't have all this perspective. Here's how
you can tell. They'll name the greatest mavericks of old
time and not one of them played before twenty ten. Right,
And you're like, okay, I get it. You know your
world is your world. But I want everybody And I
tried to bring this up during the trade because everyone
started talking about, well, who the addlsons are and Dumont
(18:24):
and how they don't care and all this stuff. I
was like, I want everybody to remember that. In nineteen
ninety six, the team was run by Ross Pero Junior.
It was a real estate development and he took a
land developer gave him the job of GM. He traded
Jason Kidd and then told the newspaper it's not rocket science.
(18:45):
So to act like this is some thing, Oh my god,
And I think like this the sneaker salesman, oh my god,
like dude a real estate developer traded a future Hall
of Famer and said it wasn't rocket science. This happened
to this franchise. So it's like, in the moment, it's brutal.
I get it, we're emotional about this stuff, but they
(19:05):
have a tendency. Life has a tendency to move on.
I'll be cooking at the story this is.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
I'm glad to sell this because the nineties MAVs were
so bad and it was maybe my favorite thing happening,
the idea that the three J's were going to bring
us somewhere, and only we didn't get every MAVs game
on TV and every being so mad. The Mavericks were
the second game of the doubleheader, playing against the Lakers
on TNT, and the first game went to overtime, so
(19:30):
that means they didn't get to the MAVs game until
like ten forty five, and I could watch a fifteen
win MAVs team get smoked by the Lakers, and I
was really excited for that, So like, we've got it
really good here and have had it really good for
a long time. I didn't kind of forget what the
nineties were like with this team, because Jesus, that was horrible.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
They were the second worst franchise in the entire decade
of any sport. Yeah, any sport. Brutal. Well, this is
a different time, it's a different day and age, and
contender is getting the number one pick. That number one
pick expected to be Cooper Flag kind of a no brainer.
We are broadcasting from the American Airline Center thanks to
k Post Company. They did the roof at the AAC,
globally Field and at and T Stadium roofing, waterproofing and
(20:12):
solar solutions. They're really really good about that. We appreciate
those guys sponsoring our draft extravaganza. We're gonna do our
show with no music today from three to six live
from the AAC. Then we're gonna hand it off to
the MAVs simulcast of the draft. All of that happening
tonight right here on ninety seven point one, The Eagle
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