August 19, 2025 • 28 mins
All four segments on KT's review of the first episode of the new Cowboys Documentary on Netflix - America's Team: The Gambler and his Cowboys
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Come on surprise, all right.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The eight part docuseriies his released on Netflix America's Team
The Gambler and His Cowboys. I watched episode one. I
was tipped off that episode one is far better than
any other episode. It's all good, but like the episode
one is really great.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So I watched it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I pulled audio of episode one, and I was sitting
there going, Okay, we're gonna need a lot of time
to talk about this, because you guys are gonna remember
a lot of this and some of this I'm not
going to remember because a lot of this happened, you know,
before I was born. The opening scene of this documentary though,
is Jerry and a helicopter discussing how he struck it
rich with oil, and it's right.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Here on oil and gas. Of course, it is notoriously risky,
and I was really good at boring money. I was
in massive debt. It was an excess of fifty million dollars.
And I remember my wife called my father in law
and asked him to come busy with me. She was
concerned that I was going to hurt myself. I had
decided to gamble everything most that I'd ever spent on
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one well with my life, over eight hundred thousand dollars.
We turned that well on for the first time. I
knew it was a gusher. And with that single well,
I mean I laid out with a hungry, medium dollar.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Fucky just drilling into the ground one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Think about gambling eight hundred thousand dollars and think that's everything.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I'm like, yeah, we would.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I would just take the eight hundred thousand dollars and
start my life.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Think about gambling that eight hundred thousand dollars That was
probably in the late sixties early seventies, right, or had
we gotten into the eighties.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm not sure because this is a very just kind
of a throwaway scene. I mean it's the beginning of
the movie, I mean of the documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
But is it obvious from the get go that it's
about Jerry, I mean because it's called The Gambler and
His Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Largely?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And then they really do a feature of you know,
in the in the big introduction, uh, Troy Michael, Irvan
Emmett and Dion and Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
He just said he was bar Switzer too.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
He just said he was good at borrowing money.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
God, I'm good at borrowing money. And I was fifty
million dollars in debt. Yeah, dude, that's a long time ago.
Fifty min That's probably equivalent to being three hundred in
debt now.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So he got all that money and he goes to Cabo,
all right, he's there, I'm drinking.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Nineteen eighty eight, comes down in Cobbos and Lucas just
laid around, pung over, and I saw in the paper
that owner bum Bright was going to sell the Dallas Cowboy.
I was going to go down to Dallas and be
the cowboy that rolled in on the horse. And every
Western is either the hero or the velap the stranger
(03:34):
coming to town.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Not much is known about y'all.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Sort of a corn powne carpetbagger.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
There was a sensitivity and not being a texture. Who
is this hick from the sticks chef Rochell? But this
has got disaster written all over.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
It was all popped by Jones to ruin the cowboys
so he can move him to Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh till the end of t they're moving the team.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Herschel was the uh Luca Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Yeah, because you know you got it and take a
team out of Dallas and move it to Little Rock.
It's a huge NFL market, I will say.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Due that time, George W.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Bush is on there and talks about how the economic
times in nineteen eighty eight, which is the year I
was born, We're not good.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This is where he talks about we're gonna make this move,
but first we got to call the three kiddos.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
First, Stephen, Charlotte and Jerry Junior. They're all teenagers, right,
it'll say the age of a second.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I was dead, said on being in business with my children,
and he goes, what would you think about moving to.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
Dallas when dad had called? You know, first we thought
he was crazy. Then he said, doing this will take
absolutely everything we have.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
You need to know that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
And here I am nineteen years old, Charlotte, you know,
twenty two, Stephen twenty.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Five, felt like we were just kids.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
Anything about running a professional football team. And he looked
me dead in the eye and he said, neither do I.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I knew that we were risking my family's whole fortune,
and that was madness.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So okay, so this is where we get to a
part of this. I've always heard these stories, but I
did not know how much this town was in love
with Tom Landers. Oh dude, I did not fully understand that.
If we're gonna get to that next and Jerry's plan
basically how Jerry turned into Darth Vader for a couple
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of years.
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Speaker 3 (06:12):
So we're picking this up again. This just launched on
Netflix today. It's an eight part series and we're just
talking about episode one because the episode one is I've
been tipped off to that Episode one is far and
away better than you know what you're gonna see, even
though the other stuff is highly reviewed, very well. Okay,
but Jerry has decided that he's going to go into
Dallas and buy the Dallas Cowboys because bum Bryant uh
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needs money.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
He's to sell the team's I think do they say this?
Did they say that he's losing a million dollars a
year on the Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't know that they said that, but they were
talking about how it was he was way in debt. Yeah,
so you have Tom Landry's head coach, you have tech
Shram is the GM. Well, Jerry's already made up his mind,
like I'm gonna not go that route. I'm going to
hire Jimmy Johnson and the media can't know this shit.
And this is where the famous photo at MIA's Mexican
(07:05):
restaurant here and down and this is Jimmy count tell
the story too.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
We could not tell the media or anybody anything. Jerry says,
let's go celebrate. He said, I know you like Mexican too, Jerry,
I said, you know, I've been on national television a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I said, I can't go out and public. He said, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
It's a little out of the way place.
Speaker 10 (07:23):
Nobody's going to pay any attention to us. We got
spotted immediately and someone took our photo. The next morning
it was front page news.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
That single photo showed me how volatile the bomb was.
Called the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (07:43):
Jerry Gamble figured she'd answered the Cowboys' main switchboard twelve
hundred times by noon.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Mostly it's the same message. Landry doesn't know anything. Touchlindry
is here.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
He still has his job. We still have our job.
Speaker 12 (07:55):
Tensions are high after oil magna Jerry Jones and coach
Jimmy Johnson or spotted Celeber reading over dinner.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Last night, Dan Ansault Andrew turns out that Mexican restaurant
was Tom Landry's favorite place.
Speaker 13 (08:08):
Oh, it was like, are we dancing on the grave?
Is that what we're doing now? That it just seems
so crude. It just seems so clashless.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I'm an avid, avid Cowboy fan, but I won't.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Be in the coach.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The local news footage that they got through all this
is wonderful.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
There's a lot of that, Uh, your Cowboys, it's in that.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
It's it was an incredibly memorable weekend, dude, I mean
it was insane. I don't know if they I seem
to recall that the press conference happened on a Saturday
afterget this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
This episode one is titled Saturday Night Massacre. Okay, you're
about to hear You're gonna hear the press some of
the press conversation.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Think about I mean even now, but think about in
the late eighties. You know what TV was like on
a Saturday afternoon and everyone's watching local television because this
is happening.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So the amount of love that the city head for
Tom Landry, you reference that, it's obviously a parent crazy.
He was like royalty, you know. And if the Cowboys
weren't good, it was definitely not his fault.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Who was the player's faults? Right? Like he was a genius.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Didn't he create the shotgun and the flex like he
was Like he was a genius. But he was also
revered for being classy and here in Texas for his
faith and family being the core principles he stood on.
And then here's this gambler coming in from the outside,
you know, some guy from Miami.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
What Yeah, and boy had been nailed that too, because
he's the he was the perfect Bible Belt coach. But
one of the things that happened was all of his
things the NFL was shifting and so it was out
of date.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, Skip Bayles is on here talking about him falling
asleep in meetings. He calls Michael Irvin, Michael Irwin, you know,
and and they had lost three straight years of like
losing football.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It was time for him to go, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But I'm talking about public perception, yes, yeah, like that's
what he was about to light on fire and.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Operations was bad here, just yeah, everything.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
About it was bad.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
And the way Ben's describing Jerry Jones and you just
heard Della Hanson, they're calling crude. That was the thing
because one of the things that happened was you're in
the Bible Belt and the cowboys were flashy, and that
was all tech shram okay, Tom Landry even that out
for all these people at home, you know, the scantily
clad dressed and the partying ways of the cowboys, all
(10:24):
that was overlooked because well, Tom's here. Yeah, Tom's it's okay.
You know, as long as Tom's okay with everything, we're
gonna be fine. So that was just even thinking about it,
like ideologically, it was intense.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Let's see this one real quick, and this is basically
they're about to have the press conference to announce that
Jimmy's give to the head coach, and then Jerry realizes
Jimmy can't be here right now.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
We interrupt this program to bring you the following. We
use a special report.
Speaker 12 (10:51):
A quickly scheduled press conference organized just this morning, aim
to address mounting questions surrounding the future of coach Tom Landry.
Speaker 13 (10:59):
We also know that Miami coach Jimmy Johnson is in
Dallas thing at the mansion under an assumed name.
Speaker 10 (11:04):
I'm trying to advise Jerry what he's going to get into.
At the press conference, Jerry said, Hey, you need to
get out of town.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
He flew me back to Miami.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
There everywhere you know, you realize, Wow.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
This is a really big deal.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Sorry, when we come back, you're going to hear nervous
Jerry Jones at that press conference basically announcing that he's
got to get rid of Tom Landry.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Oh do you say? And it's coming your way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Next right, we are talking about the new docu series
that hit Netflix today, America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
and with more on that, here's Kevin Katur.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So where we left off from this first episode, which
is titled This Saturday Night Massacre. Is the photo of
Jerry and Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson at MIA's restaurant,
has you know, been the front page of the newspaper.
So now they have to have a press conference. And
this is Jerry very young, and how he's kind of
handling the media here. You're gonna get a lot of
(12:10):
media reactions and fan reaction. All this stuff is very fun.
Couple couple cuts, We're gonna play here and hold on.
I want to make sure. So this is basically Jerry
in his forties, forty six. I believe Steven, his oldest
son is twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
If you haven't guessed, may I introduce Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I can't find you.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
I've got some friends out here that aren't strange faces,
and I know that a lot of you that for
the first time, we're going to see each other tonight,
and I don't want to keep those faces strange long
at all. If my voice cracks, this is Christmas to me.
I'm basically a businessman. My family and I have given
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a big piece of us to be a part of
the Cowboys. There will be nobody with the cow Boy
that doesn't give has big a piece of them. It's
a man that is going to be with the Cowboys
is Jimmy Johnson, and what he brings to the table
with the Cowboys will be more than if we had
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five first round draft picks and we were getting to
get the last five Heisman Trophy winners. But I want
to emphasize to you that one of the finest things,
that our greatest things that will have happened in the
Cowboy history is mister Jimmy Johnson joined the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Soon you made.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Jimmy and I had our first meeting this morning about
three am.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
We read Mexican food. But now I'm teasing, I'm teasing.
We met at a hotel.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Ope, he's joey.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He's going off the telepropter. I mean he's nervous. You
tell he wasn't finishing the sentence. He looks y Oh,
he's a little emotional about it too. He also called
it Christmas when everyone else in town is seeing it
as a funeral.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
He sounded a little bit like uh Tebow's inspirational speech.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's so interesting hearing his voice so high pitched
and you but it's it's kind of an eco, right.
It's like not being aware, not reading the room. Yeah, right,
doing a press conference without.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Reading the room. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Not fully understanding what's going on exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But also he's right about some of the things he said.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Huby Johnson is one of the most important parts of
Dallas Cowboys football Uh, Now we're gonna get to a
couple of clips that are the fallout from this pet
press conference, because, as you can imagine, he got grilled
for this.
Speaker 13 (14:36):
One of the wildest moments ever was somebody asking, well,
what will your role be.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
I intend to have an understanding of the cleet situation.
I intend to have an understanding of the player's situation.
I intend to have an understanding of jocks and soccer.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Okay, no one besides like a trainer, has like I've
got an understanding of the cleat situation that we've got here.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
That's the way he so crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He just wants to say I have I'm going to
be involved in every single detail.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Yeah, and it's the whole thing, like you know, so
the details. Yes, it's his way of being clever.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
I intend to have an understanding of the cleet situation.
I intend to have an understanding of the players situation.
I intend to have an understanding of jocks and socks.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
And Cowboy Nation just assumed he was a jock sniffer.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
This guy really is for Markansas.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
And he says I want his job, and he points
at Tech Shramp, the general manager, and Shram just shrunk
you couldn't hit him any harder.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Said, it's tough when you break a relationship that we've
had for twenty nine years.
Speaker 11 (15:41):
Tom Landry was just the first to get the boot
fired or forced to quit. Were Tech Shram, the cowboys
original president and general manager, the team's longtime head scout,
the veteran publicist, even the guy who played the national
anthem and the stadium public address.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I said, look, I'm here to work every day. I'm
the president general manager.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
Jerry Jones, for better or for worse, will always now
be known as the man who fired Tom Landry.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
After that press conference, you know, I remember thinking then, like,
you know, what did we do?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Charlie Charlotte, She's like, what have we done? Because everyone
is saying awful things about them?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Can you imagine two? I mean, that's the day and
age where it's news clips in the newspaper. There ain't
no social media, if I mean, So that's you know,
when they used to talk about the idea of the
news cycle that really had to do with like publishing
deadlines and the times that things aired. Now there is
no news cycle. It's twenty four to seven all the time.
(16:48):
It's just till the next news item hits. And that's
now it's all about short attention spans. Yeah, how quickly
will people forget?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Do you release it on a Friday and people have
forgotten by Monday?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So you're gonna hear some fan outrage next. Also like
a popular Showtown Nightline and I leave the host of
Sam Donaldson, Jerry does an interview after this on that
day on the fifty yard line on Texas Stadium on
National TV on Nightline, and there's a clip from that
that's very wid.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
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Speaker 5 (18:11):
The thing's big.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So I can imagine that this was a little shocking
for you guys too, as Cowboys fans. Things have been
pretty stable with Tom Landry there for twenty nine years,
tech shrim being there as long as he had. Do
you all remember what you were feeling in the late
eighties when Jerry bought the team and this was all
going down bringing in Jimmy Johnson getting rid of Tom Landry.
I mean, for me, what I know I was feeling.
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You know, when you're that age. I mean I'm seventeen
or eighteen years old, so I kind of had my
own thoughts, and especially about sports, but you very much
react to what your parents are saying, what their neighbors
are saying, what the general mood is. So it felt
like kind of the end of the world. But there
was this idea that okay, Jerry sounded crazy, and he
(18:56):
sounded like a hillbilly and all that stuff. But the
other thing, from a sports person effective was this idea
that you think a college coach can come in here
and do this, Like that was a huge component of
all this. You replaced Tom Landry with a college coach.
It was like the devil came and took over your
favorite team. Yeah, Like, I didn't have any confidence in
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it out. Granted that everybody was like, oh well, and
Landry's been here for a long time, But for this,
I mean, this did this didn't feel right?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It felt like it was the exact opposite of all
the things that we had liked at that point about
the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
It and by the way, too, it was the way
in Ben pointed this out earlier, the way that Jerry
went about it exacerbated all of it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, and that press cards he looks like a crazy person. Yeah,
Like it's I mean, I know, like it is wild
to say, and I'm not saying that like a personal
demeaning way. Yeah, And but it is like this out
of towner coming in. He's very cocky about this, and
he's kind of stuttering through his words a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
It was very strange.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, and uh, you know, Skin's right too, Like think
about that day and age of media. You know, you
have beat writers and then you have calumnists, and you
really don't have social media and things like that. So
where are you going to help formulate and inform your
own opinion? And you're reading the columnist that you know
and love, and you're like, ah, they're on the front lines.
So you're listening to Dale Hanson, You're listening to Randy Galloway,
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and you're listening to these guys and they're pissed and like,
oh my god, the sky is falling.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
So you're like, oh my god, the sky is falling.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
And to that point too, what he's talking about, like,
we still experience it today. Texans have a very particular
way about him. Sure, So not only is there the
whole Texas attitude of what is this outsider doing? This
outsider just murdered Tom Landry in the most disrespectful way possible.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, okay, so a little more fallout from that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Prescottmence Raior and in Dallas, the new era of Jerry
Jones begin with a night that will go down in
infamy as the Saturday.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
Night massacre, Jerry and the Jones family broken into the
museum and taken our most valuable possession.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
Tens of thousands of fans foot up the streets today
to state one last five to a legend.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
More than one hundred thousand people turned out to honor.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
The Cowboys football coach of twenty nine years.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Okay, I have to say, I have to stop this.
This blew my nuts off this morning while I watch this.
One hundred thousand people basically for a funeral, even a
parade or whatever it was for Tom Landry. Tom Landry
is riding in a car open in this city like
twenty five years after JFK got shot, and they mentioned
(21:38):
JFK like George W. Bush at the beginning of this
documenty is like Dallas was known as the city of JFK,
a city of hate, and.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The Cowboys fixed that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, that's what we became known as the city that
has America's team and it was less about that.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I always thought that that would have been like the
best documentary was how the Cowboys changed the perception of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I can't believe one hundred thousand people went to a
Tom Landry parade funeral. I mean that I just never
realized that the strength or power that he had.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Of Coach Landry was certainly one of the great pr
missteps maybe of all time, because I to where that
I'm sitting there looking at things, set about me, set
about Ty and eptob was how dumb I was Country
Pumpkin parkintoe.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
I'll let bud, here's a guy who took the team
to the Super Bowl five times, won two of them,
and off with his.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Dad slam Coach Landry is a great coach. I wouldn't
have bought the Cowboys had not had a tremendous amount
of respect for Coach lamb.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
A funny way of showing it.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Johnson, there wasn't any White Night business about coming into
Dallas and taking a broken team that was nowhere to
be found. I was darthager.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
This first episode is it's so good.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I mean, I've got a couple of eclips, but that
was like, dude, I'm not even a Cowboys fan at heart,
you know, right, And I was getting jills watching it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It was incredible, And man, I'm just sitting here thinking about,
you know, the era that was ending there was incredible
for us because in the seventies you know we were
little kids. Yeah, and like you know, Richardson police officers
used to go around handing out Dallas Cowboys cards and
you couldn't be so you were so excited to go
find an officer and go get a card. And yeah,
like those teams were dominant. They were dominant, you know,
(23:27):
with Stallback and Doorset and the Doomsday Defense and Drew Pearson.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Those teams were incredible.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And so all of that was officially ending and it
was like, oh okay, and.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Think about this too, just how this works together and
in this community. So we had blue laws, okay, so
you can't buy alcohol on Sundays and the malls back
then were closed on Sundays.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Okay, so it's closed.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, So everything revolved around the Cowboys everything, and back
then you got to realize there were three football games
that you could watch on television a week. There is
an AFC game and NFC game and Monday Night football.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
And so it was I.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Mean, the whole community was wrapped around the Dallas Cowboys.
So even those last couple of years in high school
for us where they were going down and they were
not good, you know, we're funny. We were having this
conversation about Mazzie Smith. I very much remember when the
Cowboys drafted Danny Noonan out of Nebraska with their first
round pick, and he was horrible, and it was I
(24:30):
felt like it was on the news every day. Oh no, yeah,
but it's but it's like the whole community is wrapped
around this thing.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
I mean, look how we are for Friday night lights.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You know here in Texas, this is that on steroids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Well, I pulled this clip only because I was still
shocked about the like one hundred thousand people that went
to the Tom Landry goodbye party. Uh so Tom Landry
comes off looking really good here talking about Jerry.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
He's a jerky, he's got a lot of money, he's
got a big mouth.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Says he's a bunch.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've had two death threats.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
They're serious about their football in the state of Texas
almost as much as we are in Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, man, I'll probably never be in another prey.
Speaker 11 (25:14):
I may never be in another press conference again, but
when I see on the street, I'll sure sale.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Or to you. I mean, yeah, that imagine how that
sounds like a political rally.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He's so sad and he's like, I'm heartbroken, but I'll
say how to you on the street.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And meanwhile, Jerry's going, we love in Arkansas, like that
they got the kid from Talladega Nights. He thinks I won't.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Jacked up on mountain.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
He's got money, but he's got a big mouth.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Okay, So here's the end of the first episode, teasing
into episode two, and I left kind of the part
of the end of the music.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's just good.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's all that hate. I can stop and cry, or
I could just keep going. Not gonna take my marbles
and go home. I can't. I burned all my ships
when I landed.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Jerry looked at me. He says, you handle a football,
I'll handle a business, and we'll make sports history. I
know the Cowboys were the worst team in the league.
The only thing positive about it being that bad is
the fact that we earned the number one kid.
Speaker 14 (26:24):
As Dangers shows Troy Aikman sitting in a chair looking
a little like not happy to be there, honestly, but
it's like, you know, the camera just comes around and
there's Troy sitting there, ready to go for episode two.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Yeah, do you know what happened in his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm gonna watch episode two a little bit later. I'm
going to see Modest Mouse and the Flaming Lips tonight,
and that'll need that part. But do you know what
his rookie year records about to be?
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I don't want to know, Okay, I no, I'm just
curious if you know from I think it's one in fifteen.
You're right, that's not great there, So they so Tom
Landry got fired, they did all that, and then they
went one in fifteen.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I didn't realize the gravity of all that though, I
really didn't.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
You did a really good job of getting me excited
to watch this damn thing.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
All right, And I don't know how episode two is
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm gonna give it a shot and maybe what will
work through episode two tomorrow? That god with you guys
show one episode at a time. Yeah, I think it's good.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So who's who's playing tonight?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We just playing tonight? Oh yeah, Modest Mouse and the
Flaming Lips.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Where's that Toyota dude?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Going to Irving My city right on the heels of
this documentary is huge.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
While you're there, ask people how they felt about that.
I love my eighties show from Sunday night. I think
they're really excited to have some real music in their
not dude. Last night they had minute work Toto and
Christopher Cross.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He said a guy was out there behind two keyboards
stretching his goose.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
How do you know what that means?
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I don't either.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
But after the show he stumbling around backstage and there
he saw Kevin Turner. Kevin looked him dead in the eye,
and Kevin said, life goes on, to be honest with you. Yeah,
and that made that old man feel good. Christina, you
gonna stick around and play music?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I am good? All right.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Everybody put your ears to the radio dial and listen
to Christina until ten o'clock right here on the Eagle.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Come on surprise, all right.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
The eight part docuseriies his released on Netflix America's Team
The Gambler and His Cowboys. I watched episode one. I
was tipped off that episode one is far better than
any other episode. It's all good, but like the episode
one is really great.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
So I watched it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I pulled audio of episode one, and I was sitting
there going, Okay, we're gonna need a lot of time
to talk about this, because you guys are gonna remember
a lot of this and some of this I'm not
going to remember because a lot of this happened, you know,
before I was born. The opening scene of this documentary though,
is Jerry and a helicopter discussing how he struck it
rich with oil, and it's right.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Here on oil and gas. Of course, it is notoriously risky,
and I was really good at boring money. I was
in massive debt. It was an excess of fifty million dollars.
And I remember my wife called my father in law
and asked him to come busy with me. She was
concerned that I was going to hurt myself. I had
decided to gamble everything most that I'd ever spent on
(01:50):
one well with my life, over eight hundred thousand dollars.
We turned that well on for the first time. I
knew it was a gusher. And with that single well,
I mean I laid out with a hungry, medium dollar.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Fucky just drilling into the ground one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
That's wild.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Think about gambling eight hundred thousand dollars and think that's everything.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I'm like, yeah, we would.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I would just take the eight hundred thousand dollars and
start my life.
Speaker 7 (02:18):
Think about gambling that eight hundred thousand dollars That was
probably in the late sixties early seventies, right, or had
we gotten into the eighties.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I'm not sure because this is a very just kind
of a throwaway scene. I mean it's the beginning of
the movie, I mean of the documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
But is it obvious from the get go that it's
about Jerry, I mean because it's called The Gambler and
His Cowboys?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Largely?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And then they really do a feature of you know,
in the in the big introduction, uh, Troy Michael, Irvan
Emmett and Dion and Jimmy Johnson.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
He just said he was bar Switzer too.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
He just said he was good at borrowing money.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
God, I'm good at borrowing money. And I was fifty
million dollars in debt. Yeah, dude, that's a long time ago.
Fifty min That's probably equivalent to being three hundred in
debt now.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
No doubt.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
So he got all that money and he goes to Cabo,
all right, he's there, I'm drinking.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Nineteen eighty eight, comes down in Cobbos and Lucas just
laid around, pung over, and I saw in the paper
that owner bum Bright was going to sell the Dallas Cowboy.
I was going to go down to Dallas and be
the cowboy that rolled in on the horse. And every
Western is either the hero or the velap the stranger
(03:34):
coming to town.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Not much is known about y'all.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
Sort of a corn powne carpetbagger.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
There was a sensitivity and not being a texture. Who
is this hick from the sticks chef Rochell? But this
has got disaster written all over.
Speaker 8 (03:50):
It was all popped by Jones to ruin the cowboys
so he can move him to Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Oh till the end of t they're moving the team.
Speaker 6 (04:03):
Herschel was the uh Luca Yeah.
Speaker 7 (04:05):
Yeah, because you know you got it and take a
team out of Dallas and move it to Little Rock.
It's a huge NFL market, I will say.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Due that time, George W.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Bush is on there and talks about how the economic
times in nineteen eighty eight, which is the year I
was born, We're not good.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
It was horrible. It was horrible.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
This is where he talks about we're gonna make this move,
but first we got to call the three kiddos.
Speaker 7 (04:26):
First, Stephen, Charlotte and Jerry Junior. They're all teenagers, right,
it'll say the age of a second.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
I was dead, said on being in business with my children,
and he goes, what would you think about moving to.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
Dallas when dad had called? You know, first we thought
he was crazy. Then he said, doing this will take
absolutely everything we have.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
You need to know that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
And here I am nineteen years old, Charlotte, you know,
twenty two, Stephen twenty.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Five, felt like we were just kids.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (05:00):
Anything about running a professional football team. And he looked
me dead in the eye and he said, neither do I.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I knew that we were risking my family's whole fortune,
and that was madness.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
All right.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
So okay, so this is where we get to a
part of this. I've always heard these stories, but I
did not know how much this town was in love
with Tom Landers. Oh dude, I did not fully understand that.
If we're gonna get to that next and Jerry's plan
basically how Jerry turned into Darth Vader for a couple
(05:34):
of years.
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Speaker 3 (06:12):
So we're picking this up again. This just launched on
Netflix today. It's an eight part series and we're just
talking about episode one because the episode one is I've
been tipped off to that Episode one is far and
away better than you know what you're gonna see, even
though the other stuff is highly reviewed, very well. Okay,
but Jerry has decided that he's going to go into
Dallas and buy the Dallas Cowboys because bum Bryant uh
(06:35):
needs money.
Speaker 7 (06:36):
He's to sell the team's I think do they say this?
Did they say that he's losing a million dollars a
year on the Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't know that they said that, but they were
talking about how it was he was way in debt. Yeah,
so you have Tom Landry's head coach, you have tech
Shram is the GM. Well, Jerry's already made up his mind,
like I'm gonna not go that route. I'm going to
hire Jimmy Johnson and the media can't know this shit.
And this is where the famous photo at MIA's Mexican
(07:05):
restaurant here and down and this is Jimmy count tell
the story too.
Speaker 10 (07:08):
We could not tell the media or anybody anything. Jerry says,
let's go celebrate. He said, I know you like Mexican too, Jerry,
I said, you know, I've been on national television a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I said, I can't go out and public. He said, no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
It's a little out of the way place.
Speaker 10 (07:23):
Nobody's going to pay any attention to us. We got
spotted immediately and someone took our photo. The next morning
it was front page news.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
That single photo showed me how volatile the bomb was.
Called the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (07:43):
Jerry Gamble figured she'd answered the Cowboys' main switchboard twelve
hundred times by noon.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Mostly it's the same message. Landry doesn't know anything. Touchlindry
is here.
Speaker 7 (07:52):
He still has his job. We still have our job.
Speaker 12 (07:55):
Tensions are high after oil magna Jerry Jones and coach
Jimmy Johnson or spotted Celeber reading over dinner.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Last night, Dan Ansault Andrew turns out that Mexican restaurant
was Tom Landry's favorite place.
Speaker 13 (08:08):
Oh, it was like, are we dancing on the grave?
Is that what we're doing now? That it just seems
so crude. It just seems so clashless.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I'm an avid, avid Cowboy fan, but I won't.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Be in the coach.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
The local news footage that they got through all this
is wonderful.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
There's a lot of that, Uh, your Cowboys, it's in that.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
It's it was an incredibly memorable weekend, dude, I mean
it was insane. I don't know if they I seem
to recall that the press conference happened on a Saturday
afterget this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
This episode one is titled Saturday Night Massacre. Okay, you're
about to hear You're gonna hear the press some of
the press conversation.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
Think about I mean even now, but think about in
the late eighties. You know what TV was like on
a Saturday afternoon and everyone's watching local television because this
is happening.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
So the amount of love that the city head for
Tom Landry, you reference that, it's obviously a parent crazy.
He was like royalty, you know. And if the Cowboys
weren't good, it was definitely not his fault.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Who was the player's faults? Right? Like he was a genius.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Didn't he create the shotgun and the flex like he
was Like he was a genius. But he was also
revered for being classy and here in Texas for his
faith and family being the core principles he stood on.
And then here's this gambler coming in from the outside,
you know, some guy from Miami.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
What Yeah, and boy had been nailed that too, because
he's the he was the perfect Bible Belt coach. But
one of the things that happened was all of his
things the NFL was shifting and so it was out
of date.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, Skip Bayles is on here talking about him falling
asleep in meetings. He calls Michael Irvin, Michael Irwin, you know,
and and they had lost three straight years of like
losing football.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
It was time for him to go, there's no question.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
But I'm talking about public perception, yes, yeah, like that's
what he was about to light on fire and.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Operations was bad here, just yeah, everything.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
About it was bad.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
And the way Ben's describing Jerry Jones and you just
heard Della Hanson, they're calling crude. That was the thing
because one of the things that happened was you're in
the Bible Belt and the cowboys were flashy, and that
was all tech shram okay, Tom Landry even that out
for all these people at home, you know, the scantily
clad dressed and the partying ways of the cowboys, all
(10:24):
that was overlooked because well, Tom's here. Yeah, Tom's it's okay.
You know, as long as Tom's okay with everything, we're
gonna be fine. So that was just even thinking about it,
like ideologically, it was intense.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Let's see this one real quick, and this is basically
they're about to have the press conference to announce that
Jimmy's give to the head coach, and then Jerry realizes
Jimmy can't be here right now.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
We interrupt this program to bring you the following. We
use a special report.
Speaker 12 (10:51):
A quickly scheduled press conference organized just this morning, aim
to address mounting questions surrounding the future of coach Tom Landry.
Speaker 13 (10:59):
We also know that Miami coach Jimmy Johnson is in
Dallas thing at the mansion under an assumed name.
Speaker 10 (11:04):
I'm trying to advise Jerry what he's going to get into.
At the press conference, Jerry said, Hey, you need to
get out of town.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
He flew me back to Miami.
Speaker 9 (11:15):
There everywhere you know, you realize, Wow.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
This is a really big deal.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Sorry, when we come back, you're going to hear nervous
Jerry Jones at that press conference basically announcing that he's
got to get rid of Tom Landry.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
Oh do you say? And it's coming your way.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Next right, we are talking about the new docu series
that hit Netflix today, America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys,
and with more on that, here's Kevin Katur.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So where we left off from this first episode, which
is titled This Saturday Night Massacre. Is the photo of
Jerry and Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson at MIA's restaurant,
has you know, been the front page of the newspaper.
So now they have to have a press conference. And
this is Jerry very young, and how he's kind of
handling the media here. You're gonna get a lot of
(12:10):
media reactions and fan reaction. All this stuff is very fun.
Couple couple cuts, We're gonna play here and hold on.
I want to make sure. So this is basically Jerry
in his forties, forty six. I believe Steven, his oldest
son is twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 8 (12:24):
If you haven't guessed, may I introduce Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
I can't find you.
Speaker 8 (12:30):
I've got some friends out here that aren't strange faces,
and I know that a lot of you that for
the first time, we're going to see each other tonight,
and I don't want to keep those faces strange long
at all. If my voice cracks, this is Christmas to me.
I'm basically a businessman. My family and I have given
(12:54):
a big piece of us to be a part of
the Cowboys. There will be nobody with the cow Boy
that doesn't give has big a piece of them. It's
a man that is going to be with the Cowboys
is Jimmy Johnson, and what he brings to the table
with the Cowboys will be more than if we had
(13:14):
five first round draft picks and we were getting to
get the last five Heisman Trophy winners. But I want
to emphasize to you that one of the finest things,
that our greatest things that will have happened in the
Cowboy history is mister Jimmy Johnson joined the Cowboys.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Soon you made.
Speaker 8 (13:34):
Jimmy and I had our first meeting this morning about
three am.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
We read Mexican food. But now I'm teasing, I'm teasing.
We met at a hotel.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Ope, he's joey.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
He's going off the telepropter. I mean he's nervous. You
tell he wasn't finishing the sentence. He looks y Oh,
he's a little emotional about it too. He also called
it Christmas when everyone else in town is seeing it
as a funeral.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (13:59):
He sounded a little bit like uh Tebow's inspirational speech.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, it's so interesting hearing his voice so high pitched
and you but it's it's kind of an eco, right.
It's like not being aware, not reading the room. Yeah, right,
doing a press conference without.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Reading the room. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Not fully understanding what's going on exactly.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
But also he's right about some of the things he said.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Huby Johnson is one of the most important parts of
Dallas Cowboys football Uh, Now we're gonna get to a
couple of clips that are the fallout from this pet
press conference, because, as you can imagine, he got grilled
for this.
Speaker 13 (14:36):
One of the wildest moments ever was somebody asking, well,
what will your role be.
Speaker 8 (14:41):
I intend to have an understanding of the cleet situation.
I intend to have an understanding of the player's situation.
I intend to have an understanding of jocks and soccer.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Okay, no one besides like a trainer, has like I've
got an understanding of the cleat situation that we've got here.
Speaker 6 (14:57):
That's the way he so crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
He just wants to say I have I'm going to
be involved in every single detail.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
Yeah, and it's the whole thing, like you know, so
the details. Yes, it's his way of being clever.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
I intend to have an understanding of the cleet situation.
I intend to have an understanding of the players situation.
I intend to have an understanding of jocks and socks.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
And Cowboy Nation just assumed he was a jock sniffer.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
This guy really is for Markansas.
Speaker 13 (15:26):
And he says I want his job, and he points
at Tech Shramp, the general manager, and Shram just shrunk
you couldn't hit him any harder.
Speaker 8 (15:36):
Said, it's tough when you break a relationship that we've
had for twenty nine years.
Speaker 11 (15:41):
Tom Landry was just the first to get the boot
fired or forced to quit. Were Tech Shram, the cowboys
original president and general manager, the team's longtime head scout,
the veteran publicist, even the guy who played the national
anthem and the stadium public address.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I said, look, I'm here to work every day. I'm
the president general manager.
Speaker 8 (16:07):
Jerry Jones, for better or for worse, will always now
be known as the man who fired Tom Landry.
Speaker 9 (16:14):
After that press conference, you know, I remember thinking then, like,
you know, what did we do?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Charlie Charlotte, She's like, what have we done? Because everyone
is saying awful things about them?
Speaker 5 (16:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Can you imagine two? I mean, that's the day and
age where it's news clips in the newspaper. There ain't
no social media, if I mean, So that's you know,
when they used to talk about the idea of the
news cycle that really had to do with like publishing
deadlines and the times that things aired. Now there is
no news cycle. It's twenty four to seven all the time.
(16:48):
It's just till the next news item hits. And that's
now it's all about short attention spans. Yeah, how quickly
will people forget?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Do you release it on a Friday and people have
forgotten by Monday?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
So you're gonna hear some fan outrage next. Also like
a popular Showtown Nightline and I leave the host of
Sam Donaldson, Jerry does an interview after this on that
day on the fifty yard line on Texas Stadium on
National TV on Nightline, and there's a clip from that
that's very wid.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
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Speaker 5 (18:11):
The thing's big.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
So I can imagine that this was a little shocking
for you guys too, as Cowboys fans. Things have been
pretty stable with Tom Landry there for twenty nine years,
tech shrim being there as long as he had. Do
you all remember what you were feeling in the late
eighties when Jerry bought the team and this was all
going down bringing in Jimmy Johnson getting rid of Tom Landry.
I mean, for me, what I know I was feeling.
(18:35):
You know, when you're that age. I mean I'm seventeen
or eighteen years old, so I kind of had my
own thoughts, and especially about sports, but you very much
react to what your parents are saying, what their neighbors
are saying, what the general mood is. So it felt
like kind of the end of the world. But there
was this idea that okay, Jerry sounded crazy, and he
(18:56):
sounded like a hillbilly and all that stuff. But the
other thing, from a sports person effective was this idea
that you think a college coach can come in here
and do this, Like that was a huge component of
all this. You replaced Tom Landry with a college coach.
It was like the devil came and took over your
favorite team. Yeah, Like, I didn't have any confidence in
(19:17):
it out. Granted that everybody was like, oh well, and
Landry's been here for a long time, But for this,
I mean, this did this didn't feel right?
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
It felt like it was the exact opposite of all
the things that we had liked at that point about
the Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
It and by the way, too, it was the way
in Ben pointed this out earlier, the way that Jerry
went about it exacerbated all of it.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, and that press cards he looks like a crazy person. Yeah,
Like it's I mean, I know, like it is wild
to say, and I'm not saying that like a personal
demeaning way. Yeah, And but it is like this out
of towner coming in. He's very cocky about this, and
he's kind of stuttering through his words a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
It was very strange.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, and uh, you know, Skin's right too, Like think
about that day and age of media. You know, you
have beat writers and then you have calumnists, and you
really don't have social media and things like that. So
where are you going to help formulate and inform your
own opinion? And you're reading the columnist that you know
and love, and you're like, ah, they're on the front lines.
So you're listening to Dale Hanson, You're listening to Randy Galloway,
(20:18):
and you're listening to these guys and they're pissed and like,
oh my god, the sky is falling.
Speaker 6 (20:24):
So you're like, oh my god, the sky is falling.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
And to that point too, what he's talking about, like,
we still experience it today. Texans have a very particular
way about him. Sure, So not only is there the
whole Texas attitude of what is this outsider doing? This
outsider just murdered Tom Landry in the most disrespectful way possible.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, okay, so a little more fallout from that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Prescottmence Raior and in Dallas, the new era of Jerry
Jones begin with a night that will go down in
infamy as the Saturday.
Speaker 13 (20:55):
Night massacre, Jerry and the Jones family broken into the
museum and taken our most valuable possession.
Speaker 12 (21:05):
Tens of thousands of fans foot up the streets today
to state one last five to a legend.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
More than one hundred thousand people turned out to honor.
Speaker 9 (21:14):
The Cowboys football coach of twenty nine years.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Okay, I have to say, I have to stop this.
This blew my nuts off this morning while I watch this.
One hundred thousand people basically for a funeral, even a
parade or whatever it was for Tom Landry. Tom Landry
is riding in a car open in this city like
twenty five years after JFK got shot, and they mentioned
(21:38):
JFK like George W. Bush at the beginning of this
documenty is like Dallas was known as the city of JFK,
a city of hate, and.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
The Cowboys fixed that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yeah, that's what we became known as the city that
has America's team and it was less about that.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I always thought that that would have been like the
best documentary was how the Cowboys changed the perception of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
I can't believe one hundred thousand people went to a
Tom Landry parade funeral. I mean that I just never
realized that the strength or power that he had.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Of Coach Landry was certainly one of the great pr
missteps maybe of all time, because I to where that
I'm sitting there looking at things, set about me, set
about Ty and eptob was how dumb I was Country
Pumpkin parkintoe.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
I'll let bud, here's a guy who took the team
to the Super Bowl five times, won two of them,
and off with his.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
Dad slam Coach Landry is a great coach. I wouldn't
have bought the Cowboys had not had a tremendous amount
of respect for Coach lamb.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
A funny way of showing it.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Johnson, there wasn't any White Night business about coming into
Dallas and taking a broken team that was nowhere to
be found. I was darthager.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
This first episode is it's so good.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I mean, I've got a couple of eclips, but that
was like, dude, I'm not even a Cowboys fan at heart,
you know, right, And I was getting jills watching it.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It was incredible, And man, I'm just sitting here thinking about,
you know, the era that was ending there was incredible
for us because in the seventies you know we were
little kids. Yeah, and like you know, Richardson police officers
used to go around handing out Dallas Cowboys cards and
you couldn't be so you were so excited to go
find an officer and go get a card. And yeah,
like those teams were dominant. They were dominant, you know,
(23:27):
with Stallback and Doorset and the Doomsday Defense and Drew Pearson.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Those teams were incredible.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And so all of that was officially ending and it
was like, oh okay, and.
Speaker 7 (23:38):
Think about this too, just how this works together and
in this community. So we had blue laws, okay, so
you can't buy alcohol on Sundays and the malls back
then were closed on Sundays.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
Okay, so it's closed.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
Yeah, So everything revolved around the Cowboys everything, and back
then you got to realize there were three football games
that you could watch on television a week. There is
an AFC game and NFC game and Monday Night football.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
And so it was I.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Mean, the whole community was wrapped around the Dallas Cowboys.
So even those last couple of years in high school
for us where they were going down and they were
not good, you know, we're funny. We were having this
conversation about Mazzie Smith. I very much remember when the
Cowboys drafted Danny Noonan out of Nebraska with their first
round pick, and he was horrible, and it was I
(24:30):
felt like it was on the news every day. Oh no, yeah,
but it's but it's like the whole community is wrapped
around this thing.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
I mean, look how we are for Friday night lights.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You know here in Texas, this is that on steroids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Well, I pulled this clip only because I was still
shocked about the like one hundred thousand people that went
to the Tom Landry goodbye party. Uh so Tom Landry
comes off looking really good here talking about Jerry.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
He's a jerky, he's got a lot of money, he's
got a big mouth.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Says he's a bunch.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I've had two death threats.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
They're serious about their football in the state of Texas
almost as much as we are in Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
No, man, I'll probably never be in another prey.
Speaker 11 (25:14):
I may never be in another press conference again, but
when I see on the street, I'll sure sale.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Or to you. I mean, yeah, that imagine how that
sounds like a political rally.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
He's so sad and he's like, I'm heartbroken, but I'll
say how to you on the street.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
And meanwhile, Jerry's going, we love in Arkansas, like that
they got the kid from Talladega Nights. He thinks I won't.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Jacked up on mountain.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
He's got money, but he's got a big mouth.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Okay, So here's the end of the first episode, teasing
into episode two, and I left kind of the part
of the end of the music.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
It's just good.
Speaker 5 (25:56):
It's all that hate. I can stop and cry, or
I could just keep going. Not gonna take my marbles
and go home. I can't. I burned all my ships
when I landed.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Jerry looked at me. He says, you handle a football,
I'll handle a business, and we'll make sports history. I
know the Cowboys were the worst team in the league.
The only thing positive about it being that bad is
the fact that we earned the number one kid.
Speaker 14 (26:24):
As Dangers shows Troy Aikman sitting in a chair looking
a little like not happy to be there, honestly, but
it's like, you know, the camera just comes around and
there's Troy sitting there, ready to go for episode two.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Yeah, do you know what happened in his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm gonna watch episode two a little bit later. I'm
going to see Modest Mouse and the Flaming Lips tonight,
and that'll need that part. But do you know what
his rookie year records about to be?
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I don't want to know, Okay, I no, I'm just
curious if you know from I think it's one in fifteen.
You're right, that's not great there, So they so Tom
Landry got fired, they did all that, and then they
went one in fifteen.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I didn't realize the gravity of all that though, I
really didn't.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
You did a really good job of getting me excited
to watch this damn thing.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
All right, And I don't know how episode two is
gonna be.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm gonna give it a shot and maybe what will
work through episode two tomorrow? That god with you guys
show one episode at a time. Yeah, I think it's good.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So who's who's playing tonight?
Speaker 3 (27:31):
We just playing tonight? Oh yeah, Modest Mouse and the
Flaming Lips.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Where's that Toyota dude?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Going to Irving My city right on the heels of
this documentary is huge.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
While you're there, ask people how they felt about that.
I love my eighties show from Sunday night. I think
they're really excited to have some real music in their
not dude. Last night they had minute work Toto and
Christopher Cross.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He said a guy was out there behind two keyboards
stretching his goose.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
How do you know what that means?
Speaker 6 (27:57):
I don't either.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
But after the show he stumbling around backstage and there
he saw Kevin Turner. Kevin looked him dead in the eye,
and Kevin said, life goes on, to be honest with you. Yeah,
and that made that old man feel good. Christina, you
gonna stick around and play music?
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I am good? All right.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
Everybody put your ears to the radio dial and listen
to Christina until ten o'clock right here on the Eagle.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
There are you going, well, I'm gonna get my sock bag, dude,
al right,
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