June 26, 2025 • 19 mins
"Can one draft pick erase the pain of a franchise-altering trade?"In this unforgettable episode of The Ben and Skin Show, Ben Rogers, Jeff “Skin” Wade, Kevin “KT” Turner, and Krystina Ray broadcast live from the heart of the action at the American Airlines Center on one of the most monumental nights in Dallas Mavericks history. The Mavs hold the #1 pick in the NBA Draft, and the city is buzzing with anticipation, emotion, and a whole lot of hope.From the ashes of the Luka Doncic trade rises a new era—Cooper Flagg, the generational phenom who’s been the consensus #1 pick since high school, is about to become a Maverick. The crew dives deep into the emotional weight of the moment, the miraculous luck of the draft lottery, and the ripple effects this pick will have on the franchise, the fanbase, and even the city’s economy.Max Rogers steals the show with a sharper scouting report than Skin himself: “Cooper Flagg just dominates. That’s the best way to put it.”“Skin is nothing if not replaceable.” — KT, after Max’s flawless analysis.“He cries during and after sex. It’s his signature move.” — KT, roasting Skin with peak absurdity.“Mavs Man needs a DNA test.” — KT, launching a hilarious takedown of the new mascot design.This episode is more than just sports talk—it’s a celebration, a therapy session, and a comedy show all rolled into one. Whether you’re a die-hard Mavs fan or just love great storytelling, this is the episode that captures the soul of a city on the brink of a basketball renaissance.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And closer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A big day in the history of Dallas Fort Worth
as the Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick in
the NBA Draft. And it's all happening tonight right here
on ninety seven point one The Eagle, the Home of
mass Basketball.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
You haven't heard Skin with us in a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look, look, guys, you can see Skin's getting his TV
makeup down there.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He is getting makeup on. Look at getting make up
right there? So difficult.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
He's demanding some really hot pink lipstick.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
What's so happy?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So happy down there? She's getting home made up. That
voice is Max Rogers. My son is here with us,
hanging out with us. She's on the live mic hanging
out and Christina and Kat and myself. But we're looking
at Skins getting his makeup on. He's gonna be on
the TV simulcast tonight. We'll have that same TV simual
cast right here. On ninety seven point one the Eagle.
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But this is a big deal. This doesn't happen very often.
And if you think about it, for a city that
was devastated, devastated by the Luca trade, a fully self
inflicted wound.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It didn't have to happen. You didn't have to trade Luca.
They traded Luca and did.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not get a fair return back for the trade, and
then didn't even have.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
To wait a year. The very next.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Offseason, they somehow lucked out and got the number one
pick in the NBA draft. And not in a draft
where it doesn't matter. Sometimes you get the number one
pick and there's like, oh, it could be an even
number of these five guys. No, they got the number
one pick. When a guy's coming out that is heralded
as an absolute phenom, sports god, a guy who can
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impact you, know, your your your franchise for the next
fifteen seasons. A guy who's an absolute cold blooded killer
who will dunk on your soul and plays both ways,
plays defense, plays offense. Like he's a sophomore and high
school and they're like, he's gonna he's the number one
prospect of the country. Then he's a junior he's still
the number one. Then he's a senior, still the number one.
(02:06):
Then he goes to college plays here he's still the
number one prospect on the planet. And the Mavericks lucked
into that on the heels of shooting themselves in the
Foot and Luca trade.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You can't make this stuff up. It's so unreal.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The basketball gods love us so much. I guess they
just felt bad for us.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Right, they saw the fans just like, you know that
that feeling. But like for it to be this year too,
Like it makes a difference because, uh, I don't know.
I don't think the casual, average Joe or the average
Kevin me would know number one pick in last year's drafting.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh that is it.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
He was just some guy from France, Max Zachary.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I believe, yeah, Max would know, you know, Like that's
like I followed the league fairly closely.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
But it was it was a whatever draft, right, Like, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Knew winby a couple of years ago. That's a name.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
We knew Anthony Edwards a few years ago, but like
this is this is different and I just don't I
don't think a lot of people have seen him play.
I mean, college people are watching college basketball. They used
to like, you really love sports, you have, but he casual.
People haven't seen this dude play.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But he's a guy.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And dude, since Skin's not here and my son Max
Rodgers here, give us a scanning report Max on Cooper
Flag as a player.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Cooper Flag is, I mean, it's one of those guys
who you just watching the game coming in you don't
really know who's good, who's bad, who's the star player?
You will know that he's the star player on a
team that happened to do Duke is full of five stars,
are full of big time players. He could have win, Like, oh,
this guy's a great recruit. This guy's a great recruit.
Cooper Flag is just a dominating player. That's the best
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way to put it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Just he just dominates.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I think you're better than Skin.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I mean, let's know, yeah, Skin is nothing if not replaceable.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think we're but in time.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So we're at the American Airline Center again, thank you,
k Post and fans are now filing in. Doors open
a few minutes ago, and there's gonna be a lot
of people here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The thinking there anywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Between eight and ten thousand MAP fans coming down here
today to be to be here to watch all of
this happen. Are piling they are piling in, and you know,
I think it's gonna be a cathartic healing situation. The
minute Cooper Flag's name is announced, this crowd is going
to lose their minds. And I think it's gonna go
a long way to helping putting the trade behind for
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you know, for a.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Lot of fans.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm already we don't know the schedule for next year, right,
do we know their first game yet? Okay, because that's
all I can think about already. I'm like, when's the
first MAVs game? When will we get to see him
play with everyone?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
That's great?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
This is great, all right there, it's a real party.
This is great.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's a party now there.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
They're making announcements here and letting fans know what's gonna
be going on. And we're telling you the fans are
set up on one side of the state and they're
looking at a huge stage at center court and it's
our boys skin right there with Followell and Ted Emrick
and they're going to be holding down your coverage night
and laying him down there? Man, why is he standing
he's standing up, he's kind of putting his pants right
(05:15):
in Followell's face.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Surely appropriate and as we're used to him violating.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
HR regulations, he's kind of doing a Captain Morgan like
lifting one leg up on follow Well there, But man,
this is such a special day. So what's a special
night for Dallas Fort worth it? You know, we were
talking about how rare this is. Mark McGuire nineteen eighty one,
Troy Iigman nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Page buckets more recently for the Dallas Wings, But in
my history of being a fan of local sports, I mean,
this has just really happened twice prior to page Buckets,
and you know each time it delivered. My Mark McGuire
was a phenomenal player for the Mavericks. Yeah, led the
league in scoring, I believe, or flirted with it many
many years. And then Trougman brought three Super Bowls to
the Cowboys. But man, listening to Ted Emert get us
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excited about that got me.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Felt, uh yeah, And we're ten feet away from CBS
Sports is Avery Johnson, former Dallas Mavericks coach, played in
the league for a long time for the Spurs, was
the head coach at Alabama for a while, and he
just kind of from where we're at up here on
this dock in section one oh one, looking down and
he goes, this is pretty cool, man, I'm glad they're
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doing that. And he seems like, yeah, pumped about this.
That was kind of neat. Well we lived it, but like,
you know, this is pretty excitement.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And you know they've had small draft parties before when
you got the twelve pick or something.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Dude, you know, just you know.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You know, when they got Derek Lively. I was at
the Echo Lounge when that happened, and it was like, Okay,
this is great, kind of celebrated, but let me nothing
like this. Non't mean nothing like this.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
This is uh, this is like having Zion or Anthony
Davis as your draft pick, or some guy that the
whole world says this is for sure the number one
player and then everyone else is behind him. The MAVs
are getting that guy.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So there's a big article that dropped yesterday from ESPN's
Baxter Holmes is his name, and it's kind of about
the family and what they've been going through through all
this and what happened on the night of the draft lottery,
because we'll podcast all the segments later.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You can get him on the.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
iHeart app But earlier were talking about where we all
were when we found out that the Maverick are getting
the number one pick. Well, they were at the draft lottery,
and before they went, they got in their hotel room,
his mom, his dad, and his twin brother, Ace.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And Ace Flag. Great name, Oh are you a spy?
Good name?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I'm Ace Flag, And they talked about, Okay, let's talk
about the three teams that is probably gonna be because
that's what the probability said, it's gonna be the Washington Wizards,
the Utah Jazz are the Charlotte Hornets, And they talked
about all the pros. Washington is real close to Maine.
Charlotte East Coast, real close to Maine. Wouldn't be a
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hard time to you could at your time in Washingt
dinner Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It talked about the Jazz.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
They apparently were big Boston Celtics fans growing up, so
they knew Danny Ainge, right, So there there's the But
they also talked about the negatives and the negatives of
each of those situations. Is those are losers not It's
not hell like they said, but those are teams who
have lost for a long time. And Cooper Flagg has
never lost. He only wins. So to go here, they
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had never thought it one time. They never thought it
could happen, and for him to end up here, they
were like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And they were as happy as we were because.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
They knew Kyrie Irving plays here, Anthony Davis plays here.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I guarantee you who knows Derek Lively, Derek two.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Years ago from Dukes Klay Thompson, forget Thompson, and it's
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Look, it's there's so many wounds here because of the
Luca trade. But you know, Skin was talking about that
Houston game where everybody was healthy for half before Anythony
Davis got hurt and.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The MAVs looked good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, you couldn't understand them getting that much older
and taking another injury prone player. And we were still
broken hearted over Luca, but you could see the way
they were playing and contesting every shot, playing with his
defense first mentality, and you were like, okay, okay, we're
gonna be pretty good. Obviously Ad got hurt then and
it screwed everything up. But you can understand, you know
what they're trying to do, why they're trying to build
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the team that way. They're gonna be really, really good.
And typically the team that ends up with one of
the top picks is gonna be a team that is
losing every single night. And if Kyrie hadn't have gotten hurt,
the Mavericks would have been in the playoffs. They would
have been a playoff team with Kyrie. And so I
understand people are like a conspiracy, but for this to
be a conspiracy, Kyrie Irving would have had to fake
(09:47):
a knee injury because if he hadn't gotten hurt, they
would have been in the playoffs, they wouldn't have had
a chance to have the number one pick.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It goes back to this thing I asked Skin said
it before, is like I need someone who really believes
this to walk me through these specific mechanisms in place
to rig it, Like tell me specifically how this happens.
It's not just a ping pong ball out of out
of the thing like people think it is. There's combinations
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to it and things like that, Like it's a way
deeper thing. And every time you ask someone like, who
does think it's a conspiracy, And you ask them that question,
they don't have an answer, and that tells you it's
not a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's just not The map's got lucky, dude.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
This Nikola Harrison's ass was saved, Like, just be really
clear about that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was saved.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, And I'm sure they all know that. And it's
fine because it's okay. Like you just never know what's
gonna happen in life. And we got lucky. And we'd
never gotten lucky though in the NBA draft lottery, the
Dennis Smith junior year years.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And the nineties, and they're so bad.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
We've never gotten lucky in the draft lottery, So maybe
it was just our time. I know that I'm walking
on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I know, but right now we are walking on such
a ye.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's the song that's playing here at the American Airline
Center Inflatable.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Champ is here inflatable MAVs man.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
There's seventy four cameramen right now pointing cameras at skin.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Look at all the cameraman over there.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
It looks like we're going to war down there. Those
are like a bunch of cannon does.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Look like a firing line looking at those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, man, this is gonna be a good place to
hang out tonight. You'll be able to hear all the
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Speaker 5 (11:32):
I have to do it make a complaint about the
Dallas Mavericks organization though. Yeah. Get you a look out there, Ben,
there's new MAVs man. Okay, man, this is just not
the MAVs man that we all grow to no one loves,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's he's now.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Blue and you know, a MAVs man is a walking
human basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's lucky in the DNA test did they.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Probably scare too many kids and that's why they had
to change it to a more friendly Marvel version.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah all right, Oh, the new Marvel is supposed to
be I heard its nuts there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I can't wait to go see that. All right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Kat's taking shots at mascots.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And I'm here for it. I can't argue with you
on that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That's it's a weak spot of our city. You know,
we don't have a single mascot in the Mascot Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's really discouraging.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Look down at the court, there's Chuck Cooperstein, the voice
of Dallas Mavericks basketball down there.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, Ben, you're gonna like this.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So in this article when they got Cooper Flag, a
Mavericks team source said, we surprisingly renewed seventy five to
eighty percent of our season tickets.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They said that in the quote surprisingly.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Dude, he's yeah, he's saving so much.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
The quote said, we had a lot of work to
do in earning back the confidence and fandom. We sold
eight million in new season tickets into three days after
the lottery.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Eight million. Wow. That is so lucky. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And it's and it's gonna happen even more and more
and more.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I mean, excitement is back from a team that
was again shot themselves in.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The foot with the trade.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's it's the one of the most miraculous bailouts ever.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It makes no sense. Is this real life?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Didn't Skin say he like cried when you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Fo and and and I get it and uh he
did say that, Christine.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And he also cries during and after sex.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right immediately after. That's just he's proud. He tells everyone
that it's a signature move.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But no, he he. You know, I know this from
being around Skin.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Skin works for the Dallas Mavericks, being around him, other
people that work in the Mavericks, whether they're in sales
and marketing, promotions or anybody affility with the organization wore
that trade. Yeah, Like, every single person who had any
job for the Mavericks wore that Luca trade. Everywhere they
went in the world. They got pooped on by everyone going,
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what are you y' all thinking? Yeah, and it's wasn't
their decision, but they had to wear it. And it
was just this plague of depression and sadness that was
following everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And Skin and I were doing a MAVs podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah you are too dolling.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So we're going up to the MAVs studio Studio forty one.
You me, Skinned going up there doing MAVs content. It
was hard to do because we're trying to put a
good face on everything, but we're all devastated. And so
for the weight of all that to be warned by
all these employees, the minute you got the number one pick,
you lucked into it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Suddenly that weight was lifted and hope was restored.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, I know, like selfishly to make it about me.
I don't like the man I looked at the comment
section too much. But like when we were doing that
show Roundball Talk on maps Doar forty one, you come
up with something that you think is funny and you
think might be good, and then you just go to
look at the comments are all fire ego and you're like,
oh my god, no one's even watching what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They're just saying, Matt I mean things and I'm not.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
The one who had to post the video, like they're
a whole team of people well you know, And it
was like that was really discouraging to think you're doing
something that's like, oh, I don't think you were watching it.
They're just checking in to say bad things about the team. Yeah,
because they were mad, and it's okay to be mad.
It's absolutely okay to be mad, but that's still take
it too far.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That's another reason I'm excited for this pick. That's why
I brought it back up because I totally forgot he
had said that, like, we can be excited for our
friends who work for this organization again because now they
can be excited to go back to work and actually
be excited to do, you know, talk about him?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Would you say that American Airlines is the Mavericks' biggest
sponsorship deal?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What do you think I would assume? So, I mean
because the American Airlines Center. But it's kind of a
deal for both the Stars and the Mavericks, right.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So yeah, in that article, the mav source who said
all that stuff that sus tickets said, we have also
done two additional new sponsor deals, won the second largest.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
In our history.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Wow, just by getting lucky on lottery night, right, because
now it's dude, it helps us as the Eagle. I mean,
we're the whole man basketball. You trade Luca and everybody's hurt,
and you can't even you barely have seven active players,
and you're just like, oh my god, this is miserable.
Please just lose every game. And they're still fighting, scrapping,
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clawing and somehow winning games. It's like that would have
been a death march if you have the number twelve
pick in this draft.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But you don't. You have the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So the you know, the radio ratings for the MAVs
games are going to be significantly higher, the interest.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
In them as a team, and again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's the number one pick and a year where the
number one pick matters coming to a contending team that
probably shouldn't even have been in the lottery to begin with.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, let me say to you, if you're like a listener,
heard the show today and you're like, I need my rock.
Christina will have rock music for you at nine o'clock tonight.
But the draft simulcast that's gonna happen right here and
on KFAA. I would stay tuned to that because you know,
the Maverks could not only after the draft Cooper Flag
couldn't getting them and try to get someone in the
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back half of the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So you know, watch that.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I mean, the draft is now broken up into two nights,
around one to night, Round two tomorrow night, and it's
always fun to hear skinning those guys and Ted ever
can follow though, and when all that's going down and
there's action happening on Twitter and things like that, and
find out that was gonna make a trade and maybe
get another player to night too, and you're gonna be like,
you're gonna want another that you would listening.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
To that line, right.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
There's been some talk that they were trade back into
the first round.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
My son Max is here. Max, who's the guy they
were talking about them trading of his teammate at.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Duke Tyres Proctor, who was a five star a couple
of years ago, top prospect out of high school. He
was ranked twelfth on the nation or something. Okay, he
was supposed to come out last year. Decided to say
one more year to play with Flag. He's saved one
more year to stay and play with him. He's a
good combo guard. He's not gonna be an elite playmaker,
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but he shoots at three well and he's gonna be
a really good defender.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He's a good prospect and.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He's from Australia.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Mate. Oh okay, mate, throw another trip at the barbie man.
I just Max was more succinct than Skin got to it.
Oh my God, quickly wrapped it up. He was knowledgeable, believable.
Sometimes Skin's not believable. Skin On Tyre's Proctor.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
That scouting report would have taken us past our heart out,
his heart on would have taken us fast heart out.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
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Speaker 6 (18:29):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
You have to think I heard yeah, thank them. I
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Speaker 5 (18:33):
If you're coming out to the draft party, I know
we have some BFD shirts.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
To give away.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Oh yeah, she did say the first four people, which
I'm sure those are already.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
All right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
If you uh coming out to the draft party, come
find us. The Eagle is set up here and our
promo crews here. And look at the break dancers out
there getting skin packed up.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Also, it's much better to see them dancing to music
than just.
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Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I just like to thank again our friends at
iHeart for having us out tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And appreciate being here. All right, here we go, Dallas,
Sport Worth. It's a big night in your history.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Coming up next the NBA Draft and the MAVs have
the number one pick.
And closer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A big day in the history of Dallas Fort Worth
as the Dallas Mavericks have the number one pick in
the NBA Draft. And it's all happening tonight right here
on ninety seven point one The Eagle, the Home of
mass Basketball.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
You haven't heard Skin with us in a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Look, look, guys, you can see Skin's getting his TV
makeup down there.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
He is getting makeup on. Look at getting make up
right there? So difficult.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
He's demanding some really hot pink lipstick.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
What's so happy?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So happy down there? She's getting home made up. That
voice is Max Rogers. My son is here with us,
hanging out with us. She's on the live mic hanging
out and Christina and Kat and myself. But we're looking
at Skins getting his makeup on. He's gonna be on
the TV simulcast tonight. We'll have that same TV simual
cast right here. On ninety seven point one the Eagle.
(01:01):
But this is a big deal. This doesn't happen very often.
And if you think about it, for a city that
was devastated, devastated by the Luca trade, a fully self
inflicted wound.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It didn't have to happen. You didn't have to trade Luca.
They traded Luca and did.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Not get a fair return back for the trade, and
then didn't even have.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
To wait a year. The very next.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Offseason, they somehow lucked out and got the number one
pick in the NBA draft. And not in a draft
where it doesn't matter. Sometimes you get the number one
pick and there's like, oh, it could be an even
number of these five guys. No, they got the number
one pick. When a guy's coming out that is heralded
as an absolute phenom, sports god, a guy who can
(01:46):
impact you, know, your your your franchise for the next
fifteen seasons. A guy who's an absolute cold blooded killer
who will dunk on your soul and plays both ways,
plays defense, plays offense. Like he's a sophomore and high
school and they're like, he's gonna he's the number one
prospect of the country. Then he's a junior he's still
the number one. Then he's a senior, still the number one.
(02:06):
Then he goes to college plays here he's still the
number one prospect on the planet. And the Mavericks lucked
into that on the heels of shooting themselves in the
Foot and Luca trade.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
You can't make this stuff up. It's so unreal.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
The basketball gods love us so much. I guess they
just felt bad for us.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Right, they saw the fans just like, you know that
that feeling. But like for it to be this year too,
Like it makes a difference because, uh, I don't know.
I don't think the casual, average Joe or the average
Kevin me would know number one pick in last year's drafting.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh that is it.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
He was just some guy from France, Max Zachary.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
I believe, yeah, Max would know, you know, Like that's
like I followed the league fairly closely.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
But it was it was a whatever draft, right, Like, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Knew winby a couple of years ago. That's a name.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
We knew Anthony Edwards a few years ago, but like
this is this is different and I just don't I
don't think a lot of people have seen him play.
I mean, college people are watching college basketball. They used
to like, you really love sports, you have, but he casual.
People haven't seen this dude play.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But he's a guy.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
And dude, since Skin's not here and my son Max
Rodgers here, give us a scanning report Max on Cooper
Flag as a player.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Cooper Flag is, I mean, it's one of those guys
who you just watching the game coming in you don't
really know who's good, who's bad, who's the star player?
You will know that he's the star player on a
team that happened to do Duke is full of five stars,
are full of big time players. He could have win, Like, oh,
this guy's a great recruit. This guy's a great recruit.
Cooper Flag is just a dominating player. That's the best
(03:47):
way to put it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Just he just dominates.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I think you're better than Skin.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I mean, let's know, yeah, Skin is nothing if not replaceable.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I think we're but in time.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
So we're at the American Airline Center again, thank you,
k Post and fans are now filing in. Doors open
a few minutes ago, and there's gonna be a lot
of people here.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
The thinking there anywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Between eight and ten thousand MAP fans coming down here
today to be to be here to watch all of
this happen. Are piling they are piling in, and you know,
I think it's gonna be a cathartic healing situation. The
minute Cooper Flag's name is announced, this crowd is going
to lose their minds. And I think it's gonna go
a long way to helping putting the trade behind for
(04:34):
you know, for a.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Lot of fans.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm already we don't know the schedule for next year, right,
do we know their first game yet? Okay, because that's
all I can think about already. I'm like, when's the
first MAVs game? When will we get to see him
play with everyone?
Speaker 6 (04:47):
That's great?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
This is great, all right there, it's a real party.
This is great.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's a party now there.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
They're making announcements here and letting fans know what's gonna
be going on. And we're telling you the fans are
set up on one side of the state and they're
looking at a huge stage at center court and it's
our boys skin right there with Followell and Ted Emrick
and they're going to be holding down your coverage night
and laying him down there? Man, why is he standing
he's standing up, he's kind of putting his pants right
(05:15):
in Followell's face.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Surely appropriate and as we're used to him violating.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
HR regulations, he's kind of doing a Captain Morgan like
lifting one leg up on follow Well there, But man,
this is such a special day. So what's a special
night for Dallas Fort worth it? You know, we were
talking about how rare this is. Mark McGuire nineteen eighty one,
Troy Iigman nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Maybe you know.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Page buckets more recently for the Dallas Wings, But in
my history of being a fan of local sports, I mean,
this has just really happened twice prior to page Buckets,
and you know each time it delivered. My Mark McGuire
was a phenomenal player for the Mavericks. Yeah, led the
league in scoring, I believe, or flirted with it many
many years. And then Trougman brought three Super Bowls to
the Cowboys. But man, listening to Ted Emert get us
(06:01):
excited about that got me.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Felt, uh yeah, And we're ten feet away from CBS
Sports is Avery Johnson, former Dallas Mavericks coach, played in
the league for a long time for the Spurs, was
the head coach at Alabama for a while, and he
just kind of from where we're at up here on
this dock in section one oh one, looking down and
he goes, this is pretty cool, man, I'm glad they're
(06:23):
doing that. And he seems like, yeah, pumped about this.
That was kind of neat. Well we lived it, but like,
you know, this is pretty excitement.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
And you know they've had small draft parties before when
you got the twelve pick or something.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Dude, you know, just you know.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
You know, when they got Derek Lively. I was at
the Echo Lounge when that happened, and it was like, Okay,
this is great, kind of celebrated, but let me nothing
like this. Non't mean nothing like this.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
This is uh, this is like having Zion or Anthony
Davis as your draft pick, or some guy that the
whole world says this is for sure the number one
player and then everyone else is behind him. The MAVs
are getting that guy.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So there's a big article that dropped yesterday from ESPN's
Baxter Holmes is his name, and it's kind of about
the family and what they've been going through through all
this and what happened on the night of the draft lottery,
because we'll podcast all the segments later.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You can get him on the.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
iHeart app But earlier were talking about where we all
were when we found out that the Maverick are getting
the number one pick. Well, they were at the draft lottery,
and before they went, they got in their hotel room,
his mom, his dad, and his twin brother, Ace.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
And Ace Flag. Great name, Oh are you a spy?
Good name?
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I'm Ace Flag, And they talked about, Okay, let's talk
about the three teams that is probably gonna be because
that's what the probability said, it's gonna be the Washington Wizards,
the Utah Jazz are the Charlotte Hornets, And they talked
about all the pros. Washington is real close to Maine.
Charlotte East Coast, real close to Maine. Wouldn't be a
(07:58):
hard time to you could at your time in Washingt
dinner Charlotte.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
It talked about the Jazz.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
They apparently were big Boston Celtics fans growing up, so
they knew Danny Ainge, right, So there there's the But
they also talked about the negatives and the negatives of
each of those situations. Is those are losers not It's
not hell like they said, but those are teams who
have lost for a long time. And Cooper Flagg has
never lost. He only wins. So to go here, they
(08:28):
had never thought it one time. They never thought it
could happen, and for him to end up here, they
were like, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
And they were as happy as we were because.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
They knew Kyrie Irving plays here, Anthony Davis plays here.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I guarantee you who knows Derek Lively, Derek two.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Years ago from Dukes Klay Thompson, forget Thompson, and it's
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Look, it's there's so many wounds here because of the
Luca trade. But you know, Skin was talking about that
Houston game where everybody was healthy for half before Anythony
Davis got hurt and.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The MAVs looked good.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, you couldn't understand them getting that much older
and taking another injury prone player. And we were still
broken hearted over Luca, but you could see the way
they were playing and contesting every shot, playing with his
defense first mentality, and you were like, okay, okay, we're
gonna be pretty good. Obviously Ad got hurt then and
it screwed everything up. But you can understand, you know
what they're trying to do, why they're trying to build
(09:25):
the team that way. They're gonna be really, really good.
And typically the team that ends up with one of
the top picks is gonna be a team that is
losing every single night. And if Kyrie hadn't have gotten hurt,
the Mavericks would have been in the playoffs. They would
have been a playoff team with Kyrie. And so I
understand people are like a conspiracy, but for this to
be a conspiracy, Kyrie Irving would have had to fake
(09:47):
a knee injury because if he hadn't gotten hurt, they
would have been in the playoffs, they wouldn't have had
a chance to have the number one pick.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
It goes back to this thing I asked Skin said
it before, is like I need someone who really believes
this to walk me through these specific mechanisms in place
to rig it, Like tell me specifically how this happens.
It's not just a ping pong ball out of out
of the thing like people think it is. There's combinations
(10:13):
to it and things like that, Like it's a way
deeper thing. And every time you ask someone like, who
does think it's a conspiracy, And you ask them that question,
they don't have an answer, and that tells you it's
not a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It's just not The map's got lucky, dude.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
This Nikola Harrison's ass was saved, Like, just be really
clear about that.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was saved.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Yeah, And I'm sure they all know that. And it's
fine because it's okay. Like you just never know what's
gonna happen in life. And we got lucky. And we'd
never gotten lucky though in the NBA draft lottery, the
Dennis Smith junior year years.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And the nineties, and they're so bad.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
We've never gotten lucky in the draft lottery, So maybe
it was just our time. I know that I'm walking
on sunshine.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I know, but right now we are walking on such
a ye.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's the song that's playing here at the American Airline
Center Inflatable.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Champ is here inflatable MAVs man.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Look at that.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
There's seventy four cameramen right now pointing cameras at skin.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Look at all the cameraman over there.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
It looks like we're going to war down there. Those
are like a bunch of cannon does.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Look like a firing line looking at those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, man, this is gonna be a good place to
hang out tonight. You'll be able to hear all the
coverage the MAVs Draft Party twenty five. Again our our presentation,
brought to you by k Post Company.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I have to do it make a complaint about the
Dallas Mavericks organization though. Yeah. Get you a look out there, Ben,
there's new MAVs man. Okay, man, this is just not
the MAVs man that we all grow to no one loves,
you know.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's he's now.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Blue and you know, a MAVs man is a walking
human basketball.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's lucky in the DNA test did they.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Probably scare too many kids and that's why they had
to change it to a more friendly Marvel version.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah all right, Oh, the new Marvel is supposed to
be I heard its nuts there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I can't wait to go see that. All right.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Kat's taking shots at mascots.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
And I'm here for it. I can't argue with you
on that.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
That's it's a weak spot of our city. You know,
we don't have a single mascot in the Mascot Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's really discouraging.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Look down at the court, there's Chuck Cooperstein, the voice
of Dallas Mavericks basketball down there.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Oh, Ben, you're gonna like this.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
So in this article when they got Cooper Flag, a
Mavericks team source said, we surprisingly renewed seventy five to
eighty percent of our season tickets.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They said that in the quote surprisingly.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Dude, he's yeah, he's saving so much.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
The quote said, we had a lot of work to
do in earning back the confidence and fandom. We sold
eight million in new season tickets into three days after
the lottery.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Eight million. Wow. That is so lucky. Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And it's and it's gonna happen even more and more
and more.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, I mean, excitement is back from a team that
was again shot themselves in.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
The foot with the trade.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's it's the one of the most miraculous bailouts ever.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
It makes no sense. Is this real life?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Didn't Skin say he like cried when you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Fo and and and I get it and uh he
did say that, Christine.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
And he also cries during and after sex.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right immediately after. That's just he's proud. He tells everyone
that it's a signature move.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
But no, he he. You know, I know this from
being around Skin.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Skin works for the Dallas Mavericks, being around him, other
people that work in the Mavericks, whether they're in sales
and marketing, promotions or anybody affility with the organization wore
that trade. Yeah, Like, every single person who had any
job for the Mavericks wore that Luca trade. Everywhere they
went in the world. They got pooped on by everyone going,
(13:59):
what are you y' all thinking? Yeah, and it's wasn't
their decision, but they had to wear it. And it
was just this plague of depression and sadness that was
following everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
And Skin and I were doing a MAVs podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah you are too dolling.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
So we're going up to the MAVs studio Studio forty one.
You me, Skinned going up there doing MAVs content. It
was hard to do because we're trying to put a
good face on everything, but we're all devastated. And so
for the weight of all that to be warned by
all these employees, the minute you got the number one pick,
you lucked into it.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Suddenly that weight was lifted and hope was restored.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, I know, like selfishly to make it about me.
I don't like the man I looked at the comment
section too much. But like when we were doing that
show Roundball Talk on maps Doar forty one, you come
up with something that you think is funny and you
think might be good, and then you just go to
look at the comments are all fire ego and you're like,
oh my god, no one's even watching what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
They're just saying, Matt I mean things and I'm not.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
The one who had to post the video, like they're
a whole team of people well you know, And it
was like that was really discouraging to think you're doing
something that's like, oh, I don't think you were watching it.
They're just checking in to say bad things about the team. Yeah,
because they were mad, and it's okay to be mad.
It's absolutely okay to be mad, but that's still take
it too far.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That's another reason I'm excited for this pick. That's why
I brought it back up because I totally forgot he
had said that, like, we can be excited for our
friends who work for this organization again because now they
can be excited to go back to work and actually
be excited to do, you know, talk about him?
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Would you say that American Airlines is the Mavericks' biggest
sponsorship deal?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
What do you think I would assume? So, I mean
because the American Airlines Center. But it's kind of a
deal for both the Stars and the Mavericks, right.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
So yeah, in that article, the mav source who said
all that stuff that sus tickets said, we have also
done two additional new sponsor deals, won the second largest.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
In our history.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Wow, just by getting lucky on lottery night, right, because
now it's dude, it helps us as the Eagle. I mean,
we're the whole man basketball. You trade Luca and everybody's hurt,
and you can't even you barely have seven active players,
and you're just like, oh my god, this is miserable.
Please just lose every game. And they're still fighting, scrapping,
(16:14):
clawing and somehow winning games. It's like that would have
been a death march if you have the number twelve
pick in this draft.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But you don't. You have the number one pick.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So the you know, the radio ratings for the MAVs
games are going to be significantly higher, the interest.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
In them as a team, and again.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's the number one pick and a year where the
number one pick matters coming to a contending team that
probably shouldn't even have been in the lottery to begin with.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, let me say to you, if you're like a listener,
heard the show today and you're like, I need my rock.
Christina will have rock music for you at nine o'clock tonight.
But the draft simulcast that's gonna happen right here and
on KFAA. I would stay tuned to that because you know,
the Maverks could not only after the draft Cooper Flag
couldn't getting them and try to get someone in the
(17:01):
back half of the first round.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
So you know, watch that.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
I mean, the draft is now broken up into two nights,
around one to night, Round two tomorrow night, and it's
always fun to hear skinning those guys and Ted ever
can follow though, and when all that's going down and
there's action happening on Twitter and things like that, and
find out that was gonna make a trade and maybe
get another player to night too, and you're gonna be like,
you're gonna want another that you would listening.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
To that line, right.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
There's been some talk that they were trade back into
the first round.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
My son Max is here. Max, who's the guy they
were talking about them trading of his teammate at.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
Duke Tyres Proctor, who was a five star a couple
of years ago, top prospect out of high school. He
was ranked twelfth on the nation or something. Okay, he
was supposed to come out last year. Decided to say
one more year to play with Flag. He's saved one
more year to stay and play with him. He's a
good combo guard. He's not gonna be an elite playmaker,
(17:51):
but he shoots at three well and he's gonna be
a really good defender.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
He's a good prospect and.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
He's from Australia.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Mate. Oh okay, mate, throw another trip at the barbie man.
I just Max was more succinct than Skin got to it.
Oh my God, quickly wrapped it up. He was knowledgeable, believable.
Sometimes Skin's not believable. Skin On Tyre's Proctor.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
That scouting report would have taken us past our heart out,
his heart on would have taken us fast heart out.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, heart on, sure heart Yeah, I heeart And we
have to thank our friends at iHeart for having us
out there.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
You have to think I heard yeah, thank them. I
don't even think I Heart.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
If you're coming out to the draft party, I know
we have some BFD shirts.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
To give away.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Oh yeah, she did say the first four people, which
I'm sure those are already.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
All right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
If you uh coming out to the draft party, come
find us. The Eagle is set up here and our
promo crews here. And look at the break dancers out
there getting skin packed up.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Also, it's much better to see them dancing to music
than just.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And since we have about twenty three seconds that I'll
also say if you're a new first time listener, we're
on three to six every weekday, so make sure you
tune on you you listen to us also from home
on the free iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I just like to thank again our friends at
iHeart for having us out tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And appreciate being here. All right, here we go, Dallas,
Sport Worth. It's a big night in your history.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Coming up next the NBA Draft and the MAVs have
the number one pick.
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