June 18, 2025 • 6 mins
What do pirates, Geronimo, and three types of moccasins have in common? Only one man could tie them all together in a single interview—and that man was the legendary Mike Leach.In this unforgettable episode of The Ben and Skin Show, hosts Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray take a hilarious trip down memory lane with a throwback to one of their most iconic interviews ever: the late, great college football coach and eccentric storyteller, Mike Leach.This episode is a masterclass in unscripted brilliance, blending sports, absurdity, and nostalgia in a way only Ben, Skin, KT, and Krystina can deliver. Whether you're a die-hard college football fan or just love a good story, this one will have you laughing out loud and shaking your head in disbelief.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ben and Skin Show ninety one point one, The Egle.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We love giving tickets away, and we got tickets to Pantera.
They're going to be at Doseki's coming up here in
a couple months. We've got tickets to give away. But
we use the iHeart app, the free app. There's a
talkback feature. The first person to leave their name, their
phone number, and their email address and can tell us
the place where I sustained a massive head injury last night.
(00:24):
We were telling the story at the beginning of the show,
I banged my head. Where were we when it happened?
We told the story. If you were listening, you know,
and you can win those Pantera tickets. But right now
it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's time to go into the Bitter Stripule Wiberg Machine
actually going back eleven years this time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
One of our favorite guests on the show of all
these years was legendary college football coach Mike Leach, who
passed away a couple of years ago. Mike Leach not
only was one of the quirk ges head coaches in
college football, he wrote some books on the side. One
was called Swinging My Sword, which is not about his penis.
(01:09):
It's kind of about pirates. But he also wrote a
book about Geronimo. Yes, the legend Geronimo.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This made him so happy. It's like a straight up filibustering.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's a wonderful It's a wonderful book, Geranamo Leadership Strategies
of an American Warrior.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I would like for you guys to read that. You know,
ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I read it when we had him on you know
this he's the press kid, but you guys never got
to It's on my bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Did you read the Pirate book? Because I'm interested. I
didn't get to that one, but we didn't have him
on the press tour for that, but I would have.
It's great.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Uh, you learned so much, including about the three types
of moccasins.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And uh, this is not a lie.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know, I know I've heard this twenty fourteen raving
Mike Lee John and then he went off into.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
This how do you fix some Moxican moccasin when you're
out there in Roman in the pre duct tape era.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you they kind of had their
verse at Duck Tape, but they well they had I
guess you'd say, three major types of moccasins.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They even had a type that had the.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Front toe turned up.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Later in the interview, you.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Have to run ten miles up and down hills across
the desert, and at the end of the run spit
out the mouthful of water. A little bit later, Uh,
Geronimo's history and his live.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, Mike, thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man. We will all be checking out your book on Geronimo.
We love the fact that we got to talk to
you today. Thanks for the time that We'll catch up
with you later. Man, Well, great talking to you anytime.
It's always good to hear from you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
All right, take care, Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
There he goes Mike Leach, the head football coach at
Washington State, with information on his new book about Geronimo.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Coming up next.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Man, John Daniels, I feel like the whole time I
was asking my mom if we could leave the museum,
John Daniels, think about Mike Leach's new book on Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That was good, you know, in twelve minutes or so.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I would say total amount of time that you
guys talked in that interview was about two minutes or
last last maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I was doing a lot of fist pumping though I
was so happy that was on the fan. It's like
he was running four corners. I know, how can I
run out the clock here? It was amazing, and he
went into detail about the three types of moccasins he is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
He is used to pontificating. That's his whole game, his
whole game.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
There's so many articles from the day about his players,
and this kind of happened after he died, just about
how weird the film watching meetings would be. And you
think you're getting some real hard hitting, you know, analysis,
and listen how we fix our quarterback and he's like.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Just throw it to the guy that's open. That's a
coaching I need right there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You look right here, there's a guy open right here
in the flat, and you throw it to him there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And we have to say this story where he put
the kid in the shed, Craig James's son. He put
him in the shed, which I was supported. He was
having concussion setbacks, so he was having some concussion problems.
We learned over the years that the reason this happened
is because Craig James was kind of being a helicopter
parent trying to get his kids some more playing time.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Michael like the leach version of the story.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'll show you yea go to the shed, which you
know not really would not be okay now, but in
you know, twenty twelve or whenever that was happening.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It depends on the comfort level of the shed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They had Mike Leach and Bobby Knight at the same
time at Texas Tech and then somehow let Tuberville come
in and ruin everything and dude dose.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Guys have the same cadence when they talk. Yeah, Like
if you listen to the leech Night cadence, it's very similar.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I find Mike Leach to be more likable than Bobby
Knight by far. God. Yes. And he was so approachable.
He was so great to us.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
We could call him about anything here, We could get
right to him, we didn't have to go to a
pr person. And he would jump on our show every
time we asked.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I can't think of a single person in the
world that's not more likable than Bobby Knight. Like he's
the least likable a hole in the history of existence.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He and that was his like thing, right, my butt's
gonna be up, so kiss my ass.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, he was. He was a jerk to every single
person no matter what, because he felt like he had
earned the right to be.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That was an iconic chair throw though.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was I saw an old lady over there and
she said, Coach Night, I want to have a seat,
So I threw my chair over at her.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's Bob Knight.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's a little uh John Waite in there. Pilgrim all right?
Coming up next. A judge criticizes a man for wearing
this T shirt in court. What was the dude wearing
we'll discuss next.
Ben and Skin Show ninety one point one, The Egle.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
We love giving tickets away, and we got tickets to Pantera.
They're going to be at Doseki's coming up here in
a couple months. We've got tickets to give away. But
we use the iHeart app, the free app. There's a
talkback feature. The first person to leave their name, their
phone number, and their email address and can tell us
the place where I sustained a massive head injury last night.
(00:24):
We were telling the story at the beginning of the show,
I banged my head. Where were we when it happened?
We told the story. If you were listening, you know,
and you can win those Pantera tickets. But right now
it's time for this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's time to go into the Bitter Stripule Wiberg Machine
actually going back eleven years this time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
One of our favorite guests on the show of all
these years was legendary college football coach Mike Leach, who
passed away a couple of years ago. Mike Leach not
only was one of the quirk ges head coaches in
college football, he wrote some books on the side. One
was called Swinging My Sword, which is not about his penis.
(01:09):
It's kind of about pirates. But he also wrote a
book about Geronimo. Yes, the legend Geronimo.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
This made him so happy. It's like a straight up filibustering.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
It's a wonderful It's a wonderful book, Geranamo Leadership Strategies
of an American Warrior.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I would like for you guys to read that. You know,
ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I read it when we had him on you know
this he's the press kid, but you guys never got
to It's on my bookshelf.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Did you read the Pirate book? Because I'm interested. I
didn't get to that one, but we didn't have him
on the press tour for that, but I would have.
It's great.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Uh, you learned so much, including about the three types
of moccasins.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
And uh, this is not a lie.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I know, I know I've heard this twenty fourteen raving
Mike Lee John and then he went off into.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
This how do you fix some Moxican moccasin when you're
out there in Roman in the pre duct tape era.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you they kind of had their
verse at Duck Tape, but they well they had I
guess you'd say, three major types of moccasins.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They even had a type that had the.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Front toe turned up.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Later in the interview, you.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Have to run ten miles up and down hills across
the desert, and at the end of the run spit
out the mouthful of water. A little bit later, Uh,
Geronimo's history and his live.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Well, Mike, thanks for the time.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man. We will all be checking out your book on Geronimo.
We love the fact that we got to talk to
you today. Thanks for the time that We'll catch up
with you later. Man, Well, great talking to you anytime.
It's always good to hear from you guys.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
All right, take care, Mike.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
There he goes Mike Leach, the head football coach at
Washington State, with information on his new book about Geronimo.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Coming up next.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Man, John Daniels, I feel like the whole time I
was asking my mom if we could leave the museum,
John Daniels, think about Mike Leach's new book on Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
That was good, you know, in twelve minutes or so.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And I would say total amount of time that you
guys talked in that interview was about two minutes or
last last maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I was doing a lot of fist pumping though I
was so happy that was on the fan. It's like
he was running four corners. I know, how can I
run out the clock here? It was amazing, and he
went into detail about the three types of moccasins he is.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
He is used to pontificating. That's his whole game, his
whole game.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
There's so many articles from the day about his players,
and this kind of happened after he died, just about
how weird the film watching meetings would be. And you
think you're getting some real hard hitting, you know, analysis,
and listen how we fix our quarterback and he's like.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Just throw it to the guy that's open. That's a
coaching I need right there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
You look right here, there's a guy open right here
in the flat, and you throw it to him there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And we have to say this story where he put
the kid in the shed, Craig James's son. He put
him in the shed, which I was supported. He was
having concussion setbacks, so he was having some concussion problems.
We learned over the years that the reason this happened
is because Craig James was kind of being a helicopter
parent trying to get his kids some more playing time.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Michael like the leach version of the story.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I'll show you yea go to the shed, which you
know not really would not be okay now, but in
you know, twenty twelve or whenever that was happening.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
It depends on the comfort level of the shed.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They had Mike Leach and Bobby Knight at the same
time at Texas Tech and then somehow let Tuberville come
in and ruin everything and dude dose.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Guys have the same cadence when they talk. Yeah, Like
if you listen to the leech Night cadence, it's very similar.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I find Mike Leach to be more likable than Bobby
Knight by far. God. Yes. And he was so approachable.
He was so great to us.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
We could call him about anything here, We could get
right to him, we didn't have to go to a
pr person. And he would jump on our show every
time we asked.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And I can't think of a single person in the
world that's not more likable than Bobby Knight. Like he's
the least likable a hole in the history of existence.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He and that was his like thing, right, my butt's
gonna be up, so kiss my ass.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, he was. He was a jerk to every single
person no matter what, because he felt like he had
earned the right to be.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
That was an iconic chair throw though.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was I saw an old lady over there and
she said, Coach Night, I want to have a seat,
So I threw my chair over at her.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
That's Bob Knight.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
There's a little uh John Waite in there. Pilgrim all right?
Coming up next. A judge criticizes a man for wearing
this T shirt in court. What was the dude wearing
we'll discuss next.
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