October 23, 2025 • 9 mins
Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina “K-Ray” Ray dive headfirst into the Mavs season opener and the jaw-dropping dominance of Victor Wembanyama, as the crew breaks down what might be the beginning of a new basketball era.Wimby’s Ascension: “The league is over if he’s healthy.” Skin’s prophetic take from last year comes full circle as Wimby puts on a performance that leaves the crew stunned. Fall-away threes, reverse dunks without jumping, and shot fakes that make defenders look foolish—this is his league now.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
She says that she's starting to fill her age and
says that she will keep moving until she no longer can.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I heard it with Evan with I show, you're gone
bruing it. We except for Simil be pursuing it. Hold
out Shaw shank through the sewer bid Now what chilling
(00:28):
in that the eagle? Yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Three your clocking on the dot.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Got a habit for my house or go? That is
how it's starting, kid Crattit shows that enough multiplied like
a rabbit.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Tune in some out break it up, feed the habit.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Illa to hang out with my friend rocking on her LADYO.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
My your known boys gin.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Talking on her radio.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's time to do this fons again.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Oh bababy we go, Kati, Christina Skin hold up Happy Thursday, everybody.
This is the dumbest show in America. What does it
say about you that you're listening? Well, you just look
at yourself in your rearview mirror and you decide what
that means.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
This is the world famous Ben and Skin Show. Ben Rogers,
Jeff skin Wade, Kevin kt Turner, and Christina Kray Little
Baby Cornbread Ray from Ooatemeal Pizza and uh man, I
just I love that drop. We never know what dropped.
Christina's going to play at the beginning of the show.
It's always awesome. And I just want to take a
listen to that because Skin laughed in a way that
(01:38):
sounded like someone was killing a witchd it's how you're
melting a witch.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm melting we kill the witch. The dirty Grandma felled.
I'm gonna pitch.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It does sound like we convinced dirty Grandma to take
the stairs.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
She fell down al flight, so slow motion fall.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
She was falling into a well and then she disappeared
into the darkness and we don't know if sheet. The
crescendo is so amazing. It totally buries the wieze. At
the beginning of it, there's a weave, so she takes
her last breath and then falls down the elevator shaft.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We've been doing show since two thousand and one. I've
never heard that. That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh that was so good. Thank you to that ninety
year old for working out really kind of launched all that.
You know, all right, we got we got a great
show planned for you. Unfortunately, I've got to start to
show off with sadness.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Last night, the Dallas Mavericks played.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Basketball waite spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I have it on my dv R. I'm gonna watch
it later. And it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And uh, I don't know how I had been convinced
to think that you don't even need a point guard anymore.
Just uh, you know, you got a six eight six
nine rookies never played a game of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Why not let him be our point guard.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know, he's his first game ever, but just let
him do it. It's it's It reminds me of Ron
Washington and and Moneyball. Just go play first base. It's
not that hard. Is it hard to wash? It's exceptionally hard.
It's incredibly hard.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It didn't. It didn't work out.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And on a night when there was so much excitement
about watching Cooper flag our young phenom, a different young
phenom stole the show. And Wimby is a god. I
think he's seven foot seven with two guard skills. And
if he's gonna play like this, it reminds me of
what Skin was telling me maybe a year or two ago.
(04:04):
This is Wimby's league now, And you were so right, man,
I you know we're talking about things that we fell for.
Like before the season started, I was thinking, Okay, we'll
put the Spurs as a top four team. You know,
as we're starting, I was like, the team that's gonna
fall out of the top four is Minnesota. It's gonna
be Oklahoma City, it's gonna be Denver. And then you
(04:26):
need to go ahead and put san Antonio in there.
And then how is Houston gonna be?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
We don't officially know yet and all that, but if
you look at all the preseason projections from all the experts,
nobody had san Antonio in the top six or seven.
And I was sitting there looking going, man, I guess
I've just over hyped Deer and Fox or something. I
don't know anybody who watched that game last night, League's over. Like,
(04:52):
I don't care if you have Luca, league is over.
If that guy's healthy, nobody beats them. And their second
best player wasn't on the floor last night, Nobody beats them.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Dude, if he's seven five seven six seven seven, even
I mean he he just looks huge.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Like there was a there's this thing going viral. It
was PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Washington falling for a wimby shot, fake uh huh, And
people are like, well, I don't understand. What what did
you think you're gonna do? Even if he shot that,
you weren't gonna get anywhere near it. So don't ever
jump on a shot fake. And he's agile and long,
and so if he starts moving towards the basket, it's
a layup like he is unstoppable. Did you see I'm
(05:34):
I'm sure and I can't remember if it was that?
Was that the play where Anthony Davis fouled him on
the reverse dunk where he never left the ground and
then he and he was doing it to Anthony Davis
all night, who might be the best defensive big in
the world.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm just saying that the league is over. If you
raise it, it's gotta be twelve feet. If he's healthy,
the league is over. No nobody stops that.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And the thing is is he's got an All NBA
caliber point guard that's not healthy right now that's going
to be joining him. Stefan Castle, who ate Cooper flags
lunch and then gave it back to him last night,
was your Rookie of the Year last year. And they're
sitting on about six first round picks over the next
two or three years.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Why again did they not go get the Greek freak?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'm sorry, Like they could win the next five if
he stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, he watching Wemby. You know it's his league. Now,
it's his league, and it's not even close. I drink
Yoha milkshake. Right, that's what that That's what that moment was.
He's hitting fall down three while getting fouled. But but
that that said, man, what.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Were the Mavericks doing.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Why'd you just think you could go ahead and play
without a guard while Kyrie's out at the offense is
going to be tough. I'm I was excited and I
fell for it. This idea, let Cooper Flag be our
point guard, and it's really just whoever bring the ball up.
But it was clear that they they're gonna like sometimes
the offense was just hey, Anthony Davis, you dribble around
(07:02):
and then just shoot an eighteen footer.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't like that. I'm like, that's I don't know,
that's probably not good.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I know, look, that's that's the porous representation of all
of that. And obviously, I mean, I'm I mean it
doesn't matter because we're playing a way different team. Tomorrow,
the Washington Wizards are likely going to be a bottom
three team. I think they have the highest probability of
having the number one pick when they do all these
projections and things, So you don't want to overreact one
(07:30):
way or the other. Tomorrow night, Cooper Flag's gonna look
amazing and no one's gonna be talking about their point
guard play. But it did say something that they went
to an undrafted guy midway through the first quarter with
Ryan Nemhark. He came in and banked in a shot.
I was like, oh no, and he hit a floater.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love that he had the confidence to shoot again
after banking.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So, but last night was I mean, they got their
asses kicked in every possible way. And I get being
down about the to the Mavericks offense we were talking about.
I mean, they just don't have enough shooting and Clay's
got to make every single three he takes, uh or
it gets bad.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And that's the way it was in preseason two.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But for me, like farn I mean, I'm not even
that worried about Cooper Flag or whatever. You know, it's
not that unc I mean, do you guys remember Wimby's
first game when Derrek Lively the second kicked his asshole
up and down the floor.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not worried about Cooper Flag at all. I just
don't want you them to burden him with having to
run the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Well, what I would say is like, it's going to change,
But for me, my biggest My first three takeaways from
last night is it doesn't matter if Wimby's healthy. Yeah,
it's in Oklahoma City, it's got to be going crap.
We had a dynasty. Yeah, oh, well, like they're the
ones that need to be traded for the Greek freak
right now.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But Wemby, it's gonna be tough for seven foot nine
guy to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
But you know, if he's just gonna hit fall away threes,
he never has to go in there anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And then one of the big problems with Cooper Flag
last night or anybody bringing the ball up again, we
read that quote before the game. Those were NBA veterans saying, dude,
you just can't imagine until you see it in real life. Yeah,
and he saw it. They all saw it.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They all saw that the game has changed, the game
has changed.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The witch is melting.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
The league has changed, all right, coming up next, where
are you gonna take us in things?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Skin is tracking well.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Another thing that's changed about the league is widespread gambling
problems before we yep, well, we'll talk about that next
She says that she's starting to fill her age and
says that she will keep moving until she no longer can.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I heard it with Evan with I show, you're gone
bruing it. We except for Simil be pursuing it. Hold
out Shaw shank through the sewer bid Now what chilling
(00:28):
in that the eagle? Yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Three your clocking on the dot.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Got a habit for my house or go? That is
how it's starting, kid Crattit shows that enough multiplied like
a rabbit.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Tune in some out break it up, feed the habit.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Illa to hang out with my friend rocking on her LADYO.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
My your known boys gin.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Talking on her radio.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It's time to do this fons again.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Oh bababy we go, Kati, Christina Skin hold up Happy Thursday, everybody.
This is the dumbest show in America. What does it
say about you that you're listening? Well, you just look
at yourself in your rearview mirror and you decide what
that means.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
This is the world famous Ben and Skin Show. Ben Rogers,
Jeff skin Wade, Kevin kt Turner, and Christina Kray Little
Baby Cornbread Ray from Ooatemeal Pizza and uh man, I
just I love that drop. We never know what dropped.
Christina's going to play at the beginning of the show.
It's always awesome. And I just want to take a
listen to that because Skin laughed in a way that
(01:38):
sounded like someone was killing a witchd it's how you're
melting a witch.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'm melting we kill the witch. The dirty Grandma felled.
I'm gonna pitch.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It does sound like we convinced dirty Grandma to take
the stairs.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
She fell down al flight, so slow motion fall.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
She was falling into a well and then she disappeared
into the darkness and we don't know if sheet. The
crescendo is so amazing. It totally buries the wieze. At
the beginning of it, there's a weave, so she takes
her last breath and then falls down the elevator shaft.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We've been doing show since two thousand and one. I've
never heard that. That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh that was so good. Thank you to that ninety
year old for working out really kind of launched all that.
You know, all right, we got we got a great
show planned for you. Unfortunately, I've got to start to
show off with sadness.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Last night, the Dallas Mavericks played.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Basketball waite spoiler alert.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I have it on my dv R. I'm gonna watch
it later. And it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And uh, I don't know how I had been convinced
to think that you don't even need a point guard anymore.
Just uh, you know, you got a six eight six
nine rookies never played a game of the NBA.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Why not let him be our point guard.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know, he's his first game ever, but just let
him do it. It's it's It reminds me of Ron
Washington and and Moneyball. Just go play first base. It's
not that hard. Is it hard to wash? It's exceptionally hard.
It's incredibly hard.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It didn't. It didn't work out.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And on a night when there was so much excitement
about watching Cooper flag our young phenom, a different young
phenom stole the show. And Wimby is a god. I
think he's seven foot seven with two guard skills. And
if he's gonna play like this, it reminds me of
what Skin was telling me maybe a year or two ago.
(04:04):
This is Wimby's league now, And you were so right, man,
I you know we're talking about things that we fell for.
Like before the season started, I was thinking, Okay, we'll
put the Spurs as a top four team. You know,
as we're starting, I was like, the team that's gonna
fall out of the top four is Minnesota. It's gonna
be Oklahoma City, it's gonna be Denver. And then you
(04:26):
need to go ahead and put san Antonio in there.
And then how is Houston gonna be?
Speaker 5 (04:31):
We don't officially know yet and all that, but if
you look at all the preseason projections from all the experts,
nobody had san Antonio in the top six or seven.
And I was sitting there looking going, man, I guess
I've just over hyped Deer and Fox or something. I
don't know anybody who watched that game last night, League's over. Like,
(04:52):
I don't care if you have Luca, league is over.
If that guy's healthy, nobody beats them. And their second
best player wasn't on the floor last night, Nobody beats them.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Dude, if he's seven five seven six seven seven, even
I mean he he just looks huge.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Like there was a there's this thing going viral. It
was PJ.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Washington falling for a wimby shot, fake uh huh, And
people are like, well, I don't understand. What what did
you think you're gonna do? Even if he shot that,
you weren't gonna get anywhere near it. So don't ever
jump on a shot fake. And he's agile and long,
and so if he starts moving towards the basket, it's
a layup like he is unstoppable. Did you see I'm
(05:34):
I'm sure and I can't remember if it was that?
Was that the play where Anthony Davis fouled him on
the reverse dunk where he never left the ground and
then he and he was doing it to Anthony Davis
all night, who might be the best defensive big in
the world.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I'm just saying that the league is over. If you
raise it, it's gotta be twelve feet. If he's healthy,
the league is over. No nobody stops that.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And the thing is is he's got an All NBA
caliber point guard that's not healthy right now that's going
to be joining him. Stefan Castle, who ate Cooper flags
lunch and then gave it back to him last night,
was your Rookie of the Year last year. And they're
sitting on about six first round picks over the next
two or three years.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Why again did they not go get the Greek freak?
Speaker 5 (06:20):
I'm sorry, Like they could win the next five if
he stays healthy.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, he watching Wemby. You know it's his league. Now,
it's his league, and it's not even close. I drink
Yoha milkshake. Right, that's what that That's what that moment was.
He's hitting fall down three while getting fouled. But but
that that said, man, what.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Were the Mavericks doing.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Why'd you just think you could go ahead and play
without a guard while Kyrie's out at the offense is
going to be tough. I'm I was excited and I
fell for it. This idea, let Cooper Flag be our
point guard, and it's really just whoever bring the ball up.
But it was clear that they they're gonna like sometimes
the offense was just hey, Anthony Davis, you dribble around
(07:02):
and then just shoot an eighteen footer.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I don't like that. I'm like, that's I don't know,
that's probably not good.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I know, look, that's that's the porous representation of all
of that. And obviously, I mean, I'm I mean it
doesn't matter because we're playing a way different team. Tomorrow,
the Washington Wizards are likely going to be a bottom
three team. I think they have the highest probability of
having the number one pick when they do all these
projections and things, So you don't want to overreact one
(07:30):
way or the other. Tomorrow night, Cooper Flag's gonna look
amazing and no one's gonna be talking about their point
guard play. But it did say something that they went
to an undrafted guy midway through the first quarter with
Ryan Nemhark. He came in and banked in a shot.
I was like, oh no, and he hit a floater.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I love that he had the confidence to shoot again
after banking.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
So, but last night was I mean, they got their
asses kicked in every possible way. And I get being
down about the to the Mavericks offense we were talking about.
I mean, they just don't have enough shooting and Clay's
got to make every single three he takes, uh or
it gets bad.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
And that's the way it was in preseason two.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
But for me, like farn I mean, I'm not even
that worried about Cooper Flag or whatever. You know, it's
not that unc I mean, do you guys remember Wimby's
first game when Derrek Lively the second kicked his asshole
up and down the floor.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'm not worried about Cooper Flag at all. I just
don't want you them to burden him with having to
run the offense.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Well, what I would say is like, it's going to change,
But for me, my biggest My first three takeaways from
last night is it doesn't matter if Wimby's healthy. Yeah,
it's in Oklahoma City, it's got to be going crap.
We had a dynasty. Yeah, oh, well, like they're the
ones that need to be traded for the Greek freak
right now.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
But Wemby, it's gonna be tough for seven foot nine
guy to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
But you know, if he's just gonna hit fall away threes,
he never has to go in there anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
And then one of the big problems with Cooper Flag
last night or anybody bringing the ball up again, we
read that quote before the game. Those were NBA veterans saying, dude,
you just can't imagine until you see it in real life. Yeah,
and he saw it. They all saw it.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
They all saw that the game has changed, the game
has changed.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
The witch is melting.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
The league has changed, all right, coming up next, where
are you gonna take us in things?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Skin is tracking well.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Another thing that's changed about the league is widespread gambling
problems before we yep, well, we'll talk about that next
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